[PC/PS/Xbox] RPG games

[Squall]

Anyone here love RPGs??
RPG is role playing game by the way :wink2:

Now i am playing Shadow Hearts: Covenant and Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
Will be getting The Lord of the Rings: The Third Age soon
all are RPG..
i love RPG game..

let talk about all Rpg game in this thread

[kasic_fantasy]

cool thread!!! i like role playing games...i think its very cool...compare to other normal games....i like those adventure games....i've played lord of the rings usng xbox and it was really cool....wish i can play again....

wow those game you mentioned sounds cool...care to share those games?

[JianDan[Ai]]

Ive been out of it for too long. I don't have much time, nor energy, nor interest to play games anymore...hahaha (that just means I dont play as much as I use to)

Rpgs are seriously my favorite genre of games however. Maybe its just cuz I dont have very much skill to play games like mgs or that those things just bore me since its based more on skill than say leveling up. My favorite RPG's include the FF series (more specifically 6,7,10), Legend of Dragoon (back in the PS1 days), Chrono Trigger..and for some reason now i cant think of any others. The only RPG's that I didnt really like was Chrono Cross. I just found the magic system and the level up system really annoying. =/ I even thought the Orginal Super Mario RPG was better than that...haha ^^;;

[eiko]

i love rpgs they're so fun, i love the final fantasy series, chrono trigger and cross was good too. I didnt really like legend of the dragoon, the story was good but hate the music, ff games have the BEST music ever such as the sutike de ne :)

[msv]

The Legend of the Dragoon was a pretty good game! The story was alright, the animation was pretty good but I especially liked the battle system. Not just the equipment and the whole "leveling" up process but how you had to hit the "x" button at the exact time to complete the attack the character had to do or the "damage" wouldn't be as great.

haha, yeah, the FF series probably have one of the greatest music ever for games! I guess that's half the reason why I got so interested in FF the first place. :tongue:

[Squall]

Try shadow hearts 2 :wink2:
the battle system is unique.abit like Legend of the Dragoon

kasic_fantasy ->the both game i am playing now is really cool..
Star Ocean is from square-enix..
so it is a really good game :D

but it is sometime good to try rpg from other companies

and Shadow hearts 2 is just so unique..i love the battle system..


anyone think that all the great RPGs are coming from the Ps2..never seen any good rpg from gamecube or xbox

[vashdestampede]

hmmm...still waiting for SH2...played the first one...damn judgement ring!!! i want 50% inrease in sale price!!!!!

anyways...
star ocean...waiting for that to go platium (god i'm so cheap)
grandia i liked...the story was a bit...gah...but i liked the battle system

Chrono trigger is a classic!!!! (damn european pal for not realising CC)
and i LOOOVVVVVVED vagrant story...anybody play that¿
took me 2 years to find and it's everything i thought it would be...

on another point...are any of you fanatics¿
that have to get everything¿
and maxing stats and stuff¿
i'm one of those people...god i have no life =(
oh well...

[azndragon1987]

Yeah, I would consider myself a game perfectionist. I HAVE to get everything in the game, and max everything, before I am satisified, or I just get completely bored of the game.

[JianDan[Ai]]

Yeah, I would consider myself a game perfectionist. I HAVE to get everything in the game, and max everything, before I am satisified, or I just get completely bored of the game.


Haha same here. In FF7 I ran out of room for materia cuz I had the whole list full of masted materia. I had like 14 ALL materias mastered (the one that takes the longest to master) The only materias I didnt have masted was enemy skill cuz I didnt care about it =P

haha what a loser i was in junior high =P i remember i only played for 99 hours i think =P

[eiko]

i have to get EVERYTHING!!lol i always have to do all the sidequests...lol but i didnt beat ozma on ff9 hes too hard! theres this friendly monster quest that u have to do in order to beat it and i went around this place for like 4 hrs straight and cant get the monsters so i just went on to beat the game but im gonna go back and beat stupid ozma!!!!

[Squall]

I am more like wanting to complete the game faster and get to finally know the whole story rather than getting everything..
Do not have the time to do so.and i have many games still waiting to be completed.

Look the RPG games is changing to a new type of battle system..
Look at Kingdom heart...Star Ocean 3 have the same battle system too.
Even the upcoming FF12 is going to have quite the same type of system.
Not anymore turn based RPG..now you get to control only 1 character...you run up to the monster and hack it or cast magic..the rest of the character is controlled by the game :D

[ClicketyClam]

I am more like wanting to complete the game faster and get to finally know the whole story rather than getting everything..
Do not have the time to do so.and i have many games still waiting to be completed.

same here, i start the games, get really into them but it starts to seem endless and then i usually forget about them because i don't have enough time.

Yea a lot of RPGs are just really slow and draggy. they take forever to get through one level. the only one that i got into big time was dark cloud two. i got that the day that it came out and my sister and i played it for hours on end. it was sort of annoying tho because it was like each level had the same goal, get the key unlock the door and then you go onto the next and then once in a while you would get a video clip explaining more of the storyline. FFX2 was pretty good but it annoyed me how you would just be thrown into combat =/

[LSS]

FFX2 has many side quest which makes the game a bit.. not organised. The graphic is nice though... i jus hate it when u are exploring and keep getting into combat... but there is an item that stop this random battle. FFX bosses are harder to beat compared to FFX2..eg. Sephiroth.

Star ocean is pretty nice too, remind me about kingdom hearts.. but the lack of save point, makes me frustrated. Even lvling up is hard too....

I am just waiting for kingdom hearts 2 patiently :)

[vashdestampede]

isn't sephiroth in ff7¿

yay!!!! kh2!!!!!!
more key whacking action!!!...

*sigh*...gotta stop swinging my keys around "=_=

[sagara0510]

sorry to go abit off topic here fellas

i'm just wondering is there any MMORPG's i can d/l and play for free?? :unsure:

[Squall]

sorry to go abit off topic here fellas

i'm just wondering is there any MMORPG's i can d/l and play for free?? :unsure:
i think there is maplestory :wink2:
it is going to be free forever

or you can try the those MMORPG which are going through beta story such as
kal online
Mu online
RYL and many more
for the beta testing game..maybe you can play a few months before it go p2p

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/gameId/0
:wink2:

[sagara0510]

thanks squall

i knew it'd be you that replied to my question :happy:

i'll check those links out!

[dagamezmasta]

haha yeah maple story link is here:

www.mapleglobal.com

but squall doesn't like it anymore :happy:

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

i jus hate it when u are exploring and keep getting into combat...
Hey, I think random battle is the pure excitement of RPG!! That what makes RPG is different to other genre. From what I can see, random battles could be regarded as the main growth of the gameplay; You get money, you get experience points, you level up, you get ability points, you improve your parties, you do some summons, you do combos, you do Limit Break and you kick every enemy's ass along the way! That what makes RPG exciting, don't you think? :wink2:

This makes me feel that Battle System is so important in an RPG game. You have to enjoy the Battle System because that's where you will spend most of your time with. If you don't like the battle system, the chance is, you don't enjoy the RPG game that you have bought.

[eiko]

Odium: De_Vangelis i agree with u about the battle system :-) it is the exciting part of rpgs, i actually liked going around just leveling up :happy: the battle system has to be perfect, such as the camera angles and the music has to be good...i think the worst battle music is in Legend Of Dragoon, the music was sooo boring, it doesnt get u excited...

[vashdestampede]

yeah...but after a while...when you're on max stats...and the 9's in your bag of gil just don't get bigger...

it's not really worth it...i guess

but yeah...whacking funny looking creatures and doing max damage is very fun...
not to mention testing out new weapons/techniques/spells and stuff like that

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

i think the worst battle music is in Legend Of Dragoon, the music was sooo boring, it doesnt get u excited...Hmm...yeah. But the battle system compensates the music, doesn't it? With that long 'square-whacking time' combos and Dragoon transformation. I totally love it. Cool moves from Dart, Albert and Rose; 'Blazing Dynamo', 'Devil Dance' and 'Rose of Wind Dance' (I forgot most of them) which has frustating timing but satisfactory, very cool moves. I can say that it is very addictive...and more challeging than FFVIII. Btw, I never expect that somebody in this forum know 'The Legend of Dragoon'. So, wow...you know it too. :-)

Have you (or anybody) play Xenogears?

yeah...but after a while...when you're on max stats...and the 9's in your bag of gil just don't get bigger...
when I get bored with max stats, I will try to play the enemy with minor magic or status magic. Or do some stealing or some weird abilities that I never use before. It's fun. :-)

[eiko]

Odium: De_Vangelis yea the dragon transformation system and everything was really fun, just didnt like the music for the battles..i played xenogears but only the beginning cuz the game for some reason didnt let me save so i couldnt play it, i was pretty mad...

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

eiko: I think I had faced that problem before many times, it drove me mad to some extend. But then after that, If I saved, I saved it many many times on one block and also, what I did was to have 2 - 4 blocks and alternated the save data between them (I also made sure that the save data has closer time/hours to each other so that if one got corrupted, I won't have to redo many things). And hope with a bit of luck, It didn't get corrupted.

[eiko]

i borrowed the game from a friend, i tried to save it tons of times but it just didnt let me so i just returned it to my friend, have u played brave fencer mushasi(cant spell) its really fun

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

eiko:Oh, Brave Fencer Musashi? Yeah, I played that game. It's so cute and interesting although sometimes the controls are frustrating. But I love the adventure and the puzzle elements in it. I think SquareEnix has made the sequel/prequel of it, with more 3D manga-like style rather than pure 3D like Kingdom Hearts.

[eiko]

Odium: De_Vangelis did they?! i never heard of it, whats it called??

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

eiko: It's called 'Musashi Samurai Legend' on PS2. Sorry, they haven't released it yet but they will release it on March 01, 2005. So, there's still time to save money for it(with Kingdom Hearts 2, Final Fantasy XII, etc). Here's some photo previews of it:here (http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/rpg/musashisamurailegend/screenindex.html). :-)

[sagara0510]

yeah...but after a while...when you're on max stats...and the 9's in your bag of gil just don't get bigger...

hahaha yeah i tried to max out FF9 for all the characters... but i couldn't do it.. the level up system in that one is diff from ff8 and 10... it was just too impossible.. i couldn't find monsters good enuf to level me up faster..

[vashdestampede]

those damn yans
"wow...look at the funny looking sheep...i'm gonna wipe the floor with thei-"

Comet....
aiya...dead in one go...

omg XENOGEARS!!!!! GAH!!!!!
at least xenosaga is coming to australia...

[sagara0510]

lol

*sigh*

ff9 is prob my fav ff game tho... i still haven't finished ff10
damn fren took back his ps2 b4 i could finish it.. :dry:

[eiko]

Odium: De_Vangelis : wow it looks totally different but really cool :excited: reminds me of kingdom hearts..have u played chrono trigger and/or cross??

sagara0510 : :excited: :excited: u like ff9 too!!!! usually not alot of ppl like that game because they think its childish but i think its really good..especially the ending :-) did u beat ozma??? i didnt :oops:

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

eiko: Yes, I played Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross. But I don't play the Chrono Cross' New Game+ to get all the characters...I kinda bored to replay the whole thing again and choose other course of the storyline. :-)

sagara: where are you in the FFX's storyline/place when your friend take his PS2 back from you?

[vashdestampede]

ozma...a swirling ball of colour...(can't be too bad...right¿)
piece of darkness crap >.<

i liked ff9 cos it went back to the purely fantasy elements like the snes/nes ff's

[sagara0510]

i was near the end
very close to the end... but not b4 the sad bit where u see tidus... erm.. go away..

i hadn't got that far yet.. >_<

ozma... hahahhaha he was a funny piece of crap
so easy to beat.. just use the magic hammer on him and suck out all his MP and he's totally craptastic

on a seperate personal note... if all goes well i'll be a proud owner of a silver PS2 2nite... my fren's sister works at k-mart and is getting it for me cheap

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

sagara: Good luck for you then. =)
After that you can just buy FFX and play it until the sad bit when Tidus goes away...

ozma...yes, it's hard when he/it blows you with meteors. But it didn't make me frustrated.
Once I played FFVIII when you have to fight some dragons (Ruby Dragon, I think) for couple of times before you get a chance to fight Bahamut and get him as your G.F.
My party was about Lv 95+ and make this dragon to be Lv99. He has this fire breath that wipe everyone at once. Game over many, many times (taking me days) until I got so frustrated and really cry...LOL.
It's my fault not to get Bahamut while the party's level is stil under 90.

[sagara0510]

ozma... *sigh*

one of the easiest 'secret' bosses i've ever fought..
the hardest is probably omega weapon :sweat:

just got a call from my fren.. he's on the way to pick up my ps2 now! i asked him if he can get a vertical stand for me as well and a memory card... *sigh*... why do i have to be stuck at work now! =\

[littleasian]

i never played FF9. The look of the game...so childish. I can't take it. No offense to people, but i hate all those kiddy rpg's (ex. Paper Mario).

Star Ocean 3 is one of the best rpg's i've ver played in quite a while. Highly recommended.

ON a side note..did anybody get Shadow Hearts: Convenant? I hear thats quite good (reviewers give it high scores...but i dont really trust reviewers).

anybody wanna gimme his opinions?

[sagara0510]

ff9 is kiddy like.. but the story and the music is just fantastic... ur like a fren of mine littleasian... he didn't finish ff9 either because he doesn't like the kiddly look of it.. i'll admit i didn't like it either but once u play it awhile u forget all abt it and u just get so engrossed in the story...

its definately one of the best rpg's i've ever played

[Squall]

ON a side note..did anybody get Shadow Hearts: Convenant? I hear thats quite good (reviewers give it high scores...but i dont really trust reviewers).

anybody wanna gimme his opinions?
i got that game...gonna complete it soon
I personally think that Shadow Hearts 2 is a very good game..maybe even better than SO3 :wink2:
The battle system is unique..I really love it because the judgment ring will get you involve in the battle.
The sound is quite good too..maybe FF standard'
The story is quite unexpected and sometime funny too
The side quest is huge,there is many many things to do in the game
And this game do not involve heavy leveling up so it is fun too..you don't need to keep on leveling up.

So please get the game

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

sagara: If you like FF9, most likely you will be blown away by FFX. It's great. Very wonderful experience for me as a gamer.
So, after you get your brand new PS2 tonight, play FFX, take your time and after you finish it someday, don't forget to put your opinion of it. I'll be waiting. =)

Btw, like you, I also borrowed PS2 for a month from my friend during the school holiday because he went back home to Indonesia. I played many games like mad, even hardly get to sleep...to get the most if it. When the holiday was over, he took it back, I was so sad...Cause it's like I've been developing so much emotional connection with the games that I've been playing with so much hardwork (I know, maybe it sounds weird...).
Oh...my FFX...my GT3....my MGS3...my WE6...my Xenosaga...my save files...gone... T_T

[sagara0510]

well i've basically finished FFX.. i mean.. he only let me borrow it for 1 week... so i didn't have time to do any side quests and stuff.. i just played thru the story

i didn't get to finish it but i've seen the ending already cos i went to his house and he loaded up one of his save games and showed me the ending.. but i still want to finish it by myself...

i haven't played ffx-2 yet.. thats one that i want to play... and i can't wait for ffxii either.. *drools*

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

hehehe....good then, now you can finish it with all the time that you have. =)

I've been putting my fingers onto my ear and close my eyes so that I don't get any leaked spoilers of FFX-2 (although actually I got a few spoiler in the end >.<). Man...it would be harder with the release of FFXII.
I played FFX-2 only once, in a store, and I was taking so long, I could feel that the owner just wanted so badly to kick me out. He threatened me with multiple haunting stares.

I should save my money fast and buy PS2 quick.

[vashdestampede]

lol...err...a bit of warning with ff-x2

it's more of a game you play for fun...rather than a game you normally play as an rpg
don't expect a huge meaningful story like any of the other ff's

it's more how much time can you spend doing weird and funky side quests whilst being hypnotised by yuna's short skirt and rikku's invisible clothing

[sagara0510]

i've played mayb the first 20 mins of ffx-2... the japanese version..

then the dialogue got too intense and i couldn't keep up :sweat:

[vashdestampede]

lol...not being able to read jap can do that to you...

i could never be able to play a game not in english
the thought of not knowing exactly what's going on (or what i'm selecting)
really peeves me off

i guess i'm just one of those hardcore rpg perfectionists

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

vash: a hardcore rpg perfectionist...I think that means you play it 100% perfectly but for once, without any replay.... :D

By that you also mean that you often (or always) refer to walkthrough guide before making any slightest selection? :?

[vashdestampede]

errr...actually
i do it the hard way around...
where i do stuff...and i save...and it doesn't work out...i go back and load >.<

usually i just play it through once
and then go all obsessed second time around

which is why i like games with new game + features

[sagara0510]

thats what i do
i'll finish the game without help the first time around
then the 2nd time i'll get a walkthru and finish it 100%

[vashdestampede]

yeah...wouldn't want the story to get in the way of max stats or long-winded side-quests huh¿

hmmm...i must say
the rpg has certainly evolved...
from traditional ones like dragon quest1-4 and ff1-6 to kingdom hearts, shadow hearts and such

i wonder if rpgs will fuse with other genres...like racing and stuff

[scarletwillow]

yeah...wouldn't want the story to get in the way of max stats or long-winded side-quests huh¿

hmmm...i must say
the rpg has certainly evolved...
from traditional ones like dragon quest1-4 and ff1-6 to kingdom hearts, shadow hearts and such

i wonder if rpgs will fuse with other genres...like racing and stuff

Ever play Midnight Club II or Need for Speed Underground 2?
They're close enough.

Fighting games: Tobal 1 and 2 for PS.
FPS: Morrowind, Planetside
Space sim: Freelancer
Sports: Any game where you can create your own player is RPG enough for me.

[sagara0510]

but those games are still fairly linear.. and aren't as story driven as Final Fantasy games..

i'll agree they can be classified as RPG's... but they really couldn't be considered PURE rpg's

[vashdestampede]

yeah....but the weird thing is...games like diablo and baldur's gate...i never considered rpg's...and i don't know why

and sometimes games like kingdom hearts are labelled as action/adventure games...

[sagara0510]

thats because it is an action adventure!!! *faints*

it's a hack n slash action adventure... not a PURE RPG... a hybrid....

[vashdestampede]

yeah but...then technically a lot of games aren't rpg....

tales of phantasia¿

oh well...i like em anyways...

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

I consider Tales of Phantasia an RPG. Although it has a different battle system.

Like Star Ocean series, Dragon Warriors series or something like Valkyrie Profile and Thousand Arms, I think they are all RPGs but they have different approach toward the battle system.
I think some people are classifying too quickly on a genre; a different battle system from the tradional one doesn't mean it is not an RPG. They are all RPGs but they have a different approach on battle system or maybe, gameplay.

But I agree that something like Kingdom Hearts are adventure/action- RPG. Or something like Parasite Eve 2. They are more on action but there's still RPG elements on them. I classify them as action/adventure RPG because they have 'Real-Time Battle System', where the enemies are there to be whacked, rather than those 'shattering glass' or 'blurring screen' before an encounter in random battle (like FF8). They are still RPG though cause there's magic elements, battle tactic, or subquests.

I can say that pure RPG is the one which battles are the one with 'shattering glass' encounter; and Adventure/action RPG are the ones with Real-Time Battle System. I think that's where you can separate a pure RPG and an adventure/action RPG, the type of the battle system.

[sagara0510]

I can say that pure RPG is the one which battles are the one with 'shattering glass' encounter; and Adventure/action RPG are the ones with Real-Time Battle System. I think that's where you can separate a pure RPG and an adventure/action RPG, the type of the battle system.


OMG... i couldn't have said it better myself.. that is exactly what i think the difference is between PURE RPG and action/adventure type RPG's.
you've hit the nail right on the spot with that statement :happy:

[vashdestampede]

lol...shattering glass....and then swirling...
(hmmm...swirling was good for seeing if a trail led to a dead end or not)

and in ffx, zooming...but not zooming (which really freaked me out)

hey...do you guys like complicated mazes in rpgs¿
so you get lost....

or do you get peeved that there is treasure that you might not have gotten and then get ants in your pants¿

[JianDan[Ai]]

I hate that feeling!! >[ Im a kind of rpg player that has to get everything...hahaha and I always try to level up to the max level...I guess it can get boring, but it feels good to be like "dayum right im level 99 and i can whip the final boss like nothing" =P

On the side, I dont quite understand Odium's comment about the shattering glass and the real time battle system. Im not exactly sure what you mean. When you say shattering glass, all I can think of is FFX haha =P

[ho_yt]

I do get what Jojo means, I had played FF8, so I know what he mean, there is a big different between kingdom hearts and FF8, kingdom hearts is more of action then RPG and FF8 like pure RPG, Kingdom hearts also have more features as it concentrate more on action than the story and the way the enerny comes out is also different.

I once had this feeling too, wanted to get everything in the game as I always think that I will not play that game again so I must have all the things in the game.

[JianDan[Ai]]

Oh ok I see what he means now. I would normally say that I like Real RPG like FF style more than anything else, but Kingdom hearts is more fast paced and i like that. When you are leveling up, its a million times more fun. For me, the wait time for battles to load, often can get me very sleepy =/

[vashdestampede]

yeah!!!!!!

in ff8, i fell asleep cos i was just drawing magic from the enemy...
soooooooo bad...

never thought i could fall asleep playing an rpg

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

I'm glad you get what I mean, JDA. :happy:
The Real Time Battle System is like Kingdom Hearts, where there is no loading section for a battle scene; you just see the enemies are there and defeat them. In Pure RPGs, there are always this "blurring screen/shattering glass" effect before the battle and you are loaded into another scene of battle. I took FF8 as an example, where actually all the Pure RPGs are like that (FF series, etc).

On the side, If I'm in a dungeon, I always want to get every treasure chests along the way. I just don't want to miss out some great items and great weapons. But it's annoying though to go through all the random battles just for the treasures, especially if I find myself on a dead end or if the item inside is just some secondary/tertiary items, like: eyedroppers. :oops:

LOL...vash. You are so right!
'Drawing' is the most boring but useful features in FF series...It feels like playing with your enemy. My fingers get so numb, doing the same thing over and over for drawing magics.
I also once almost slept when I trained my party in FF series. I laid down, face down to my bed and half-asleep while my left thumb moving the analog pad for random battles, and my right thumb pushing the 'commence' button for a constant physical attacks.

By the way, talking about dungeon/maze, does anybody has your own 'most frustrating dungeon(s)'? =)

[JianDan[Ai]]

ff8 was just a pain in the (__)(__) in general. The entire junction system was so irrititating, every time I had to switch parties or whatever, it took like 30 minutes to reconfigure everything, switch magics from one person to another, select magic for the skills, and to junction onto my stats...argh...

I guess im kinda very classical and like the 'standard' FF style gameplay like ff5,6,7 and 9. As for magic, I thought the idea in 7 was awesome, but you never could hold enough materia, and 6 was nice but then again it took forever to learn the magic, esp if it was a x1 esper -_-;;; I guess I would hafta say I liked 9 the best as far as gameplay. 8 was just too weird and irritating for me.

now im not sure where i would categorize 10. I really loved 10, the gameplay was different, buy not as annoying as 8 and still fun enough that I enjoyed it.

So as far as favorite FF's I would say 7 and 10. Im basing this off 3 elements, graphics, gameplay and story. Next would be 6 and 9. I thought 6 had an excellent gameplay and story, but i really cant stand those graphics... -_-;; and as for 9, the gameplay and graphics were both awesome, but I did not really like the story much =/ I prefer 20 year old bad asses like Cloud and Barret hahaha =P

as for the most frustrating dungeon...i still need to think some more....the dungeon leading to the omega weapon in ff8 I remember was bad....took me 2 hours...just to get in... -_-;; but im sure there are more bad ones...

[sagara0510]

i hate complex maze puzzle types... like the cloister of trials in ffx.. *sigh*
too much time searching for the right spheres and destruction spheres etc...

and i fell asleep in ff8 too! while during a battle...
it sucked waking up to see a game over screen :oops:

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

JDA: My favourite FF series would be 7 and 10. They are pretty similar aswell; both are a milestone in the FF series. They have lots and lots of subquests and a great ingenuity in the gameplay; FF7 with its Materia System and FFX with its SphereGrid System. I don't know why but I just love FFX's battle system so much. The FFX's 'Turn-Based' Battle System is like a fresh air to the legendary 'Time-Bar' Battle System. Because it's turn-based, I like the way we can plan our strategies in Boss Battles. I also like the interchangeable party during the battle. I never bored playing FFVII and FFX, there's always something exciting and challeging to do, especially with FFVII's Ruby, Emerald and Ultima Weapons.

FFV and FFVI are good too, I think. I love the FFV's Job System. But the graphics are not good at all. I don't like the money system in FFVIII where you are being paid by the SeeD after a certain amount of time (although it is realistic). And FFIX...I like it because its 'back-to-basic' root of Final Fantasy and the Flying Chocobo! :tongue:
And FFIV is the one that I don't really like. Too simple and dreadful graphics... -__-"

Btw, JDA...You can use 'Master Magic' materia if you want to a character to get ALL the magics in FFVII, or 'Master Summon' for all summons and 'Master Command' for all the command abilities. Once you put it in a character, he/she is a god-character. :-)
'W-item' and 'W-summon' materias are great too.

Well, after I try to think for my 'most frustrating dungeon', there's one dungeon that frustrates me the most. It's the 'New Game+/Real Ending' feature on Parasite Eve 1. The dungeon is a tall, 100-floor building in Manhattan. Once you are in, you have to get ready to spend A LOT of time in it. One floor is like a huge dungeon itself. The random battles are so bloody frequent, the enemies are so hard, LOTS of dead ends, many quadraple juctions, lots of consecutive multiple juctions, identical pathways in all 100 floors, no treasure chests, no save point at all, and once you are in, you can't go out but for every 10th floor (you can go out on 20th, 30th and so on).

In every 10th floor, you get big bosses. After defeating them, they will give you elevator keys to go down, out of the building, and save somewhere else. If you go to the top of the building without a single save (I once accidentally discarded the all the elevator keys because of the full inventory), It can take you 7 hours long. The Last Boss is so damn hard, it takes you another hour to beat it. That is my most frustrating dungeon of all. Never ever I've played something crazier than that.

[JianDan[Ai]]

Odium: Oh i remember those, but i mean, at like the end, I remember i wanted to have a masted steal materia, deathstrike, and a few other of those yellow materias ( i guess they were ability materia's? forgot...haha) on everyone. Also it makes a difference if its on the armor or the weapon, so you would need 2 of each...+ you always gotta have hp+ and mp+...and a few all's in there...haha ^^;;

it was so long ago, I don't remember all the specifics, but I will admit i was obcessive about it, and i had maxed out on mastered materia (as in i couldnt carry anymore materia -___-;;;) hahahahhaah If i sold it all i woulda had over 100 million gil...hahah which woulda been completly useless...but i need that in 10...for the goddam bribing...haha

I was thinking the other day about if I was to make a revolutionary and awesome rpg, what i would do, and having just watched gundam seed, i thought of something that no other rpg has ever done. Let you play opposing parties. What I mean is like, if there is no real "good guy" or "bad guy" in the story, but instead 2 groups of people who are brought together around a conflict I guess like the war in gundam seed between coordinators and naturals. The idea being is that in the end ur 2 parties come together and fight as one, but in the beginning they are opposed to each other for like 80% of the game.

Obviously, if u have seen gundam seed, it would be like Kira, Mwu La Flarga, and Callagi lets say on one side, fighting asthran, Yzak, and Dearka. Of course add in twists like Dearka getting captured, and the addition of cruuize fighting (not under the players control) for zaft etc etc. In the end basically having all these characters togeter united against the 2 original forces they were fighting for but instead for I guess...a 3rd new faction. The strenght in the story would basically be how its friend fighting friend against their will (athrun and kira, or the captains of the 2 archangels, or even dearka and yzak later on)

Haha, I hope that wasnt too confusing for those that havent seen gundam seed (which all u nerds should see, its the BEST anime i swear) The only problem i would see is how exactly would u get your 2 partys to fight each other, (which you both control) cuz i mean, they wouldnt be much of advesaries if they didnt actually fight each other.

Meh that was just some random idea i had....hahaha

[vashdestampede]

every time I had to switch parties or whatever, it took like 30 minutes to reconfigure everything
errr...wasn't there an option to just switch everything from one player to the other automatically¿

my worst dungeon...well not really a dungeon....but in wild arms 3...there was this 100 level place with no saves...and well...you can to touch all the crystals to open the entry into the next level

and if you fell off...oh god...you could actually fall off the damn ground!

and then there was this uber hard boss (luckily only does fire attacks) while i was desperate to save
and then when i went to leave, the boss showed up AGAIN with ALL ELEMENTAL ATTACKS

and i was so scared of having to do it again that i had to win...that last battle i planned for about 2 hours

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

JDA: I haven't seen Gundam Seed yet, I have only read the manga for Gundam Wing. So, I don't really know the characters and all or the storyline. I'm confused with the Gundam Seed's jargons you used. -__-"
I will watch it if I see it on DVD rental store since I know that Gundam Seed is a great anime from what I heard (and from what I heard from you aswell. =P).

But I undertand what you are trying to say on the RPG that you are trying to make. But first of all (and sadly), I think somebody has made that kind of RPG. Konami has made it in one of their the famous Suikoden series, Suikoden 3. (I'm sure you know Suikoden). I only play it for half of the game because I borrow a PS2 from a friend so I'm not really sure of the storyline and the exact names or system, but I get the rough idea of it.

In Suikoden 3, there are 3 main characters; and those three characters are the potential 'Legendary Rune Bearer' aswell. But three of them have their own ideas, values and backgrounds that contradict with each other (hmm...like one is in Imperial Army, and one more is in Rebel Army, and one is in the third party organisation).

And what Konami does is to have 3 Destiny Points (Trinity Points). One with character A, one with B, one with C. I think each characters have 5 beginning chapters. You can choose whoever you want to start first. And let say, you choose A's Chapter 1. You gonna use him and his party. And you gonna face Character B and Character C as your archenemies.
Then after you finish A's Chapter 1, you gonna be back in the Trinity Points. Now you can choose which chapter and character you want to play next. And after you play it for 3 chapters for each main characters, you can see the story getting more complex. many misundertandings and more twist in the storyline. And in the end they come to a point where they realize that are actually have a same goal and have to beat the same evil guy.
At this time, you unlock another Point in the Trinity Point....and play as the same party. (And you know that Suikoden has a 108 characters as your party, building kingdom and all). So, each main characters' party join up and create one kingdom....and you have to know that each main characters can recruit a particular character to join the kingdom. You can never get a character named Squall(let say) if you use A & C. You have to recruit him using B.

So, what Konami does is to create a system where you can have all the main characters' perspective of the World of Suikoden. And it's very interesting to see that an event is seen as different perspective by the three main characters. And I think, if you play it until the end, they will have another Point in the Trinity Points for the chapters for the Bad Character. You can see what makes him from a good character to bad and see the world of Suikoden from his own perpective, fighting the 3 main good characters.

It's kinda long winding, but I hope you can get what I mean. :happy:

By the way if anybody have played Suikoden 3, perharps you can explain more to JDA because I didn't play it until the end (and I forgot, too). :-)

vash: My friend play Wild Arms 3 aswell, I think. He said that he is so fed up with the battle system and the linear story because you were stranded inside a cave or something, 1000 meter beneath the ground. And your goal is to get through the surface. (That's what I've been told).

[vashdestampede]

hmmmm...i heard suikoden was something like that

so many characters...and you can't get them all in one playthrough
(sounds like JDA's and my worst nightmare)

hmmmm...i really wanna get it...
but the damn European PAL...:ranting:

[Odium: De_Vangelis]

Yeah...Europe PAL is kinda sucked badly. Some great RPGs and other genres are just not released out here. Like Xenosaga, for example. Luckily, I had played Suikoden 1, 2 and a bit of 3 in Indonesia/Malaysia. I just have to buy those games that is not released here if I came back home, but going home is so expensive... :dry:

And no vash, you can get everyone (the 108 star characters) in one go. You just have to choose the right decision (in critical choices) and do the right thing or recruiting a character in the right time (like: not death sentencing an enemy, or don't let a character die in some boss fight, always defending in one on one combat, recruiting a character when you meet him in a particular town but not later, etc).

There's also a multiple endings, depending on the the number of star characters you have (if 108 = good ending; if not = bad ending). The number of characters (108 or not) also detemine the unlocking of awesome Final Rune Magic, the appearance of your kingdom (more characters, bigger & higher castle and more stairs and rooms; more handy characters like a mechanic, a smith or a bartender can create a elevator, a weapon store, or a bar in your castle, etc) and prevent a bad tragedy in near to the ending of story which leads you to the bad ending.

You can play it in one go to get all the characters and a good ending...But you just have to rely on game guides or walkthrough. If you play it through on yourself, the chance is you will get bad endings, and miss out on the hidden potentials that your castle could provide for you.

[vashdestampede]

hmmmmm....suikoden's sounding better and better

now i just gotta go blackmail the companies to bring their games over here¿

hey....what system do you guys think had the best rpgs¿
i know snes has had heaps....but do you think psx or ps2 have better rpgs¿

[eiko]

psx??? do u mean ps1??? well ps1 has alot of ff games so i think its a good system but theres the ps2 too so i just like the whole playstation thing in general :)

[JianDan[Ai]]

JDA: I haven't seen Gundam Seed yet, I have only read the manga for Gundam Wing. So, I don't really know the characters and all or the storyline. I'm confused with the Gundam Seed's jargons you used. -__-"
I will watch it if I see it on DVD rental store since I know that Gundam Seed is a great anime from what I heard (and from what I heard from you aswell. =P).

But I undertand what you are trying to say on the RPG that you are trying to make. But first of all (and sadly), I think somebody has made that kind of RPG. Konami has made it in one of their the famous Suikoden series, Suikoden 3. (I'm sure you know Suikoden). I only play it for half of the game because I borrow a PS2 from a friend so I'm not really sure of the storyline and the exact names or system, but I get the rough idea of it.

In Suikoden 3, there are 3 main characters; and those three characters are the potential 'Legendary Rune Bearer' aswell. But three of them have their own ideas, values and backgrounds that contradict with each other (hmm...like one is in Imperial Army, and one more is in Rebel Army, and one is in the third party organisation).

And what Konami does is to have 3 Destiny Points (Trinity Points). One with character A, one with B, one with C. I think each characters have 5 beginning chapters. You can choose whoever you want to start first. And let say, you choose A's Chapter 1. You gonna use him and his party. And you gonna face Character B and Character C as your archenemies.
Then after you finish A's Chapter 1, you gonna be back in the Trinity Points. Now you can choose which chapter and character you want to play next. And after you play it for 3 chapters for each main characters, you can see the story getting more complex. many misundertandings and more twist in the storyline. And in the end they come to a point where they realize that are actually have a same goal and have to beat the same evil guy.
At this time, you unlock another Point in the Trinity Point....and play as the same party. (And you know that Suikoden has a 108 characters as your party, building kingdom and all). So, each main characters' party join up and create one kingdom....and you have to know that each main characters can recruit a particular character to join the kingdom. You can never get a character named Squall(let say) if you use A & C. You have to recruit him using B.

So, what Konami does is to create a system where you can have all the main characters' perspective of the World of Suikoden. And it's very interesting to see that an event is seen as different perspective by the three main characters. And I think, if you play it until the end, they will have another Point in the Trinity Points for the chapters for the Bad Character. You can see what makes him from a good character to bad and see the world of Suikoden from his own perpective, fighting the 3 main good characters.

It's kinda long winding, but I hope you can get what I mean. :happy:

By the way if anybody have played Suikoden 3, perharps you can explain more to JDA because I didn't play it until the end (and I forgot, too). :-)



Oh my brother has that game, and he played it. I didnt see him get that far, so I didnt know they fight each other. But I mean I think it would be more fun if it was played concurrently, as in (character A plays a bit, then Player B, then back to player A, and back to B...etc etc) cuz if u do like 15 hours of character A and then 15 hours of character B, it gets annoying u know? cuz if you dont play often like me, u will forget the story, and I guess for some reason u learn to dislike the character you aren't playing ( i feel that way tho)

My idea was that ur parties would run into each other during the story and fight each other. Of course...the problem is how is that gonna work =/ What would make the story really compelling would be like in seed if the people in the party's were really good friends, but forced to fight each other, and then maybe the 2 main characters end up killing each other's friends and get pissed at each other (even thought they are like best friends)

Thats what seed was basically about.

Anyways...balh...my idea was just a random thing after watching seed...probably will never do anything about it...hahaha

[vashdestampede]

haha jda...see you've been hooked on trigun ^_^

hmmm....i saw suikoden iv...i sure hope it comes out in australia...
it's odd...they don't hype rpgs up much in advertising

[sagara0510]

i've been playing ffx-2 recently and... i'm bored

i don't know why but i don't feel a sense of urgency to play it
in fact i've stopped playing it on Chapter 3 and i've started playing MGS2: Substance again...
this is a sad day indeed...

normally when i start an ff game i wont' be able to think abt anything else until it is complete...

*reduces hopes for a stella ff12*

[vashdestampede]

haha...i think ff12 should be alright
i guess the only reason you'd stop through ffx-2 is cos of all the sidequests...
i knew that'd be a bummer

so the first time i just went through only the main missions...
and second time went and did everything

[Joey88]

i hated final fantasy x-2. really sucked. i got it but im not even CLOSE to completing it.

i got final fantasy XI too. that is a very good game if you have the right specifications on your computer. if your computer lags a lot then this game wouldny be too good as most of the game involves being in a party. only bad thing about it is that you need to pay to play.
i really hope ffxii is nothing like ffx-2. hai... cant wait.

anyone played that Star Ocean game? i returned it back to the shops the day after hahaha. didnt enjoy it at all! lolol i played Dragon Ball Z Budokai 3 instead :D.

[HarmonyCloud]

I played, Final Fantasy X first and I really liked it. But Final Fantasy X-2 I am not crazy about and I am not Close to finishing it either Joey.

I got Final Fantasy 7, mind u, its old but Its SOOOO good the plot and everything totally makes up for the lack in graphics.

Anyone have an recommendations for what games I could play next on the PS2?

[jayx8318x]

I just had to get my yayas out about Xenosaga. Just finished playing it and OMG, what a great game. I was skeptical at first, but someone recommended it to me cuz I'm such a Final Fantasy nut. And he was like, well if you like that you'll like XS.

I'm gonna play XS 2 soon. Anyone else liked it? I wanted to start a new thread but didn't wanna be the only one who's played it >.<

[vashdestampede]

i heard xenogears (the first one) was really good...but it never came out in european pal so i never got a chance to play it

(omg...anime-style graphics...giant mechas *drool*)

i think they're gonna release xenosaga in australia soon ^_^

oh yeah...ff12 now has a march 2006 release in japan
and kingdom hearts 2 release is still vague
the theme song for kh2 is by hikki again called 'passion'

[StereoPanda]

^^^
i played xenogears back in the day, it was good. if u payed whatever for it, im sure you would think its worth it.

even though i really dont get a chance to play these now adays because of school and work, I remember playing Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete. It is deff. my all time favorite game. it had 2d graphics, but had about about an hour of different anime clips that went along with it.

[xiaoquan]

i like star ocean: till the end of time.
i played...
god of war
armored core: nexus, last raven
chaos legion
bujingai
devil may cry 3

i enjoy most the the games, waiting for ps3 to be on sale :)