Homosexuality

[wkhwa]

Beware of the "Friend" :brows: of your own sex who
1. Is too "nice" to be true :flowers:
2. Wants to spend time with you alone :hugz:
3. Propose that you be room-mates and sleep in the same bed :kisschee:
4. Writes you love notes as to a sweetheart :love:
5. Directs the conversation to intimate matters :secret:
6. Wants to touch the private parts of your body :bigyuck:

These are the trademarks of homosexuality

Homosexuality is the development of a personal fondness between two women (lesbianism) or between two men (homosexuality) is one of the perversions of love which blemishes society today. How is it that two man can relate themselves to each other as sweethearts? Or how can two women become so fond of each other that they lose their natural desire to be courted by a man? Such attachment is difficult to understand.

[laruku]

Beware of the "Friend" of your own sex who
1. Is too "nice" to be true
2. Wants to spend time with you alone
3. Propose that you be room-mates and sleep in the same bed
4. Writes you love notes as to a sweetheart
5. Directs the conversation to intimate matters
6. Wants to touch the private parts of your body

These are the trademarks of homosexuality

gah.. stereotyping.. WHERE did you get that from anyway! utter nonsense!

firstly.. gays (and lesbians) will NOT make a move unless they know that YOU are homo as well.. which means they will only "hit on" fellow homosexuals. I have many gays and lesbian friends whom i NEVER thought they were homo till they told me or i met them with their partner.. some of them i am rather close to too. even when we first knew each other and they don't know my sexual orientation at that time, they never tried to get fresh with me. so that's utter nonsense. its unfair to say that a WHOLE group of them are the same way if only a handful behave like this.


Homosexuality is the development of a personal fondness between two women (lesbianism) or between two men (homosexuality) is one of the perversions of love which blemishes society today. How is it that two man can relate themselves to each other as sweethearts? Or how can two women become so fond of each other that they lose their natural desire to be courted by a man?

perversion? blemishes? aren't those too harsh words? who are we to decide that they are immoral?

Such attachment is difficult to understand.

have you tried to understand?

[wkhwa]

ok...ok... hold it... I'm not here to start an argument...
Nonsence or no nonsence... I started this thread to provide some ideas about homosexuality and not some criticism that provoke unessasary admonishment.
I'm sorry if I'd offended anyone out there but this is just an open discussion ok???

[MonkeyKing]

seems like a good place to post this pic
http://premium.uploadit.org/TTi2k4/hell15.jpg

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/kao/otn/pmimisamu.gif.... actually i once knew a guy who was gay and he never tried anything on me (i didn't register on his Gay-day i guess >...<) but sadly all the criticisms n insults eventually drove him out the skool when he came out the closet... quite a sad story actually. :cry:

[Vicluva]

Homosexuality is the development of a personal fondness between two women (lesbianism) or between two men (homosexuality) is one of the perversions of love which blemishes society today. How is it that two man can relate themselves to each other as sweethearts? Or how can two women become so fond of each other that they lose their natural desire to be courted by a man? Such attachment is difficult to understand.

im sorry but that's just discriminating against homosexuals. just because they're different from some people doesn't mean they 'blemish' society. do disabled people 'blemish' society? they can't help being who they are, and i personally don't have a problem with it.
rascists would say that blacks or asians also 'blemish' society, would that be true?
and i don't know why being gay should bother anyone. it's not like they're hitting on you or asking you to become gay, so why not just let them be?

[laruku]

I started this thread to provide some ideas about homosexuality and not some criticism that provoke unessasary admonishment.
you wouldn't have offended me if you hadn't made that comment about homosexuality being perverse and blemishes society...

maybe i was being overly sensitive.. but these are my friends you are talking about... i am a fag hag i admit.. but i love my fag friends and i will NOT let anyone bully or insult them. never.

[hisashi]

So being friends with them doesn't mean they like u in a romantic way? :? I am curious to what's going on in their minds. My friends are not lesbian nor gay.

[charmian]

You mean that are signs of Homosexauilty?! dude..MY whole class smack My Boobs and groin!! den wad? the whole class in love with me or something? yea...i dun really agree with it :? But its okie..cuz its really from YOUR point of view. :wink2: But as aniwea, to define homosexuality is really up to its person's mindset. My fren who had a MAJOR crush on a Gal and she's a gal too, well, she doesnt really think of having sex with that crush or something..she just wanna spend time chatting with her and you know, hold her hand, hug her. NOTHING sexual. BUT, she likes her to bits. :wacko: or maybe, she's heels over her. Aniwea, i call my frens, "babe","darling","dear". Nothing seems wrong..=X we sit on each others lap and stuff like that..but its not that we're lesbians or Gay. :glug:

Probably you have a misconception about Gays. :glug: they're truthfully nothing like wad you point of view states. :rasp:

Dude, i suppose you haven been into a single sex school huh..maybe you should click on this thread to find out more about how gals and gals behave when they're together and well, boys and boys too. :happy:

http://jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4264

that should give you a rough idea. :wave: So, dude!! not all people who behave VERY intimate to their same sex frens are gay. DEN, i'm GAY!! den my Bf would be dying of shock. LOLS. :tongue:

besides, its doest blemishes the society. Its kinda rude, dude. gay just like someone form their sex. i dun see any wrong in that. Just like you liking choclate cake while i love cheese cake. its really personal and up to the person. :angel: Perhaps you should be more concern about other people's feelings too? :happy:

[kasic_fantasy]

gah.. stereotyping.. WHERE did you get that from anyway! utter nonsense!

firstly.. gays (and lesbians) will NOT make a move unless they know that YOU are homo as well.. which means they will only "hit on" fellow homosexuals. I have many gays and lesbian friends whom i NEVER thought they were homo till they told me or i met them with their partner.. some of them i am rather close to too. even when we first knew each other and they don't know my sexual orientation at that time, they never tried to get fresh with me. so that's utter nonsense. its unfair to say that a WHOLE group of them are the same way if only a handful behave like this.




perversion? blemishes? aren't those too harsh words? who are we to decide that they are immoral?



have you tried to understand?
one thing i'm against your quote is that....gays and lesbians act on whoever they want....i can gaurantee you that coz right now a lesbian and a gay is after me....they know that i'm the perfect normal type yet they still came to me....
...anyway...theres nothing wrong about homosexual....but just that not everyone is in it...

[lene]

Hmmm... I've been hit on by a lesbian before too and I got pretty traumatized by that.
However, we both grew up and learned to face things maturely. We're actually good friends now.

I actually admire homosexuals for their talents and courage. Obviously most of them are suffering a lot because of the discriminating eyes of society. It would definitely help a lot if people - especially educated ones like us - for once, try to look at things from their own perspectives and learn to respect and understand them.

I respect your opinions wkhwa, but they're just foul and utterly immature. Grow up!

[petheads]

i can gaurantee you that coz right now a lesbian and a gay is after me....they know that i'm the perfect normal type yet they still came to me....

So are you actually a guy or a girl? :hmm: You should probably make it clear to whoever has gotten it wrong. :hmm:

[cowboy]

Well, I'd like to start by saying that the opening post in this thread was a very immature and poorly thought out opinion. Come on, I mean blemishes to society? Perverse? There is nothing more or less about a homosexual relations than in straight relations. What is the big deal about being hit on by a homosexual anyway? Don't you find it the least flattering that you are attractive to both sexes. The gay friends I have have very good taste in attractive men, I felt honored when they were jealous that one hit on me at a gay bar, and not them.

No matter what you think about homosexuality on a personal level, the real issue in society is its place in society. Now as a member of a free society, I would like to believe that a person's choice of lifesyle is a paramount freedom that cannot and should not be scrutinized or infringed upon ever. The only difference between a gay and a straight is what gboes on in the bedroom at night when you can't see them. Other than that these citizens of this planet are as everybit normal as any "normal" person you come across. Hell, sometimes they are more so.

I'm an ex homophobe who now would gladly put a rainbow sticker on my truck. I say gay rights now, and would fight to defend any right homosexuals have now or have yet to gain.

[anyabelle]

I'm an ex homophobe who now would gladly put a rainbow sticker on my truck. I say gay rights now, and would fight to defend any right homosexuals have now or have yet to gain.

GOOD FOR YOU!!! That's what all guys should really learn: that having queer peeps as friends doesn't have to mean that u r also one (not that being gay is derogatory anywhos, but that just means ur comfortable with ur own sexuality without having to be so paranoid checking on it)

And for me? I love my fags. And I totally dig Queer Eye for the Straight Guy too. Without them, my monday nights would be the dullest nights ever.

[hisashi]

Erm, what if a gay give me wrong signals and I still din know abt it! O_O;; and I thought he is straight and is interested in me.. :sweat:

[cowboy]

Erm, what if a gay give me wrong signals and I still din know abt it! O_O;; and I thought he is straight and is interested in me.. :sweat:

WHo cares, you just tell him, "NO, sorry. I'm flattered, but I'm straight." It's not like it is a flesh eating virus. Homo sexuality is not contagious, just because a homosexual talks to you doesn't mean you will become gay. It is no different than if an ugly person hits on you and you are not interested. So relax, and relish in the fact that you are attractive to both sexes.:wink2:

[hisashi]

lol. cowboy, look at my gender - I'm a female. Get it? :oops:

I know I can do that to a lesbian and I can't possibly become friends with her...erm, yeah, unless we are open with each other.

[cowboy]

Haha, oops, my bad. Sorry Hisashi, neglected your profile when I wrote :shy: .

Well the comment works both ways. Oh, and I wouldn't worry about openess. Homosexuals I know are about as open with their sexuality as straight people.

[Pugwash]

Erm, what if a gay give me wrong signals and I still din know abt it! O_O;; and I thought he is straight and is interested in me.. :sweat:

Your statement is confusing.

Isn't he not gay and straight if he went for you, a girl? Or did you just mean that you thought he was gay but really, he is perhaps bisexual?

[anyabelle]

Your statement is confusing.

Isn't he not gay and straight if he went for you, a girl? Or did you just mean that you thought he was gay but really, he is perhaps bisexual?

Hmm.... I think what she means is that what if a straight-looking gay shows her some gestures that would make her think that he likes her. That and not being able to sense that all the while, he actually is a gay guy. Is this right hisashi? :happy:

[hisashi]

Yep. Yep. anyabelle. Pardon for my confusing statement. I can't think straight these days. :sweat: and with that, I begin to feel something for him too..

Bisexual?! O_O That would be the worst thing the could ever happen to me if I were to get interested in a guy! :oops:

[Nigtasca]

Why would that be? Its okay to be bisexual, everyone in this world has their own right. As long as they don't hurt anyone anything can go, as long as you live each day as yourself. I think some people forgot about that long time ago, I have friends who forgot about it. Some of them are gay, and they're so scared to admit it, but they can't hide it forever. I think its time for them just to be proud of who they are, and just, well be them.

[charmian]

Yep. Yep. anyabelle. Pardon for my confusing statement. I can't think straight these days. :sweat: and with that, I begin to feel something for him too..

Bisexual?! O_O That would be the worst thing the could ever happen to me if I were to get interested in a guy! :oops:

you're a gal yet you're afraid to be interested in a guy? :glug: am i like seeing the wrong thing or wadeva it is? :?

aniwea, being Bisexual is nothing shameful. its just being truthful to who you are. people tend to be secretive about it cuz of the society's unaccptance of them. BUT, that doesnt mean that bisexual's cant be who they are. :hmm:

as of aniweas, there always would be such a day where you doubt your sexuality. its normal..haha..i have to admit i've doubt my sexuality and even had thinking of accepting my homosexuality fren as a lover. :huglove: BUT i found out that its just that the attention thats she's giving me made the feel this short term "love" for her. Yep. :rasp: BUT, i'm like all straight now. haha..but i still love my gal frens! :hugz:

[hisashi]

You can see that, charmian? :glug: Wow.

I mean yeah, there's nothing wrong to be a bisexual, gay or lesbian. It's just that when u think your guy loves u and u love ur guy and one day, he tells u that he is betraying u or doesnt like u anymore not becos of a gal but a guy! That is shock news to me, I tell u! :oops: Perhaps I am not that open-minded afterall. ><

Also, to my previous question, how can I tell that a gay is a gay? :sweat: sounds stupid eh?

[charmian]

You can see that, charmian? :glug: Wow.

I mean yeah, there's nothing wrong to be a bisexual, gay or lesbian. It's just that when u think your guy loves u and u love ur guy and one day, he tells u that he is betraying u or doesnt like u anymore not becos of a gal but a guy! That is shock news to me, I tell u! :oops: Perhaps I am not that open-minded afterall. ><

Also, to my previous question, how can I tell that a gay is a gay? :sweat: sounds stupid eh?

haha..maybe. i used to to accept gays too. But i soon leartn that they're humans after all. hehe..i was shocked too when i found my fren kissing a GAL!! when she's a gal too. O wells. :rasp:

aniwea..how to tell if a gay is gay? when they're not having GF all their lives? LOL..or maybe when they're in pub..you see them hooking up guys..hehe!! NO IDEA! perhaps you have to wait for them to take action before you can comfirm they're gays. :whistle:

[wkhwa]

Not having a gf does not mean 1 is gay and hooking up with guys who are best buddies are a normal routine not to be defined with the term gay. Ya I agree, you can be assured that someone is gay once he takes action.

[charmian]

Not having a gf does not mean 1 is gay and hooking up with guys who are best buddies are a normal routine not to be defined with the term gay. Ya I agree, you can be assured that someone is gay once he takes action.

Yea. there could be no other way den to see him taking actions OR asking him. provided that he wans to tell. Oh yea, someone ask me to type properly and get a brain BUT actually add into my rep points in this thread. wow. just who is tat freaking one? :rasp: BTW, gf or not gf. just dun break your gf's heart by telling them you're gay!! worst way to lose your bf. :oops:

[Nikky]

Ok, heres a question, why do u care soooo much about another persons sexuality, that u make a conversation about it on a FORUM!!!? & what the heck makes u think if they are lesbian/gay that they even like you. They are people too, they know when some1 likes them or dislikes them in a sexual way. SO GET A LIFE!!!!

[cowboy]

Well, avtually homosexuality and gay rights is a very pertinent social issue, especially in the US. Gays don't even have the right to marry in the US (except for one state.) So before you start telling people to get a life, maybe you should look at the entire breadth of the issue rather than just the sex and attraction aspect of it. There are people who build careers and devote their life to advancing gay rights. It is the women's rights movement of the 20th century, a very important aspect to the quest to further human rights on this planet. So maybe you're the one who should get a life. :dry:

[charmian]

Ok, heres a question, why do u care soooo much about another persons sexuality, that u make a conversation about it on a FORUM!!!? & what the heck makes u think if they are lesbian/gay that they even like you. They are people too, they know when some1 likes them or dislikes them in a sexual way. SO GET A LIFE!!!!

HEY. dun like it. den LEAVE. nobody is forcing to make a conversation ni this forum if you dun like it. you wanna stay in your nutshell and decides to have a life of your own. its totally cool with me. plus, if a person like a person of a same gender, wad do you call them? straight? sheesh. :dry: Plus, yea. NO ONE IS HERE TO DISCRIMIATE them. this is a open discussion. so? please, if you got no life, dun start telling others to get a life. :whistle:

[gbert]

Ok, heres a question, why do u care soooo much about another persons sexuality, that u make a conversation about it on a FORUM!!!? & what the heck makes u think if they are lesbian/gay that they even like you. They are people too, they know when some1 likes them or dislikes them in a sexual way. SO GET A LIFE!!!!

Hmm, I really don't know what made you say "GET A LIFE!". Why people care so much about it? Even if you are against it, pro, or neutral, you can't deny the fact that they are existing and deserves equal protection from the State. I don't agree with homosexual acts, just the acts, but I don't have anything against the gay people. They are actually talented, thoughtful, and sensible.

Even in our country, there's even a pending legislation bill to protect them against discrimination. So, Cowboy is correct. It's a national issue.

[anyabelle]

Nikki, I would like to see your post as a reply to the very first post you probably saw in the first page of this thread. But if it was a reply because of the recent posts, please open up your eyes a lil wider. This issue isn't even cooled from its hot furnace yet. Somebody has to speak up, you know.

[dagamezmasta]

ok quote number 1, 2, and 5 aren't trademarks of homosexuality. the rest COULD be (but not definitely will be) trademarks of homosexuality. but seriously no offense but you do need to grow up. i'm heterosexual, but i think really there's nothing wrong with homosexuals. i don't promote it, but you're just born wut you are. you can't pick wut your sexuality is going to be. you can ACT another sexuality, but really you can't actually BE wutever sexuality you want to be. so homosexuals are just born homosexual. not their problem.

[SimpleBlackHumor89]

that's what i think, peole say that homsexualilty is just made up, cos back in the 1940s, no one heard of homosexuality... but like that's cos they hid it. and america has learned to stand up for their beliefs, that's my more homosexual are willing to 'to come out of the closet' cos they're no longer ashamed of it. and that's a good thing

[laruku]

Hehe.. Do you guys know that in the 1960s, Japanese men behave in the way people would now call homosexually? They, the samurais, adore their fellow samurais, for their martial arts skills. They not just mated with women but had sex with men as well. For them, marrying and having sex with women is basically for reproduction. Brotherhood was more important that family.

And don't forget that the Greeks are mostly gay if we compare them to the standards now.

Scientists are still in the process of determining if homosexuality is born or acquired. There are many views but I am just to lazy to type them out from the book. :oops: But it seems that they are finding evidence that gays are born with imbalance of amount of testosterone and estrogen. :tongue:

[timeless]

ok quote number 1, 2, and 5 aren't trademarks of homosexuality. the rest COULD be (but not definitely will be) trademarks of homosexuality. but seriously no offense but you do need to grow up. i'm heterosexual, but i think really there's nothing wrong with homosexuals. i don't promote it, but you're just born wut you are. you can't pick wut your sexuality is going to be. you can ACT another sexuality, but really you can't actually BE wutever sexuality you want to be. so homosexuals are just born homosexual. not their problem.

Wow, that's exactly how I think. You can't change if you're homosexual or not, and it's not wrong, it's just the current media that's portraying homosexuality as a bad thing. I think now the image of homosexuality is steadily improving, and homosexuals aren't that afraid to come out now.

The only thing, I think, that needs to change is that people tell each other "omg, that's sooo gay." They're using the word 'gay' as an insult, something negative. I think that's totally rude.

[amz152]

I think homosexuality is fine. People go through stages before they find out if they are or if they aren't. They're still humans. Martin Luther King Jr. once said that this world should be free of discrmination......but has his dream ever come true? No it hasn't. Although racism has died down, other types of discrimination has not.

I personally don't think being homosexual is wrong. Everyone has thier own beliefs. Although i go to a co-ed school, I know some people who are homosexual, but have to hide it because the society does not accept them. And same goes for the bisexuals.

[babyxv]

Hehe.. Do you guys know that in the 1960s, Japanese men behave in the way people would now call homosexually? They, the samurais, adore their fellow samurais, for their martial arts skills. They not just mated with women but had sex with men as well. For them, marrying and having sex with women is basically for reproduction. Brotherhood was more important that family.

And don't forget that the Greeks are mostly gay if we compare them to the standards now.

Scientists are still in the process of determining if homosexuality is born or acquired. There are many views but I am just to lazy to type them out from the book. :oops: But it seems that they are finding evidence that gays are born with imbalance of amount of testosterone and estrogen. :tongue:
oh wow your post is really interesting! [the stuff regarding samurai]

i don't think homosexuality is acquired at all. i see where they get that idea, because it does take most gay people years to FIGURE OUT that they're attracted to the same sex. and besides, how would you acquire it? if a guy goes to an all-guy school, it won't slowly make him homosexual will it? hanging out with gays won't either.

[freebird_brown]

i don't agree with homosexuality... but i think people should definitely NOT judge homosexuals in whatever way. if you are homophobic or strongly disagree, well, go be friends with them and help them out. we're all here to help each other. i also think that people need to talk about this issue and make their own opinions because like cowboy said, it's very pertinent.
so wat do you guys think about homosexuality politically? should gay marriages be legalized?
i'm having a hard time deciding at this point. i'm discussing wit my roommate and thinking but having decided... so here's where i'm at right now...
i don't think that homosexuality is morally, physically, spiritually right. i believe that people were created for man and wife... not man and husband or woman and wife. BUT without legalized marriages, gays cannot receive all the marriage benefits that straight poeple get. furthermore, legalizign gay marriages would reward the gays who choose to be true to each other... i don't like the fact that the average gay has multiple partners. if gay marriages would get them to stick with one partner, then i think it'd be good.
as of now, i don't know wat effects legalized gay marriages would have on society. for example, arguably, legalized abortions resulted in heightened sex rates. but i don't know.. so tell me wat you guys think? and say explain your views please. and be civil. everyone has the right to say have their own opinions.

[Shay]

I respect all your opinions... It's really interesting reading what everyone thinks! This is what i think...but i'm not that educated on the issue or whatever...i'd be interested to hear everyone's opinions.

I don't think that legalizing gay marriages will make more people homosexuals deep inside, coz i think that that's just how you're born. But it might help make more people more open with their sexuality outside by having the courage to explore it and talk with other people about it. I think people need that support so they realise it's not wrong and they dont have to hide it from people. They can actually be proud of who they are. I think we all have the right to express ourselves as long as it's not hurting anyone else. I can't even imagine what it would be like feeling something so strongly but have everyone around you, including the legislation (stupid legislation :dry:), say it was wrong (which is basically what it does)? You would hate yourself....

And just coz "the average gay has multiple partners", we cant deny a couple who really love each other the basic right to express that eternal love for each other just coz someone else (that they dont even know!) can't get it right. Many many many straight people have multiple partners... i think it'd be good if ANY marriages would make people stick with one partner!

[oNEgumDRop]

the question on whether u accept homosexuality is really dependant on whether ure a religious person or not.. bcz i know many if not all main-stream religions reject the idea of homosexuality..

im against it bcz of my faith.
im a christian and the bible states that homosexuality is a sin.
if im not wrong, islam too rejects this idea.

[JiaYi]

well, although religion does play a role in accepting homosexuality or not... i have quite a few friends who comes from a strong christian background, and they have no problem being friends with a few homosexuals.. i think it's all up to your own personal beliefs, not just faith alone

[kasic_fantasy]

well, although religion does play a role in accepting homosexuality or not... i have quite a few friends who comes from a strong christian background, and they have no problem being friends with a few homosexuals.. i think it's all up to your own personal beliefs, not just faith alone
yup i totally agree with you...

i'm a christian and i feel that they are quite nice to talk to.just the mindset problems...some of them got sexually abuse when they are kids(especially guys),which then lead to them turning into homosexual.

i know of some famous pastors with that kindda background too...and some of my friends too...are bisexuals.

some of them turn into this is becoz of their childhood..some is coz they are afraid of the opposite sex...and some, is born to be like that.

the question on whether u accept homosexuality is really dependant on whether ure a religious person or not.. bcz i know many if not all main-stream religions reject the idea of homosexuality..

im against it bcz of my faith.
im a christian and the bible states that homosexuality is a sin.
if im not wrong, islam too rejects this idea.

faith?...what does this gotta do with faith? :?

anyway...yea the bible did says its a sin. but then come on try to accept them in a new way and change them and lead them into the right way.they are not freaks. :wink2:

[dazzlette]

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of homosexuals are not the way they are because of bad childhood experiences or sexual abuse. So yes, to a certain extent, most of them are just born like that. I was reading an article saying that there actually might be a link between prenatal exposure to testosterone and homosexually. Also, a person is more likely to become gay ( I can't remember the exact probability) if he had more brothers carried in the same uterus.

Oh interestingly, humans are like the only specifies which is largely unisexual, meaning they are either homosexual or heterosexual. There aren't as many bisexuals in our species as compared to other animals.

Anyway, personally I don't think homosexuality is right and I definitely disapprove of same-sex marriage. My viewpoint are largely rooted by my Christian background. But I do agree it is unfair to discriminate against someone just because of their sexual orientation. I wouldn't deny a gay/lesbian the right to a job and I have no qualms about being friends with them, but I can't accept the idea of them getting married. While scientific evidence tells me that homosexuality is considered unnatural and is usually not "a choice of lifestyle", I just cannot bring myself to accept it because the Bible says so.

[Marvdogg]

im sorry but that's just discriminating against homosexuals. just because they're different from some people doesn't mean they 'blemish' society. do disabled people 'blemish' society? they can't help being who they are, and i personally don't have a problem with it.
rascists would say that blacks or asians also 'blemish' society, would that be true?
and i don't know why being gay should bother anyone. it's not like they're hitting on you or asking you to become gay, so why not just let them be?


blemish as in what the bible also says about homosexuality

How religious conservatives and liberals interpret the Bible:
Conservative and liberal Christians interpret the Bible in very different ways. This leads to two distinct and contradictory sets of beliefs within Christianity on just about every conceivable topic. Homosexuality is no exception.

Conservative Christian theologians generally: Believe that the Bible was written by authors who were directly inspired by God. Thus their writings are seen as inerrant -- completely free of error as originally written.
The Bible is regarded as the actual Word of God. Thus whenever the Bible and science disagree, the former must be right.
Most interpret the Garden of Eden story in the book of Genesis as indicating the fall of humanity into sin. They view homosexual behavior as one evidence of that sin.
When they study the Bible for guidance on homosexuality, they generally look for proof texts -- passages that clearly and directly deal with the topic.

Liberal Christian theologians tend to: Interpret the Bible as having been written by authors who were intent on promoting their own religious and spiritual beliefs. The writers lived in a pre-scientific age, which treated slavery, genocide, mass murder, and the oppression of women as acceptable.
Since meaningful scientific study of sexual orientation did not begin until circa 1950 CE, biblical authors had no awareness of the topic. When the Bible and science disagree, we have to give greater weight to the recent findings of human sexuality researchers.
Most interpret the creation story in Genesis as composed of myths derived from Middle Eastern pagan religions. Many do not accept the reality of the fall of humanity.
When liberal theologians study the Bible for guidance on homosexuality, they generally look for applicable biblical themes, like those advocating justice, love, monogamy, caring, commitment, etc.


Since the two groups approach the Bible with different assumptions, and look for different content, one can expect that their conclusions will be very different. They are.

[JiaYi]

*baps Kasic-fantasy silly* ::laughs:: "Change them and lead them into the right way"? Please tell me you are kidding :P There doesn't exist just one "right" way -- and generally, what we consider as "right" is just what "society accepts as right". Of course, I don't always agree... ^^

Hm... I don't really understand the qualms about letting homosexuals have the right to marriage :\ Imho, I think they have the same rights as everyone else does to be married ._. If society has been willing to turn a blind eye and let them live together, why can't they just allow it to take a step further and let them marry?

[kasic_fantasy]

lol for your info i have changed one gay into a real man....

i feel that its possible. yup no doubt they have their rights. though my religion doesnt approve it, but then they are still humans and they have their rights...

[JiaYi]

hm... i dunno, if u changed a homosexual to become heterosexual so easily, I think he was just confused from the beginning :\ but why was it necessary for you to change him? he should find out for himself if he truely is a homosexual or not ^^; like, i have a very close friend who i consider to be 'confused', and i refuse to point him in any one direction when he asks me what i think (even though I've had like the longest crush on him :oops:) Hehe, obviously I'm not a big fan of 'changing homosexuals' ^^' I just leave them be.

[kasic_fantasy]

hm... i dunno, if u changed a homosexual to become heterosexual so easily, I think he was just confused from the beginning :\ but why was it necessary for you to change him? he should find out for himself if he truely is a homosexual or not ^^; like, i have a very close friend who i consider to be 'confused', and i refuse to point him in any one direction when he asks me what i think (even though I've had like the longest crush on him :oops:) Hehe, obviously I'm not a big fan of 'changing homosexuals' ^^' I just leave them be.
er...he got sexually abused when he was a kid...and became a homo...i know him for bout 3 years and er...ya i think he turned normal.

hmm you confused?...i feel so funny. how can they be confused with who they are?...but then ya you made a point there.

[Aoko]

Everyone's talking about homosexuality. I am personally fine with that, and I just see it as another way for human beings to get more intimate with each other. As saying goes, it's the inside that matters, not what's on the outside. So if your soulmate happens to be someone of the same sex as you, then that's fine.

However, I am slightly put of by bisexuality though. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but I think that bisexuality has nothing to do with love, or anyone looking for a serious relationship. It sickens me. *ducks for cover*

[JiaYi]

kasic_fantasy: Oh... I didn't know... ^^; That's really sad to hear :\ I hope he's okay... and no, I myself am not confused ::laughs:: ^_^; And it's not that hard to see how they could be confused, considering a lot of things play up to coming out of the closet or not -- i mean, if society say it's 'wrong', i don't think ppl would regulary go against that... meh, i feel like i'm talking nonsense -_- i'm so sleep deprived, so i'm probably not making any sense

MrSparkle444: Trisexuality? Er.. no comment.. and what's with the whole hot lesbian thing? -_-''

[kasic_fantasy]

sorry?..i feel so happy for him!!! :excited:

yea though we dont approve their lifestyles but then sometimes they didnt want to be what they are today. some countries they really have this sexual chrisis...and cozing the people there turning into homos.i feel that we should help in anyway we could.

i mean hey...it feels so sad to hear that someone is having an identity chrisis. :worry:

[judes]

lol for your info i have changed one gay into a real man....

i feel that its possible. yup no doubt they have their rights. though my religion doesnt approve it, but then they are still humans and they have their rights...

whoa whoa. wait a second here. hold up.
how is a gay man not a real man?
not even going into the self centered statement, but i find it shocking that you would call gay men not real men and then going on about their rights.

er...he got sexually abused when he was a kid...and became a homo...i know him for bout 3 years and er...ya i think he turned normal.

and i'm also bothered by the word choice homo. even though it's a shortened form of homosexual, but i've heard it thrown around the halls of my high school too many times. but it's my pet peeve.

yea though we dont approve their lifestyles but then sometimes they didnt want to be what they are today. some countries they really have this sexual chrisis...and cozing the people there turning into homos.i feel that we should help in anyway we could.

i would find that is the inherant flaw in the christian argument is the idea of 'they can't help themselves'. i'm a christian, and i believe that while homosexuality is one of the greater temptations faced by people. so i don't think you can say you don't approve of the lifestyle, but then stating that they don't have any choice in the matter.

and i really doubt that countries are turning people into homosexuals. because that would be ridiculous. no country is pushing people into a minority group who endure bad treatment from all kinds of people. i think you mean (or at least i hope you mean) that they are making it easier for gay couples to be recognized by the government.

which i think is great as long as they don't attempt to change the definition of marriage. i think they should abolish the word marriage from the government altogether because of the church/state separation idea.

[kasic_fantasy]

you know a kindda industry calls sex industry? :wink2:

sorry i dunno how to quote a post separately...but...

1) when i say real man means a normal man...yes they are men...only physically...mentally they are not.(or maybe some)

2) they have their rights even though they are not a real man..like what i have said thats the physical part of them...

3) hmm...or you want other words like the third sex or bisexuals? :?

4) some of people have this identity crisis....usually happen in their teens...mostly becoz of curiousity.

what i'm tryng to say is normal people may not approve their way of living...but instead of disapproving why not look into it and find out why they got into this and help them up...

[Vicluva]

1) when i say real man means a normal man...yes they are men...only physically...mentally they are not.(or maybe some)
Why are they not men mentally? What makes a man a 'real man'? I don't think a man's sexual preferences should matter in people seeing them as men.
what i'm tryng to say is normal people may not approve their way of living...but instead of disapproving why not look into it and find out why they got into this and help them up...
So you're not only saying that gay men are not 'real men' but you're also trying to 'help' them out of it? And by the way, being homosexual does not mean you have an identity crisis. Gay men have done great things in the past, look at Oscar Wilde.
you know a kindda industry calls sex industry?
Yes I do, actually. And your point is?

[kasic_fantasy]

sorry if i offended anyone here. my point is a real man only likes a woman right?..i mean normally guys fall for girls. get me?

[Shay]

what about the sex industry?

hmm kat so what u mean is that homosexuality is like an illness and we should all be more accepting and try to "cure" homosexuals?
well i believe that you cant help being a homosexual and its just something you're born with... thats why i dont think it's something that u can change, so i would say that homosexuals are normal. what's not normal about them? its only one thing that makes them different from you.

and why do u think only "maybe some" arent mentally normal? if they're not normal, why dont u just say all of them arent mentally normal?

hmmm i think judes means she doesnt like "homo" coz it has bad connotations

[kasic_fantasy]

hmm some homos...they are quite manly, like a normal guy. but some er...ya those typical homos.

hmm i feel that its more or less a mental illness...but not crazy or insane. but just some emotional problems...

gah i dunno the word :oops:

[Vicluva]

sorry if i offended anyone here. my point is a real man only likes a woman right?..i mean normally guys fall for girls. get me?
By 'normally' I assume you mean a majority. And if you would kindly define the term 'real'. It's not like gay people deteriate the moment they discover their sexuality.
hmm some homos...they are quite manly, like a normal guy. but some er...ya those typical homos.

Typical? Ah, I see you have been watching a little to much Queer Eye For The Straight Guy. Ever heard of sterotyping? You wouldn't like it if somebody assumed you were short/homework loving/etc just because you were Asian, cause it's not nessecarily true.
hmm i feel that its more or less a mental illness...but not crazy or insane. but just some emotional problems...
Actually I read somewhere that it's a hormonal inbalance, but that doesn't mean it's an illness, or that we should look down on them. Diseases make you sick and/or die, I don't see Carson dying, do you?

EDIT: And how can people not find what you've posted offensive? It's like saying black/white/asian people aren't real because they're different from you!

[kasic_fantasy]

argh i mean its something like a mental problem...

ok i give up explaining since i'm not good with words.

ya you guys are right.

[judes]

you know that's what bothers me. when people talk about homosexuality like if you're gay you're not a real person, that's what desensitizes groups into thinking of gays as somehow not people, or like it's a mental illness and that they should be treated. like they have a disease.

you are a man if you are born with the genitalia of a man.
transexuals might think otherwise, but speaking in basic terms, regardless of sexual orientation, you are a normal, biological man if you possess those reproductive organs.

yeah, shay knows what i'm talking about. i mean i'm not offended when people call homosexuals homos if they don't mean it in an insulting way, but since it's such a teenage insult. (on the bus this afternoon i just had some girl call two of my guy friends homos for speaking in a 'gay way'.)

so i don't understand how you can ACT gay or TALK gay. i mean it's not like everybody has a gaydar and certain phrases or words makes you more likely to be gay.

i just want to make sure you know the implications of what you're saying. even if it is on an online forum.

[hisashiluv14]

I think everyone should stop being so obsessed with their stupid gender because nobody freaking cares. I've always hated gender politics and gender issues. And men who have a strict template of how a "real man" should behave seriously, seriously, SERIOUSLY turn me off. I've always been attracted to men who're rather feminine anyway. The whole macho nonsense is stupid and I really don't care about your stupid penis so quit flaunting it. And I don't agree either that the phallus maketh the man. I mean, get over it, okay? I don't think that my boobs or vagina define me anyway. If we want to straitjacket people into boxes according to the kind of sexual organs that they possess, then we're just being absolutely stupid. And I still believe that society is inherently stupid, which is why we're still so afraid of homosexuals. GET A LIFE. I don't see how anyone can have a moral objection to the kind of person an individual chooses to love. And anyway, it's none of anyone's business if I loved a girl in a sexual, romantic way.

And people who're intolerant of those who deviate from the norm irritate the hell out of me too. I'm generally a tolerant person, but I'm extremely intolerant of intolerant people who are usually stupidly narrow-minded. People who use the word 'gay' as a substitute for 'stupid' are truly bloody stupid. Why is it supposed to be insulting? I don't understand.

And homosexuality is not a disease. You don't die from it and you can't infect others with it. It's not synonymous with AIDS. For crying out loud.

[JiaYi]

Wow, I couldn't have said it better ::applauds::

[oNEgumDRop]

yup i totally agree with you...

i'm a christian and i feel that they are quite nice to talk to.just the mindset problems...some of them got sexually abuse when they are kids(especially guys),which then lead to them turning into homosexual.

i know of some famous pastors with that kindda background too...and some of my friends too...are bisexuals.

some of them turn into this is becoz of their childhood..some is coz they are afraid of the opposite sex...and some, is born to be like that.



faith?...what does this gotta do with faith? :?

anyway...yea the bible did says its a sin. but then come on try to accept them in a new way and change them and lead them into the right way.they are not freaks. :wink2:

juz to clear the air.. i reject the sin not the sinner..
being in a girls school.. ive got tonnes of frens who arent straight..
totally didnt say they were freaks..

[zhuangzhi]

Homosexuality?

Bible says it is a sin. God cries for that I know for sure.
I hate the spirit of homosexuality, but not the person. I would pray to destroy the spirit, not the person.
God cries for that I know for sure.
But still in my opinion, those who are homosexual have to try hard to stop being homosexual.
Hey, God made every human perfect in HIs eyes! everyone is WORTHY!

Afterall, yea I hate the spirit of homosexual, but not the person.
Diao bu diao?

love,
zhuang zhi

[Jay'sGF_Kristy]

this is not fair!!!!!!! afterall every human being is unqiue INCLUDING the homosexuals. have u ever thought about how the homoseuxal would feel when they were teased, bullied and tortured by the ppl in our society? we should accept the way they are who said that they are different from us? just because they are gay/les does NOT change the world!!!!!! DON'T JUDGE A PERSON BY THEIR LABEL

we should accept ppl the way they are and maybe even learn to love them (as friend) and encourage them to change

[kasic_fantasy]

this is not fair!!!!!!! afterall every human being is unqiue INCLUDING the homosexuals. have u ever thought about how the homoseuxal would feel when they were teased, bullied and tortured by the ppl in our society? we should accept the way they are who said that they are different from us? just because they are gay/les does NOT change the world!!!!!! DON'T JUDGE A PERSON BY THEIR LABEL

we should accept ppl the way they are and maybe even learn to love them (as friend) and encourage them to change
i totally agree with zhuangzhi. :-)

Jay'sGF_Kristy thats how i used to think. i thought they were humans and its their desire to be whatever they want.

but then...God made ONE Adam and ONE Eve together to form the world....not TWO Adams and TWO Eves together!!!

[Vicluva]

kasic_fantasy: So, first you think male homosexuals are not 'real' men, and now you say they're not real human beings either? Why shouldn't they be whatever they want?
I can't believe you would view homosexuals in this way when there are murderers, rapists, etc in the world.
zhuangzhi: If God thinks everything he created is perfect, then why would he cry? And with all the wars going on, you'd think he'd have other things to worry about.

[kasic_fantasy]

since when i said they are not human beings? :?

hey is my explanation skills really that low?

i say...i used to think that homosexuals are okay to me coz everyone human being have their own freedom to do what they like.....okay....

[laruku]

Sigh... because you said this:

i thought they were humans and its their desire to be whatever they want.

You THOUGHT they were human beings. So in the same line of thought you don't THINK they are human now. That's why Yue got mistaken.

Anyway, so now you don't think they are okay anymore? And why? Don't they still have the freedom to do what they like? And if we go by your Adam and Eve theory, God made Adam and Eve to procreate. Homosexuals don't and can't procreate, that's true. But are humans put on this earth just to have babies? Many heterosexuals aren't having babies anyway, so what makes homosexuals so different?

Why should they be seen as different from us, the heterosexuals? We all roam this earth together. They put in just as much, maybe even more, effort into building this world that we live in. Everybody plays a part and to discriminate against them or even to think of them as freaks, queers is just like the whites against the blacks.

It has already taken them a tremendous amount of courage to come out and say that they are homosexuals, be seen in public holding hands or being affectionate in general. Many of them are devout Christians and while some have found peace, many haven't. This discrimination against them is not making things better. You can't simply change a person just like that. It's like race and skin colour. Why can't we accept them as they are and give them the courage and extend our best wishes if they ever get married?

Also, why is there a double standard for this? Homosexual asians are scorned upon, treated as dirt and not accepted in society, whereas gay marriages are legally accepted in other countries? The citizens may not accept homosexuals but at least they have the law to protect them and legalise their relationship.

Finally, if homosexuals can find true love in someone of the same sex, what right do we have to restrict that and say that it is wrong? What right do we have to break them up, the society as a whole? Why must we delve into other people's affairs, in the name of morality and values?

[Jay'sGF_Kristy]

i agree with laruku that's right what right do we have to break up them?

didn't God creat us to treat everyone equally with respect?
it is none of our business if they chose to be homesexuals
everyone in this world is guilty for a sin and we live to forgive [B]not for discrimination nor hatred ( does it make sense?)
are the homosexuals rapist or murder? if they are not LEAVE THEM ALONE

[xiezhi_renfu]

Hmm.. of course what i want to say has already been roughly sketched out by other forum members through their individual posts. Indeed, wkhwa could have expressed it in a more democratic way but that's still his/her own mindset. Or maybe, these words aren't straight from her. Maybe they're just copy and paste jobs? Haha.. anyway i'm not here to say these useless stuffs..

Being a member from a single-sex school, homosexuality is indeed very common. They're everywhere. It's become more of a behavior than a habit for us. Really. Out of the 6 symptoms wkhwa have listed, more that 3 occurs in my school and we're very open to it. Sometimes if we're confused, you might even ask yourself if you are a lesbian too. I know some of them and they act completely normal, just like you and me. The most they can do is smooch secretly in the toilet or in the open. Hey, c'mon.. what else can they do? We're studying, not flirting!

Maybe these people just find security and trust in each other.. and anyway, it's not written in nature that people of the same sex can't fall for each other? Just don't shun them when you do meet one, or obstracize them. Treat them as an equal. They're not some martians from Mars or something right? They are your fellow friends and earthlings. I hope the society will try to accept them gradually and give them a place where they belong.

[oNEgumDRop]

like i said.. it really depends on whether or not ure religious or not.. the religious more or less reject the idea of homosexuality.. and the non-religious dun.. so yar..

and quoting laruku, [Also, why is there a double standard for this? Homosexual asians are scorned upon, treated as dirt and not accepted in society, whereas gay marriages are legally accepted in other countries? The citizens may not accept homosexuals but at least they have the law to protect them and legalise their relationship.]

i dun think itz double standards as u put it.. itz more ot the culture and traditions within a society.. singapore being a young conutry still is very traditional despite being a global city.. thatz why it still isn't widely accepted in singapore..