[SG Talk] Singlish NOT Allowed at JCNET forums!!! Why?

[macdawn]

Hello, my fellow Singaporeans! :wave:

I think most of you who have been wandering around this forum must noticed that some newbies were getting scolded pretty badly, and some had their rep points deduced for seemingly unknown reasons......

Actually, there is a reason. For the simple reason that some of us here are so used to smsing on our handphones, that all the shortforms and singlish are used here.

y cannot use singlish har? Singlish gd mah, cannot meh?
we writ, ppl know, can alreadi!
tot like tat look cuter, y cannot?
.....

Nope, sorry, pals, no go.
You have to understand, this is an international forum, and we have many friends from many other countries here. What we normally use in our sms, and common conversation is not what others use in their country. So to make things easier for others to understand what we are writing here, everyone is encouraged to write in proper sentences.

Like I said before, this is a forum, and there is no restrictions on the number of characters we can type here, so why are we saving on words like 'wif', 'tot', and all the other shortforms? since we have time to surf through the forum for interesting threads to join, we might as well write properly so that others can understand what we're writing.

For those who made occasional shortforms, and singlish, most of us are pretty okay with it, but if you try to do that too often..... you better beware then.... because there are many members (me included) who really have time on our hands and like to track down newbies who persistently break the rules. We are not moderator or admin, just normal members.... but we do know how deal with such hardcore rule-breakers...... :brows:

Just a friendly warning, because I do see a lot of Singaporean newbies running around this forum posting Singlish like it is the official language of this forum. Well, better get it straight, English is the official language here, not singlish! Please don't go out there and disgrace rest of us who know how to spell and write properly. Just try not to use Singlish here, okay?

-MacDawn
PS: If there are non-Singaporeans typing in bad spelling and english, that's their problem, but we should try to at least watch ourselves. Because we all don't want to see anyone punished or had their rep points removed for something as silly as this. A little effort goes a long way. :happy:

[lattae]

Let's just say that it's neither intelligent, nor cool to type with bad spelling. If you think it's in, think twice...

U tink you bery smart when u typ lyke dis issit...?? I tink it is jus stoopid.

Sorry honey, end of the day, we are not impressed... In fact it makes me proned to reach for that button that will take off reputation points :dry: Soon you'll find yourself banned, or unable to access Jay downloads.

We don't want to do any thing nasty, so try not to antagonise us. Do us all a favour, type in proper English.

[laruku]

i raise both my hands (and feet included)

macdawn.. i love you. i really love you.. thank you for spending that time typing the speech out..

all you newbies... watch it... we will NOT hesitate to bring you down...

[macdawn]

Gee thanks!
*check rep points, still same*
:nocommen:

Well, I was reading through some of the posts around the place and noticed that this seems like a common problem among the Singaporean newbies.... Just thought we should get our fellow Singaporeans a warning, because I sure hate to see people banned. We are here to discuss about Jay and make friends, so we should respect each other and follow the rules of this forum.

-Macdawn

[fukakyon]

Hmm, take note of that. So guys be careful in future and typed in proper english sentences. It's not that hard right? =/

[laruku]

tsk tsk.. macdawn.. rep points addict...

i shall be a nice little girl and fulfill your deepest desires...

-edit-

it says "you must spread some reputation around before giving it to macdawn again"

*shrugs* not that i don't want too.. :oops:

[macdawn]

Awww.... Have I reached my quota already? :rolleyes:

Anyway, I think this thread would be useful, the next time we meet newbies that wrote in Singlish...we just direct them to this thread...... saves us all the explanations..... and all the eye rollings too... :laughing:

-MacDawn

[laruku]

that's right.. we can easily direct them to this site.. thread i mean.. *what am i thinking???*

eye rollings saved.... all those profanity/ranting/ mad emoticons can be saved too!!! lol

[pamujung]

yup I'm in, agree with you macdawn. not only Singaporean newbies, I also ever shorten some words. But not anymore, I just used to type like that in sms :sweat: don't take away my reputation, I already changed my habit.
Thanks for your concern :D

[ene]

That was long overdue post, dawn. Thanks for the effort. I'm pretty tired of being sarcastic to n00bs who don't actually understand that I'm being sarcastic :rolleyes: This would be a good thread to direct them to. Actually, it might even be a good idea to put the link in my avatar :hmm:

So if you eVEr fEeL lYk tYpINg lyK diS, pLLLLeAsE tINk TwICe, oK ?

Sheesh. I'll never understand how anyone can type like that. It took me twice the normal time to type it ! :dry: Do they have a special subject in class where they teach you how to write compositions that way ? :?

[charmian]

yea...i'm sick of ppl typing those singlish..even when i'm a singaporean myself..its just kinda sick ya? i mean i'm sick of reading singlish over the net..the 'lah', 'lehs', hai', 'wah laos', 'wah piangs'. its just NOT english..haha..but just what the hell is singaporean thinking abt wad is english? lols..

[Nikral]

y cannot use singlish har? Singlish gd mah, cannot meh?
we writ, ppl know, can alreadi!
tot like tat look cuter, y cannot?
what does this even mean anywayz, I have no idea! It even has horrible grammar and I know some people who are very picky when it comes to grammar that they get mad if its not good!

[ene]

Here's another question :

What's lolx ? Or lols ? As far as I remember net language, "lol" = Laughing Out Loud. Wasn't it ? When did it become cool or normal to add an x or s behind it ? What will it mean then with the added letter ?

Someone enlighten me please ?

[charmian]

hey..since i type that..i do the explaination..its laugh out loud. when ppl put the 'x' or 's' behide..its just simply how they wan the word to look like..just like when you type 'just'..its can be 'juz' and 'jus'..so..now you get it? =)

[ene]

charmain Thanks for the explanation. It's been something I never understood and was waiting for someone to explain :)

I still don't quite get it. Is net language was to shorten words, to save typing time, why would anyone want to add MORE letters to the shortform ? Get what I mean ? I can understand typing "juz" instead of just or cos instead of because as they shorten your key strokes and hence, save typing time. But I don't get the ADDING of additional letters ?

:cry:

[charmian]

haha..now thats an interesting question..just wanna explain into greater detail this time..you know when ppl put up a nick name for themselves..you often see 'ting' becuming 'tingx' or 'tingz' yea? yea..its kinda the same theory..its just how ppl wan to be unique in their languages..haha..BUT unique doesnt have to be singlish!! lols

[ene]

You spelt "becoming" as "becuming". Is it because it looks cooler ? So let me get this right. You're saying that adding 'x' or 's' or saying "tingz" instead of "things" is supposed to look cool ?

OMG. :glug: I guess I'm not cool then. I find it extremely irritating when people type in their own weird "cool" language. Because whenever I read them in my head, it sounds really dumb. Tell me - how do you pronounce "lols" in your head when you read the word ?

This is a very interesting discussion. At least I'm getting some answers here. Thanks charmian. Anyone with more comments ? Please share them :)

I guess what I'm saying is, it doesn't even need to be Singlish for the mods to ban people from this site. If you punctuate your statements with a million "cool" words, I'm quite sure you'll piss a few people off. Because as Dawn has mentioned in her first post, this is an international forum which means that what you think is cool might not be so cool to someone in Timbucktoo. Hence, what mods are trying to do here is to keep the whole forum "readable" and that would, I believe, typing in a way that everyone in the world can understand.

[charmian]

NEH..ene..i think you got sum of me wrong..haha..i'm saying its unique..unique in a way that ppl would know its you who's typing..another example would be 'haha' into 'hahaz' and 'hahax'

How would you pronounce them? haha..aniwea ene..You got a great deal to ask!! lols..i mean it in a positive way..you're like a curious child who ask until she gets the idea..haha..

no doubt typing in a way that everybody understand is a must for everyone in the internet world..however, each must have their style of typing of words..as long as its doesnt goes overboard..like wad i saw in Nikral's qoutes..No harm done. =)

it seems to turn into a debate or sumthing..haha..

And to reply..i guess i'm used to not having singlish in my english but forget abt the short forms..BUT they're not singlish for as far as i'm concern? geez..you ppl are strict!! haha

[eunicezy]

charmian.
Can I ask you what is ppl, wad, abt and wan?

You are not smsing someone here right?
There is not text limit. Don't worry! Just type in proper english like how you write your compositions. :wink2:

[danielle86]

alright.. i m one of those singlish user...
but i will try not to type out singlish when i m replying...

"its a habit.. cause when we, noobies, switch on the computer n start to type in short sentences"

i feel very bad when people don't understand the language singlish...
so i promise that i will change.

[ho_yt]

I like to speak singlish but I don't type singlish because I feel strange to type it as most of us don't type like that. I think the habit of writing singlish comes from typing messages in your handphone, people like to type short sentances in handphone as they are lazy to spell it out so they start to use it as a habit and use it on the computer.

[jayx8318x]

NEH..ene..i think you got sum of me wrong..haha..i'm saying its unique..unique in a way that ppl would know its you who's typing..another example would be 'haha' into 'hahaz' and 'hahax'


Unique? Like as in unqiue as the other 654,232,176 kids who type like that?
I don't see anything unique about it.
And I a native English speaker, when I read the Singlish on this board, I can't help but gather negative impressions about Singaporeans (kids). It sounds stupid. That's as simply direct as it gets. It sounds like you have a speech impediment or have an IQ level no more than 60.

And to set the record straight, we've never banned anyone for using slang, and don't intend too unless they purposefully do it to annoy us. That's not one of the rules. It's just common sense. Or so we thought.

[LuVeRjAy]

i am one of them... :shy: but hang on, i am in the process of changing my ways!! :oops: I am a Repentant nOOb...

[rachelle03]

I admit that when I started to join the forum, I did used singlish and short-formed words. But now, at the sight of singlish and short-formed word, it kinda just turns me off. It just seems to narrow down all the improper typing users to singaporean kids.

well, it's not a matter of strict or not but more of a matter of a common way of communicating with the rest of people around the world. When you're typing your way of short-forms, others might not know. What if people from the other side of the world starts to use their 'comfortable' way of short-forms and you wont understand? It's the same. :wink2:

I guessed this thread is not started to reprimand anyone or pinpoint out any members, but more of a precaution advice. Do the courtesy way and type properly. :happy:

[charmian]

HUh? sorry for offending huh? But i as much as i dun like singlish..its wad makes singporeans us, being notice and be different from others..i guess its just the same as american and british accent?

[macdawn]

hey, charmian, I am really glad you participated in this discussion, and not see us as just a whole bunch of nagging poeple trying to pick on newbies. :sweat:... Singlish is unique, yes, but that's only in talking, like the american and british accent... when we are communicating in this forum, we want to have a common ground where we can understand each other. Singlish and localised shortforms complicates stuff because people from the other parts of the world CAN'T understand what you are trying to say.....

I understand why you are used to using the shortforms in your posts, but as you can see, people who are not used to such shortforms, some might not understand what you mean.

One point I like to note, I am not sure if you know this, but the word 'cum' do have a meaning, and a meaning you might not want in your sentences. :oops: So, when I see people use this word in place of 'come'...... I feel like :crazy:, seriously.... if you know what that word means, you will NOT want to use that kind of shortform anymore....

Since we are typing on a keyboard here, I really don't see why we should save one letters, unless there is a purpose to the shortform. Like trying to put expression into the sentence, ya know what I mean?

LuVeRjAy, rachelle03, ho_yt, danielle86 I am glad you know about this Singlish problem, and are working towards correcting this problem. Like what rachelle03 had said, this is not a thread created to reprimand anyone, but to voice this concern, because there are people who typed like that and didn't think it was any big problem because they are used to it. I am just trying to let them understand, just because you understand doens't mean everyone out there do too. We have to be a lot more conscious that there are people out there, and that they may not understand our localised shortforms, that's all.

-MacDawn

[charmian]

Yep..i do know about the word 'cum' Of the OTHER meaning..its just like jay's fav word 'diao'..as long i know i'm not meaning it in that sense while using it in a right way..i guess its alrite for me? and probably not for the others..well..i guess i have to stop that word huh? =) thanks for pointing out too, mcdawn.

[chizzu]

i agree its unique and its kinda fun to speak singlish where only we people can understand. but typing singlish? maybe its kinda weird.

So how about manglish and japanese english? haha

you will laugh when you hear jap english. they pronounce 3 (three) and tree as tsu ri (in japanese slang). its hard 2 diffrenciate between 3 and tree :rasp:

[macdawn]

Yep..i do know about the word 'cum' Of the OTHER meaning..its just like jay's fav word 'diao'..as long i know i'm not meaning it in that sense while using it in a right way..i guess its alrite for me? and probably not for the others..well..i guess i have to stop that word huh? =) thanks for pointing out too, mcdawn.
Charmian, I am really glad you understand.... Good, I hope to see more of people like you all here, and around the forum, because you are willing to listen to our reasons, understand them, and help to comply with them.....

See ya around! :wave: and if you see any of our fellow Singaporeans posting singlish, you could perhaps take them here so that we could explain the rationale about our stand on Singlish and shortforms, okay? :happy:

-MacDawn

[fukakyon]

Oh dear, a major crisis for the fellow singaporeans here in the international forum.
Yes, I believe that we are too used to the Singlish, especially when we send SMSes and in online-chat services. Hence it becomes our habit, and gosh we need time to overcome this hard habit. (at least I'm trying hard!). We need to educate and warn them of the consequences if they still goes on in this way, or else, *bye, u outta here!* That pretty cruel, u see, but what to do? We can't bend the rules of the game arh.. Look out Singaporeans!! =/

[dazzlette]

what does this even mean anywayz, I have no idea! It even has horrible grammar and I know some people who are very picky when it comes to grammar that they get mad if its not good!

Well, since nobody answered Nik's question, I'll 'translate' for him..

y cannot use singlish har? Singlish gd mah, cannot meh?
we writ, ppl know, can alreadi!
tot like tat look cuter, y cannot?


y cannot use singlish har? Singlish gd mah, cannot meh?
Why can't we use Singlish? Singlish is good. Why not?

we writ, ppl know, can alreadi!
As long as people understand what we write, it's alright.

tot like tat look cuter, y cannot?
I thought that by doing that, it's cuter. Why can't I?

Actually, if someone knew Chinese and translated each word directly, that person could probably understand too. Singlish partly originated from Chinese speaking people doing direct translations into English.

I admit I used to end my words with 'x' and 's' and use plenty of short forms cos everyone did it in school.. but I stopped all that about 6 years ago.. cos well I outgrew it. When I see someone who's 13 or 14 doing that I'm a little more forgiving but when I see someone 16 and over doing it, I think it's just a sign of inmaturity.

[jay_fantasy8]

Seriously, I never type Singlish while smsing, in msn or even in forums! =) However when I talk, I do use them. Guess that's a different issue.

Some of my friends did ask me before why didn't I type in singlish of short forms? In that way, it's faster and much more convenient.

Wella, my answer to that? "I know I'm a pure Singaporean, but that doesn't mean my main language is singlish. It's ENGLISH!!" :bleh:

Hence, it's nice to type in perfect english though. In some ways, that helps you to improve your writing. :wink2:

[laruku]

so nice to see all of you participating.. :)

anyway, i guess the message is pretty much gotten through, i hope, that singlish is NOT allowed in here. yeah!!!

dazzlette, i have even seen people in their late teens typing in singlish, which just makes me raise many eyebrows...but then again, hope macdawn's post will help the situation now!!! :)

[charmian]

Hmm..But there's lot of people who are chinese speaking..but then..they could understand and not to mention..type english. However, not to the extent of speaking real good english..isnt that a bit too unfair for them? Those languages, singlish to be exact, just comes to them naturally..How do you guys go about to solving them? =) Anyone to answer my question? thanks a lot!!

[laruku]

well, we are not that terrible as to force them to use only really good/perfect english. we, at least i, just hope that tey will stop using singlish. simple things like:

instead of lyk dis use like this

that isn't so difficult is it? i am not expecting bombastic words or perfect grammer, we all fumble once in a while. it has to be a consistent effort. i know some of us here started chatting here using more singlish than we do now. we can always remind ourselves that we are in an international forum and nobody else besides singaporeans understand singlish.

and then again, i am NOT saying that all singaporeans should ONLY speak proper english and nothing else. its perfectly fine to chat in singlish with your friends in singapore. however, we must consider the situation we are in. many of us have constantly tried yo remind that we are in an international forum where there are people from all over the world; usa, uk, malaysia, thailand, phillipines etc. i understand that there are and will be cultural differences and way of speaking. not everybody's english is good. some members' english are so-so and yet we understand them. they might have grammatical errors or spelling mistakes, but they don't type lYk dIs nor flooding posts with meh, lor, wah piang, wah seh, zai, wad and so on.

[dazzlette]

charmian
Well, since most of the people who frequent this forum are below 30, I would assume they went through the Singapore Education system. English has always been the medium of instruction in schools and so there's really no excuse for someone to not be able to form at least some basic sentences in English. We're not asking that person to come up with complex sentence structures and use words which have multi-syllables.

Besides, it's not very hard to distinguish between people who know how to use proper english but don't and those who are sincerely trying to use proper english but can't.. :dry:

laruku I have some friends so use such short forms when they chat or sms.. I wish they wouldn't but somehow I can't really bring myself to criticise them.. but I do feel there are some more forgivable shortforms.. like 'u' instead of 'you'.. what I don't forgivable are the 'x' and 's' at the end of words.

[moonsilk]

I guess there isnt a big problem using Singlish as long the people noes who to use the correct language at the correct situation....
Singlish can b a more convenient way of communicating...
When we go to the market and buy veggie or fish,it does sound weird if u use English and ask:"Hi Uncle,may i know how much does this fish cost?"..."Can i have one of that?"....
Its is kinda weird rite?So it think its ok to use Singlish but only at correct situations.....

[charmian]

Yep..i totally understand that..However, what i would i like to point out is that..Not all of them are as well verse in english as sum of you guys here..i mean..then the singapore educational system wouldnt have to classify students into differernt grades and education insitutes.. well then..i guess they're on the losing side? =) BTW, thanks for the explainatino ya? i appreciate it.

[laruku]

i never thought that those who are not able to speak english very well are on the losing end... its just that they lack the environment (say both parents speak chinese or dialects) and practice.

all i am saying is that we can always try. try to speak more. like dazzlette says, its easy to distinguish those who can but don't want to and those who want to but can't. i have never approved totally the education system in singapore (maybe we could start a new thread about that?? a singaporean issues debate thread?? sounds interesting?). But i do agree that it is very much dependant on the persons themselves. i myself come from a chinese speaking family where both sides of my family speak either chinese or cantonese. but i force myself to speak in english whenever i am in school (with the help of one of my aunts who refuses to speak with me in anything but english) and outside. i got better, even though my english is still average.

i think i will start a new thread... debating about stuff is so fun...

[charmian]

Great! haha..that way..singaporeans can all come and participate and talk about the systems in singapore..haha..Great idea~!!

[ho_yt]

Well, if they wanted to change their way in saying or writing singlish, it all comes from the people around us, if your friends and families don't like to speak singlish or write singlish, you will eventually learn from them.

[lattae]

Yep..i totally understand that..However, what i would i like to point out is that..Not all of them are as well verse in english as sum of you guys here..i mean..then the singapore educational system wouldnt have to classify students into differernt grades and education insitutes.. well then..i guess they're on the losing side? =) BTW, thanks for the explainatino ya? i appreciate it.

Well, I'll not debate about the SG education system (dont get me started)... but I would like to point out some pretty obvious issues...

1) English comes with practice. If you are not good at it, and you INSIST on using Singlish as a substitute, you will NEVER improve... trust me on that one.

2) Humility to learn... We ask members to type in proper english, point out errors etc. and at the end of the day, it's about helping another Singaporean to get "accustomed" to an international forum. What do some of us do? Lash back and say that there is nothing wrong with singlish, it's our way of talking. If these people had some sense of humility, they would have taken the advice and attempt to type properly.

3) Notice you don't have Thai members going around with "Thai-glish" or Indonesian members going around with "Indo-glish"?? I won't say that all our Thai and Indo members here have perfect english, neither do they use english as a medium of communication in their day to day lives... BUT when they are on Jc.net, they try to use good english. You can really see them trying if you read their posts, despite some typos/spelling errors. I respect that... at least they are trying, some singaporeans are just simply lazy, giving lame excuses... In short, it's the attitude problem.

4) Good English is not about big words... I don't have a fantastic Vocabulary and I know that. However, that's not an excuse for me to spell badly. I am sure you know that "come" is spelt "C-O-M-E", not "C-U-M", yet you choose to spell it with "cum". Or like "some" why do you have to spell it "S-U-M"? I thought this will be taught in primary 1. No matter how lousy a student is, I'd expect them to at least know this after 6 years of primary schooling (in english medium mind you). Knowing the proper spelling, yet persisting in spelling it wrong, and worst of all, defending it as if you really can't help it. This I call an attitude problem... It's a matter of choice. If you choose to use Singlish, then don't blame us when we tell you that your post is badly done, and don't blame us when our fingers stray off to take off rep points :shifty:

[fukakyon]

You are absolutey right, Lattae. You have hit the nail to the head. Bingo.
Problems not lie with the english education in Singapore. I agree that Singlish is becoming part & parcel of many locals here, but when it comes to different situations, we must know how to react and use the proper language. You can't use Singlish when u are interviewing for a new job, don't you? Just like u can't use it in this international forum too. It is a matter of choice whether you wanna to remain here or remove jc.net from your favourites list. =/

[ene]

lattae and laruku Very very well said. I couldn't have said it any better.

charmian I think the previous posters have mentioned it time and again. I believe this site is not asking for the Queen's English. It's just asking for everyone to type in a language / style that everyone can understand. I'm sure it's not difficult to spell "come" as "cum", right ?

As lattae has pointed out, if anyone on this site chooses to type in their "own cool unique style" (as you have put it), how is everyone going to understand everyone ?? If everyone on this site starts putting "x" or "s" or whatever they fancy, can you imagine the chaos on this site ? Maybe everyone needs to attend a special school to learn the "new cool unique way/style of writing".

I rest my case.

[Angels on clouds]

Hmm....i occasionally shorten words like "you" to "u" and "people" to "pple" while typing. Basically, its the sms culture. To save time and letters, we type in short form and come up with so many alternatives to the real word.

There was a time when almost every word had a letter 'z' behind. Howz irritatingz waz thatz? :glug:

[laruku]

angels.. you said it.. it is irritatingzzz! lol. shortening you to u and people to pple is alright, most of us understand that anyway. its just some forms of shortforms or whatever that is absolutely crazy to even begin trying to understand.

anyway.. the debate thread is up... it may not be an easy topic at this moment.. i will probably change the topic every fortnight or so.. :D

sg debate (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6025)

[charmian]

However, what i am trying to point out is that. Cum, Sum? they're short forms, not singlish? BTW, i haven been saying anythnig about queen's languages. however, why cant we try to accept singlish? no doubt singlish gets to the nerves on me..but, whenever i think about it. its bacially just short forms? they're short forms everywhere!! Be it if you're from anywhere. There's bound to be some accent with it. Dun tell me you people understand what a american guy is talk and a british guy is talking too. even worse, listen to your maid, they dun have perfect english. SO, when your fellow peers are just typing short forms..why pick on them? they're not singlish. Lyk = like? shortform. Dis = this, shortform again. and many many more. shows immaturity? i guess it shows more if you're typing good english while speaking singlish. its contridicting. Plus, you scare people who are used to that language. PLus, its singlish. as you said it, not indo-lish, thai-lish. BUT singlish, our every own dear language..why hate it when you live with it every single day?! =X

[dazzlette]

charmian, you must realise that shortforms like 'sum' and 'dis' make a post difficult to read. If I as a Singaporean already find it difficult to read, what about other people? If you were typing an SMS where the number of characters matter, then perhaps you would have a reason to shorten your words. But in the forums, you aren't limited at all. Why can't you just spend half a second more and spell out the whole word and make it easier for everyone to read? :?

I don't hate Singlish and I doubt any Singaporean here hates it too. I'm sure all of us use it all the time when we speak. But again, you must understand that this is an international forum. We want to be understood, in a simple and clear manner. And the only way to do that is to type in simple standard English.

[charmian]

No doubt, but as i can see from here..whoever cant or just wouldnt type good english deserve you guys to take off her/his rep points..sorry to offend..BUT..isnt that real childish? just because you cant agree with that person? thats from my point of view, is really uncalled for. And i do realise shortforms may not be understoodable to others. However, would you pick broken english to singlish? its not even broken english, its just added with some other words not understood by other people from other nations. i'm never worried about me typing singlish. Cause i know my english. BUT, how's is that to others? you sure newbies feel welcome with people pointing fingers for singlish? i mean..WHY go to the extent of making singlish seems so worthless?

[msv]

whoever cant or just wouldnt type good english deserve you guys to take off her/his rep points..sorry to offend..BUT..isnt that real childish?

Whoever did that is really childish I agree. Rep. system shouldn't be abused like that. Their writing habits doesn't speak for the meaning of their posts. That's like taking away a person's points because you think their username is ugly. That's just immature and hyprocritical of you if you do that.

its not even broken english, its just added with some other words not understood by other people from other nations. i'm never worried about me typing singlish. Cause i know my english.

Alright, if you know your english, then lay off the singlish and start showing other members that you know english. Typing "lyke dis" just makes stereotypes about your "singlish" increase tenfolds get it?

you sure newbies feel welcome with people pointing fingers for singlish? i mean..WHY go to the extent of making singlish seems so worthless?

The members aren't trying to make singlish worthless. You have to realize that this is an international forum. And with international forum, you get people from all over the world. so people like me, who aren't from Singapore but speak and write english fluently have a really hard time understanding singlish. Proper english is a way to balance things out here, to make sure that everyone is communicating on the same level. And plus, if you can spend time typing out "dis en dat lah" why not simply write, "this and that?" What's the harm? Your comprehension skills increasing?

[charmian]

Nope, its just that why are you guys picking on them. Plus, english is a language used by humans. You play round with the words to form a sentance. Thus, singaporeans make it into, well, i would say, some pretty bad uses. But that doesnt mean that singlish is to no use..what i've been saying is that..there is a difference between english and singlish and shortforms and singlish. lyk and dis. isnt that shortform? PLus, did i use singlish around here? maybe you should check my post or something? =X plus, singlish is what i think is unique from singapore..no doubt we cant use it out in the other discussions..i'm trying to make you guys understand that Singlish is NOT a bad thing to be thrown away.

[dazzlette]

No one is saying we should throw away Singlish. It's just that in here, you should use proper English to be understood, that's all.

I don't know about other people but I don't take rep points off people who use shortforms or Singlish. Honestly, I'm the sort who tends to believe in the good of people. There was this girl (who's from Australia) who used a lot of shortforms in her post. I told her not to do and and well, she changed!! :happy:

I wouldn't mind if the person uses 1 or 2 short forms in a post but if the whole post is full of shortforms.. it is really very very difficult to read. :wacko:

[msv]

Have you not read my post at all? Singlish derives from english but its another form, from a different branch. Its just like Americans using the British measurement system. So view JC.net's as the American and Singlish as the British... more than half of the American populatin would be lost if you gave them measurements in British standard. Do you get it? That's how singlish would be like to most members here.

And you know what? If singlish is allowed here, then can ebonics be allowed too? wat if ah started wrytin' lyek dis ven kan u understand meh? its lyke dem ice she'z be wearun' up her neck ya huer me homeboys? I'm trying to make you see that this is an ENGLISH BASE JAY FORUM NOT A SINGLISH BASE JAY FAN and more importantly, its an INTERNATIONAL FORUM. The world doesn't revolve around Singapore you know?

And I'm sorry if you're offended that singlish isn't allowed here, but you know what? Majority rules. We can't please every single person here at this forum and we know that, but in the meanwhile, we're going to try to do what will make most of our members happy and comfortable with.

[charmian]

no doubt, but things that people all agree just might not be right. and things that people disagree just might not be wrong. i may give you the impression tat i'm some stubborn lady from singapore just VERY offended by the fact that singlish's not allowed. However, i have no problems about no speaking singlish. Just bothered by the fact that you guys is somewhat not liking the language is irking me. so..No personal hatred ya? =)

[jakinni]

Then what do you say to the majority of people in this forum who just don't plain understand the Singlish? What should they do? :?

[charmian]

WAIT~~!!! must put a full-stop to this. Or else i'll be someday who you guys throw eggs at when i walk down the streets. haha..its just that i dun really feel comfortable with the saying singlish just isnt accepted. YES, i do know that people who speak singlish cant be understood by those..HOWEVER, i have no intentions of like, ripping off their rep points,just like wad some do. get wad i meant? Plus, i just dun agree that singlish is bad. get me? BUT, singlish in this forum shouldnt be used ONLY when they overdone it..shortforms are really not singlish you see. =)

[dazzlette]

charmian, I don't think anyone here says they don't like Singlish. I'm sure most (if not all Singaporeans) love Singlish. And I don't think people in other countries dislike it too. I'm sure they understand that we have our own personal slang. It's just that over here, for the good of everyone, one should type in standard English. That's all. Why can't you see our point of view?? :?

I don't think anyone here takes off rep points just for using Singlish. Usually the people who use Singlish do other really noObish things too. Like repeatedly asking for downloads and make pointless posts. :dry:

[msv]

no doubt, but things that people all agree just might not be right. and things that people disagree just might not be wrong. i may give you the impression tat i'm some stubborn lady from singapore just VERY offended by the fact that singlish's not allowed. However, i have no problems about no speaking singlish. Just bothered by the fact that you guys is somewhat not liking the language is irking me. so..No personal hatred ya? =)

Why would you be offended over the fact that singlish isn't allowed because it confuses people, build more stereotypes about singaporeans youth especially to people who have no clue to what or where Singapore is.

No one ever said they didn't like the language, you drew that conclusion yourself. We merely stated that in this ENGLISH BASE FORUM english should be spoken to make INTERNATIONAL people understand your message cloud and clear so that no confusion occurs. What's the point of enjoying this forum if you have to yank a singaporean to your side each time you need translating for Singlish? :rolleyes:

-edit-
yes... why can't you see our side of the story? We're just thinking for the majority of the members here. That's pretty selfish of you in a sense you know?

[charmian]

Am i seeing things on the screen or wad? people are like saying that singlish is unreadable and wouldnt be good english. AND me drawing up the conclusion myself? =X thats an odd saying to start with. When people start to boycott that person and draws away from him/her. whats that suppose to mean? liking jim or her? or hating him/her? you dun have to say it straight out to know wad it means. its all in your words babe. =)

AND i'm offended because, why cant a language who is just not understood by you and some many others is considered as singlish? HEY, shortforms and singlish. They're different ya babe?

-- i saw it all. BUT i'm not asking you to put singlish in the forum. JUST to tell you and the others. singlish and shortforms, broken english. they are independent stuff to talk about.

[dazzlette]

Yea charmian babe, they're different. But usually those who type in Singlish, use bad short forms too. They are 2 different things but usually they come together.. :dry:

And I don't understand what you tried to say in the first part of your last post... :?

Really, why are you not convinced by us?

[HaNaBi]

I don't care whether this post will bring down my rep points or not. I don't care. I just want to stand up for a language that belongs only to Singapore, created by Singapore and will stay in the hearts of millions of Singaporeans who use it everyday in their daily lives during conversations.

You are saying that alot of Singaporean members made posts with "Singapore IRC short form languages" like "tot, tml, pple, noe, sch, wa lao, knn, kns, mah, hor, meh, lol, lorZ" etc etc. these are just expression words, that we put into our conversations to make them more "lively".

Now I will swing into my Singlish mode.

I don't see that Singlish being posted in the "Singapore Jay.net forum" is a bad thing at all lor. It's just that some of you people who are from other countries don't understand the tongue of Singlish only what. It's just like a person from British going over to America to work. Now this two countries they have different accent in English, in the beginning both will not be able to understand each other very well, but after some time of adjusting to it, It's fine. It's the same with Singlish, it's a language accent that our Singapore ancestors have created. i don't see anything wrong with using singlish when talking, or a shameful thing to be excluded. Or even using Singlish as a main accent with doing business.
If American, British, Australian and New Zealands can have their own accent in english, then why can't Singapore have theirs as well leh. It's just a matter of speaking good english first, then collabrating singlish into your speech.
Why don't you guys just take some time off to understand all those words you all considered rubbish leh? If you guys think that Singlish is wierd, then why we singaporeans can't say that British Accent and American Accent is wierd wor? It's the same. Americans will speak in an accent they are most comfortable with, same goes for British. so why can't we singaporean do the same? Must we be forced to speak in an accent which we don't feel close to heart meh?

What If we insisted on using Singlish lehZ? What are you all going to do about it leh? Ban these threads? Ban these people? Ban the use of those words you all considered "un-understandable" or "alien"? Now, by doing so, you are restricting the freedom of speech, everyone has the right to talk in something they feel most comfortable with.

Maybe some of the singaporeans in Singapore used Singlish in a very bad way, making all of you think that Singlish is such a disgusting accent, where they use strange words and sentences you all can't understand. But have you ever thought in their shoes? I would assume that they will also think the same.

after i read through most of the posts, i see that there is a misunderstanding. The first post was made because he/she was totally irritated by the structure of the sentence, the over-excessive use of the so called short forms and those Singlish expressive words. But I do think that most of you will understand sentences like "Why can't use Singlish lehZ?"

I always write sentences like "Wan watch movie or not?" "Is ting gd or not?" "Got any side effects?" "Dun lidat leh...be more on leh..." "Wa lao...u idiot lah..."

If you dun understand Singlish and find it strange, then why dun all of u just take some time off to understand this accent which WE Singaporean have created and collabrated it as part of our culture lehZ? Is it that hard to understand a culture?I don't think so. And after you have understood it, but still find it irritating, then well, you can use the accent you find most suitable for you. No one is forcing you to write in Singlish or your so called trash. We, who write in Singlish, just type wateva we think in an accent we are so familiar, and close to heart from the day we were born.

I remembered once I was doing a survey, and i surveyed a few foreigners, and i was quite surprised that they were actually speaking in Singlish with all those "lahs", "lors" etc. Curious, I asked them why they spoke in Singlish. They reflected to me that it is actually quite fun, make a conversation more enjoyable make the language stands out from other english accents, which just plays around with the changing of the pronounciations of words or like "organiSations and "organiZations"

Anyway, it's up to one's choice lor, whether they wanna understand this beautiful accent Called Singlish.

[charmian]

well..because i'm a stubborn babe? haha..thats a weird question..i simply admire you guys for putting the effort to convince me like that..not many have the determination. haha..

ANIWEA, shortforms and singlish shouldnt be classified together. SO? the point is that..i hate it when singlish becomes shortforms and people think that short forms become singlish..its VERY VERY strange, you know wad i mean? as in, i could be writing to you in short shortforms, but, wad if i'm doing gd grammer in my post? thats singlish? =X

AND..er..this guy updere? YES, you..haha..Great post? haha.. :wave:

[msv]

Am i seeing things on the screen or wad? people are like saying that singlish is unreadable and wouldnt be good english. AND me drawing up the conclusion myself?

OMFG! You finally got that through your head!!!!!!!! YES!!!! People can't understand singlish but they can understand ENGLISH!

Want to know why I said you drew up the conclusions yourself and got offended over a simple matter?
No one ever said they didn't like the language, you drew that conclusion yourself. We merely stated that in this ENGLISH BASE FORUM english should be spoken to make INTERNATIONAL people understand your message

Do you see now? :rolleyes:

AND i'm offended because, why cant a language who is just not understood by you and some many others is considered as singlish?

Gah, I swear, you have not been reading my posts at all!
If singlish is allowed here, then can EBONICS be allowed too? wat if ah started wrytin' lyek dis ven kan u understand meh? its lyke dem ice she'z be wearun' up her neck ya huer me homeboys?

And excuse me? Just me and "some many others"????? If it was only me, BABE, i'll let you know that it wouldn't take a whole freaking six pages arguing over the same arguments back and forth.

Bottom line is: Singlish, ebonics, manglish etc. shouldn't be spoken because this is an INTERNATIONAL FORUM an ENGLISH BASE FORUM get it? Short-terms like 'coz, lols are allowed but not when its "loOka me, i'm a wRyting lyke dis, U lyke lah?" OR "geez homeez, dat shyte right dere wuz hot lyek hecka yeah dawg kali kali!"

So BABE, how about try rereading some of my posts hmm?

EDIT:

HaNabi... you know why you're argument can be counter-attack? You're using ACCENTS as the basis for your argument. And you know what's the BIG DIFFERENCE? This is online, CYBER related! Accents are accents, but when spoken, you can hear them and can comprehend them even if its accented. If a british person started talking, I would understand them perfectly and even if a Singaporean started talking in their accent, I would too because I HEAR THEM. SPEAKING is different than writing and reading period even though they share a common boundary.

With writing and reading, we can't hear the accents, so all we can portray and understand is from the grammer and the way its written. You are faceless and voiceless on the internet. The only thing people can view and understand you is from how you write and the message contained in it.

BUT you know what too? If they can't understand what you're writing in the first place then they can't understand you and so you're voiceless yet again! Big shock eh?

[charmian]

well well, i would actually. =) and can you wait a sec? myhands are dying from excessive typing. haha

AND 'LOLS' IS ALLOWED? look wad i got as a over reaction when i type that. so..know you know why i'm so worked up. plus, i just wrote one 'cum' 'sum' and they get a huge reaction..so so so..JUST wad is rite? =)

[msv]

plus, i just wrote one 'cum' 'sum' and they get a huge reaction..so so so..JUST wad is rite? =)

Cum in the ENGLISH language is a very nasty word used sexually. You know why people got offended? Simple: its disrespectful and most importantly, we have kids running loose here. Why would we want to expose them to that word when in the first place the came because they liked Jay? They shouldn't come in here looking for Jay and then leaving and using the word "cum" in their sentences. While they're young, might as well set a good example right?

[dazzlette]

HaNaBi Why are you suddenly so worked up? I'm proud of Singlish too, but I still don't think we should speak Singlish to an international audience.

wad is rite

This is not right.

Shortforms like 'LOL' and 'btw' are widely used everywhere. Shortforms like 'cum' and 'sum' aren't. These aren't Singlish, they are bad shortforms. Often, these words come with a sentence like ' how cum sum ppl liddat?' Now, instead of saying that, the person could say,' Why are some people like that?'. See, it's already much easier to understand.

-edit-
Adding onto msv's points on accents, I don't really think that there's a big problem in understanding if you end sentences with 'lah' or 'leh' or 'meh'. You could consider that an accent in a way. But littering your sentences with 'jialat', 'kiasu' or 'ulu' is not acceptable. Moreover, speech and writing are different. I might end my sentences with all my 'lahs' and 'lehs' but I certainly won't type like that.

[msv]

WE Singaporean have created and collabrated it as part of our culture lehZ? Is it that hard to understand a culture?I don't think so. And after you have understood it, but still find it irritating, then well, you can use the accent you find most suitable for you.

Damn I can't believe I just saw this!

Look, I'm not singaporean nor do I have anything against singaporean. But don't go throwing that "you don't understand my culture, you're ingorant" crap in my face. You need to understand the fact that for the 20th time this is not a SINGLISH BASE FORUM but an ENGLISH BASE ONE.

This isn't about ACCENTS... this is about writing style! What you write and how you pronoucne it is different don't you get it??? I mentioned earlier that on the internet you're faceless right? So what they judge you by is how your posts look like and sound like when THEY (international fans) read it.

No one is forcing you to write in Singlish or your so called trash. We, who write in Singlish, just type wateva we think in an accent we are so familiar, and close to heart from the day we were born.

Guess what? I may speak english but I also have an accent from where I grew up too. I have an Minnesotan accent but I don't go around writing, "whyeee.... don't yuuu knoooeee?" to fit my Minnesotan accent.

Trash? The english language you're saying? Whatever, when you make an argument, try to support it with something and don't randomly start calling names or dissing other people's language. And don't even say that I'm dissing singlish because throughout the whole time I haven't, I am merely saying to you that this is an international forum, so keep it ENGLISH because as a "community" shouldn't we all communicate on the same wavelength so that understanding is mutual seeing that all of us are pretty much voiceless here but our posts? :rolleyes:

One thing is: YOU HaNaBi need to put yourself in another's person shoes. You say you're proud to be singaporean and speak singlish, I don't doubt that. But you don't consider that some members don't speak singlish AND some don't even know what the heck is singlish! Just in case if escaped you, this forum is ORIGINALLY BASE ON ENLGISH, not on ebonics, singlish or manglish.

[charmian]

GOD!! hey, what about 'sum'. its totally useless, i mean, talking and debating round with you. why? its just your idea..you get wad i trying to say? maybe its just your idea that people would think it in a sexual way..you know about jay's diao? in singapore, diao is another word for -_-". for jay, diao means cool..its differs from people you know?

hmm...and that hanabi..COOL IT!! people are just stating their point of views..NOt there to judge you..yea..you're pretty much protected by your compuer screen..you can chose to care or not..as for rep points..i dun think they will be that childish to such extent. yep..Cool it dude!!

aniwea...so its okie to say singlish in an not excessive way? i'm gald about the outcome..i've been a sum lady with attiude problem for days..i rest my fingers!!! thus, i rest my pursue over singlish. JUST no more stuff coming out as singlish is trash. haha..i'm go bonkers again!! lols!! Rock on people!

[ene]

aniwea...so its okie to say singlish in an not excessive way? i'm gald about the outcome..i've been a sum lady with attiude problem for days..i rest my fingers!!! thus, i rest my pursue over singlish. JUST no more stuff coming out as singlish is trash. haha..i'm go bonkers again!! lols!! Rock on people!
charmian Been reading the replies to this post and now, I can't resist but ask : What were you trying to say in this last paragraph ? :? I read it through 3 times but still couldn't understand you :worry:

What's a "sum lady" ?
What do you mean by "just no more stuff coming out as singlish is trash" ? Are you now saying that Singlish is *gasp* trash ? :oops:

And last but definitely not the least, are you saying that spelling the word "anyway" as "aniwea" is cool and unique ? If so, next time, I'll know that it's charmian's post when I see the word aniwea.

:thumbsup:

[lattae]

I just think this is getting idiotic... I don't know why some people just can't accept the simple fact that this is an ENGLISH forum. :dry:

no doubt, but things that people all agree just might not be right. and things that people disagree just might not be wrong. i may give you the impression tat i'm some stubborn lady from singapore just VERY offended by the fact that singlish's not allowed. However, i have no problems about no speaking singlish. Just bothered by the fact that you guys is somewhat not liking the language is irking me.
We are not disagreeing on anything, we are merely stating a fact. This is an English forum, so post in English. I don't even see why this is debatable. If you want an Singlish forum so bad, go and start one, there's not one stopping you. However, if you choose to stay, then play the game by the rules, with is to post in English.

I'll give you an example:
I like to drive on a particular side of the road, just so that I can see the plants. For a better view, I have to drive against the traffic, so that I can get a closer view. However, it goes against traffic rules, hence I don't do it. It's not something you disagree or not, the rules, set down so there will be no chaos.

We are not debating whether Singlish is good or bad, we are merely saying "No" to Singlish on this forum because it's an international one... How many times do we have to repeat that so that it sinks in??

shortforms are really not singlish you see. =)
Before you conclude that short forms are not Singlish, first ask yourself, how does these short forms come about. They are usually derived from our "day-to -day" spoken "English", ad to it some local slang/accent etc... It's a manifestation of Singlish, not a spoken one but a written one. We are using "vocab" unique to us, pretty much "made in Singapore"... using "cum" as an example, are you sure the meaning that you intend is in the English dictionary? Yet I as a Singaporean understand you, why? It's used here in SG like a wrtten form of Singlish.

As for why we can use LOL, it's because almost everyone understands it... YOu can't say the same for some singlish-shortforms...

Anyway, it's up to one's choice lor, whether they wanna understand this beautiful accent Called Singlish.
Accent is a pretty much the way you pronounce words, which only pertains to spoken languages. I think you are refering to slangs here :?

There will come a day when you'd realise that insisting on Singlish in an International context (like this one) is not going to get you anywhere.

And for the Rep points issue:
No doubt, but as i can see from here..whoever cant or just wouldnt type good english deserve you guys to take off her/his rep points..sorry to offend..BUT..isnt that real childish? just because you cant agree with that person? thats from my point of view, is really uncalled for.
No. I think you didn't bother to read properly... :dry:
I said: If you know how to type/write proper english, yet persist to write in a bad manner, you deserve reputation points taken off. ( I never meant it as a way to punish people who are truly unable to post good english)

It's not childish behavior. It's doing what is right...

1) What are rep points for?
--> To give credits to good posts and to condemn bad ones so that people refrain from making bad posts.

2) What constitutes a bad post?
--> When the post is crap, (which defies the first forum rules, go read), it is a bad post. It goes anything from being meaningless to the pure stupid.

3) What is crap?
--> Crap is anything not comprehensible to the majority of the forum members. Singlish is not comprehensible to many non-singaporeans, hence it can be deemed as crap.


End of the day, I do know, I do use and I do like Singlish. I just don't do it here on an international forum... It's respect for other members, period.

[stargirl]

Their has been some serious abuse of the reputation system in this thread and whomever did that should be ASHAMED!!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY REP POINTS BECAUSE SOMEBODY EXPRESSED A DIFFERENT OPINON! YOU WILL NOT GET AWEAY WITH IT YOU MARK MY WORDS AND YOU BETTER NOT DO IT AGAIN!

(i sound like a mod.... geez)

My suggestion is you start a new thread making this an official debate if you want to continue!

AND FOR GOD SAKES IF SINGAPORIANS ARE ALLOWED TO USE SINGLISH IT MEANS PEOPLE THAT ARE EDUCATED WITH STANDARD ENGLISH CANNOT UNDERSTAND THEM! GO TO A SINGAPORIAN JAY FORUM AND SPEAK ALL THE SINGLISH YOU LIKE BUT IF YOU CAN USE SINGLISH THAT MEANS CHINGLISH, MANGLISH, INDLISH AND ALL THOSE OTHER LISH'S ARE ALLOWED TO! THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL FORUM WHERE WE SPEAK STANDARD ENGLISH THOSE ARE THE RULES AND IF YOU CANT ABIDE BY THEM YOU BETTER REALIZE THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY!

You should be proud to use proper english instead of short mangled versions of english because that means you can speak the language CORRECTLY and you will gain much more respect that way!

But if you guys want to make this into a debate it could prove interesting but i must warn you singlish supporters you will be outnumbered!

[scarletwillow]

I once made up a language.
It's based off English.
Me and all my friends know it.
We use it in class, at social gatherings, and in general, the public.
Even though no one else understands it.
Not only do I speak to them in my langauge.
But I also speak to everyone in my language.
I know they don't understand.
They should just learn it.

[lattae]

Their has been some serious abuse of the reputation system in this thread and whomever did that should be ASHAMED!!!!!!! YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE AWAY REP POINTS BECAUSE SOMEBODY EXPRESSED A DIFFERENT OPINON! YOU WILL NOT GET AWEAY WITH IT YOU MARK MY WORDS AND YOU BETTER NOT DO IT AGAIN!

(i sound like a mod.... geez)

Stargirl... I completely ditto your point!!

I am not quite sure who you are referring to tho'... but for the records, I've yet to take rep points off anyone from this thread as yet. I agree that rep points has nothing to do with the expression of opinions...

Well... some people still cannot comprehend the whole point of rep points I guess. I think some of us misread the "rep point" issue as taking away rep for having different opinions. Which is not the case we are referring to here. We are talking about taking reps off people who can use good english, yet choose to post in bad language, causing confusion to other members. Now that deserves rep taken off doesn't it?

Now for those who are confused, I hope it's all clear...

[stargirl]

What made you think i was accusing you lattae? There HAS been some abusing of the system and the person who did it knows who they are... if it wasnt you you have nothing to worry about! i thought i made that pretty clear!

[msv]

Oh Lattae... its an issue me and Stargirl concerning a CHartain person here that I will refrain from using their real name. They were whining how the rep. system was abuse because points were being taken off due to their singlish. Well that CHartain person was soooo sneaky, thinking that I'd be as dense and wouldn't know find out about her hyprocritical actions with the rep. system concerning mean old evil me when a simple legitimate counter arguement was all I waited for. :rolleyes:


The woes of english! Burn it! torture it! Because who cares if its an international forum where more than half can't speak nor understand singlish? Let's do it out to honor that CHartain person.

[lattae]

I guess it's the way it was phrased... I sounded accusational... sorry, me bad :tongue:

give the rep thing a break... some people just cannot get it... In fact, sometimes I wonder why I am in this debate... It's pointless :dry:

[laruku]

god! this thread is getting out of hand. personally i think we should just stop all this pointless discussion/debate.

i believe macdawn has not forseen this situation when she started this thread. but once again. lets STOP all discussion on singlish.

i don't care if anyone wants to say that there is no freedom of expression (there isn't any in singapore anyway, so what's new) but SINGLISH IS NOT ALLOWED IN JAY-CHOU.NET. and that's final. any of you who don't like it can take my rep points away for all i care but that's the end of this pointless discussion.

for those who like reasons, here is why i wanted this to stop:

1) its getting nowhere. singlish supporters just aren't listening/reading our posts and trying to even understand where we are going from.

2) its already a rule that only english is allowed in jcn so this discussion is pointless

3) i don't want to get white hair from all those posts that were made by members seeing through coloured glasses which they refuse to remove

4) there are too many threads about singlish and i am sick of seeing the same points repeated over and over again


happy?

[msv]

You know Reene, just because you write out some logical explanations filled with reasons doesn't mean people will necessarily read it or comprehend it if they choose to be dense about it. :whistle:

*sigh* You do have to admit, this brought out patience in some members and sure taught us how to run in circles though. :rolleyes:

Reene, one more thing: Rep. points are crap, useless but they are here for a reason and sorta hold an "order". Everything you do should have a reason so that things are fair around here and if whomever is going to take your points away because they're piss at you for writing that post up there, don't let that slide (refer to the thread Karen has about rep. points). Gah, I'm going to stop with the rep. points already. Half the pointless debate was about it too :sweat:

....... I think this came to a rather nice closing end. No cyber blood was shed don't you think? :D

Hmm, maybe you ought to head off to the new thread Ene set up in the poll section and moderate that too? I bet you anything a "fight" will break out. :whistle:

[laruku]

sigh.. i guess that can go on.. i have closed the singapore debate thread's topic on singlish and started a new one. as long as this stops as well, i guess one thread on this topic will be enough.

maisee.. i am just very irritated and not to say pissed off at the way some people just don't understand. don't they see that so many DIFFERENT people are making the SAME point!? we are all going from the same angle and none of us has professed hatred for singlish whatsoever.

anyway, i better stop. if i continue i will start cussing like a sailor and i really don't think anyone would like to read it.

[msv]

:console: aww dearest have no fear. Why weren't you online with me last night? We could have had our fun and then ended it today! :rolleyes:

Like I said, I'm stepping out now. I'm done, vamoosh! Arguing this topic with certain people is like arguing with a brick door.

Well hey, at least you're singaporean. Apparently I was implied as an ignorant "american" not understanding the culture <--- whatever that means. :rolleyes:

come, let's go and play with other things now! Do you like Jay?! Oh me too! Let's go stalk him then! :excited:

[macdawn]

Kind of funny you know, when I started this thread, it was just a simple post to explain why we can't use Singlish HERE. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY, is saying that Singlish is trash.

Heck, when I am chatting with my Singaporean friends over the msn, I use Singlish all the time. But that's all done OUTSIDE the forum, and all those whom I used Singlish on, all know what I am talking about. But here, I don't use Singlish.

Why?

Because, like so many had repeated over and over, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum. We are here from all over the place, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, Indonesia, Canada, US, anywhere where there is a Jay fan. The main reason why we have gathered here, in this forum, is because this is an English-based forum. See? English-based. And we are not talking about just this Singaporean forum only. Out there, there are so many sub-forums, and everywhere English is used, not Singlish, or manglish, or whatever ~lish you want to call it.

Not that we despise Singlish. Nor are we implying that Singlish is an incorrect language. Singlish is okay, when you use it while talking with Singaporean friends. But as we all have tried to explain for the past 8 pages, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum. So we are trying to maintain some order here, by asking everyone to use proper English.

Because regardless of the accent used, the basic English structure is the same. Same sentence structure, and maybe a little confusing when it comes to the UK spelling of 'FamiliariSe' and the US spelling of 'FamiliariZe', but it is universal. Both the UK and the US version of English is officially accepted and recognised.

But Singlish is not. I don't think you can find in the Oxford dictionary the definition of 'kanna' 'paiseh' 'sian'.... So if we have one of our Finland member reading one of the Singlish-ridden posts, he/she will be trying to figure what, just what the heck the person is trying to say.

And when I say 'Singlish' I also included the various shortforms that are unique to Singapore, and Singapore only. I don't think I have seen any other members from other country actually typing lyke tis. I dunno wat is so gd abt e way tis sentence is. (gives me a headache trying to type it out that way) I consider it part of Singlish too.

We are all trying to create an environment where everyone understand everyone else. Just because you are familiar with one way of typing, the Singlish way, doesn't mean that the members of other countries (maybe about 20 other countries) HAVE to see it your way.

Sometimes, I think, having such kind of thinking only shows just how narrow-mind a person is. 'I write like this, so the rest of the world better learn this way, so as to understand me'. Contrary to what many Singaporeans think, Singapore is NOT the centre of the universe, neither is US or any country for that matter. Some of us here needs to wake up and see the real world. The world does not revolve around Singapore, and just because you are used to writing lyke tis does NOT mean, the rest of the world should start learning and understanding what you are writing.

If we are at a forum that studies the culture of Singapore or a Singaporean-based forum, yes, you can, and yes, the rest of the world should dance to your beat. But, in case you are mistaken, this is NOT a Singaporean-based forum. So, nope, you have to dance according to the beat of the rest of the world, an uniform beat. English is the universal dance beat here, and that is why you should use it, so that we can all understand and communicate with each other.

Of course, you can still insist on dancing to the Singlish beat, but then you can't blame the rest for stepping on your toes when your beat is out of sync with the rest of the world. Simple as that.

-MacDawn

[laruku]

hi macdawn... welcome back to your thread! :bleh: never thought it would end up this way eh? anyway its been hair-pulling... somehow they just don;t seem to understand.

[macdawn]

That is why I started this thread, to provide some sort of explanation why Singlish is NOT allowed....

Just because you dance to a Singlish beat, doesn't mean you can to force the rest of the 6 billion human population to dance along too. :rolleyes:

-MacDawn

[laruku]

didn't seem to make some people understand though. as you would have read from 8 pages of discussion. note how i don;t even want to use debate. coz its pointless. they aren't reading our points and we keep showing them examples why their points fail.

[macdawn]

Actually, this is not really a debate, because we are not trying to argue anything here. The rules have already been set down, and we are just trying to explain why we can't use Singlish here.

We can explain all we want, but if no one listens, it is just like farting into the wind. :rolleyes:

-MacDawn

[ene]

Been keeping away from this thread and just reading from the sidelines but I just have to say this to dawnie :

Of course, you can still insist on dancing to the Singlish beat, but then you can't blame the rest for stepping on your toes when your beat is out of sync with the rest of the world. Simple as that.

That was a most awesome way of getting your point across :bow: I would increase your rep point for the awesome post but I've already given you before and I can't beat the system :oops:

[lattae]

We can explain all we want, but if no one listens, it is just like farting into the wind. :rolleyes:-MacDawn

Ah... No wonder it smells like crap in here... I guess we should all leave already :rolleyes:

[charmian]

GOD! i've stop my piece already and you're still picking up a fight..i stil do intend to use my shotforms and as long as i'm happy. Oh yea, rep points? its just some crappy things that people make up. You see, this is a virtual reality. You can be like someone else and start anew with a new acocunt. OH YEA, msv, i shall just use your name here. i'm not having personal hatrred against anibody, and i guess that CHARtain person is me huh? hey, msv? you're gotta be nice to people you see.. and people do share different views that why there's war up and coming. Dun like it? then just stay away ya? like i said, virtual reality, its not real, i could just be someone else you guys have no idea and be a nice little girl. However, what for? thats is SO Fake. and msv? i hate it when people is obviously saying nasty stuff and uses some other name to cover it up. Its just not my cup of tea. so? try not doing tat huh? that least not to me. WHY? i really dun like the idea.

besides, you dont have the duty to make me understand. =) BTW, what you understand, others might not. one my last wrds, i'm staying outta here cuz i'm here for jay. NOt for the whole singlish thingy. i apologise for any mistakes i've made or you think i've made ya? however, i'm not that kinda girl who admits defeat coz the whole world is turning against me as i think that as long as i think my actions doesnt do you harm in anyway. i will do it. i haven been making people cry or killing people have i? so? i'm still the old stubborn me. thus, i'm staying outta here.

[rachelle03]

Of course, you can still insist on dancing to the Singlish beat, but then you can't blame the rest for stepping on your toes when your beat is out of sync with the rest of the world. Simple as that.

:winkz: last straw, i guessed.

*points to music thread* Hey! It's Jay's album release today! let's go, gals.

[eunicezy]

Do you have any idea why people are 'going against you'? They are not, really. They are just trying to point out some things to you. And you can't seem to catch it. :shifty:

[charmian]

Do you have any idea why people are 'going against you'? They are not, really. They are just trying to point out some things to you. And you can't seem to catch it. :shifty:

WELL, as i've said i'm staying outta here. Why are they going against me? i have no idea. dun wish to comment to further. Plus, its not the end of me. i'm just moving on to somewhere worth my while. BTW, i cant catch it? nope, i dun agree. thats wad i meant the whole time while people making it seems like i'm having PMS or atitude. :happy:

thus? i conculde that there would such a day when people dun agree withyou..its a learning experience. i haven learnt anything here thus i move on. time for other to move on too

[msv]

OH YEA, msv, i shall just use your name here. i'm not having personal hatrred against anibody, and i guess that CHARtain person is me huh? hey, msv? you're gotta be nice to people you see.. Dun like it? then just stay away ya?

Why do I have to be nice? I never claimed to be nice and you have to get it through your head that just because people share different views from you doens't make them mean. I actually don't like arguing with brick walls, but if they can spout words, might as well give it a whirl.

and msv? i hate it when people is obviously saying nasty stuff and uses some other name to cover it up. Its just not my cup of tea. so? try not doing tat huh? that least not to me. WHY? i really dun like the idea.

That's it, I'm pulling the plug and don't whine around that I'm mean, because you asked for it with that last response!!!!!!! So you hate shady people that cover things up right? So do I, especially me!

Ok let's see.... you whine about how people take points off rep. because they use singlish due to their different views right? You whine how its sooo childish of those people. Well, you're a nice hyprocrite don't you know that? You think I wouldn't know if you took my rep. points away and don't you know that you need a reason too in the first place? Thought you were being slick by leaving a blank eh? :rolleyes:

NO! Difference of opinion isn't a legitimate reason NOR the fact that you're piss at me. Tell me is that shady and hyprocritical even though you were just preaching about the abuse of the rep. system supposedly? Look at your reps. They're still there right? For god's sake, I didn't even tell the admin. team about your petty actions... WHY? That's cause I don't give a damn about rep points!! and I know about LOGIC and REASON unlike CHartian people who are being petty or else I'd deduct your points faster than lightening since you care sooo much about it.

Cuss the living crap out of me, call me mean, I honestly don't care, I've seen worse from kids. But when you start calling me shady, you've stepped the lines especially with your hyprocritical sputterings. I'm just letting you know that in the real world, whatever you do, have a reason for it. Its ok to stand up for your beliefs but not when you show ignorance to others and their beliefs too.

[charmian]

msv. i'm not picking up a fight. BUT you wan the reason as i might as well as say it down here and make it clean and clear. sweet and simple.

you, msv, is stirring up nonsense. you wan to play along huh? you see, its a singapore thread. you, an american, who knew nuts about singlish. why come in and join in the crowd?

next, internet is a virtual reality. in fact, i'm not unhappy nor am i sad about this whole thing. coz i know its just someone who love to put their views down on this thread and just wans to make it as complicated as it can get.

thirdly, msv? we're just having a talk on singlish. plus, i'm rating on your comments. its just damn it personal feeling ya? so i have to tell the whole world wad i didnt like about the virtual reality you?

fouth, isnt this on singlish? BUT i think some of you people put it as a personal attack.

fifth, now who's the fake one? tell the admin? and so? i'm banned? you happy? that makes the world goes round again? that makes it whole thing even more fun to talk about? i'm trying to cool things down. i know about my atitude, but i aint hurling abuses at you. so? msv? just pls, get something nice into your head like you try to get this singlish thing into mine? its just about the same theory.

sixth, i'm not even someone you knew in real life. so why the teaching and abuses? HEY, i'm not a bimbo you know?

seventh, one last thing, i'm here to read news about jay, the only thing why i'm stopping is because, well, partly because of you, is the reason that i'm tried of you trying to make it sounded like a devil is just doing her job as a devil should. You're not born mean, you can change it and look, i'm even aplogising. just leave this alone ya?

eighth, msv, i dun give a damn about you telling the admin. i'll pick up a new account and start all over again. that is virtual reality. i guess you know rite? Plus, if you can handle the comments i'm giving..then next time, be smarter

Go ahead and take my rep points. really, comparing yours and mine. you can do with that one point while i can do without them cos then i wont be able to share music files with regulars. i did that coz you're sprouting abuses and you have the rep points to lose. while i dun. you get it?

[lattae]

msv. i'm not picking up a fight. BUT you wan the reason as i might as well as say it down here and make it clean and clear. sweet and simple.

you, msv, is stirring up nonsense. you wan to play along huh? you see, its a singapore thread. you, an american, who knew nuts about singlish. why come in and join in the crowd?

eighth, msv, i dun give a damn about you telling the admin. i'll pick up a new account and start all over again. that is virtual reality. i guess you know rite? Plus, if you can handle the comments i'm giving..then next time, be smarter

Go ahead and take my rep points. really, comparing yours and mine. you can do with that one point while i can do without them cos then i wont be able to share music files with regulars. i did that coz you're sprouting abuses and you have the rep points to lose. while i dun. you get it?

you know... there are quite a few assumptions that you've made that are BIG assumptions mind you.

1) Just because MSV is american, doesn't mean she doesn't know anything about Singlish... especially when SG noobs run loose on this forum. Trust me, MSV knows more than she needs to. Besides Singlish is a slang... there are slangs all over the world. Location may be different, context is the same.

2) What makes you think that just because you come in with a different nick name we can't identify you... Trust me, you don't know how much signals your beloved computer is sending out... and Trust me when I say "WE will KNOW"

3) I am not interested in the downloads you claim you want to share with us. I'd rather have a polite member who doesn't share, than one who "shares" yet run around being rude to the rest.

4) You are seriously pushing the button and getting everyone pissed... Is this worth it?

[msv]

FOR THE FREAKING LAST TIME YOU CAN'T RATE BASE ON DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS!!!

you, msv, is stirring up nonsense. you wan to play along huh? you see, its a singapore thread. you, an american, who knew nuts about singlish. why come in and join in the crowd?

Don't throw that you're an "American you don't know my culture" bull in my face. How narrow-minded can you get? True this is a singaporean thread but this affects the WHOLE FORUM though, because outside of the Singaporean Forums, there's a whole forum/community filled with INTERNATIONAL fans. I'm not even going to voice my reasons again, if you want to know, go and read my earlier posts if you haven't yet because I personally don't want to go in circles with you. :rolleyes:

thirdly, msv? we're just having a talk on singlish. plus, i'm rating on your comments. its just damn it personal feeling ya? so i have to tell the whole world wad i didnt like about the virtual reality you?

Wrong wrong wrong. If you read the rep. system rules you would know why. You don't tell people why you don't like me... you tell people why you don't like the post! Gah, you're contradicting yourself there!

fifth, now who's the fake one? tell the admin? and so? i'm banned? you happy? that makes the world goes round again? that makes it whole thing even more fun to talk about? i'm trying to cool things down. i know about my atitude, but i aint hurling abuses at you. so? msv? just pls, get something nice into your head like you try to get this singlish thing into mine? its just about the same theory.

If you read my posts which this WHOLE FREAKING TIME YOU HAVEN'T you'd realize that I didn't tell the admin. team why? because I don't give a rat's ass about rep. points which you bring up with every few sentences!!! And why would you get banned over voicing your opinions? Read the rules.

HEY, i'm not a bimbo you know?

See, you're the one that keep bringing up personal issues. For example, using my background as an "reasoning" why I shouldn't voice my opinions here. And now drawing the conclusion that you're a bimbo? When have this whole entire time did I call you that or implied that? Show me the proof then, but don't sprout random crap in my face like this nor call me an "ignorant american".

and btw... this is the nicest apology I've ever had in my whole entire life too. :rolleyes: I guess I'm just toooo dumb to comprehend what you're saying and too "ignorant as an american" to understand your apology then.

-edit-
Thanks Lattae, at least someone doens't think I'm a damn ignorant american finally!

[charmian]

Definately not worth the more when people starts to hurl some nonsense at me.

basically, its just about singlish, why not go through and through the pages about who make some really nasty comments as such?

next, i'm putting my views. i'm never there to type some comments about how you type or talk or even comment.

next, dun like it? there's tons of people who dun like it. but as i've said, i'm aint there to boycott you or there to kill you or hurt you in reality. all is in your computer and well, the PC.

next, you know? you know nuts about my background. wad do you know? i may just have other computer with different connection lines to start with. den that way..You know?

lastly, this is becoming some personal attack. instead of talking about me, myslef and i. why not review against yourself?

finally, i'm speaking my mind here coz will, the net is often abuse as a tool to hurl abuses at people without getting known. i haven been saying anything about people here. So why talk in that manner to me?

polite? have you been polite to me? why not go and see wad you've post? see wads your reaction when you've just said something you think its not offensive when the whole commmnuity starts to hurl comments? just because you think you're right and tons of people who agree with you while i dun have any?

haven you see? all those to disagree with you guys have been the attraction to scoldings and rude comments. do you think things like that we'll like it? try fitting into my positon.

BTW, i've just said yesterday i'm stopping wadeva crao this is going into. so why the nasty replies?

plus, msv knows about our culture? could it be more then wad i know about mine?

[msv]

Fine I give up. You win. I was wrong. I'm the damn stupid american who came here hurling insults at you and called you name and kept bringing up personal issues. yes, me, its all my fault, I'm the stupid stupid and ignorant american who shouldn't have no business in a singaporean thread.

No one's stopping you from coming here, but you know? Try to be a bit more open-minded or in other words, less dense than you already are or else you're going to meet people out there that will lash at you personally without logic.

This stupid and ingorant american who is asain and speak her native language fluently and her native language slang fluently apologize for your drawn conclusions about others "attacking" you personally and not your reasonings. Don't blame them, I the ignorant american was the one who told them to do this. I'm the mastermind behind all this so please forgive me?

[charmian]

stop it ya? you're making it even more worse. i just wan you, msv, to think things my way, while i'm doing all i can to think it your way

[lattae]

polite? have you been polite to me? why not go and see wad you've post? see wads your reaction when you've just said something you think its not offensive when the whole commmnuity starts to hurl comments? just because you think you're right and tons of people who agree with you while i dun have any?

haven you see? all those to disagree with you guys have been the attraction to scoldings and rude comments. do you think things like that we'll like it? try fitting into my positon.


Oh, so that solves it... you think you are being attacked just because you are alone in that "defense"... I am beginning to think that you've imagined that we were rude due to your own self pity... :dry: Of cos you are entitled to interpret it anyway you want when we post... but be careful when you claim that people are hurling attacks at you when all they are doing is to "disagree". You are playing it way to personally, much to the contradiction of making all of this sound really "virtual".

Well, who gives a heck about how many lines you have in the house, or how many connections you have... World is round, what goes around comes around...

[lepencil]

I've been following this discussion right from the start, wondering when it would ever come to an end. That said, with the current progress, I feel it's for the best if we just put this discussion on hold.

Right here, right now.

Let the hot heads cool down first, let the tempers subside. Let the bystanders get a rest. Let all of us grab our copies of Orange Jasmine and give Jay our attention for now.

I'll unlock this thread when I sense things are ready again.

[Only chanel]

I think Singlish is not appropriate for our school Eduction as Singlish is not proved to be one of the standard language.As Singapore eduction system follow british english language. That why singlish is not good at all

[macdawn]

Oh, this thread had been unlocked again? Good. We can have some more 'sensible' discussion here, and we can explain properly the reasoning behind the rule that Singlish and any other forms of shortforms are not allowed here. Hope we can have something constructive out of here, and not let this thread escalate into some childish name-calling thread.

-MacDawn

[HaNaBi]

Hmmm..i think we should change the topic to something more specific like "Singlish not allowed in JC.net Forums..." if not people might think of the topic as "Singlish not allowed in normal conversation in Singapore..."

[lette]

but why cant singlish be allowed on the singapore tread?

[lattae]

Have you read the entire arguement yet? :unsure: I thought we sorta concluded that jc.net is international forum hence use proper english. We probably won't kill you if you use minimal singlish in the singaporean thread (but try no to outside of it). Thing is, even if it's SG threads, non-singaporeans do come in here. It makes others comfortable, and it won't kill you... win win... :wink2:

[charmian]

but why cant singlish be allowed on the singapore tread?

Hey! from a person speaking from a 9 pages experience debating over this question. I feel that i should answer this.

1) international forum - people just dont understand wad the hell we singaporeans are talking about. For one, they come from all over the world.

2) english - its just english they're asking for. Not queen languages. So, withthe singapore's education system, i bet everyone has the ability to doing tat. :D shortforms are fine too. Just dont over do it.

3) my personal opinion - though i'm proud to be a singaporean. Forum rules are there to obey. this forum isnt mine, i must be in the shoes of that of other menbers who cant make out wad the hell am i talking about when i'm typing singlish

[LuVeRjAy]

Charmian spelling error in your siggy... Take note please!! :rolleyes: :whistle: You spelt "sentences" wrongly...

Jc.net is an international forum... We have people from other countries too, seeing this forum... Anyway typing in proper english will make your english improve...

[charmian]

Charmian spelling error in your siggy... Take note please!! :rolleyes: :whistle: You spelt "sentences" wrongly...

Jc.net is an international forum... We have people from other countries too, seeing this forum... Anyway typing in proper english will make your english improve...

BAH! :excited: thanks a lot? Oh, hehe..since you point out my mistake out of your goodwill..i shall be one angel and make your post nicer! Siggy got to mean signature right? Or do you have a spelling error too? :wink2: Oh! i thought its [Please take note] and not the other way round? :D

[[mUsHrOoM]]

hello. shortforms are fine too. Just dont over do it.

erm charmian, like you said, short forms are fine too. but just dun over do it isnt it?
luverjay only used one shortform in her post, and thats siggy. and i dun see any spelling error.

and there's some people who kept spelling some words wrongly and when others corrected him or her, he/she tried to correct the other party's post too. ha. how stupid can it be.

[charmian]

']hello.

erm charmian, like you said, short forms are fine too. but just dun over do it isnt it?
luverjay only used one shortform in her post, and thats siggy. and i dun see any spelling error.

and there's some people who kept spelling some words wrongly and when others corrected him or her, he/she tried to correct the other party's post too. ha. how stupid can it be.

I dont really know if i'm like way too sensitive nowadays or is the post directed at me? :worry: Well, i just might be stupid. You wouldnt know for a thousand years. :-)

[rachelle03]

There's a chinese saying, "对号入座".
Direct translation: Sitting into the name (calling)
Correct translation: Placing your ownself into the name-callings by others.

charmian, if you are not like that, why should you be 'way too sensitive' then? :wink2:

[LuVeRjAy]

I was only being polite by pointing out your spelling error, Charmian. Obviously, I had NO other intention. :wink2:

To a mystery person, thx for that... And yes, I am 11. :happy:

[kasic_fantasy]

well i tried to read through the whole thread and i couldnt help it and stop and page 7...omg...why cant you guys just understand the fact that singlish is just a way of speaking?and yea,ok singlish is not allowed in the net we know that...i realised that charmian has actually tried to stop the argument but some people just kept quoting her past posts and that caused her to keep repeating herself...and thats how the whole argument continues...till its locked...and opened again....so hey...can you guys just read the last post before you quote something or say something?

[natgw]

well. sometimes u really cannot help it by typing out abit of singlish.. it has somehow became a way of tying for some of us here. but guess people here will try to adapt to it..

[kasic_fantasy]

yea there are people trying very hard to...but somehow some people just think that they did it on purpose or not trying....

[JianDan[Ai]]

The simple reason is because its not english. Everyone else here besides you singaporeans dont know what you are talking about, and the grammar is often so bad we feel embarassed for you. Its not nice, but thats the simple truth. How would you like it if we all talked in ebonics? Then you wouldnt understand a word I was saying.

Simply put, being as this international forum whose primary language is english, we will leave it at that. That is why other other languages either need to be translated or else no one will understand.

I know it may be hard to go against your habits, but in all honesty, if you want to communicate with people here, or even improve your english, you need to start speaking english. Singlish simply makes no sense to us.

[natgw]

hope.. of cos we will try our best to obey to all the rules here. but do give us abit of grace to get used to it at least ya?? we will try.. cheerios. peace. =)

oh ya one thing.. since no singlish. can mods pls do smth abt this?

Singapore (2 Viewing)
Singaporeans! Don't shy shy, come in lah!
Discuss any local topics. Singlish welcomed!
Faster come in and post lah, don't paiseh!

yea...

[fukakyon]

You cracked me up, natgw! For certain reasons, I'm laughing hard at your reply :oops:

Actually what jda and many are been trying to emphasize on is relatively important. Imagine there's no one translate a chinese article of Jay's news and just display in on JCN, can you imagine how bad it's? Similarly, that apply the same to singlish. If someone keeps using singlish to post in JCN, he/she will create a reading or communication barriers to those who don't understand it at all. Please kindly use English as the only language here to post & communicate along.

Be considerate. Type in proper sentences and this'll make JCN a better place to be. :D

[JianDan[Ai]]

hope.. of cos we will try our best to obey to all the rules here. but do give us abit of grace to get used to it at least ya?? we will try.. cheerios. peace. =)

oh ya one thing.. since no singlish. can mods pls do smth abt this?

Singapore (2 Viewing)
Singaporeans! Don't shy shy, come in lah!
Discuss any local topics. Singlish welcomed!
Faster come in and post lah, don't paiseh!

yea...

You see, there is nothing wrong, i think, with adding "lah" or "la" at the end of sentences. That's not just singlish, but almost all chinese do something or other like that. However its when you guys post in POOR grammar or make up your own abbreviations for words etc, that no one else can understand.

http://www.ssmu.ca/massa/spore/Singlish/a.html

look at that page. there are some good examples in there of how what you guys say is nothing like real english...(im not looking at the ones that involve languages other than english, im only look at ur spelling and grammar...) Here are a few examples of what I mean

singlish > english
Accuse me > Excuse me (i really dont see how anyone could make that mistake..)
Catch no ball > No idea To misunderstand
Don't play play > Don't fool about, be serious
Early don't say > Why didn't you say something earlier?
Fly aeroplane > A term used to describe a disappearing act. Often used when one has been stood up
Go fly kite! > Get lost!
Half past six > Not quite there. Used to describe incompetence
How can? > How is that possible? Used to express disbelief
Is it? > A generic question used in various forms. In most cases, it appears at the end of a statment. It can also be used to express skepticism. It often replaces 'do you?' or 'have you?' or 'is that so?
Never see before > So what? Have you never seen this before?
No stock already > We don't have it in stock.


ok thats enough, u can look at more in your own time...you may have never used these particular phrases but it is quite close enough to the type of grammr you guys use which no one else can understand

another thing, which is not driected only to singaporeans, but when you change the spelling of a word (such as "you" to "u") this type of abbreviation is usually used to make things easier to type more quickly. however if your new spelling is longer than the original word...it should go without saying, you are a moron...i have seen, im sorry to say, many singaporeans who take words and really mess up the spelling and dont make it any shorter (for example i have seen "always" spelled as "olweiz") not only does it not sound the same...it simply make you look stupid. =/

[natgw]

yea we got the message you are trying to convey to us. thanks.. true enough. since this is a website for international fans of jay, and not just singaporeans. lets all use proper english and have jcnet a better place to be.. =)

[kasic_fantasy]

yea i surrender to that...coz the net is helping me to improve my english... :D

[natgw]

You cracked me up, natgw! For certain reasons, I'm laughing hard at your reply :oops:

Actually what jda and many are been trying to emphasize on is relatively important. Imagine there's no one translate a chinese article of Jay's news and just display in on JCN, can you imagine how bad it's? Similarly, that apply the same to singlish. If someone keeps using singlish to post in JCN, he/she will create a reading or communication barriers to those who don't understand it at all. Please kindly use English as the only language here to post & communicate along.

Be considerate. Type in proper sentences and this'll make JCN a better place to be. :D


haha. didnt realise that post would crack you up. i quote it cause i find it rather contridicting you see. one moment it says no singlish. but on the other hand it says dun paiseh. singlish welcome. hehe. =)

[macdawn]

Okay, although this thread has been pretty quiet for a while, lately I feel that there is a need to revive it because I do see signs of people overlooking this matter again. I had noticed that of late, the some of the newbies are not aware of the rules of the forum. As this being my pet peeve, I feel the need to assert my 'mature' self :whistle:

Like I said before:

This is an international forum, and we have a lot of people here from all over the world, sharing information online and replying to posts. So, people would appreciate that we (the Singaporeans especially) try to post in proper english, and not use singlish.

By singlish, I also include shortforms, and all other non-grammatical style of writing. I think there are enough examples given in the previous posts.

I know this sounds terrible, but I have to say that, persistent use of singlish and 'sms' style of shortforms by some of the Singaporean members' has given the rest of the Singaporean members a very bad reputation.

Please, we are all representing our country here, let's try not to disgrace Singapore too much :sweat:

-MacDawn

[eimiie]

I stumbled on this thread and I must say, although I'm not from Singapore, and English is the language I know best, I used to type pretty awful too. Now after coming to JC.net, I've learned to type better, in full sentences or somewhat. And yes, we should all type properly. And this shouldn't only go out to Singaporeans, but also to other members as well. :sweat:

[macdawn]

Well, the rule applies to everyone, but for reasons unknown, when I read posts with really bad spelling, more often than not, 'Singapore' appears in the location column of the poster's profile :sweat:

I don't know, perhaps, nowadays, we are teaching an additional language in schools?

"English as sms language"
Syllabus includes:
-how 2 spell lyke tis
-ThE ArT oF BoUnCiNg CaPs
-grammatically incorrectness
-wen 2 use 'aniwae', 'ani', 'sae'
-the art of replacement spelling, replacing 'y' with 'i' (as in 'realli' ), using numbers in place of words (2 instead of to)

If there is, I think I am going to flunk this subject for sure :dry:

-MacDawn

[j0ty]

This rule that is constantly enforced is really good for everyone. Hey guys (yeah I mean you, the one who can't help typing in Singlish), don't you find it tiring to type in Singlish sometimes. Especially what macdawn mentioned, the "ThE BoUnCiNg CaPs" art. Post more in proper english and I bet your english is going to improve soon. Just think about that, your english teacher would be so glad! http://cybergifs.com/faces/rofl.gif

[hamtaro]

In the past, i used a lot of '2'(replacement of to or too) and '4' (for replacement of for) Now, after looking at this post, i then know it's not allowed. (Fortunately, i did not type lots of singlish when i post)Anyway, is this considered singlish? Or is this just not a proper way of writing/typing?

Can i use 'u' instead of 'you'?
'y' instead of 'why'?
'eg' for 'example'?
'etc' ?
'pic' -> 'picture'?
'dl' ->download?
What is grammatically incorrectness? Can give examples?

[mysadworld]

i think its better not to type singlish here in jcnet because jcnet doesnt belong solely to singapore users.in fact there are many other people from countries like california,malaysia etc who are members.what if they cant understand what we are typing?it will certainly become a big headache.furthurmore.since singapore government has been encouraging us to speak good english,i guess it does apply to how we write english too.i believe the way we speak as well as the way we write shows how strong our language is.you cant just speak well but type singlish right?so i guess we shant complain and try our best to stop writing in singlish and maybe even stop typing our sentences in short forms.it can improve how we write our compo and everything.i dont think anyone here would like to have their compo scripts filled with red circles because they wrote "u" instead of "you" or "rite" instead of "write"

so start now by typing good english here in jcnet!=)

[cs_omigosh]

Haha..i realised that Singaporeans like to use shortforms.
I have this project mate who is an exchange student from USA, he would always be confused when we have group chats in msn..as he could not understand our short forms..haha..

E.g I cannot std the weather. So hot!

The exchange student was shocked..cos he thought std = STD...i think u all know what i mean ah..? =) haha

[hamtaro]

Haha..i realised that Singaporeans like to use shortforms.
I have this project mate who is an exchange student from USA, he would always be confused when we have group chats in msn..as he could not understand our short forms..haha..

E.g I cannot std the weather. So hot!

The exchange student was shocked..cos he thought std = STD...i think u all know what i mean ah..? =) haha

huh? that's funny!
well, i dont write std for stand. So other people wont misunderstood me, lol. :D

Actually i also saw quite a number of non-singaporeans typing in singlish or shortforms.

[laruku]

Actually i also saw quite a number of non-singaporeans typing in singlish or shortforms.
Depends on what you saw. Some of those shortforms are universally known, e.g. lol, atm, imo...

But Dawn wrote the first post because there was (and still is) an influx of terrible English from Singaporeans. Examples are stated very so often. ThEy TyPe LyK DiS, tok lik dis, canot spel, lousy grammer, lovez 2 chang tings here n dere...

Not everyone in JCNet understands such things and as reiterated time and again, most of us do not have the spare time to read every single post carefully. There are so many threads to read and only so much time. If people type horrendously, it slows us down and makes it very very irritating to read.

[macdawn]

Apparently, we Singaporeans are so used to messaging our friends on the handphone, that a lot of us here forgot how to spell already. That's the main reason why I started this thread a lot time ago.

I admit, there are some non-singaporeans here who typed in shortform, but more often than not, it is the Singaporeans who used some localised shortform that made it very difficult for others to read what they are trying so say.

We don't fault people if English is not their native langauge, but we Singaporeans, whose first language is English, we should be a bit more mindful of what we are writing. Especially when there is no word/letter limit here in the forum, there is really no justifications for the use of words like : lyk, cum :glug: gr8, dis, dat..... and those numerical replacements like 2 for 'to' and 4 for 'for'...

Since this thread has been revive, can I make a plead for all Singaporeans here, and non-singaporeans who read this, please, do refrain from using shortforms. Other than the fact that it is already stated in the forum rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152) that such languages are not allowed, it is also anti social, because such shortforms makes reading really difficult.

Would really appreciate if everyone makes an effort to refrain from using shortforms especially localised shortforms.

-MacDawn

[smilepiggy]

hmm, well actually i'm quite gulity of using sms style english around here :shy: like, replacing you with 'u' and tomorrow with 'tmr'.

alright ma'ams and sirs! i'll make a conscious effort to type in proper english sentences! :opps:

[jing]

I think that Singlish is 'OK' for me. Well, not every singaporean WRITES in Singlish. :rasp:
I mean the singaporeans lived and grew up in singapore so it is quite difficult to SPEAK proper English. But it's not a problem for us to write an 'understandable 'English. Being influenced by the westerners, the early generations in Singapore learn 'broken English' as there were no proper education provided. But as the younger generations in Singapore receives proper education, Singapore is progressing steadily. Anyway, it's Singlish that makes Singapore unique. :shy: Every country has its own slang. Singlish is Singapore's slang. Stay cool Singapore! :-) :wave:

[macdawn]

jing, we are not against Singlish in general, but what we are saying here is, because this is an INTERNATIONAL forum, when we are posting out the Singapore forum, we should refrain from posting in Singlish, because non-Singaporeans will have difficulty trying to understand what we are writing.

-MacDawn

[mysadworld]

yes jing...writing singlish will become a form of habit..you will regret soon as you will find yourself writing improper english in your compo.you think you can scrap through your english during Os with that standard?

[laruku]

I think that Singlish is 'OK' for me. Well, not every singaporean WRITES in Singlish.
Yes, I agree not every Singaporean WRITES in Singlish. This thread is specifically targeted at those who do. So those who don't, you are basically not in the target audience.

I mean the singaporeans lived and grew up in singapore so it is quite difficult to SPEAK proper English. But it's not a problem for us to write an 'understandable 'English. Being influenced by the westerners, the early generations in Singapore learn 'broken English' as there were no proper education provided. But as the younger generations in Singapore receives proper education, Singapore is progressing steadily.
Why should it be difficult for us to speak in proper English? We are TAUGHT Queen's English so why are we using non-standard English? I have to say, it IS a problem for Singaporeans in terms of writing what you call 'understandable English'. Believe me, this forum has shown us all the different ways you can type. I remember some time back, there was this newspaper article on how Singaporean teenagers are beginning to use their SMS language into their essays, substituting 'u' for 'you' and such. This shouldn't be happening if we are 'properly educated' in your words.

I think by 'older' generations you mean our grandparent's generation? Yes. To that I'd agree that they can't exactly speak very proper English. But most of our parents can if they had not studied in Chinese schools. On the contrary, the younger generations' English is deteriorating. People MY age can speak fairly good English, albeit not perfect and with a lack of good vocab. Those born in the '90s and the late '80s are so used to the SMS lingo, like Dawn mentioned, that they have lost grammer, tense and everything.

Anyway, it's Singlish that makes Singapore unique. Every country has its own slang. Singlish is Singapore's slang. Stay cool Singapore!
I agree every country has its own slang. And singlish IS ours. BUT, like mentioned time and again, this IS an international forum. If others can't understand OUR slang, why use it? We are communicating with people NOT in Singapore and if sometimes even Singaporeans don't understand what fellow Singaporeans are writing, how do you expect others to?

[jjjaaayyy]

its not true that singlish will cause pple's eng to deteroiate look at me i use singlish but i got A1 for O lvl eng =)
but this is an international forum and singaporeans should just stick with proper or at least understandable english

[lattae]

its not true that singlish will cause pple's eng to deteroiate look at me i use singlish but i got A1 for O lvl eng =)
Oh well... you don't need the entire cohort having good english standard before A1s appear. Heard of such thing as moderation? And if I am not mistaken, the moderation is based on the results of the singaporean candidates. Say if your cohort scores 30/100 on average, and you do a 50/100, you'll get A1, but does that mean that your English is good by the cambridge standard? I doubt it.

There is such thing as a Bell Curve in statistics you know. :rolleyes: (We don't mind sharing the little we know of it after years in the education system.) And we will have to do the moderation basically, since if everyone fails, no one will be able to proceed to JC/poly.

Personally I doubt you know when Singlish ends and where standard English starts. (ie, I strongly believe that if you are a die-hard singlish speaker, you cannot speak 100% english without singlish contamination).

[laruku]

its not true that singlish will cause pple's eng to deteroiate look at me i use singlish but i got A1 for O lvl eng =)
but this is an international forum and singaporeans should just stick with proper or at least understandable english
Ok... So you've got A1 for O'levels English. But, didn't your teachers teach you proper PUNCTUATION???????

[jayx8318x]

In the past, i used a lot of '2'(replacement of to or too) and '4' (for replacement of for) Now, after looking at this post, i then know it's not allowed. (Fortunately, i did not type lots of singlish when i post)Anyway, is this considered singlish? Or is this just not a proper way of writing/typing?

Can i use 'u' instead of 'you'?
'y' instead of 'why'?
'eg' for 'example'?
'etc' ?
'pic' -> 'picture'?
'dl' ->download?
What is grammatically incorrectness? Can give examples?

The key is use in moderation. We can't outright forbid it entirely. I mean I admit sometimes I write "Cuz" for because and "dunno" for don't know. But as long as my post isn't over 50% shorthand, it is ok.

Compare the posts on the bottom for examples.

Bad post:
y do u post e pics 4 dl?

Acceptable post:
Why do u post the pics for download?


See the difference?

[fallenheartz]

Oh well... you don't need the entire cohort having good english standard before A1s appear. Heard of such thing as moderation? And if I am not mistaken, the moderation is based on the results of the singaporean candidates. Say if your cohort scores 30/100 on average, and you do a 50/100, you'll get A1, but does that mean that your English is good by the cambridge standard? I doubt it.

There is such thing as a Bell Curve in statistics you know. :rolleyes: (We don't mind sharing the little we know of it after years in the education system.) And we will have to do the moderation basically, since if everyone fails, no one will be able to proceed to JC/poly.

Personally I doubt you know when Singlish ends and where standard English starts. (ie, I strongly believe that if you are a die-hard singlish speaker, you cannot speak 100% english without singlish contamination).
I think that's not true. Firstly, i think we go by cambridge standards in Singapore. Also, I speak and type singlish frequently but I am still able to speak proper english without any singlish. That doesn't mean my english standards are low. (Not that they are high :D )
*Not trying to spark anything here :oops: Just clarifying*
And, I do believe in using standard english here and everywhere else, except with my friends as we understand each other just as well.
So jjjaaayyy, refrain from using singlish. :-)

Correct me if I am wrong. :bleh:

[indigo]

I think that's not true. Firstly, i think we go by cambridge standards in Singapore.

Yes we do go by Cambridge's standard in Singapore, but ultimately, the results we get are all moderated, as explained by lattae.

Actually I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with Singlish, you can speak it, write it, whichever way you please, and if you practise self control, it won't screw your standard of proper English. It's just that on an international forum like this one, we have to refrain from using that so that other members can understand. It's also a form of respect, you don't expect other non-Singaporeans/Singlish users to decipher whatever you typed in shorthand. :-)

[macdawn]

Jay's not using the singlish around here :sweat:

Like I have been saying this for the I-don't-know-how-many-th time, it is perfectly fine if you want to use Singlish when you are talking with Singaporeans, heck I probably would answer your call and talk to you in Singlish. But what I am saying is, to use proper sentences when posting in reply here in JCN.

With the popularity of sms messaging, people nowadays tend to use really short shortforms to write their sms (because of the limited character space per message). What happens here is, because they are too used to sms-ing, and perhaps, they are too lazy to type the words in full, that's where we are getting all those numbers in place of real words and a lot of shortforms that people who don't sms so often would not be able to understand. Singaporeans, in particular, are more likely to have this typing problem, hence the reason I started this thread.

-MacDawn

[yun^]

before i come into singapore site, i actually found this quotation at the international site

"Singapore (1 Viewing)

Singaporeans! Don't shy shy, come in lah!
Discuss any local topics. Singlish welcomed!
Faster come in and post lah, don't paiseh! "


hmmm singlish welcome? but why inside singapore site singlish nt welcome?? contridicting ?

http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15


under Singapore header


Please explain... Thanks

[macdawn]

The main issue here is, people are using the Singlish everywhere else. I guess it is okay for us to use it here in the Singaporean sub-forum. But, the reason I started the thread was because we are seeing a lot of the Singlish being used in other threads.

You can go around and search for the post of the Singaporean newbies. They are not interested confining their Singlish in the Singaporean sub-forum, and that's where the problem. If they can use proper English around the place, and they can use Singlish around the Singaporean sub-forum, fine. My header had stated Singlish is NOT allowed in JCN, meaning that it is not allowed in the other areas.

-MacDawn

[fukakyon]

Dawnie You certainly wake me up. I even thought of there's prohibition of any singlish in the SG sub-forums. But even if we forbid them from using, they'll still continue on. :shifty:

[yun^]

okay, so is it allowed in all the threads under Singapore header?

[kasic_fantasy]

okay, so is it allowed in all the threads under Singapore header?
sad to say...NO

see even though its under singapore, there might be people of other countries going there to talk and take a peep.

aiya...basically just dont use singlish in this forum lah...take it as a practice for your english lor :whistle:

[JaYwAh]

eeeps...i write like...but now i know better..did not realize how much some folks dislike it..but i dont type slang to a point where it sounds like a whole different language....i use to have a hard time writing in slang...but that was way back in the day, before everyone had a computer..now i have to think before i type..sorry for those who could not read or understand anything i wrote in the forums....you'll see it alot in the US too..even when spoken its hard to understand...wont happen again!!

[yun^]

sad to say...NO

see even though its under singapore, there might be people of other countries going there to talk and take a peep.

aiya...basically just dont use singlish in this forum lah...take it as a practice for your english lor :whistle:


If its a NO, Please change the text, dont CONFUSE urself when you all say Can in the main and sae NO inside..

[kasic_fantasy]

If its a NO, Please change the text, dont CONFUSE urself when you all say Can in the main and sae NO inside..
fine. but whatever it is just dont use it...simple as ABC right?...and i'm very clear and i'm not confusing myself.its basically...simple human common sense :whistle:

else you can just go round use it and get warnings... :whistle:

[yun^]

hey.. it you guys who create all these .. 1st you put singlish allowed now you all give warning and ban people for using singlish..

human common sense? so u all creates stuffs to argue when it you all started it?

[kasic_fantasy]

1st you put singlish allowed now you all give warning and ban people for using singlish..
human common sense? so u all creates stuffs to argue when it you all started it?

jcnet allow singlish? :glug:

when i was just a newbie i even got real serious warnings from mods with my first post. that was like way back last year.i even created a thread suggesting maybe singlish can be allow only in the singapore forum but it got locked.

why not you go round observe and see which post is totally in singlish?..like what karen had said no singlish accept abbrevations and its only allow to use in moderation.

be nice girl...when the mods say no means no. plus i see your english is not that bad...if you really cant stand the no singlish policy then go join other forums that welcomes singlish.

[yun^]

its not that i cant stand no singlish, its just that since under the main international webpage, it stats, Singaporeans are welcome with singlish, and when i click on the header, i saw singlish not allowed.

if they dont allow, then why did they want to put under Singapore header? if because many people are posting all over with singish, then why banned singlish insider singapore forum? should it be banned in other place (maybe like US section)?

[kasic_fantasy]

you know sometimes rules are not forever straight :shifty:

they just welcome you in singlish but didnt say you can go round talking in singlish. not just for singapore. i see some latin or other countries's thread..they are using their asence too but only for the title.the post inside should not contain other langauge except english.

and for those people who are using real hardcore singlish around..trust me they are on their way to death. :D

seriously i use to think like you too. until when i see other members getting warnings and being banned. when the rule said so, just be nice and be displine. the rules are set in a way where everyone benefits from it..dont give any chances for the mods to warn you or ban you. :wink2:

[yun^]

why so harsh? forum? a chit chat place? jcnet? isnt a place for jay supporters?
jcnet->singapore ? isnt a place for singapore fans?

dont think other country will be bother to see threads in singapore. just like if we going to have a gather, they cant make it too..

i still think jcnet-singapore is a place for jay's fans in SG, people in SG will sure know singlish..

hmmm.. singlish = la,leh lohX? but it dont change meaning if to be put in sentence.

i love jay!
i Love jay worX!


not trying to mess things up.. after i make my post here, i received pM.. another arguement..

my point is , Singapore -> no matter wad, is still a place for SG people to gather.. just like malaysia, they gather there with malay language..(dont believe, view some of their threads).

why being so harsh on SG people, when we are so used to this "culture" ?
do you go out telling those who speak singlish at orchard road-> hey you! dont use singlish, speak proper english, there are many foreigners around.

i do believe in rules and regulations in forum, but, if nt using fouls, not scolding, not spamming, or other bad attitudes, y should one be banned for using singlish?

i know the reasons for having a NO Singlish out of Singapore threads

maybe you all are tired of repeating, but i still see no why , really, no why should it be a NO for singlish in Singapore threads.

[kasic_fantasy]

why so harsh? forum? a chit chat place? jcnet? isnt a place for jay supporters?
jcnet->singapore ? isnt a place for singapore fans?

what thing so harsh? yes this is a place for Jay Chou supporters (but sad to say not 100%) and yea its for singapore fans.but does that mean must have singlish?

dont think other country will be bother to see threads in singapore. just like if we going to have a gather, they cant make it too..

but what makes you so sure of that? yea so what if they cant go to the gatherings we held? cant they just chat with us and know more bout Singapore from us? seriously there are singaporeans going to other countrie's thread and post...


i still think jcnet-singapore is a place for jay's fans in SG, people in SG will sure know singlish..

hmmm.. singlish = la,leh lohX? but it dont change meaning if to be put in sentence.
who knows there could be a few who are singaporeans but went to other places to stay and dont use singlish at all. what if other people reads them and wonder what the heck are those words?

same for us if an italian suddenly make a post with italian words...wont you get fed up and ask what the hell is he or she talking?

my point is , Singapore -> no matter wad, is still a place for SG people to gather.. just like malaysia, they gather there with malay language..(dont believe, view some of their threads).

look i get your point here but theres soemthing call translation.

why being so harsh on SG people, when we are so used to this "culture" ?
do you go out telling those who speak singlish at orchard road-> hey you! dont use singlish, speak proper english, there are many foreigners around.

come on thats orchard road and its jcnet here. if you have an foreign guest would you go say "oi hello welcome to singapore hor?" :?

i do believe in rules and regulations in forum, but, if nt using fouls, not scolding, not spamming, or other bad attitudes, y should one be banned for using singlish?

i know the reasons for having a NO Singlish out of Singapore threads

maybe you all are tired of repeating, but i still see no why , really, no why should it be a NO for singlish in Singapore threads.

hmm in someway when a sentence has singlish in it some others who dont understand it might misunderstood it as something rude. for example:

english: please dont use singlish in this forum

singlish way: oi can stop using singlish in this forum or not?

or

english: this salad taste great

singlish way : this salad si bei nice

see it? ok we singaporeans understands it but then other countries dont. once again there are people of other countries going into other forums too. all forums are opened to everyone so who say they wont come?

see JCnet is a 0 tolerence forum. its to make life much better and sweeter for everyone. see our international language is English and this is an international forum...

haha since you know everyone is repeating the same damn words then for what you keep asking? yea i do believe it would be a much interesting forum if we use singlish but then...think for the rest of the people alright?...

forum rule no.9:

9. Type in readable ENGLISH!
DO NOT tyPe LyKe DiS. Do not use random font colors for no reason.
And do not use SMS style shorthand here.
This is an international English forum, not everyone may understand the
slang, shorthand, and other language nuances of your country.

10. REFRAIN FROM using loads of Singlish, Manglish, or any other special dialects
As you can see, we can't stress this enough.
This is an INTERNATIONAL ENGLISH forum, type in readable English.
We don't expect you to use perfect English, just don't make your posts
difficult to read and full of slang.

11. Chinese & other foreign characters not allowed without translation
DO NOT post in Chinese without an accompanying translation,
NEVER EVER post topic titles in Chinese!!! Again this is an English forum.
Most people here cannot read Chinese. Besides if they could, why would they be here?
All the big Jay forums are in Chinese.

look i'm not here to add in fire and spices but i hope theres no fire between us alright?...you simply reminds me of myself as a newbie in the past :D

[laruku]

I guess in a way not ALL people understand singlish. Speech yes. It's easy enough to understand and figure out. But when you are in a forum, even if its a SG forum, people are actually reading it pretty fast. maybe because you are still new here, you don't know the demographic make up of the forum. there are quite a number of jcnet members who are working or studying in uni. they don't have all the time in the world to sit and try to decipher what the hell you are trying to say. they'd skip it and if say a whole page is in singlish, they prob never enter the thread anymore. if nobody reads the thread because its not readable, then what's the point of the existence of the thread? hence, mods will delete it.

simple abbrv like 'u' 'dunno' 'cos' is fine cos its well easy to understand. but when you see a whole post of 'lyk' 'l8r' and such.. it gets pretty irritating.

also some singlish are horrendously terrible. for example who else other than singaporeans spell 'come' as 'CUM'????? when we read a sentence such as "jay is CUMMING to singapore", most of us who know what the real word means.. really faint.

[yun^]

haha.. hmm.. singlish not really equal to hokkien.. you use "sibei" = hokkien already..

oie = singlish also?

if there are informations about jay, it is posted in properly english in the main forum. i believe news about jay are shared throughout as well..

if itailian post in their own language, we can ask what are they writting and at the same time we learn from it..

hmm.. think about this.. u walked along orchard road (many people are speaking English), you walk down chinatown (many people are speaking mandarine), you walked down geylang serai (many are speaking malay) you walked down little india (many are speaking tamil)

so its like this, they convery in a language they are most comfortable with. for example, if you are not indian, and you walked along liitle india, you walked past them, im sure they are speaking tamil, you dun understand, if you interested in their topic, you can always stop and ask them what is the content that they are talking.. if you are not interested in the topic, you wun even bother if they speak in tamil.. isnt it true?

not that for singaporeans must have singlish just that, we come to forum to relac abit of our mind. we chit chat in forum, etc
and suddenly you have to be so tensed up cause, you cant use singlish, you need to be so careful with the words.. "la lo le lehx " and short forms cant be in forum..

like: wasssssuuup bro' cant be used in here..

actually singlish is not really that bad ( i mean singlish not hokkien)..

im sure all of you in this forum (singaporeans), dont really use proper english 24hrs isnt it? there will be times when these words:"wah kaoz", "shit la", many others are added either in a conversation with frends or when you are mummble to yourself..



lets just relax awhile..

we chit chat wif an open heart, singlish is accepted in singapore threads in the very first place.. accept the initial decision, dun change it.. singlish are welcome in singapore threads, so are proper english.. whats more important is, we make friends.. and also, we supprot jay all the way!~

to all mods and admins:
I know im stubborn and i know you all are gonna banned me sooner or later but, i do believe, this rule should be deleted off from Singapore thread. I believe that most people from other countries already knew that singaporean uses singlish? why must we be acting? why must control all to use proper english? we are not having exams in forums.. we dont need to show people how well we can type in forum or how excellent is our english, we want to show them singaporeans are friendly, singaporeans can talk in a relaxing way.. As jay's supporters, we are not out to correect one another's grammer,spelling or anything , we are not teachers..

i know no matter what i say will be rebutted by many of you for this reason--> cause mods say no singlish..

will any member start a thread like this if non of the mods say so? the answer is NO.
Isnt it obvious that we are not so particular about singlish when it comes to typing? we dont correct our friends who uses singlish isnt it?

[charmian]

why not just stick to simple english?

typing proper english and no singlish doesnt make you any less a singaporean in this forum. I believe theres much more for singaporeans to be known as in this forum other than bad spelling and singlish slangs.

[fukakyon]

See. Tom cruise's new movie is yet to screen around the world, but we have already started one here!

(Eating my popcorn..)
(Runs away* Off topic!)

[kasic_fantasy]

haha.. hmm.. singlish not really equal to hokkien.. you use "sibei" = hokkien already..

oie = singlish also?

if there are informations about jay, it is posted in properly english in the main forum. i believe news about jay are shared throughout as well..

if itailian post in their own language, we can ask what are they writting and at the same time we learn from it..

hmm.. think about this.. u walked along orchard road (many people are speaking English), you walk down chinatown (many people are speaking mandarine), you walked down geylang serai (many are speaking malay) you walked down little india (many are speaking tamil)

so its like this, they convery in a language they are most comfortable with. for example, if you are not indian, and you walked along liitle india, you walked past them, im sure they are speaking tamil, you dun understand, if you interested in their topic, you can always stop and ask them what is the content that they are talking.. if you are not interested in the topic, you wun even bother if they speak in tamil.. isnt it true?
like that might as well all talk in one language right? :D

hokkien is actually making most part of singlish. haha if you were to hear the classical singlish, its almost 80% hokkien.

sorry i didnt exactly run through your whole post, but well we have this irc chat thingy(but its for all jcnet so i guess also cannot use singlish). else you can always get on to your msn aol or yahoo messenger. i'm adding many people of this forum and talking like heavens with them :angel:

andcharmian and larukus' damn right. in speech or face to face talk it makes things more easier to understand but here everything is to be hand written (type to be exact)...and plus everyone is from different places, why not just stick to just simple english? aint if better for everyone?...

fukakyon tom cruise is having new movie! :excited:

[yslivy]

Hello, my fellow Singaporeans! :wave:

I think most of you who have been wandering around this forum must noticed that some newbies were getting scolded pretty badly, and some had their rep points deduced for seemingly unknown reasons......

Actually, there is a reason. For the simple reason that some of us here are so used to smsing on our handphones, that all the shortforms and singlish are used here.

y cannot use singlish har? Singlish gd mah, cannot meh?
we writ, ppl know, can alreadi!
tot like tat look cuter, y cannot?
.....

Nope, sorry, pals, no go.
You have to understand, this is an international forum, and we have many friends from many other countries here. What we normally use in our sms, and common conversation is not what others use in their country. So to make things easier for others to understand what we are writing here, everyone is encouraged to write in proper sentences.

Like I said before, this is a forum, and there is no restrictions on the number of characters we can type here, so why are we saving on words like 'wif', 'tot', and all the other shortforms? since we have time to surf through the forum for interesting threads to join, we might as well write properly so that others can understand what we're writing.

For those who made occasional shortforms, and singlish, most of us are pretty okay with it, but if you try to do that too often..... you better beware then.... because there are many members (me included) who really have time on our hands and like to track down newbies who persistently break the rules. We are not moderator or admin, just normal members.... but we do know how deal with such hardcore rule-breakers...... :brows:

Just a friendly warning, because I do see a lot of Singaporean newbies running around this forum posting Singlish like it is the official language of this forum. Well, better get it straight, English is the official language here, not singlish! Please don't go out there and disgrace rest of us who know how to spell and write properly. Just try not to use Singlish here, okay?

-MacDawn
PS: If there are non-Singaporeans typing in bad spelling and english, that's their problem, but we should try to at least watch ourselves. Because we all don't want to see anyone punished or had their rep points removed for something as silly as this. A little effort goes a long way. :happy:
Hi there, I believe the use of "singlish" should be minimised (like wah, lor should be ok) instead of banned totally. There is absolutely no harm in showing we use "singlish".. In fact, my foreigner (UK/USA) bosses are so interested in "singlish" itself (entertaining n warm!)
Since Alfa Jay forums do not banned singlish, why should here? This might as well show many Singaporeans admire Jay! As long as your input/gist is easy to understand, the tense/grammar don't really affect the output. I think it is not a disgrace, just an expression of Singaporeans. I even heard PMs say wah(s) and leh(s) before! Is that a disgrace? And I think no1 here writes or spells properly 10000%. - Anyway, if it is really so strict then.. corrected sentences - "were being scolded", no such word as smsing and proper English does not start with "Nope"?

[charmian]

alfa doesnt banned singlish? well thats only because people there type in chinese 99% of the time. whats left of the singlish to be seen? T_T

and er, i think we meant we just want clear, simple english, that is understood by all and not only by singaporeans. Saying it out loud and typing it to a international forum is a whole total diff thing.

[yslivy]

alfa doesnt banned singlish? well thats only because people there type in chinese 99% of the time. whats left of the singlish to be seen? T_T

and er, i think we meant we just want clear, simple english, that is understood by all and not only by singaporeans. Saying it out loud and typing it to a international forum is a whole total diff thing.
Seriously, I'm definitely not sure if it's 99% there and am not bothered to count (??) but by reading those posts, many Singaporeans (or non SGPs as well?) do type Singlish (not neccessary Singlish but mixtures of dialects?) there too. Not that I encourage Singlish but I totally believe that this topic is unclear.. It has nothing much to do with Singaporeans or Singlish, it's just typing proper English but that is not what the case is in the 1st thread (more of like BAN Singlish totally and the "if you type it you are gone for life" case). Be it any country or dialect group, there is sure to be a slightly different way of expressing ourselves. Since this is an international forum, I believe everyone is welcomed to type in their most comfortable way of expressing their comments, then the effects will be experienced. You have to understand that some kids nowsadays do not really type proper English. If you happen to see the post and you understand what they're trying to say, why not just help the needy? At the same time, promote proper English strongly instead of discriminating Singlish (which is not be the main point). YEAH!!

[hisashiluv14]

Be it any country or dialect group, there is sure to be a slightly different way of expressing ourselves.

If the Singaporean way of 'expressing ourselves' is through unintelligible usage of supposed-English, then boy, do I want to migrate! This excuse does not cut it with me; in fact, it's such a lousy excuse for a person's laziness and ignorance that I'm surprised there are people who seem to genuinely make room for it. We all went through the same education system (I will not even touch on the SAP schools/non-SAP schools thing). If there are people who make conscientious effort to use proper English, why should others be excused just because they're too complacent to correct their ways?

You have to understand that some kids nowsadays do not really type proper English.

And that is brought up because...? Am I supposed to close both eyes and smile and say, "That's very nice, kiddo!" when inside I'm screaming at them to stop being stupid and start using correct English? Is it excusable just because it happens to be in vogue? You DO realise that it all starts from childhood, don't you? If a kid grows up thinking it's "okay" to know only one "language" (Singlish) and that it's "okay" to type in butchered English as long as his message is brought across, that kid will grow up and become an adult who still thinks along those lines and then eventually fails to correct HIS kid who also goes down the same path. The end result? Singapore knows only one "language", and that is Singlish. Why is Singlish bad? PM me and I'd gladly write a whole essay on that issue.

As long as your input/gist is easy to understand, the tense/grammar don't really affect the output.

You did NOT honestly just say that. It's mind-boggling how people can think that way. If you want to use a language, you have to respect its rules, just like how you have to obey the laws of a country if you hold its citizenship. Ugh. 3.56 a.m.; not a good time to post a non-confrontional...post on the issue of proper English.

I think it is not a disgrace, just an expression of Singaporeans.

Yes, an expression that is thoroughly, wholly, undoubtedly WRONG. Totally not a disgrace, I'm sure.

In fact, my foreigner (UK/USA) bosses are so interested in "singlish" itself (entertaining n warm!)

Hello, you said they find it 'entertaining'. Can't you see the problem with that? Singlish is a joke to them. Why is it a joke? Because it sounds funny. Why does it sound funny? Because it is not English! I'm sure your bosses don't mean any malice by that, but as an educated Asian girl who lives in a country previously colonised by Britain, I bristle very much at even the slightest suggestion of any implied Western chauvinism that may or may not continue to laud over Asia. (Read up on Europe's crazy colonisation process in the late 1800's.)

By the way, my British GP teacher back in JC didn't think Singlish was all that cute or amusing.

And I think no1 here writes or spells properly 10000%

That's because there's no such thing as 10000%. 99%? Yes - me.

Oh, please, feel free to point out any grammatical mistakes I may have made. I strive for perfection when it comes to English, so there's always room for improvement.

This might as well show many Singaporeans admire Jay!

You can show your admiration for Jielun in proper English. Let me show you how:

I really admire Jay.

Why the hell does that have to be mutated to something that resembles "i realli admyre j"? The mere act of typing that made me feel ridiculous.

like that might as well all talk in one language right?

I hope you realised that the above was Singlish.

Rant over. 4.02 a.m. Time for Cranky Yelen to sleep.

[yslivy]

If the Singaporean way of 'expressing ourselves' is through unintelligible usage of supposed-English, then boy, do I want to migrate! This excuse does not cut it with me; in fact, it's such a lousy excuse for a person's laziness and ignorance that I'm surprised there are people who seem to genuinely make room for it. We all went through the same education system (I will not even touch on the SAP schools/non-SAP schools thing). If there are people who make conscientious effort to use proper English, why should others be excused just because they're too complacent to correct their ways?

And that is brought up because...? Am I supposed to close both eyes and smile and say, "That's very nice, kiddo!" when inside I'm screaming at them to stop being stupid and start using correct English? Is it excusable just because it happens to be in vogue? You DO realise that it all starts from childhood, don't you? If a kid grows up thinking it's "okay" to know only one "language" (Singlish) and that it's "okay" to type in butchered English as long as his message is brought across, that kid will grow up and become an adult who still thinks along those lines and then eventually fails to correct HIS kid who also goes down the same path. The end result? Singapore knows only one "language", and that is Singlish. Why is Singlish bad? PM me and I'd gladly write a whole essay on that issue.

You did NOT honestly just say that. It's mind-boggling how people can think that way. If you want to use a language, you have to respect its rules, just like how you have to obey the laws of a country if you hold its citizenship. Ugh. 3.56 a.m.; not a good time to post a non-confrontional...post on the issue of proper English.

Yes, an expression that is thoroughly, wholly, undoubtedly WRONG. Totally not a disgrace, I'm sure.

Hello, you said they find it 'entertaining'. Can't you see the problem with that? Singlish is a joke to them. Why is it a joke? Because it sounds funny. Why does it sound funny? Because it is not English! I'm sure your bosses don't mean any malice by that, but as an educated Asian girl who lives in a country previously colonised by Britain, I bristle very much at even the slightest suggestion of any implied Western chauvinism that may or may not continue to laud over Asia. (Read up on Europe's crazy colonisation process in the late 1800's.)

By the way, my British GP teacher back in JC didn't think Singlish was all that cute or amusing.

That's because there's no such thing as 10000%. 99%? Yes - me.

Oh, please, feel free to point out any grammatical mistakes I may have made. I strive for perfection when it comes to English, so there's always room for improvement.

You can show your admiration for Jielun in proper English. Let me show you how:

I really admire Jay.

Why the hell does that have to be mutated to something that resembles "i realli admyre j"? The mere act of typing that made me feel ridiculous.

I hope you realised that the above was Singlish.

Rant over. 4.02 a.m. Time for Cranky Yelen to sleep.

Hi there! I do know what is Singlish and what is not but just wanted to point out WHAT is still acceptable and WHAT is not. ANYWAY i think it is really very bad of you to mind-scream Stupid at those who use Singlish. I'm sure there are people close to you who do so and I am in fact not disgraced by my mum (as she "singlish-talk" a lot) as she is non-English educated? I try to correct her but will never scold her stupid.. Oh gosh, this is so sad... :cry:

I am trying to pin point the issue, not the people if you understand. I suppose that you are doing a stereotyping generalisation on an impossible assumption statement so it's invalid! ---> "If a kid grows up thinking it's "okay" to know only one "language" (Singlish) and that it's "okay" to type in butchered English as long as his message is brought across, that kid will grow up and become an adult who still thinks along those lines and then eventually fails to correct HIS kid who also goes down the same path. The end result? Singapore knows only one "language", and that is Singlish." ---> i think you are feeling bored with all the studying to think so far and deep the impossible in this reign...

If anyone wants to pinpoint the issue, it is only about speaking and typing proper English. Nothing much to do with humane attacks. Also, "If the Singaporean way of 'expressing ourselves' is through unintelligible usage of supposed-English, then boy, do I want to migrate! " - Migrate on! You do see it and you don't even want to help but escape - typical Singaporean behaviour like some of us here! It's ONE of the Singaporean ways of expressing themselves (which I don't think is wrong to express your freedom of speech but should just be used with precision) but not the ONLY way... anyway, no one is complacent here to not mend their ways. In fact there are many helpful suggestions. Oh boy, this is just a DISCUSSION. :dry: :dry: :dry:

[zhoudaoyan]

yeah. im always watching out on how i type. but so used to typing on msn that it can only go to a certain extent.. like in that sentence ive already used.. "im"
haha. anyway. sorry guys if i do yeah? and take away my reps if you have to lol
but eeks. better watch out now.. :bleh:
thanks for the reminder

[jazzy_kan@yahoo.com.sg]

i don't see what's the fuss over the use of singlish..... may it be english or singlish, they are both a form of communication...it's just like y do we talk??? (because we need to know what the other person is thinking). so long as people understand us, singlish is a no problem...
let's not talk about singlish.. lets take the americans for an example...some americans speak with so much slang that it is so difficult to understand. y make like so difficult and strain ur ears to listen to things that are so inaudible???

i think yslivy should think twice before posting up such an out of the way post..

[charmian]

i don't see what's the fuss over the use of singlish..... may it be english or singlish, they are both a form of communication...it's just like y do we talk??? (because we need to know what the other person is thinking). so long as people understand us, singlish is a no problem...
let's not talk about singlish.. lets take the americans for an example...some americans speak with so much slang that it is so difficult to understand. y make like so difficult and strain ur ears to listen to things that are so inaudible???

i think yslivy should think twice before posting up such an out of the way post..

no, the point is that, americans rarely uses their slangs here.

besides, who cares about how you slang when you're talking when all we can do is read off forums from the internet. T_T

we read read read. we dont hear them.

so its has to be sweet and simple aint it? *slap forehead* the reason why we do not promote singlish is mainly because people outside of singapore in this forum, which is like more 50% of them, doesnt understands them.

if they have zilch understanding of what we're posting, then whats the use of posting out your opinion? just keep your hands off the keyboards.

communication is a way for us to understand each other. If we dont, its not a communication, its just your one sided wilful thoughts. :rolleyes:

[stitchphil]

Let's just take it as a form of consideration for other readers outside Singapore I suppose. Not everyone here is a Singaporean after all. It is just another small thing we all can do to make this place a more enjoyable read for everyone, doesn't it?

[lattae]

Hi there! I do know what is Singlish and what is not but just wanted to point out WHAT is still acceptable and WHAT is not. ANYWAY i think it is really very bad of you to mind-scream Stupid at those who use Singlish. I'm sure there are people close to you who do so and I am in fact not disgraced by my mum (as she "singlish-talk" a lot) as she is non-English educated? I try to correct her but will never scold her stupid.. Oh gosh, this is so sad... :cry:

My mum speaks pretty bad English, my dad too. In fact, many Singaporeans of that generation have poor command of English simply because they were never taught proper English in school. Most schools at that time were either chinese-based, or they had poor instruction in English. They grew up not using the langauge properly, which is why till their old age, they are still this way.

Which is why the argument of "use proper English" stands. Language is such that it grows on you... It comes to a point you can't differentiate between the two. There have been studies done to prove that once "learnt" the wrong way, it's VERY hard to "unlearn". Besides, many of the language rules are not "formulae-based", there's way too many "exceptions"(e.g. countable/uncountable noun). Hence, you have to keep using and practicing to make sure it's right.

Young people think it's cool and fun... but I beg to differ. Once in a while, you can use it to "entertain", but you should try to learn THE proper English.

We are not saying those who are unable to use English are stupid. No way. I think anyone who'd make that kind of statement is elitist. If you'd go around jcnet for example, you'd find many asian members from Thailand/Philipines/Malaysia/Indonesia using good English, or at least attempting to. Mind you, English is not even taught to them as a first language in school. Yet you can see these members trying their best to let others understand them. It's quite obvious which member is to lazy to try, and which member has a genuine problem with mastery of the language.

What we are saying is that those who know English, and choose to type in Singlish with claims that it's our "lifestyle", are naive. They are naive to think that long term usage of poor English will not affect their mastery of the language. They are naive to believe that it's really cool to "type diz wayz". They are naive to imagine that they are understood.

I've overheard a conversation of teachers in a cafe, lamenting how their students are writing their exam papers with "allz ze funki Inglishz n weirdz spellg". It's become so much of their lifestyle that even in trying to write their essay, these "MSN/SMS spelling" just slips out unconsciously. Of course the bulk of the paper is in roper english, it's just that the typing just slips out here and there, and the student doesn't notice.

If you don't believe that poor English is a joke when you grow up, just speak to anyone in the working world. It makes a lot of difference whether you can produce that "o-so-good" resume/proposal what have you nots. If you are the boss of a company waiting to make an important investment, you will likely not choose the proposal that has poor English. Don't claim that as long as you have the skills you are fine... cos you really aren't. Decisions are not made when they see you work. Decisions are made based on those few pieces of paper you produce to them. You can argue that that's not fair, but that is the way the world is.

Even in English speaking countries, not everyone is competent in English. Those in the suburbs or rural parts of say England probably can't pronouce/spell/read/write well. Which is why they'd never get to the better jobs. Poor command of language, which corresponds to poor ability to communicate, is one of the biggest barriers around.

My stand being: Go ahead and use Singlish when you are with your friends. Go ahead and type in MSN/SMS/blogs. Just be able to use English when the occassion calls for it, e.g. speaking to your superior, interviews, essay/letter writing. If you are one of those who can efficiently switch between English and Singlish, good for you. If you are one of those average folks out there, I'd suggest you avoid Singlish/shortforms before it really becomes ingrained.

Since this forum promotes the use of good English, you either follow the rules, or choose to leave. No one is forcing you. Liberty is yours. :happy:

[ene]

Sighs. It amazes me how some visitors to this site still do not get the whole drift of typing in READABLE English so that the WORLD OVER can comprehend :rolleyes:

No one is telling you NOT to use Singlish anywhere ELSE. I use it all the time on MSN chats with my friends !

There is a place and time for everthing.

[hisashiluv14]

Hi there! I do know what is Singlish and what is not but just wanted to point out WHAT is still acceptable and WHAT is not. ANYWAY i think it is really very bad of you to mind-scream Stupid at those who use Singlish. I'm sure there are people close to you who do so and I am in fact not disgraced by my mum (as she "singlish-talk" a lot) as she is non-English educated? I try to correct her but will never scold her stupid.. Oh gosh, this is so sad... :cry:

I didn't say they WERE stupid; I just said they were BEING stupid. There is a huge different between calling someone stupid and calling his actions stupid. I was actually doing the latter. In my opinion, using Singlish online makes you LOOK stupid, whether you are or not, and the only people who fail to see why that is are the ones doing the same thing themselves.



I am trying to pin point the issue, not the people if you understand. I suppose that you are doing a stereotyping generalisation on an impossible assumption statement so it's invalid! ---> "If a kid grows up thinking it's "okay" to know only one "language" (Singlish) and that it's "okay" to type in butchered English as long as his message is brought across, that kid will grow up and become an adult who still thinks along those lines and then eventually fails to correct HIS kid who also goes down the same path. The end result? Singapore knows only one "language", and that is Singlish." ---> i think you are feeling bored with all the studying to think so far and deep the impossible in this reign...

I am really trying very hard here not to say something very rude. Okay. Just to add on to what Lattae has already said, let me show you the basis upon which I made that statement. Go to any SAP school or even go to NUS Law school and the average English-speaking person comes from an English-speaking family. When a person grows up in an English-speaking family, more likely than not he's more accustomed to speaking English than his mother tongue. I know a lot more people from English-speaking families who are effectively monolingual than people who are not, and the reverse is also true. I've also observed from my two years in a neighbourbood junior college that the students that were weaker in English were those that come from Chinese-speaking families.

What does this show? Very simple: Your learning environment directly determines your linguistic capabilities. To go back to what I said in my last post, if a child grows up hearing only Singlish and neither proper English nor Chinese (and Malay, Tamil, etc, for non-Chinese Singaporeans), he'd become an adult that knows only Singlish.

So no, what I said wasn't a result of me being bored out of my skull with my Law school stuff. I also can't figure out how you could have said that it's "impossible" that a child would grow up knowing only Singlish if that's the only thing he hears during his formative years. I'll just leave it at that.


Also, "If the Singaporean way of 'expressing ourselves' is through unintelligible usage of supposed-English, then boy, do I want to migrate! " - Migrate on! You do see it and you don't even want to help but escape - typical Singaporean behaviour like some of us here! It's ONE of the Singaporean ways of expressing themselves (which I don't think is wrong to express your freedom of speech but should just be used with precision) but not the ONLY way... anyway, no one is complacent here to not mend their ways. In fact there are many helpful suggestions. Oh boy, this is just a DISCUSSION. :dry: :dry: :dry:

"[N]o one is complacent here not to mend their ways"? Have you taken a look at this forum and the unreadable posts made by many Singaporeans?

Jeez, I can't believe you took my "I wanna migrate" comment literally. I could've said, "Then boy, am I ashamed to hold a Singapore passport!" and still mean the same thing: saying that Singlish is "our way of life" is not a justifiable excuse for people to go around jay-chou.net sprouting butchered English. That was all I was saying. Any doubts as to my degree of patriotism will not be discussed in this post; that'd be going off the point.

But hey, since you think I should help people correct their English, I suppose this is in order. Singaporeans like to say "out of point", but it's actually wrong and the correct form is "off the point". My British GP tutor pointed this out to my class last year.

i don't see what's the fuss over the use of singlish..... may it be english or singlish, they are both a form of communication...it's just like y do we talk??? (because we need to know what the other person is thinking). so long as people understand us, singlish is a no problem...
let's not talk about singlish.. lets take the americans for an example...some americans speak with so much slang that it is so difficult to understand. y make like so difficult and strain ur ears to listen to things that are so inaudible???


English Lesson #2: It's an ACCENT, not a slang. Singlish is a slang (actually it's more of a form of pidgin than a slang), "homie" is a slang, even Jielun's favourite word "diao" is a slang. If you're referring to the way an American speaks, the correct word to use is "accent". Singaporeans also have a Singaporean accent. If a Singaporean tries to speak like an American, he is not "slanging"; he is putting on an accent. This 'slang' thing is another commonly-misused word amonst too many Singaporeans.

English Lesson #3: '..', '......', '........' etc. are not proper forms of punctuation. An ellipsis has come with three dots since time immemorial.

I don't get that thing about Americans and their accents; are you suggesting they should change their accents? Oh, nevermind; I won't even get into that. Whatever you say.

[kasic_fantasy]

just get the god damn point...SINGLISH IS NOT ALLOWED HERE.

i used to think that there is nothing wrong bout singlish. i post around with singlish and in the end ended up people quoting my post asking what is lah lor leh whatever. i explain until si bei sian and got pretty fed up and finally surrender...use english is better than using singlish here.

international forum...ok? singaporean and malaysians may be able to understand but then the aussies and new zealanders and people of other countries DONT UNDERSTAND WTF SINGLISH IS.

but if you want to end up with bad reputation and talk alot but nobody understand what the bloody hell you are talking bout and then offend many people and finally get ban, then pls continue :wink2:

[NeoTheOne]

The discussion here seems to be getting rather heated. At this point I would like to put forward my two cents worth.

Firstly, my stand is with typing in readable language(english) around the forum. I throughly enjoy reading proper wordings of english. Its much easier compared to "yeaaa lor Jay Chou lik so rox ttly". But I was thinking, both sides have a point when discussing about Singlish. Still let us not drift further apart from the main topic.

The main idea here is, to use readable, proper english on the forum. So I urge everyone to just drop certain shortform typings. However, sometimes due to second nature, you could have accidentally mistyped a "u" or "lol", it would still be fine. For if the rest of the post is in decent english, it would still be comprehendable.

Therefore since our ulitmate aim is to be able to communicate with ease. Let us drop all other arguments and start typing in readable english(that would mean full wording etc). You maybe weak in english but your effort would show, and over time you will improve.

just get the god damn point...SINGLISH IS NOT ALLOWED HERE.

i used to think that there is nothing wrong bout singlish. i post around with singlish and in the end ended up people quoting my post asking what is lah lor leh whatever. i explain until si bei sian and got pretty fed up and finally surrender...use english is better than using singlish here.

international forum...ok? singaporean and malaysians may be able to understand but then the aussies and new zealanders and people of other countries DONT UNDERSTAND WTF SINGLISH IS.

but if you want to end up with bad reputation and talk alot but nobody understand what the bloody hell you are talking bout and then offend many people and finally get ban, then pls continue :wink2:

kasic_fantasy I understand your fustration in trying to get your point of view across. Still, there is no need to be aggressive(if I may use this word).

I mean no offence here but(I am trying to be objective and not personal), it seems to me you do not fully understand the meaning of not using Singlish. For not using Singlish certainly does not mean just getting rid of the "lah" "lor" "leh". It means your sentence would have to take a proper grammatical form.

Now I am not demanding that everyone needs to prefect their english etc I am just merely pointing that your post is more or less Singlish, in more vulgar terms, broken english. BUT. The thing is, your post is still readable. With the commendable effort you made in ridding out the shortforms, your post(though still with elements of Singlish) is comprehendable. :wink2:

Thus I hope forum users can understand that it is not that we despise Singlish. It is just that it would be more convinent for everyone to type in proper, comprehendable english, or at least put in effort to do so.

PS. if you click here (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15) you will notice that somehow, it is promoting the use of Singlish within this Singapore subforum. Perhaps the mods might want to take a look, since all the current hype on using comprehendable english.

[stitchphil]

Geez... At first look, a passerby might think this is some GP Essay writing competition... Come on now, we're all Singaporeans here after all, aren't we? Nobody is saying that the use of Singlish to banned totally here in JCNET. Let's just say that we can still have a controlled use of Singlish within our own subforums.

I mean, after all, Singlish has become a part of what makes us identified as Singaporeans. I think there is no denying in that fact.

Just like one of my friend who's in NUS Law School now (He's brought up in an English-speaking environment). Like what hisashiluv14 pointed out, practically even one there is brought up in a English environment, and they do somewhat communicate in a more fluent English when they are speaking with their peers from overseas. He even told me some of the local students even speak with a accent, not the American or English accent, just a accent he can't quite pin point.

But what he noticed is that, when there're just all Singaporeans around, they'll just go back into the "lahz! and the "lorz" like second nature. No one is saying that if we stop using Singlish, we can't be identified as Singaporeans, there are other things I'm sure that makes us Singaporeans.

All we're all trying to point out that, if we use Singlish too often, and becomes a habit, it doesn't look very good on us if it is seen by other readers from outside of Singapore. Perhaps, being the "save-face" Singaporeans, as many of us are (face it, no one wants their country to look bad.) why not make us Singaporeans look better?

All we have to do is just watch what we say or type in other forums not Singpore-related. Within the Singapore forums however, I think its fine. After all, where else can we be ourselves? A place we can talk about the Chicken rice in Geylang or the Ice Kachang in wherever. Like I said, we're all Singaporeans here. So let's all not get upset over each other over a small issue like this, shall we?

[xsnow0yinx]

I agree we must have a limit on the amount of singlish we use in our text. It may seem ok to us. But to others, They may get irritated over the use of our language, plus they might not even understand what we are trying to say.

I was reading my blog entries that I had written a year ago, and i realised that i used so much singlish and shortforms that I don't even know what I am talking about. If I don't even know what I am talking about, How are the people reading my entries know what I writing about.

The same goes to the other forumers in JCnet. You have to use better forms of english to get your message across. It's for the benefit for you and for the others.

Ps: The topic is getting hot. xD

[lattae]

getting hot? :?

I thought we are merely exchanging intellectual conversation in a very civil manner. :hmmm: Just because things sounds a little more serious in here, it doesn't equate to things being heated up. Even if it is heated up, a little heat is healthy.

We're not out of control yet, so I don't see why we need to "move out" of this topic.

[cuso4]

okay. i'm a non-singlish supporter but i have noticed a few things. us singaporeans using singlish in the forums is just like others using their slang.

like how they don't understand us, we wouldn't understand their lingo too. they use it, but hardly anyone minds them like how people mind singlish. for instance, terms like imo, iono, MEH, chink, fob... sure you can it should be a common forum term, but with a singaporean stand, when i first came into the forum, i took some time observing around before understanding such lingo.

i thought this would prove better to fight your point, for those people whom are pro-singlish. :laughing:

go people! let the civil discussion roll~

actually i think the problem between singaporeans and JCNET forums isn't really about singlish. its more like Forum Etiquette(term initiated by ankh in another thread. kudos to her).

its just like Dining Etiquette... you eat loudly and slurp your noodles; its rude and unsuitable in a posh restaurant like that. it shows how unknowledgable one is by the behavior in a different environment.

'Why can't I do that, its ME.'

sure its you. damn, i slurp my noodles, have bad grammar and speak singlish peppered with hokkien too. but sometimes at different places, its inappropriate it makes people have this stereotype towards you that puts them off. that's etiquette.

similarly, in a forum like JCNET, the way most singaporeans are considered as noob-ish would be because of the way they type, the way they express their views, their thoughts etc.

'Why can't I type in Singlish? I'm proud to be a Singaporean!' (uh-huh)

sure, its you... i'm proud to be singaporean too. but doing some stuff (i know better than to list out the neverending list of noobiness) make one become a noob - which implies one lack that forum etiquette.

so how do you learn this? simple. just observe how oldbies type. i observed JCNET forums for at least a month before i officially signed up as a member.

observe how those with high positions and posts type. for instance, sarcastic humour is a good way for you to blend into the JCNET environment, from what i've observed. cutting edge criticality, intellectual posts, with deep insight will make people rep you more - that how my first rep points were gotten. :laughing:

er, yeah. its okay sorry for interrupting. just continue with you guys' heated(or not) discussion. its interesting to watch. :D

[yslivy]

i don't see what's the fuss over the use of singlish..... may it be english or singlish, they are both a form of communication...it's just like y do we talk??? (because we need to know what the other person is thinking). so long as people understand us, singlish is a no problem...
let's not talk about singlish.. lets take the americans for an example...some americans speak with so much slang that it is so difficult to understand. y make like so difficult and strain ur ears to listen to things that are so inaudible???

i think yslivy should think twice before posting up such an out of the way post..

hi there.. what is so out of the way? this is a discussion, not for you to bold my name and make a way out of post statement. i seriously do not encourage singlish but just that i do not think it is of so much ultra mega damage. anyway i think cuso4 made a good post on this being a forum netiquette issue, instead of anything to do with singlish. get the point, all of YOU!

[NeoTheOne]

just to clarify

that has BEEN the point all along.

we are not trying to RID SINGLIGH, we are trying to explain that singlish should not be used on this forum. the reason being, this international forum have other nationals who do not understand our Singlish. also some times, its quite hard to read when messages are posted in short forms.

period.

[jing]

I hope you guys don't mix up sms language and singlish.

SMS language is a language developed by people who SMS. Examples of SMS langauge are short forms like- LOL, tis n tat, tt, etc. As we know that there is a limit of words for SMS messages, people are forced to write short forms to save spaces. I see SMS language appearing in this site now and then, so I think that it is okay to use it in this site. Agree?

Singlish is a mixture of malay, hokkien, chinese. In fact, Singlish is a mixture of languages used in Singapore. Singlish is invented by people living in Singapore. In this multi-racial country, the early Singaporeans invented Singlish to understand each other well. But in the modern Singapore society, Singlish is no longer needed. We have a common language, English, to use and communicate with each other. So do you agree that Singlish 'should not be allowed' in this site. I don't use the word 'ban' because we ARE SINGAPOREANS!!! We will some how unknowingly use Singlish. For Singaporeans to stop using Singlish is a slow process. We have to educate our next generation and teach them the proper English Language. Agree?

So I think that SMS language should be used less in this site and Singlish should not be allowed in this site. Better listen to me and change your ways, before your English teacher come screaming at you when you start to write SMS language and Singlish in your essay. Haha!

:wave: BYE!!! :wave:

[DragonPrince]

Maybe its just that people don't understand us when we use Singlish. Its like you are mumbling when you talk. To make us more 'normal' and not speak like an alien and not conquering the forum later (Speaking only to Singaporeans). There is a need to change. I agreed with CUSO4 about having our own thing. Its like Jay having this own style of singing and speaking. But if we want to globalise. I think its time to change.

[cinnimon~]

Oh yes,and can somebody stop those angsty teens from typing lyyke thiis? It doesnt make english look nicer. English is a beautiful language. We should not put it to waste.
jay-chou.net should be of international standard at all times. What would happen if a visitor,or maybe jay himself,came to jcnet and saw
jay rawks miie world sia!
YOU!bhb freak nia!
it would put people off,and what would jay think?

[icetears-]

Gee cinammon~; I used to worship that typing style :tongue:

But I grew out o that. Now simply looking at such typing irks me. Have you seen all those friendster accounts with a black background & hot pink flashy fonts & graphics? OMG I think those are the only people who like check friendster everyday to see who's seen their flashy profile :oops:

Okay sorry, back to Singlish.
Oh anyway, I wanted to ask if it's alright to like, add in a "lah" at the end of our sentence. I mean, not too often but it's like a form of expression for me :X

[BlueChaos]

Hmmm, heard this on the radio and wonder what it means,
"You win/in* already lo... so got how?"

*didn't hear this part clearly

[cinnimon~]

My friends use it. Not sure.

Friend A: Why you pang seh us just now nia
Friend B: I went to go meet my stead
Friend A: Win le la you

Not really sure what it mans as well. =\

[icetears-]

Hahahas I guess it's basically in a sarcastic tone, kind of saying that "you're so good to us mannnnnnn", when you mean the opposite.

[c_c_]

whoa ... what did that line of singlish macdawn type mean?? I'm sorry, like, I'm not all into grammatically correct web talk or anything, I don't even use proper grammar myself, but I do believe in capitalizing your "I"s ("i" just looks weird) spelling out most of the words, etc. and singlish definitely has gotta go. I understand how hard it is to break a habit, but c'mon. "It's the sme as me typ. lik ths. nobdy cn understnd me bcause I am usng the shrthnd I use to tak notes in class whn the tch is tlkng too fst." translated: "It's the same as me typing like this, nobody can understand me because I am using the shorthand I use to take notes in class when the teacher is talking too fast." If the point of posting in a forum is to share your opinion, wouldn't it make sense to do it legibly?

[entrydenied]

Hmm...It's good to not use Singlish that often,even for typing or chatting online. I know people who slip into using Singlish even when they're doing essays for university work.Or friends with smses which you simply cannot understand because it's ridden with abbrieviations.this personal fear stops me from using short forms and Singlish rampantly for smsing and typing...

[laruku]

To all Singaporeans, please note that Singlish is NOT allowed in this forums.

Detailed reasons found in post one (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showpost.php?p=243154&postcount=1) of this thread.

[gnijna]

Phew, i am lucky huh. Wanted to type some singlish here until i saw this thread =/