what religion is jay?

[fantasiekisz]

hey i was like wondering like usual and like i stumbled over some site and it had jay and he was wearing a cross necklace :rock: so it got me thinking u know :? and i'm like wait what religion is jay? is he christian or atheist or like nothing? mind boggling :oops: !

[chukulec]

didn't someone mention in the chat room that jay is christian?

[sesamestreet]

No I don't think Jay is Christian but not sure though..........

[Jo]

yes i was the one that mentioned he is ^ ^

from several evidences i gathered...(or clues)

the fact that he wears around a crucifix sometimes, also in some of his pictures...you can see it

and that his mother is a very devout Christian

in fact when Jay came over here to the US, to Las Vegas, Jay purchased his mother a big Jesus figure

-Jo

[ShunJing]

Jay is Christian. I know this because in one of his bio's, they mentioned that he is Christian. In one of his music videos "William's Castle" he wears a cross necklace. In Las Vegas he also bought a Jesus lamp for his mother. But he celebrates "bai tin gong" pray to the sky. Even before concerts, they have a traditional celebration where they burn incense, and have a fat burnt pig and etc.

[Jo]

yea but that Bai Tian Gong is really just a Chinese Tradition

it used to be somewhat religious

but now its just more of a culture thing with little religious purpose attached to it

so he is Christian

-Jo

[vivien17]

hmm.. it sort of depends how u define Christians, i think. personally i wouldn't call him a Xtian because even tho his mom really wants him to be one (to the extent of telling david tao-another devout christian- to share the word with her son), he still seems to be in limbo between doing it to please his mom versus searching for his own existentialism. Notice he talks abt 'diao' a lot more than god, compared to david tao who often mentions god in his interviews. As far as i know, he doesn't go to church either, even tho i wouldnt say all Xtians have to. as for crucifixes, i wear them all the time cos i like the look of it (Tom Ford revived thru Gucci last winter), and it seems to me that jay views it more of an accessory than a religious item... i suppose he might become a devout Xtian if his mom gets her way, but at this point, i dont think so..

[Jo]

personally i think its better that way

Jay can very well be Christian...because if you're a devout Christian most likely you don't parade around with it

David Tao does it remotely...but people like Vanness that makes corny "I can not be here today without my Dear Lord" comments are really just Christian showoffs

at least to me...a lot of people around me don't know i'm Christian because i tell them...but because of how i act (and sometimes they ask..what's the difference :p)

-Jo

[Angels on clouds]

Hmm...i tink Jay's a diao-ist. :p
he belives in his "diao" so much tt its almost a religion for him. Don't tink he is one to juz follow a certain religion since someone asked him too (mum included). juz look at his emphasis on being different from others. so in conclusion, he's a diao-ist.

Its a pretty hard religion to follow...hee

[jay_8d]

this is the same question that Ayu fans always ask.

My opinion is (same as Ayu) that Jay wear that for accesories. But, i don;t give a damn care on that.

If you're chinese you should Bai Thi Kong, right? It's beyond religion.

[Ziwei]

Hmm...i tink Jay's a diao-ist. :p
he belives in his "diao" so much tt its almost a religion for him. Don't tink he is one to juz follow a certain religion since someone asked him too (mum included). juz look at his emphasis on being different from others. so in conclusion, he's a diao-ist.

wow, tt sounds quite logical! :p i dont know about his religion, mabbe a free-thinker? doesnt meant he wears a cross necklace, he's a christain. my fren's wearing it, but she's not a christain.

[liana]

wow never knew his mom was a devout christian..but he never mentions god anywhere...oh well...

[jay_8d]

it doesn't matter right? you don't mention god, it doesn't makes you a bad person... You mention every second, it also doesn't makes you a good person...

[dabsky]

Jesus lamp for his mom? they can be catholics! christians dont use Jesus symbols, do they??

[~sugarcookie~]

from what i've read here, it sounds like jay and his mom is catholic. and ziwei makes a good point. wearing a cross means absolutely nothing, unless you truely believe in it. when shunjing said that he prays to the heavens, burns the insence, ect, it is a pretty non christian thing to do...so i think that even if he is christian, then he's not a devoted one at all.

[Jo]

Catholics don't use Jesus figures either

Catholicism is very much the same as Christianity...its just Christianity is set up with less "formality" than that of Catholicism

i'm Christian, devout, but i also pray to the heavens and burn insence with my mother (who is Buddhist) when i accompany her to the temple, that doesn't mean i'm not Christian...i pray to the heavens to MY God, and i burn insence to MY God

and if Jay IS Catholic as you said, as opposed to Christian, than he wouldn't be burning Insence and praying to Tu Di Gong or Tian Gong either

-Jo

[~sugarcookie~]

i'm not sure i understand what you mean in the last part...

'and if Jay IS Catholic as you said, as opposed to Christian, than he wouldn't be burning Insence and praying to Tu Di Gong or Tian Gong either'

and as for the pray unto the heavens, christians suppose to pray only unto God?

[jayx8318x]

hmm I'm confused...I thought Catholicism was a FORM of Christianity, not that they were different from each other. Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, Catholic, etc. I thought all fall under the Christianity tree, but each has their own little differences.

[Jo]

well

terminology isn't important

all a true Christian really needs is to be true in his heart

if you're true to your God, no matter what term you use, as "Praying to Heavens" or "Praying to Tian Gong" can all be prayers to God, because God, in Christianity, IS Tian Gong, and He IS the Heavens

the Bible says that anywhere God is, is Heaven

btw i'm not mad or trying to rebuke you personally, i'm just presenting my point of view...sorry if i sound offensive ^ ^;;

edit:

Karen, Catholicism is not a branch of Christianity

the Puritans in essence formed the Modern Christian Church, they were tired of the Catholic ways, the countless formalities, so they broke away and started their own "Jesus Loving" Religion

but they are essentially the same, they agree with the same moral principles

denominations under Christianity are those such as Baptist, Evangelical, Methodist, Lutheran, Quaker etc.

-Jo

[cici bebe]

Catholics believe in the Virgin Mary while..
Christianity believe in God and Jesus.

I'm a Christian but my mom's entire side of the family is Buddhist so when my grandparents (mom's side) died we had this huge Buddhist ceremony (incense, monks, chants, etc.) and I did all those just to honor my grandparents, not because I believe it.

[~sugarcookie~]

christianity...it's kind of hard to explain...i don't want to offend anyone, but baptists, methodists, ect are different denominations of christianity. catholic most people consider it's under the same tree, and some people don't. although it's similar in a lot of ways, they also have vastly different teachings and practices.
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technically, what jo said

and jo: ok...i get it now...i thought you meant you prayed to the actual sky, like some people do.

[Jo]

actually Cici

Catholics believe that Mary is very Holy, but their main theology is still focused on Jesus

so in a Christian's point of view, Catholics ARE going to heaven, and ARE worshipping the right God

Mormonism i think is what you are thinking of, they worship Mother Mary and lesser deities such as Michael the Archangel



-Jo

[~sugarcookie~]

what's the difference between jehovah's witnesses and protestants?

[-dream-]

..well, heh a little late in this discussion, but first thing first, I think i read somewhere Jay Is NOT christian, i know very well that his Mother is a devoted christian or a catholic, and she is trying to get jay to believe too, that's what i've read before. n the thing about burning insense and stuff, i think that as a christian, yes, the heart is really what's the most important, and that's all god really asks from us, but that doesn't mean actions are not required. i mean, if i worship other gods, yet i say i'm a devoted christian, i think there's something wrong. I know a lot of chinese people burn insense and stuff to their ancestors and things like that, and it's quite hard to avoid, since now it's more of a tradition and culture, rather than real religious purposes nowadays, but i still don't think that a real christian should do something like that, well try to avoid it as well as possible.
Jehovah's witnesses are a group of people, or a religion, it's actually quite different from protestants, protestants were a group of people that seperated themselves from the catholic church a while back, because they didn't agree with the catholic ways, so they rebelled against the church. Jehovah's witnesses, i'm not sure how they really formed, but a lot of people go around saying that, and they appear to be like christians, but they're a whole different thing, n if i remembered correctly, because i can't quite remember, but the Jehovah's witnesses are kind of like the muslims, how they started, because this guy who founded this, said that god 'dropped down' a book for him and so they all follow the 'book' instead of the bible.

[~sugarcookie~]

oh, so they're the ones with the additional book, besides the bible? and so mormons...are they the ones who believe that guy who claimed to find those plate things with etchings on them?

[-dream-]

well actually, i was referring to mormons..but they're also called as the "jesus latter day saints' or something like dat, and i think datz the jehovah's witnesses...but yah, mormons was the one with a guy that claims that god gave him this 'book' or plate or something of the sort. unless i got the jehovah's witnesses n the mormons mixed up...sorry if i'm being confusing here... :oops: if anyone knos im wrong, feel free to correct me

[bubbletgurl]

wow so many intelluctual ppl here that know about religions.. ~sugarcookie~ ~> i didn't even know about these kinda stuff when i was 14!!.. that's really cool how you're like curious about it.. well a lota the stuff that jojie & dream said are correct.. obviously they've been educated somehow concerning the difference between these religions mentioned above.. all i wanna add is to emphasize this *CHRISTIANITY* we're talking about.. it's definitely a way of living, a way of life, the choices that you make, the words that you speak.. if they please God.. then you're being a "good CHristian".. because if you BELIEVE.. then these things will follow.. it's a package deal (^_~) being a Christian is not easy.. but God's responsibility for us is not hard.. simply He wants us to believe Him with all our hearts, to give ourselves to Him.. let Him be in control of our lives..

i've found that to be the main core of Christianity.. if we keep thinking we can do all things - which obviously is IMPOSSIBLE for humans.. if we keep thinking we know it all, we have A LOT to learn.. if we keep thinking we know our lives better than anyone else, we're wrong.. because humans are so vulnerable.. so weak.. God is the almighty and powerful.. He's our strength when we are weak, and only thru our prayers will He show us.. He's a just God.. He doesn't FORCE us to believe.. our else.. everyone in this world would HAVE to be Christian.. instead, He gives us a CHOICE.. the decision is up to us.. and if we chose Him - hallelujah.. we not, then we gota bear the consequences of this brutal sucky world..

yeah the word "god" is used in many religions.. but it first came from the BIBLE - the living word, the truth.. that's where you can find all the answers.. and yeah, sometimes it can seem to be boring cuz it's so deep and in depth.. almost abstract sometimes.. but if you really are interested, i encourage you to read James, 1 Corinthians...etc in the back of the Bible.. it's a lot easier to understand, and it shows you what being a Christian is all about..

so hehe.. sorry i typed too much ><! hopefully this doesn't further confuse anyone @_@! i was soooo convinced to see that there are so many brothers and sisters in this forum! let's live our lives to show the love of Christ..

have a blessed day everyone! (^_^)

[ashley]

ok this goes out tor all you christians in the discussion (i'm one myself).

what would God say about our 'worshipping' jay? take me for instance, i'm so consumed by his songs that i'm starting to neglect other things. even when i'm trying to pray, i'm humming his songs subconsciously !

i have it bad... really BAAAD. and jay did this.

[bubbletgurl]

hahaha.. ashley~> hey girl.. yeah i thought about this myself too.. but you know what.. as long as you're not consumed by like FOLLOWING after jay.. doing everything he does.. being the person he is.. i don't think it's "worship" yeah i like him a lot myself.. my FAV. SINGER as of right now.. i don't think he's PERFECT.. i know that only GOD is perfect.. and that's who i'm living my life for.. not JAY.. you know? yeah my dream is to one day meet him face to face and get to talk to him and all.. but JAY can never replace God in my life.. i know it's kinda risky to say that sometimes, but it's not a sin to like a talented artist.. it becomes a sin when you forget about God.. when your heart and your mind is all full of JAY.. i was kinda like that after the concert.. but i was reminded to thank God for allowing me to go to his concert. and enjoy the fun and be happy.. God wants us to have fun and be happy too! but overall.. when it comes down to the reality.. the core of life ~> you need God! jay can't fulfill your life completely.. only God can.. amen!? :angel:

ps. so what i suggest you to do.. is to calm your heart, and ask God if your heart is in the right place.. is jay taking up too much of your heart that you're leaving God outa the place? sincerely pray about it.. GOd will hear it and do something about it.. gota have faith!

[Jo]

time to clear this up

Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT Christians

they are what are referred to as Cults by Christianity

the founder designed the Bible, him and his circle of councelers voted to decide whether Jesus said some things or not, if they decide Jesus said it, then it is put into their new book...they have an edited version of the Bible, and also an accompany guide...also, unbelievers don't go to Hell in this religion, they cease to exist

Catholics ARE Christians, and Protestants are the ones that broke away from Catholicism during the British Colonialzation, they were banished from Britain and rooted here, these starters are what referred to as Puritans, as i have mentioned above...for a period of time Mormonism was outlawed, and so they escaped to what is now the state of Utah, or back then known as the "Unexplored West" to continue their worship

Mormonism worships Mother Mary and Michael the Archangel, to them, Jesus isn't a savior, Mary is; rather, Jesus is the Archangel sent by God to tell prophetic tales of the future

their belief system centers around becoming God yourself, if you're a decent Mormon, you rise up into heaven and become a God to rule your own universe, if you're a bad Mormon, there IS no hell, you simply cease to exist as in Jehovah's Witness

-Jo

[ashley]

that's comforting, bubbletgurl.

i guess i can relate to what you said. so i am not idolising him(jay) in the context that the bible forbids us to. you're right, i'm not living my life for him and i'm not doing thing to get his approval.

it's HIM (God) that i'm dedicated to.

you're great. i see the difference now. thank you thank you thank you!!! :bounce:

[~sugarcookie~]

jo: that's not what they (jehovah witnesses) think. i never did consider them part of christianity.

and ashley, what bubbleteagurl said is very true, but a lot of times, it's still a hard struggle. even when you don't intentionally do it, you might tend to put jay in that spot. but that's also why no one is perfect. we all have our own faults, and us jay fans just happen to all have one of our many faults in common

[bubbletgurl]

hehe np ashley.. i'm glad that i've found another sister in Christ who's also a jay fan (^_~) but yeah like sugar cookie said.. we still fall short.. so we gota examine our selves every now and then.. to see if our heart's in the right place.. it's so encouraging to see so many children of God in this forum.. and all the way from malaysia too! (^_~)

i get the chills from reading all you guys' educated posts.. heh, way to go!

[ashley]

makes the 'sister-hood' more meaningful, doesn't it? i'm also glad that we get to share the more private feelings.

i certainly feel a lot better after those encouraging words of you guys. phew...relieved, in a way too. :roll:

[Jo]

jo: that's not what they (jehovah witnesses) think. i never did consider them part of christianity.

i don't get what you mean

thats not what they think? or you never thought of them as Christians?

-Jo

[-dream-]

Catholics ARE Christians, and Protestants are the ones that broke away from Catholicism during the British Colonialzation, they were banished from Britain and rooted here, these starters are what referred to as Puritans, as i have mentioned above...-Jo

um, weren't christianity started by the puritans? First the protestants broke away from the catholics and then the puritans came from the protestants because they wanted to be 'pure' of all catholic ways, which the protestants still contained some of it, n that's why they moved away so the puritans, which is from the protestants, are the christians, instead of the Christians being the Catholics......sorry if i'm confusing, i was just wondering...

[Jo]

neither of them are catholics anymore

we still consider Protestants Christians...that is...most Christian demoninations claim Protestants under their wings

but Catholics are Catholics, Christians are Chrisitans

clearer now? ^ ^;;



-Jo

[~sugarcookie~]

jo: that's not what they (jehovah witnesses) think. i never did consider them part of christianity.

i don't get what you mean

thats not what they think? or you never thought of them as Christians?

-Jo

i meant, the jehovah witnesses consider themselves christian, just another demonination. but i've always been taught that they aren't.
and bubbletgurl: i agree! i had no idea there were so many christians in here.

[Jo]

oic...yes you're right about that

i've never considered them Christians either

but they DO think they're Christians (no offense if you're JV)

i mean...when another "Church" and "Fellowship" tries to recruit members from OTHER churches...

you know something's wrong

-Jo

[~sugarcookie~]

yeah, i used to belong to this church that is now seriously screwed up. i'm not afraid to say it here because i know none of the members here attend that church, but there was this time when two members of the opposite sex met for lunch, and it became this scandal. stupid, and they tried to not let people speak to people from this other church!

[ashley]

ooo.. now that seems so out of line - not encouraging men and women to mingle. well... unless those 2 were married to other people. but then again, why can;t thet sit down for lunch?

it's sad that christians , all who believe that jesus is god... tend to form 'branches' of their own versions of god.

do you christians ever wonder if we're going to the right sect?

p/s: dear moderators, wanna for another forum for all these discussions abt religion?

[-dream-]

Jo: yah, i knew that christians and catholics weren't the same, i was just saying from which one it came out from, but thanks anyways :D

n yah, the Jehovah's Witnesses do go around appearing to be like christians, but later on u'll obviously know whether they are or not. :oops:

[~sugarcookie~]

ashley, yes, i've often wondered. everyone believes that what they believe in is right, which is why they believe in it in the first place. but then i also know that if God is real, then He has placed me where i am for a special purpose. it doesn't really matter what denomination you're in, as long as your heart is true. God isn't going to condemn anyone for being in the 'wrong' denomination, it isn't their fault they believe it's right, but we must also learn how to descern certain things so we can know if the things that are being taught to us is real, or if the teachings are missing some imporrtant value.

[ashley]

sugarcookie, you sound more matured than your age, girl!
i agree with you. everyone has a choice to believe and to discern. they make the choice and God deals with it. i love to know that He is in charge of everything.

[~sugarcookie~]

lol! um...thx...

don't you just wish that God would give you a piece of paper, with all the right choices on them, so we don't have to sit and think? :D

[Jo]

that wish can never happen

God did create a race that are given rules to follow, and they only had a moment to make their choice...those who chose to follow what God wrote down stay high up in Heaven, and those who turned against Him will someday be cast away into the Abyss

God decided to give humans more freedom...and humans took the wrong step and disobeyed God's first commandment

now we have a lifetime to make our final choice...and there are so many of them

sometimes i do wonder if i've made the right one...but Christians are all the same, so are Catholics...even though we disagree on certain aspects and values...the basic meanings of His Word, and the basic principles in life remain intact...its like taking different routes that all end up in the same destination...as long as you don't stray from the light that guides you through the path, you will get there

its cool to see so many people confessing their Christianity here..its so sad our society today makes it hard to admit your faith in public...because people have asked me before "so what are you? a Christian?"...and i answered "yes, i am a Christian"...and they follow with "oh, so you're one of those!" what should i say in return? i said "yes i am, so what are you? one of the other ones?"...that usually shuts them up and they come back with a "whatever"



-Jo

[jay_8d]

"those who chose to follow what God wrote down stay high up in Heaven, and those who turned against Him will someday be cast away into the Abyss "

How come, i mean god ever wrote?

[~sugarcookie~]

what do you mean by 'how come, God ever wrote?'

[ashley]

i think jay_8d is asking if God actually did the action of writing something .

[correct me if i'm wrong, jay_8d!}

[~sugarcookie~]

oh in that case, no, i don't think God himself ever wrote...unless if you count that time with the moses or those things that happen in other places that you never hear about.

[aina]

i agree with "diao"ist!!!! we are all "diao"-ist, we all believe in "jayism"!!!
actually, i never know that jay is christians, never read about that!!!

[jay_8d]

each personal has different way, i think one people, one religion

[bubbletgurl]

i just wanted to post this up.. this is what i read today from the Daily Bread.. some of you may know, this is something some Christians read each day to strengthen their faith in God.. (^_^)

i wanted to post this up because i recall there was a comment about not being able to have fun in this world if you become Christian...

March 14, 2003

True Satisfaction
Read: Ecclesiastes 2:1-11

The eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. —Ecclesiastes 1:8

Bible In One Year: 1 Samuel 1-3




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A man stopped at a travel agency and said he wanted to go on a cruise. "Where to?" he was asked. "I don't know," was his reply. So the travel agent suggested that he take a look at a large globe that was in the room. He studied it for some time, then with a look of frustration he exclaimed, "Is this all you have to offer?"

The world in which we live has many things that appeal to us. Apart from what is sinful, we can and should enjoy its pleasures. A delicious meal graced with the good fellowship of friends warms our hearts. The beauties of nature inspire and fill us with wonder. Good music refreshes our souls. And work itself can be fulfilling.

Even in a sin-cursed world we can find great enjoyment. And yet these pursuits do not bring full and lasting satisfaction. In fact, people who live only for self-gratification, no matter how lofty their achievements, will always long for more. It makes no difference how deeply they drink from the wells of this world's pleasures, their thirst is still not satisfied. They must agree with Solomon that "all is vanity and grasping for the wind" (Ecclesiastes 2:17).

Only by living for Jesus Christ do we experience true satisfaction. —Richard W. De Haan


The world is filled with so much good
That brings us joy and pleasure,
But true fulfillment only comes
When Christ we love and treasure. —Sper

Putting Christ first brings satisfaction that lasts.

source: www.rbc.org

[dazzlette]

hey i think it's quite conincidental that this whole topic came up.. cos i've been feeling really bad that i've been quite..errr.. "consumed" by jay's music.. i mean as a Christian i know i should put God first and all... today i had some kind of youth meeting and the pastor was talking about how he gave up dirty secular music to experience a breakthrough in his life.. and encouraged us to break free from such strongholds.. anyhow this whole thing immediately popped up in my mind again and i struggled.. unfortunately i became quite self-defensive.. believing that there's nothing wrong with jay's music honestly.. its very healthy (no swear language or dirty content).. and even jay himself has said he doesn't believe in using bad language in his music.. anyhow the truth is i find it very hard to give up jay's music cos i simply like it a lot.. it's like the freshest music around with a sound so different frm the rest.. jay himself is not a bad person or anything.. so well i dun see anything wrong with liking him or listening to his music..

anyhow just sharing some thoughts.. pretty glad to see so many christians here too :)

[-dream-]

heh, i agree that God won't give us all the list of right things to do and the list of things not to do, It's hard to make choices when even we don't know if it is right or not, but God gives us freedom even tho we disobey him, he didn't make us like robots, and besides, when he does start telling u every step and what to do next, u'll be saying "don't i just wish god gave us the freedom"...
As for the secular music,..i mean, yes it's not healthy to listen to bad influencial songs, but i don't find anything harmful in Jay's songs. God didn't tell us that we couldn't listen to music just because we're christians, right? we just have to chose to do what we believe is right to do sometimes, because there is no absolute right or wrong for some things in life.

[bubbletgurl]

amen DREAMS!!~> i totally agree with the God giving us freedom thing (^_~)

hey DAZELLE!!~> it's really cool how you're so honest about it.. i know i was kinda like that for a while too "self-defensive".. but to think about it.. if you have to become self-defensive.. if you have to come to the point of having to DEFEND yourself.. [i might sound real strict] it's almost like you're comforting yourself from being guilty.. and it is said in the Bible.. guilt has something to do with sin.. and of course, we know that's not good.. i'll pray for you even tho i dont know you.. hopefully that's cool with you.. knowing that you're a sister in Christ, just makes things so much more personal and close.. i know i should pray for myself too.. and of course, jay's music is not BAD.. but if it consumes as too much.. ><~ then that might LEAD to something that's not pleasing to God.. you know!? hopefully, and i'll pray and hopefully you'll pray too that God will give you a peace in your heart and place your heart in the right place where He wants it to be (^_^) yeah it's hard to even admit it.. that we're so crazy about jay.. but be honest with God, He knows exactly how you feel.. so as long as you come to Him, and as much as you do'nt want to give up jay's music in your life.. ask God to help you not be too consumed.. i know it sounds like we might HAFTA give up jay's music or something, but i don't think God's like that, He's just, He's fair.. He knows what's best for us.. and that'll lead to eternal happiness.. so just give it up to God.. let Him know how much you like jay's music and ask Him to help you control that.. because we're vulnerable humans.. we don't know how to control ourselves properly.. and He does.. amen!? (^_~) anyway, good luck and i'll definitely pray for you and whoever's struggling out there.. i know i need some prayers too, as always.. and God's there to listen to these precious prayers (.n_n.)

here's something that might help you: [everything's is found in the book of the truth - Bible]
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable–if anything is excellent or praiseworthy–think about such things.
(Whole Chapter: Philippians 4 In context: Philippians 4:7-9)

[cici bebe]

To the whole "if God ever wrote thing" technically no he didn't but he wrote THROUGH people.. if you know what I mean. Like the disciples and them could only write through the God, so He incorporated His ideas and gave it to man to write.

Wow all of you guys are so strong with Christ. =D It's great to see more people like this. I feel like I'm constantly slipping though. Like sometimes I'd be so there w/ Christ then the next I'd feel really far from him. I'd go for a long time without praying, devotions, or church because lately I've just been so busy and worn out. >_< It irritates me a lot of when go off and on.. it's like this never ending cycle. Always off and on and I'm trying hard to ALWAYS stay with Him but I guess it's a never ending process. Vicious cycle.

I might I might split this topic in two and move the other part to Small Talk..

[-dream-]

cici: yah i feel as tho i'm slipping away many times too, it's just that as much as i don't want to admit it, and actually i'm afraid to admit it, that i don't really know if i love god the way i know how the real christians do, the thing is, i've tried many times to get close to him, but sometimes i just don't get it, maybe i'm lacking in personal experiences with him, which i'm hoping i will get someday. as for this splitting into two topics, well i don't really mind, i feel comfortable just posting here but if u'd like to split it, than go ahead :)

[~sugarcookie~]

jay's music should'nt be regarded as bad secular music, the lyrics are not harmful, and neither is he. or at least he shouldn't be...what i mean is, if you can't stop yourself from putting jay in God's place, then God would want you to give him up. God has different things for everyone to follow

[bubbletgurl]

hey you guys!~ :)

i felt like making this post a letter to you all.. hehe.. anyway, so concerning the whole Catholic vs. Christian thing.. here are some differences from some sermons i've heard and discussing with one of my closest sisters in Christ.. Catholicsm basically says that you have to go to priests to confess your sins to him, they kinda worship virgin mary so they kinda "idolize" her because she's human - and they think that because God is too high up there that you can't communicated with Him.. instead you need to go to a human being, who ironically is as same as you and me, who fall short, who stumble, who make mistakes, who are not perfect.. how can we get answers from ppl just like us!? with Christians, we believe we can have a PERSONAL relationship with God.. that's why He sent Jesus down to earth to die for us.. to link, connect us with God.. God wants to be with His children, He wants to talk to us, bless us, take care of us.. He's that personal.. yet Catholics don't think God is as personal as that or something..

and just to make clear.. that not all the religions are the same.. even tho they all proclaim to worship "god" it's not the same God as we, Christians believe.. and diff religions don't all lead to the same thing.. here's a Bible verse that can clarify what i mean:

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and braod is the road that leads to destrcution, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." ~ Matt 7:13-14

let me know if you guys have anymore Qs.. i really feel burdened to help you.. you can private msg me if you feel comfortable.. and i'll try my hardest to help clarify any confusions i've made..! ><~

[dazzlette]

hey bubbletgurl.. thanx for ur really encouraging reply, praying for me and the piece of scripture.. don't worry i'll keep ya in payer too..
recently i've been having a low spiritual life so when i was listening to the pastor i wondered whether jay's music had anything to do with it.. but i realise there are of course many other factors as well..
anyhow about the vicious cycle thing i really can totally relate to that.. i go through it all the time.. i know it's tough but we must all consistently make the effort to be close to Him.. only then we can possibly break out off this cycle..
and other thing.. although jay's music is not bad.. it's still called secular cos it's non-religious.. as in there's no element of religion in the songs as well..


anyhow it's great to me all of you sisters in Christ here in the forums.. :)

[~sugarcookie~]

another question catholic related questions: what are rosary beads and where in their bible does it say that a believer should have them?

[bubbletgurl]

as for sugarcookie's last Q concerning the rosary beads.. here's something my friend found online:

The purpose of the Rosary is to help keep in memory certain principal events or mysteries in the history of our salvation, and to thank and praise God for them. There are twenty mysteries reflected upon in the Rosary, and these are divided into the five JOYFUL MYSTERIES, the five LUMINOUS MYSTERIES, the five SORROWFUL MYSTERIES, and the five GLORIOUS MYSTERIES.

but basically we don't think the Bible talks about the rosary beads, it's something like they take a bead and say a prayer or something.. *shrugs*

but here's more:
http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%2fweb.ask.com%2fweb%3fq%3dwha t%2bare%2brosary%2bbeads%253f%26o%3d0&q=what+are+rosary+beads%3f&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww.rosary-center.org%2fhowto.htm&s=a

[~sugarcookie~]

thx...wow...the whole thing is so long! say so much stuff...

[candy]

is it ok that i interrupt you ppl's discussion on Christianity and get back to the topic...hee..sorry.. :sleep:

umm..at the tvb8 music awards last year..jay and david tao were on stage together and david mentioned that he'd met jay's mother recently (and that they're both Christians), and said he (or j's mother?! can't remember...) had given jay a bible..then asked jay if he'd read it..and jay laughed and quickly answered 'yes yes'...

hmm....so not sure if he is...(probably not a devout one?! ..at least..)

[Mike]

Geng Hong is christian, he told me, i dont' know about Jay... But Geng Hong wears a crucifix and he got an airbrush tattoo of the cross on his arm in Universal Studios...

[~sugarcookie~]

:( that makes me so happy!! (Geng Hong)
i don't mean to doubt jay's faith, but from the way he answered, it sounds as if he didn't mean it...like he just said it and didn't actually do it

[elaine]

ummm...going back to jehovah's witnesses...they are christians...why u ppl say that they are not?

[~sugarcookie~]

they consider themselves christians, but most protestant christians don't...i think it's because they add all this extra stuff to their belief that's not according to the bible

[elaine]

they do?? i thought they follow the bible very closely. they have God's name in their bible but other christians don't have that in hier bible. well, i don't know...I always thought that jehovah's witnesses is quite good. i think they follow the bible closely enough.

[vvcute]

one of the jehoval's witnesses come to my home every saturday to teach me the bible. it's true that they have their own version of bible but i think they do try to translate the "earliest original version" of the bible closely when they were making their version. anyways, i think jehoval's witnesses and other christians try to mock eachother all the time. especially they all kinda want to believe that the other group of christians don't follow the bible but it actually turns out that both of them do. i believe that Jehovah is righteous and faire and that he won't punish us for being in the "wrong" (there is no right) group, because it's really not our falt. anyways, i really love this topic and i think i share the same feelings as a lot of other people here do.

[Bunny]

ok this goes out tor all you christians in the discussion (i'm one myself).

what would God say about our 'worshipping' jay? take me for instance, i'm so consumed by his songs that i'm starting to neglect other things. even when i'm trying to pray, i'm humming his songs subconsciously !

i have it bad... really BAAAD. and jay did this.

I'm so glad u brought this up, cuz I've been thinking a lot on the same thing lately, and it's been bugging the heck out of me too... But after reading u and bubbletgurl's posts, it really helped me sort things out. Just wanted to say thanx!

The reason I felt guilty was that I would spend more time obsessing over Jay than I would reading the Bible or something. I thought if only I had the same passion towards God I had for Jay I would be like, the best Christian ever! I also worried that I was turning Jay into an idol, which of course is sinful. Now I know that J will never take over the number one place in my heart, and I would choose God over him in a second. Besides... Lord understands me the most... I think he doesn't mind it when I act like the crazed, over-obsessive teen I am... becuz that's me, and He knows it.

I'm pretty sure Jay's not a Christian (too bad). I know that his mom is, but remember how he prayed to the 'sky god' for good weather or something, before his Taiwan concert? I'm sure his mom must have some influence over him, but judging from his priorities and some of his actions, he doesn't seem like a real church-goer to me.

[bubbletgurl]

AMEN BUNNY! praise the Lord.. haha no no don't worries mods, we're not turning this into a Christian outreach thing.. but just for those Christians out there.. i hope God is teaching u the number 1 in ur lives.. which like BUNNY said.. should be God and God alone.. jay is definitely a VERY talented person.. and i believe God has granted that to him.. who else? and i'm praying also that one day jay will see that.. that God has blessed him with this musical talent and maybe one day he'll become a Christian singer!? haha.. *shrug* don't know.. but i hope that jay'll be saved some day.. that he'll know Christ like we do :o)

[lareine]

it has been interesting reading all these but somehow i think this discussion has went out of topic and has turned into a christianity discussion and there are some misconceptions too regarding the different branches of christian groups. Especially bubbletgurl...no offence but i think you're being bias. First of all.... catholics do not worship Mother mary but they honour her as the mother of God and they do not pray to her but ask her to intercede for them their prayers just like we ask our friends to pray for us. second, the rosary is a form of prayer and a powerful one. Though it is not mention in the bible but it's origin can be traced back to those whom mother mary had appeared to them in vision and taught them about the rosary. Many miracles have been reported too. third, although catholics go for confession....it doesn't mean that they dun have personal relationship with God. The priest serves as a mediator for God (just like God's angels) and also a counsellor for those who confess their sins and need guidances. anyway, i'm not trying to start an argue here but just wanna clarify some things. As for jay...i read somewhere that his mom is a catholic and he's "probably" a free thinker. Anyway, most importantly, whether we are christians or catholics it doesn't matter. What matters is that we believe in our God and we believe in love and humanity. the same goes for the other religions.

[-dream-]

well, you're right, it has gone very off topic, but since i think this topic was left alone for some time already, so we decided to just leave it here. I'm sure that some catholics loves Gods and follows the bible just as christians do, after all, christians branched out of the roman catholic church to begin with. But I do see that Catholics pay a lot of attention to Mary, almost putting her at the same level as Jesus, which really shouldn't be..i'm not saying that all of them are like that, it's just from what i know. I don't think it'll be of any use to continue this, certainly, we don't need arguments or anything of the sort, so i'm going to leave this topic now, i think there's been enough said.

[estherz]

he might not be..i've got a pic of him burning joss sticks. and christians DO NOT burn joss sticks. i believe this picture is b4 his performance.

[cici bebe]

We also discussed that burning joss sticks is a Chinese tradition. I burned them for my grandparents' funeral and I'm certainly a Christian.

[~sugarcookie~]

but if you think back to the original meaning...(of burning the sticks) i think that just because it's tradition it doesn't mean that we should do it. what if it was tradition to eat blood?

[GuArDiAn AnGeL]

Oh really!!??!?! i didn't know jay's mom is a devout christian either lol....thats cool ^-^* but i think it doesn't really matter wut religion jay believes in...cuz after all we'll still love him no matter wut he believes....even if hes christian, or ne other religion...we'll still love him the same way~! :love:

[nickie]

jay is not christian really although his mum would like him to be one. i'm pretty sure coz i read it i magazine some where. jay's mum also told david tao how she would like jay to be a christian and that's why david ended giving jay a bible.

[jjfgirl]

i don't think jay's christian. when david tao asked him if he'd been reading the bible(at that one awards ceremony), he just kind of laughed it off. people wear crosses all the time, even if they aren't christian. it's part of the "show." their attempt at looking cool. but if he is, that's cool too. it's not like he's publicly said one way or another.

[Mike]

i had a cross. I cost like 1000 dollars US. it was pure platinum and my grandma bought it for me like when i was 9. I had it this school year but somehow i lost it. it jsut disappeared... :(

[JiE_LuN'z_BabE]

oh my...so he's christian??? i never knew bout that...i always thought he was buddhist or some sort... &gt;.&lt;

[liztsumi]

Hmm...i tink Jay's a diao-ist. :p
he belives in his "diao" so much tt its almost a religion for him. Don't tink he is one to juz follow a certain religion since someone asked him too (mum included). juz look at his emphasis on being different from others. so in conclusion, he's a diao-ist.

wow, tt sounds quite logical! :p i dont know about his religion, mabbe a free-thinker? doesnt meant he wears a cross necklace, he's a christain. my fren's wearing it, but she's not a christain.

I agree that for Jay what matters the most is the believe in the essence of his music creativity. Even tho' I'm a Xtian I don't go to church a lot since I don't have faith in the church, and I also have my own personal believes which not always agrees with the Bible. I think Jay has very strong personal believes which lie on top of his belief in God. But of course, he has already a comfy spot reserved for him on heaven, cuz he s an angel.

[LiTobLuEsTaR724]

is he daoist? christian...buddhist? i thought i read that he was buddhist? okay i ono~

[freakykidd]

i don't think jay is any religion...a lot of ppl tht isn't chritstian wears cross..it's just a style..but maybe he is..i dunno..

[Flare]

well ... i guess jay is a free-thinker. Talkin about wearing a Cross around the neck ... well tat is a fashion i guess ...

[Jam]

ya, Jay is a free thinker... he once said that he's not ready to believe in God yet. But his mum is a christian. News on Jay's religion here (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2981)

[mona_3838]

I dun think so that he is Christian.. coz i saw his Cd da one... and he--&gt; bai thi kong
i'm Christian.. and my mom never let me do that although my dad is Chinese and my mom is Taiwanese

[Zell]

Hm....not sure,but i saw him wearing a cross...but as so many say that he is a free-thinker,so I'll think he is a free thinker.

[mona_3838]

haha i know now.. since i saw his new mv. "yi fu zhi ming" i'm so much sure that he is not christian!! coz he can't even make a cross "In the name of father of son......"

[haylee]

Jesus lamp for his mom? they can be catholics! christians dont use Jesus symbols, do they??

there r lots of different denominations of Christainity and in each denomination ppl have their own opinions...........sooo i they could just b christians or catholics.

ma friend told me that jay wasn't a christian btu his paretns r trying 2 make him 1!

[wackycashew]

wowwy! wouldn't have realized so many fellow brothers and sisters are part of this forum if i didn't stumble across this. :) you guys are so insightful and encouraging!! i gotta admit that it's easy to slip into "jay obsession" mode if not careful. the sharings on keeping in check who's #1 in our lives and who we truly worship were very helpful. so, thank you! i guess it's all part of learning self-control and self-discipline. i also learned some cool facts from you guys about the history of Christianity and such. neat-o! :happy: as for jay, i'm glad that his mom's not pressuring him into believing as that would defeat the purpose. i'm sure God has His perfect timing for jay. out of curiosity, who do you guys know that are Christian artists? i only know about david tao and tension.

[rou]

Hmm...i tink Jay's a diao-ist. :p
he belives in his "diao" so much tt its almost a religion for him. Don't tink he is one to juz follow a certain religion since someone asked him too (mum included). juz look at his emphasis on being different from others. so in conclusion, he's a diao-ist.

Its a pretty hard religion to follow...hee

Agree Totally!!! heh... basically i just think that he's a free-thinker who doesnt believe in any religion but himself...

[Kate_Chou]

Basicly I believe that Jay doesn't have a religion, if he did he will be a Chinese Folk, a religion that most chinese are, they always celebrated chinese new year, and other celebration like duan wu jie, chong chu jie and other different festive.

[Pei fong]

But i still dun get whether he is christian or buddhist? Anyway, no matter he is christian or not, as long as he is jay, everone will continue to support him, right?

[dreayh]

Eh...what is the meaning of 'diao'? And why does Jay uses it so much?

[Jess]

Dreayh! :offtopic: What does diao have anything to do with Jay's religion?

But to answer your question... Literally? Diao means 'penis.'

Figuratively? The way Jay uses it? Diao means 'cool.'

Now please don't go off topic again.

[ankh]

ma friend told me that jay wasn't a christian btu his paretns r trying 2 make him 1!

i didn't know that jay's dad was a christian. i thought it was only jay's mum. but true that she hopes he can be a christian... but jay is still a free-thinker. guess the yi fu zhi ming song has made alot of ppl think he's a christian.

i remember he offered joss sticks once and his mum was so angry!

[xiaotianshi]

hmz.. i think he is a christian. if not why he keep using churches for his mvs? and in his latest album.. his yi fu zhi ming mv he also sorta prayed and stuff dere.. (although i think that's a catholic church). i dunno.. but the feeling i have is that he's a christian la.. well.. he believes in his 'diao' but that doesn't mean he's not a christian? 'diao' is like his character and wad he believes in but den.. that is like not reli religious or wadeva wad.. is just some personal principles? yeah.. that's just my two cent worth of words.. hahaha.. =) :blush:

[beckkeong]

i would believe that jay is either a buddish.. a taoist.. or a christian.. since these are the more pre-dominant religions in taiwan...

my guess very much is that he is a buddish.. you all should go ask zhou mama..

anyway.. lets try to keep religion talk out of the forums.. cos its a senstive subject.. and believe me ..it can get out of hand.

[Nereid89]

i think he may wear curfixes as they may be a gift from his mum??? who knows.....

[cacky]

Since all of us are curious, why don't we just drop a note to Alfa music and check with them? Maybe we'll get the answer there?

[nong_aey]

Never try to define if he is catholic or Xtian, but i feel his attitude and ethic are prone to Budhism such his gratitude to his parent and generosity to all people :angel: (as gone through all news posted). the other respect, he always has sense of east guy (gentle and kind). though i am sure that he is not xtian or catholic in YFZM mv that a western guy taught Jay to pray :) ... if am wrong..correct me :yeah:

[Ed_nor23]

I think Jay is a christian, it might be Catholic.. I'm not that Sure!?! :? But i do have alot of pictures that Jay is wearing a necklace n it is a cross. Sometime he do wear it, When was interview or with Zhou Mama. :bleh: N btw.., Christian n Catholic is almost the same. :bounce:

[tingwei]

this doesn't really say what religion Jay is but just as a side fact the high school he went to in Taiwan, 淡江中學, was started by Christian Presbyterian missionaries and the role of Christianity in its history is still highlighted at the school (like they have museums of the school's history on the campus and a cemetery and stuff)...that doesn't mean that the school or the students are really Christian nowadays but it does mean that Jay was probably exposed a lot to Christianity growing up...

[cacky]

haha i know now.. since i saw his new mv. "yi fu zhi ming" i'm so much sure that he is not christian!! coz he can't even make a cross "In the name of father of son......"

Mona, I don't think that's true. I just watched the MV this morning and I think he did the sign of the cross pretty correctly. However, this doesn't make him a Christian.

I would believe that his mom is one. As for him, he's probably still on the free-thinker stage, still discovering. I don't think he has time to commit to a religion also, knowing him.

Also, studying in a Christian school could have sorta influenced or enhanced his knowledge on the Christian faith, but whether he ultimately wanted to be a Christian is still up to him. Don't you all think so?

[bel-chan]

i agree with cacky. knowing about christianity may not necessarily make you want to be one. i have friends who studied in christian schools but aren't christians either. what it all boils down to is that it is really Jay's choice, his own decision on whether he wants to commit or not. being a christian isn't just about being one. there's more to it, just like there's more to being a buddhist than just in name only.

coz he can't even make a cross "In the name of father of son......"
and by the way, making a cross sign does not determine whether you are a christian or not.if i'm not wrong, usually catholics use the sign more than christians. not that i'm saying that christians can't use the sign...but i prefer to go by my favourite line, 'The cross isn't about jewellery. It's about Jesus.'

i think i shall shut up now before i offend someone. sorry. *zips mouth*

[bweebschan]

Hey! I'm happy to see fellow Christians in this site! And i also struggle with placing God above Jay, and other things that are often distracting. I think some on you gave very good advice and encouragement :wink2:
I read in one of the old news in this site that Jay's one regret to his mum is that she wants him to be baptised as a Christian but he is not ready, and he also said maybe he needs a divine intervention....he also said that his mum has changed a lot after being a Christian, that she used to have a bad temper and scold him a lot but is no longer like dat now :)

[jazzy_kan@yahoo.com.sg]

Even if he is wearing a cross on his neck, tt doesnt means tt he is a christian
a lot of ppl wear a cross bcos they think tt it is cool :bleh:

[JianDan[Ai]]

He wore the cross in Yi Fu Zhi Ming b/c that is what the mv is about...i dont think he ever wore it outside of that...he part of an itialan mafia in the mv...what would expect?

[cici bebe]

I just don't get it. Why would people think that wearing a cross makes someone Christian? Maybe they just like the look of it. Just like wearing a hat doesn't make you a hat.

[hisashi]

Yeah. It is the same as having a Christian name doesn't mean u are Christian. I have one but I am not Christian. It's popular to have one at that time when I was born. :P

[phoebe]

cicibebe you are so funny and so right - the external signs of religion is so much decortion - only the integrity of the person is important . i respect jay and everyone else religionist inclination as long as it's not fanatism . find whichever god at your own time and not feel obliged to follow or coerce by feelings of love or hate .

[lil~jo]

Well, yes I agree with all of you...
wearing a cross doesn't mean you are christian,
one of my friends is saitanic, and she wears a cross in school, because thats the only piece of jewery you can wear (im my school you can only wear jewelry that shows your religion, ie buddhist, christian, ala etc)

On the other hand, if you were totally again christianity, you wouldn't wear a cross At ALL!

SO in conclusion, Jay may be christian....and if not...
he has nothing against it.

[MaZaKo]

Yeah ... about the Christein name In the past I believe that for Christein but now I know it doesn't b'cuz some friends in HK. have the names but they aren't .So it's possible Jay maybe isn't Christien But What religion is jay?

Even so I still believe Jay is Christien utill I'll know the real religion of him
But I think he's Christien ar ... :?

[Pugwash]

Well, yes I agree with all of you...
wearing a cross doesn't mean you are christian,
one of my friends is saitanic, and she wears a cross in school, because thats the only piece of jewery you can wear (im my school you can only wear jewelry that shows your religion, ie buddhist, christian, ala etc)

On the other hand, if you were totally again christianity, you wouldn't wear a cross At ALL!

SO in conclusion, Jay may be christian....and if not...
he has nothing against it.

But then why would you wear a cross if you're not Christian? I mean I'm not Christian, why would I wear a cross if I don't even have parents that are Christian or I'm not even going to find out a thing about it?

Jay doesn't have time to be a religious person... I think if he's Christian, it's simply because his mom is.

[denvy]

my lecturer said that people of taiwan don't like to be asked their religion because it's a privacy. I agree with it. religion is a privacy and I think it's useless debating something that we will never know until he tell the truth.

[Pey-ru]

I have no idea, I guess it's for him to know and us to find out * I think that's the quote* besides I don't realli care if jay is christian .... all I care about is his music and his cool songs, so worri a little and listen more..ok^.~
But everyone's opinion is different..^^

[Kyoko]

I know Jay is not a Christian... And wearing a cross definitely doesn't make him a Christian, and I watched the MV of Making "Yi Fu Zhi Ming" MV, Jay was learning the hand signs of praying, so he deinitely isn't a Christian~

But I'm not sure what religion he really is... :S

- Kyoko

[Merriana]

why is everybody guessing jay is christian?? :laughing:
why not somethin like Budha or Catholic??
anyway i don't think religion is an important thing...
as long as you believe in God and not harm every being in this world....
whatever your religion are, they're good... :angel:

[abra16]

i think jay is not a christian, if he is then he is not a devoted one, because i mean real devoted christians don't handle with joss sticks. all my devoted christian friends dun, and my anutie dun even take the joss stick during her mother's funeral. is it just stuborn or what i dun know but i think really devoted christian just dun believe in handling joss sticks.
and i think wearing a cross is just like an accessory, many ppl wear them these days but they are not christians. besides jay's mum is a christian so that might be some influence in him that he thinks he should be one?

and i agree with angels on clouds that jay is a pure and devoted diao-ist! haha

[tc9.jay]

i am a christian and i supposed i hope that jay is a christian too... but even if he isn't, well... i will still and always support him bcos of his music... =)

anyway, i doubt that jay is a christian though his mum is and he s' always wearing cross accessories...
i think that if he is a christian, he will let the rest of the world know, like tao zhe... so thus, i conclude that he isn't...
but u may never know... maybe not now but in the future...
=P i hope so!

[feixuan]

i heard that jay is christian.....i dont dont know may be he always wears cross accessories...and the last time jay came thailand everyones said that.....may be we should ask jay...its sure!...haha :excited:
well my opinion is jay is christian or buddha or any religion in this world...its not importance.......its from our hearts can believe in jay..... :wink2:

[jayie]

i think jay is not a christian, if he is then he is not a devoted one, because i mean real devoted christians don't handle with joss sticks.

Ya..u're right...as a christian ,i don't think it's decent to hold and pray with joss sticks....though i really do hope he's a christian but it seems that he's not really devoted to Christ... :wacko: Besides,wearing crosses don't proves that u're spitually attached with god.......
but,maybe he's half way there...or he's still considering Christianity....

[une_topaze]

i think jay is not a christian, if he is then he is not a devoted one, because i mean real devoted christians don't handle with joss sticks.

Ya..u're right...as a christian ,i don't think it's decent to hold and pray with joss sticks....
you're saying a chinese can't pray with joss stick if he/she is a christian? since when it suddenly become 'indecent' for a christian to use the joss stick? there a fine line between religious and tradition practices.if that's what every christian chinese think, might as well don't celebrate CNY because it's a chinese tradition. christian chinese can just celebrate christmas since it's a religious event. renouncing your tradition is like renouncing your origin. you can change you religion a hundred times, but you can't change who you really are.

does it matter what religion jay is? bcoz to me, it doesn't make any difference at all, unless his musical creation goes downhill. he can be a christian singer singing 'Alleluia' all the time and still capture my attention if he do it right. most of us agree that his religion doesn't matter, so what are we hoping to gain from knowing his true faith anyway? :dry:

[Jaded butterfly]

i am intrigued to kno if jay is a christian or not .. but who cares if he isnt? to me i think he is one of greatest creation God made!!!

i am a Catholic and i use joss sticks ... just becasue you are catholic doesnt mean that when you go to other ppl's funeral you dont use joss stick (i kno some devoted ppl wouldnt) anyway what i am trying to say is .. as longest Jay doesnt decide to go and be a Priest and continues to be his lovely self then i am happy! :excited:

[JAY_LUVER]

what an interesting topic and i never thought about what religion Jay might be... :hmm:
I think Jay is Christian, since his mom is one and he wears the cross accessiores....but, yea it doesnt mean Jay is a christian, cause nowadays eeryone wears crosses. :happy: But doesnt it seem like it though? Well, whatever religion jay is.. I don't really care. Just as long as he's talented and makes great music! :happy:

[white chick]

jay's music should'nt be regarded as bad secular music, the lyrics are not harmful, and neither is he. or at least he shouldn't be...

I have a very Christian friend that explained the concept of secular music to me. She said said secular music is any music that is not religion/worpship music. I said "Well I listen to love songs, what's wrong with that.. there are no curse words and it doesn't have nasty language in it" and she said that doesn't matter. The fact is you are listening to music that talks about love not for God, but for another person. It's like you are putting another person before God in a sense.

I don't really agree with this view, but I'm sure devout Christians would say the same thing.

[jmin13]

I think he is a christian. Cause you can see him wearing those cross across his neck at times...Bet that he is now going to watch the movie- the passion of christ..

[sakikora]

Jesus lamp for his mom? they can be catholics! christians dont use Jesus symbols, do they??


yeah... i go to an Anglican school..~but im not a christian~ :laughing: ..and i was taught that christans use Jesus as a symbol...but Jews don't...confusing eh? :oops: ....

[weemalyn]

If i am not wrong, Jay should be a Christian. Since his mum is a devout Christian, maybe under her influence, he's a Christian also

[Jay luver]

no he's NOT a Christian. His mom is, & before he releases a new album, his mom takes him to a pastor & prays for him. He goes but does not believe. And if he was a Christian, how come he would sing a song like Yi Fu Zhi Ming(Father's name)? That's a Catholic song. So yeah. That's wat i heard

[miki-chan]

It's so weird the way all you people are talking about Catholics like they're not Christians. Lemme get this straight: Christians are followers of Christ, so Catholics are a kind of Christian. The "Christians" that you guys are usually talking about are "Protestants" or Christians that are not Catholics. I am Catholics myself, and i kinda get annoyied when people say stuff like, "oh, he's not christian, he's catholics" like Catholics aren't Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ.

[stardurst]

It's not the people don't regard Catholics as Christians, they are, to a certain extent, yet, they are are not because they differ so greatly theologically from the other Christian denominations. And there is historical backing as to why Christians don't consider Catholics to be faithful to God's word, if you can put it that way -which is the Reformation, when Martin Luther nailed the 95 theses at Wittenberg. He rebelled against the increasing corruption of the catholic church and therefore the new protestant church that was set up was therefore supposed to be different.

Except that now, despite all the good intentions, corruption inevitably sets in, and whether it is the protestant church or catholic church, many have deviated from the Word of God. Therefore, perhaps, this makes the distinction between Catholicism and Christianity (usually referred in place of Protestanism) blurrer, as I think in recent years, the Catholic church, with all their child molestation scandals, have taken a more active step to reform and weed out corruption.

Okay, back to Jay. Well, I'm not at all sure how to classify him. So his mum may be a devout Christian, it doesn't automatically make him one, nor does wearing a crucifix mean anything (cld merely be fashion statement, or an imitation of the hip hop artists he so loves)

Well, whether or not Jay is Christian now is beside the point. Though I always believe that God would not let such beauty be produced without putting his stamp on it. There is always a reason for everything and perhaps the process of music creation is God's way of telling Jay that "hey, I'm around and I want you to realise that I'm the one giving you the talent..."

Oh well. Just my 2 cents, based on some fervent belief that everything beautiful always has something to do with God, and how I always want to relate all my loves to God...haha.be it Jay, or Star Wars, or Yeats, or Michelangelo, etc...hahaha...


-stardurst

[miki-chan]

Nicely said! I'm really touched! I agree completely!
Let's all hope that God will continue to inspired him to make great music, whether he's christian or not.

[stinki_tofu]

I heard that Liu Geng Hong was spreading the Gospel to him...so I think he's not a Christian yet....but sure hope he will soon!!!^^

[wreckenwitches]

if i am not wrong he should be a buddist (erm is this the correct spelling??) but i certainly hope he is a christian and yup as ppl know christians they are like more... erm.. how do i say it arh... nvm anyway i am a christian i'm trying to say the other religions are bad but just trying to imply that its good to worship the lord... haha anyway out of point lah... back to jay it doesn't matter if he is a buddist or christian and who cares!!! nvm. he is still the same old diao guy hahaha

[jes!]

It's so weird the way all you people are talking about Catholics like they're not Christians. Lemme get this straight: Christians are followers of Christ, so Catholics are a kind of Christian. The "Christians" that you guys are usually talking about are "Protestants" or Christians that are not Catholics. I am Catholics myself, and i kinda get annoyied when people say stuff like, "oh, he's not christian, he's catholics" like Catholics aren't Christians, or followers of Jesus Christ.

ye, i agree with miki-chan i don't see the reason why people use the word christian for protestants only....Catholics are also Christians coz they have the same GOd.
i think jay is a catholic and a buddhist at the same time... Catholic for religion and then buddhist for tradition...i think that's ok cuz i also happen to be like that

[lvso]

Cool, Jay's Christian! Does anyone know what sect? I'm just curious, I'm Anglican by birth. I have a feeling that Jay isn't Catholic but I could be wrong. :? That's so cool, all the more reasons that I should marry him, he's rumored to be into Western girls, he's Christian and *hot and Taiwanese* oh man. How could it get any better than that?

[xiaoting]

alright. i read the first, second, and last pages. but i don't think he's christian. i saw a picture with him holding incense sticks...and there were other people behind him holding a few as well. he's buddhist? don't really know...

[chingyan]

If you're chinese you should Bai Thi Kong, right? It's beyond religion.

NONONO... I'm a Chinese, but i don't do so.... i'm a christian as well.. and i thk if Jay's a christian, he shouldn't "bai thi Kong".. and he should never worship other things other then GOD... right?

[gwypx]

yeah..actually, im not really sure.. but at my point of view, i don't think jay is christian.

[nycgirls]

Ahhh ya, I think people should stop guessing he is a buddist now JUST BECAUSE he was holding incense stick and doing things in front of a roasted pig and some fruits and food items... it's a superstitious thing that they ALL DO before the opening ceremony of something. (can be a tv shoot, movie shoot, mv shoot, album release, yaddy yadda) It's more related to the hidden trait of Daoism inside Chinese (or if you so wanna differentiate them matter-of-factly, Hong Kong-nese, Taiwanese, whatever... bleh) population. Most of them reject thinking that they think like a Daoist, thinking the idea of it is corny... but they are being one by doing all these... unnecessary but psychologically comfortable thing before commencing anything. Rubbish, I think. (acting like Hagrid now)

So conclusion: Jay is not a REAL (Starting from the most basic requirements for buddists) reading Buddist books, have a special collection of buddist chanting CD or tapes, vegan or vegetarian, going to temple always for all special Buddist days, frequent contact with Monks, talking about life, thinking about being a monk, hard-core, etc. etc. etc., Buddist. Period. :wink2:

[lilhkmui]

he seemed pretty christian to me.. the first act of his Incomparable Concert has a huge cross on stage and there a little mini crosses on the stage itself.. i think he is christian....... ?

[kasic_fantasy]

er from what i know his mum is a christian....but for him..maybe free thinker...

[chenyi_tw]

In my opinion, Jay can't be Christian, because he makes a lot of things that we, Christians, can't do. Like burning incense, once I've made this and I felt bad... he sang the song "Yi Fu Zhi Ming", the guy pray's "Ave Maria", we don't pray things like this, we pray things that come from the heart. And if Jay is a Christian guy, that's ok if he doesn't go to Church, because of work, but its important to go to the Chruch to praise the Lord... But hope that one day Jay can be Christian and get the salvation... that's ReEaLlY important. And yes, he can't be a Christian because hi's mom is. You are a Christian when you accept Jesus like your Savior.

Oh, and Catholic chruch have a lot of saints, but at the Bible says that the only Saint is Jesus, our God. At Catholic church, they have the Cross with Jesus, but in Cristian, just have the Cross, because Jesus was raised from the dead, and no other religion says their god has ressurrected.

And Christian its not a religion... =) Christian means "Little Christ", because we are followers from Jesus. We can talk directly with God, at Catholicism, they have to ask to the saints and the saints says what you whant to God. They "clean" their sin by praying don't know how may Ave Marias, bla bla... but Christian you just say to God what you've made of wrong and you got to be sorry, and He clean your sin. Ok, that's it...

[Aoko]

I don't really think he has a religion. I don't think we've seen him wearing a cross in any music video or pictures, and even if he does, I don't think he's really that religious then. As chenyi_tw said, he doesn't go to church, and burning incense doesn't mean anything.

[ShuiMei]

So conclusion: Jay is not a REAL (Starting from the most basic requirements for buddists) reading Buddist books, have a special collection of buddist chanting CD or tapes, vegan or vegetarian, going to temple always for all special Buddist days, frequent contact with Monks, talking about life, thinking about being a monk, hard-core, etc. etc. etc., Buddist. Period. :wink2:

Just because Jay doesn't contemplate about being a monk doesn't mean he can't be Buddhist. There are different branches and extremes of Buddhism, just as there are with Christianity, or any relgiion. I'm Buddhist, but I don't rid myself of material things and have never thought about becoming a monk, so I guess I can't really be Buddhist, right? :rolleyes:

[rainbowballoon]

he seemed pretty christian to me.. the first act of his Incomparable Concert has a huge cross on stage and there a little mini crosses on the stage itself.. i think he is christian....... ?

I thought that's to sort of bring out the atmosphere in his opening song, 'In Father's Name (Yi fu zhi ming)'.

[xiao_dk]

I am pretty sure he's a Christian/Catholic....I've no idea how to explain this...just my intuition and guessing..haha...and I don't really like to comment on things about religion...but...anyway...here's what I've saw... :

I saw Jay and the whole production crew at the back-door of the Singapore Indoor Stadium during the praying session.....everyone were holding thier incense high above their heads...bowing in 4 directions in a clock-wise manner.....Jay only held the incense sticks slightly above his waist level and turned clockwise looking down.....following the turning with others....

There will always be a brief and short praying session before concerts...or at least....concerts from Taiwan.....It's just like a normal procedure to hope for a successful performance....it's a custom and habit....you can call it a superstition....a form of boosting thier moral and motivation....or just a form of increasing thier sense belonging and unity as a whole team....

okay...I've said what I've wanted to say....the rest is up for you to imagine and guess...:angel:

To me...it doesn't matter what religion he is...as long as he doesn't talk about his religion 24/7 trying to influence his fans with his religion...or includes his religion into his music(I don't consider Yi Fu Zhi Ming as one..).... I'll be fine with it.... :happy:

[L'iL PiNkIe]

Well...i guess he's a christian cos he's always wear the cross necklaces and acessories...kindda feelin tt he's a chris....

[seahyv]

Geng Hong is christian, he told me, i dont' know about Jay... But Geng Hong wears a crucifix and he got an airbrush tattoo of the cross on his arm in Universal Studios...
i dun think a christian will get himself a tattoo as we are all a holy temple of God. And we are expressly forbidden to do anything to hurt our bodies.

Please correct if I am wrong

[fourteen]

i thought christians aren't suppose to hold incense sticks and things related to buddhism? hmmm.. so in my point of view, i don't think he is a christian(he doesn't look like one too) neither a buddhist. hahaha.. this is only what i think though. i wonder why nobody can confirm this.. :hmm:

[rainbowballoon]

Yeah my friend thinks he might be a christian too cos he always wear those crosses sorta accessories.. necklaces and stuff?? But could they be for 'decoration' or lookin' good only? Are non-christians allowed to wear them? :huh:

hmmm.. so in my point of view, i don't think he is a christian(he doesn't look like one too) neither a buddhist. hahaha.. this is only what i think though. i wonder why nobody can confirm this..

I think it's because jay didn't go public with his religion (if any) before? Maybe he's a free-thinker for all we know. :bleh:

[charmian]

I always thought he's a free thinker.

His dear mummy is a christian. :wink2: But i've never heard of anything about jay being christian too.

Gah, anybody could ask him that? :bleh:

[ShuiMei]

I was reading the translations for chapter four of Grandeur de D Major and when talking about relationships and pursuing people who you are interested in, Jay said

" I always say to my friends, when you meet someone whom you want to go for, if you let this chance slip away, you may not even meet again in your next life. When they heard what I said, they would take out their courage and go strike up conversation with the person. But one can well imagine the result, some successful and some fail. "

I guess this means Jay believes in reincarnation, so maybe he is Buddhist?

[neena]

Hmm... to be honest, i believe he's an atheist, he wears the cross and uses those incense sticks...that to me comes to the only conclusion that he doesn't have a faith. i don't think he pays much attention to religion anyway. he's jus showing respect b/c everyone believes in something different. that's wat i think of him when it comes to religion. :-) that's cool though.

[chenyi_tw]

seahyv said that we, Christians, can't make tatoos and stuffs, that's right, but a lot of Christians make all thoose to show their love for the God.

fourteen said that Christians aren't supposed to hold incenses. That's right too, because this is from Buddism... and God said that we must make stuffs that makes He proud... I'm a Christian and my friend says that I don't look one too, because I joke too much with them, hehe... Jut God and Jay knows if he is Christiano or not.. =)

rainbowbaloon, sure non-Christians can use neckles and stuffs with cross, I mean... even the gothic ppl uses it...

" I always say to my friends, when you meet someone whom you want to go for, if you let this chance slip away, you may not even meet again in your next life. When they heard what I said, they would take out their courage and go strike up conversation with the person. But one can well imagine the result, some successful and some fail. "

I guess this means Jay believes in reincarnation, so maybe he is Buddhist?

"you may not even meet again in your next life" could be a new life in Heaven too... not just Buddism have this "next life", but at Christianism, we just get it once^^

[jO11]

hmm..i think he's a free thinker or buddhist. but actually it doesn't really matter to me. haha! but i think he can't be a christian. from my impressions of stars who are christians, if they take awards they most most most most probably will thank god of jesus, but jay has never done that! or maybe i didn't see it! =) think his religion doesn't matter to all his fans too!

[j@y_roCks]

Even if he does not pay attention to religion, I still hope that he believes in Christ. (I'm a Christian.) He wears a necklace with cross... and he prayed to God in Yi Fu Zhi Ming's music video!! Although I don't understand what he's praying about, but I know he's praying to God as he said "A-men"!! If he's not a Christian... I don't think he will want to do all these for his music video... Don't tell me that he's doing all these jus to be cool (耍帅/帥)?!!?!!

[twink0star]

does it really matter ??? and even if he wears a cross doesnt really mean hez christian ..... u can get a cross anywhere and not be christian lol :: just a thought ::

[chenyi_tw]

but at "Yi Fu Zhi Ming" he prays "Ave Maria", that's a catholic pray... if Liu Geng Hong wrote it, and he is a Christian, why does he put a catholic pray in it? O_o"

[j@y_roCks]

Anyway, what does "Ave Maria" means?? Maybe it's just the name of addressing Jesus's mother, maybe it just means MARIA...?

[chenyi_tw]

j@y_roCks, Ave Maria means that Maria is a saint person, but in the bible says that the only Saint is God, Jesus. Catholics got a lot of saints...

[charmian]

You know, Yi Fu Zhi Ming means in the Name of Father. Its not a song written by Jay but by Huang Jun Lang.

Naturally, if this songs is connected with a specific religon then the director of the MV would have added something related right? :?

and i guess Italy, which is the place whereby jay done his MV is a place whereby most people is a catholic right? Besides, he's speaking Itanlian, does he even knows whats he's talking about? :glug:

[kasic_fantasy]

charmian i'm sure he knows it voz theres the translation below...

hey he may sing a monk song or whatever religion song but that doesnt determine his religion. his mom is a christian and i believe his more or less a free thinker. though everytime when when he holds concert or whatever he will pray and offer offerings before start working, but then its a traditional for the taiwanese. no matter what religion they are in, they all believe in a goddess called 'ma zhu'.

a taiwanese friend told me that. hope what she said is correct.

[wkhwa]

well in my opinion as long as he believes that there is something watching over him above the skies, it does not matter which religion he belongs to... We need to have faith in the one that we worship...

[chenyi_tw]

No other is God in Christianism. We are monotheist, worship just one God... ^^

[junnleenfaah]

well i wanna say that jay is christian/catholic just to make myself feel better [cuz i'm christian] but then as some of you guys are saying, a lot of people wear a cross just to wear it, and it doesnt neccesarily mean thats his religion. but then on the other hand, he did do that prayer at the beginning of yi fu zhi ming and i dont think he would do it unless he had a reason or meaning to do it. i mean cuz we know how jay is, he's pretty emotional in his music, so theres a very good chance that this could be another one of his heart-felt songs! i personally think jay is catholic not only cuz of the cross necklace and the music video, but he just seems like he's catholic. i dunno why exactly catholic, but yeah.. thats what i think (:

agreed. this question is mind-boggling :P

[nonubi]

but i saw him did that buddhist's prayer before his concert...
but if he is catholic... i'll be very happy hehehe~
(sorry my english is soo bad)

[hamtaro]

I hope he's a free-thinker. It's better this way, no religion and he'll only believe in himself. Please tell us, Jay.....

[jaxe]

but at "Yi Fu Zhi Ming" he prays "Ave Maria", that's a catholic pray... if Liu Geng Hong wrote it, and he is a Christian, why does he put a catholic pray in it? O_o"

i don't think liu geng hong wrote it though. it doesn't say so in the book. and i think the prayer's just for the mv (becoz he's a killer and he is praying for forgiveness). don't think it's becoz of jay's religion.
i'm not sure what religion jay is, but i think he's a free thinking. but most probably non-christian/catholic. becoz if he is, his msgs to fans would probably have stuff like 'God Bless'. and he probably thank God and stuff when he receives awards. so, i think he's a free thinking.
as for the praying to the heavens before concerts, it's most likely more of a tradition thing than a religious thing. i always pray with my mum and aunty when they go to temples, burn incense and stuff also, but i'm neither taoist or buddhist.

[Trinity33]

Well, he imitates Catholicism in the video yi fu zhi ming nad by wearing crucifixes, but I don't think he's really Christian. In the video he even does the Sign of the Cross wrong (toward the end) and crucifixes are often worn only as accessories. His mom may be devout, but thst doesn't make Jay like that. Christianity is such a fad in Asia anyway (among teenageers)...
but who knows..maybe he is Christian.

Anyway, what does "Ave Maria" means?? Maybe it's just the name of addressing Jesus's mother, maybe it just means MARIA...?


I knew this would come up. Ave Maria is a Catholic prayer, (English: Hail Mary) but the video uses only a few line s from the Hail Mary, the nends with a line for mthe "Our Father". This leads me to the conclusion that Jay is not Catholic..not Christian..because he would know the difference.
The Hail Mary is:
Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee.
Blessed are you among women,
and blessed is hte fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners
now and at the hour of our death, Amen.

In yi fu zhi ming, Jay only says the first line then says: "Hallowed be Thy name"...the second line of the Our Father.

i dun think a christian will get himself a tattoo as we are all a holy temple of God. And we are expressly forbidden to do anything to hurt our bodies.

Please correct if I am wrong
Some obsessed sola scriptura Christians may believe that,,and our bodies are all God's temples, but even temples need decorations!
besides it's aircrush tatto...that's not going to hurt

In my opinion, Jay can't be Christian, because he makes a lot of things that we, Christians, can't do. Like burning incense, once I've made this and I felt bad... he sang the song "Yi Fu Zhi Ming", the guy pray's "Ave Maria", we don't pray things like this, we pray things that come from the heart. And if Jay is a Christian guy, that's ok if he doesn't go to Church, because of work, but its important to go to the Chruch to praise the Lord... But hope that one day Jay can be Christian and get the salvation... that's ReEaLlY important. And yes, he can't be a Christian because hi's mom is. You are a Christian when you accept Jesus like your Savior.

Oh, and Catholic chruch have a lot of saints, but at the Bible says that the only Saint is Jesus, our God. At Catholic church, they have the Cross with Jesus, but in Cristian, just have the Cross, because Jesus was raised from the dead, and no other religion says their god has ressurrected.

And Christian its not a religion... =) Christian means "Little Christ", because we are followers from Jesus. We can talk directly with God, at Catholicism, they have to ask to the saints and the saints says what you whant to God. They "clean" their sin by praying don't know how may Ave Marias, bla bla... but Christian you just say to God what you've made of wrong and you got to be sorry, and He clean your sin. Ok, that's it...

Your views of Catholicism are quite off track. The Hail Mary is as much a prayer from the heart as The Lord's Prayer. Do you not recite that? And Catholics can pray however they want..it doesn't have to be formal or in Latin. We don't have to pray to the saints to talk to God. I talk to God every night. We pray to the saints to ask them to pray for us. THey are good moral people who, in their time on Earth, led lives reflective of Jesus's. We believe that a person doesn't die but is born into everlasting life in heaven, and the dead are not unreachable. Even though they have gone from this plane to the next, we can still reach our departed friends and relatives through prayer. The same with Mary. She is the Mother Of God, and has a very close relationship with the Son. We ask her to "pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our deaths". Do you not ask others to pray for you? "My family is going through a hard time; please pray for us." THis is all we Catholics do.

And Christianity is a religion. :rolleyes:

[cutenuren]

I think he's a Christian. I see him wearing a cross a lot, and the fact that he brought his mom a cross, pretty much says that he's not wearing it for style.

[Trinity33]

no he's NOT a Christian. His mom is, & before he releases a new album, his mom takes him to a pastor & prays for him. He goes but does not believe. And if he was a Christian, how come he would sing a song like Yi Fu Zhi Ming(Father's name)? That's a Catholic song. So yeah. That's wat i heard


Oh and to clear this up:
To believe in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, Son of the Lord Most High, and Redeemer of the Sins of the World you are Christian. Catholics believe all of this, so Catholics are Christian. Catholicism is a type of Christianity, like Methodism, or Presbyterianism.

Suo3 you3 de tian1zhu3jiao4tu2 shi4 ji1du4jiao4tu2!!!!!!!

[wink 11]

Hi everyone, i'm new so just wanted to say hi
anyway, I personally don't think that Jay is Christian and is instead just wearing the cross as a style more than anything else. I'm not sure about his religion though and I may be wrong...

[neena]

his mom maybe a devoted christian, he may wear a cross aroud his neck, sing prayers, but we all can't jus base it on that and assume he's a christian....why don't some1 jus request to ask that question, it would be easier...

[tamababy]

when i went to taiwan for the first time, my aunt brought me to my grandpa's grave. all i knew was my grandpa was a magistrate before he passed away. my aunt asked me to "ke tou", but i shook my head and told her "instead i'll pray".

i agree that jay might have grown in a christian environment, but it doesn't mean that he is or wants to be a christian. i also think that the cross has become more of a piece of jewelery. when someone bears the star of david, most likely that person is jewish. but a lot of people today wear the cross as a fashion icon, instead of the symbol it truly is. i think the cross signifies sacrifice and that you truly believe that Jesus Christ died so that others might live.

while i was watching jay's making of the music video "in the name of the father", when he spoke those words in italian...i was really touched. even if the song was about the mafia, even if he learned it for a musical effect, i was touched. maybe it's because i'm happy when anyone wants to learn even a little about God.

whether jay is christian or not, we can all agree that he has been blessed with talent. go jay.

[x_La_paix_De_Lame_x]

This is a large part of the Catholic theory:

We believe in one god
the father the almighty
maker of heaven and earth
of all that is seen and unseen

We believe in one lord, Jesus christ
the only son of god
eternally begotten of the father
God for god, light from light
true god from true god

Begotten, not made, on in being,
With the father
Through him all things where made
for us men and for our salvation
He came down from heaven

By the power of the Holy spirit
He was born of the virgin mary
and became man

For our sake he was crucified under
pontius pilate;
he suffered, died, was buried
on the third day he rose again
in fullfillment to the scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the father.
He will come again in glory to judge the
living and the dead
And his kingdom will have no end

We believe in the holy spirit
the lord the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the son
he is worshiped and gloried
He has spoken through the prophets.
we believe in one holy catholic and apostalic church.
We achknoledge one baptism for
the forgiveness of sins
We look for the resurrection of the dead.,
and the life of the world to come.

Amen (*I believe)



Like the Jewish faith we have lots of rules and restrictions. But we do not take them so seriously so. Your not suppose to eat meat on Friday but many do. The belief i, God is always willing to forgive your sins. He will welcome you back with open arms. The average Catholic won't parade around with crosses, rather wear a simple gold one beneath a shirt. (Just thought, maybe some people would like to understand more of the religion.)

Basically I think Jay might not be a christian, doubt he's a catholic. More or less a simple christian. And the crosses he wear basically are just fad to him. like many have said before. :wave:

[let.me.live]

Hmmm, this discussion is quite interesting.
As I believe has been mentioned several times, Catholics are still Christians. They believe Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins... just like any other denomination of the Christian faith believes. Catholisism (sp?) is just a sect of Christianity.
Personally, from the song, "In the Name of the Father", I think Jay is Christian. Even if he did not write the song, the fact is, he still chose to perform it and put it on his cd. Secondly, the song begins with a prayer. Thirdly, there's the part in there that says, "Kyrie elasion" which means, "Lord have mercy". The whole part where the woman comes in and sings is a prayer of forgiveness to God.
Honestly, I am a Christian, my mother is actually a minister of the Christian faith, and when I first heard that song, I was throughly impressed to find such a holy, and spiritually fufilling song on a secular cd.
Only Jay Chou can be so cool.

[azn_noodles]

maybe he's like me....i'm budist, daoist, and confusionist, but i celebrate christmas :glug: like he could be one of those religions, but celebrate christian holidays too....ooooooor he could just be christian^^ ive heard he's christian, but its not a positive

[ninia]

I think that Jay is Christian too.Although I'm Muslim and I'm not in the same religion but I still love him and I really2 love his song.His song is soooo adorable.These is my Jay..........

[milkified]

this is ridiculous! (i mean the magazine)
there's this magzine that says that jay's mother is a devoted buddhist....

the story goes like this....
it says that jay wants to donate 1/3 of the money that he earned last year...
he lets his mom take care of the money....
so the magazine said ye hui mei may donate the sum of money to a few temples in taiwan since she's a devoted buddhist....

but i thought she's a devoted christian?!
does this mean the magazine is giving false informations?
we should sue the magazine then!

i can post the article if you guys want to read the whole story....

and bout the cross thingy...
that certainly doesnt make someone a christian right?
i mean, i like crosses a lot... coz i think they r simple n cool....
i have them in all types...earrings, necklaces, bracelets, rings....
almost all of my accesories....
and i do go to churches sometimes... do join their activities.... for fun....
my friends invite me to... they said they dont mind i'm a buddhist at all....
but i'm a devoted buddhist myself.....

and the incense thingy.... isnt it depends on your ownself?
it's just like superstitions and feng shui....
some people believe it and practise it, some people don't....
some poeple think it isnt appropiatee to do that, some people dont mind doing that...

hope that i didnt offend anyone.... it's just my thinking....
plus i know nothing about christianity.... i just see things in general....

[mysadworld]

christian is actually the name for both catholics and protestants,anglican etc...

but people have often referred to protestants, anglican etc as christians...and catholics not..

[jano]

but the cross is really a sacred object, and because jay chou is such a big star, and if he isnt a christian, my pov is that he shouldnt wear it. the significance of that symbol is really important to ppl, and by trivialising such a scared symbol is not such a good thing to do i guess. i mean, i guess its not alright, but its less harmful if normal ppl wear it, but he's always in the lime light, unless if he commits himself to a form of christianity, i dont think he should wear stuff like that, its showing a big of disrespect for christianity. i dunno, welcome to dispute this, but just my scope of this. also, i'm nto sure, but i think chrisitianity wants its believers to devote themselves to god or virgin mary, or...whoever only, so him burning incense is quite contradictory.....:) meh, but gosh..its jay chou, it can be also forgiven!!!!

[Gary-Kun]

Jay couldnt be diao ist lol he said it himself. I agree with milkified, IF he wears a cross inWilliams Castle it doesnt mean hes christian. Williams Castle is english history so its just a prop i guess. All you diao ist out there, diao is a philosophy.

"It's my personal philosophy," he explains, "but it has nothing to do with religion. It means that whatever you do, you don't try to follow others. Go your own way, you know?"

He sits back, shakes his hair out of his eyes and nods. This is serious. This is deep. This is the metaphysical mechanism that he feels explains his pop stardom, as opposed to his musical talent. "It's like, the ability to shock. The way I think of shocking people is to do things that people don't expect in my music, in my performances. Like during my first Taipei show last year, I was performing Long Quan (Dragon Fist) [Chou's favorite tune from his Eight Dimensions CD] and I took off on a harness and flew out over the audience. That was diao."

"Diao is an internal process, a mystical path that makes extreme demands and forces stringent measures. It requires, mysteriously, that Chou forgo wearing underwear, a lifestyle choice that is endlessly vexing to his mother. "He used to wear underwear as a child," she sighs. "Maybe it is something he started since working with Jacky Wu." Chou himself will not elaborate. The diao that can be spoken of, apparently, is not the eternal diao.

[Jay_foreverfans]

I think Jay is christian bcuz his imcomparable is all also christian1...

[masterxkae]

I thought he was catholic. LOL cuhs like in the one mv.. he was like doing what catholics were doing?! Like the way they prayed or something.. anyway, if his mom is a devoted christian, I would guess he is too. As a christian myself, I know christians always want their family members to be christian... that's awesome, JAY'S A CHRISTIAN!

[junnleenfaah]

that's awesome, JAY'S A CHRISTIAN!

dont say that cuz we dont know if thats confirmed or not, so you might get people confused :oops: and i'm christian too, only one out of the two in my entire family, and i want my family to become christian but none of them are. so the case could be the same for jay

well like, just cuz jay uses the cross around his neck or used the church and praying and stuff like that in his MV doesnt mean he's christian. he's just acting a part. it's just like when any other actor will pray in a movie.. now that doesnt mean they're christian, does it? not really. so yes, it would be awesome if jay is christian, but it's never been confirmed so we can only assume and have opinion about things.

[xicemage]

whatever.. i think that jay is a free-thinker... i think that he wears those crosses accessories just for fashion purposes, not religion... haha... that's what i think la.. haha.. ya!

[Starylosophy]

Well i guess, wearing accessories such as cross necklaces doesn't mean that he is a christian... i have frens who wear it becoz they find that they are nice and cool and they are not christians... Perhaps Jay wears them for the theme of the mv or for fashion purposes... I guess knowing his religion is not very impt as long as we continue to support him in his music/movies :wink2:

[zhoudaoyan]

Some mvs and performances, judging by the surroundings or fashion style... make me think that Jay is like. christian... but in others.. some kind of go against christian teaching. so yeah. i think that he's a free thinker lah.

[masterewok]

in the beginning of one of his mv's, isn't there a prayer, I'm not sure if this makes him christian, but as long as you will be supportive to his music it shouldn't matter what religion he is

[junnleenfaah]

masterewok, i believe you're talking about yi fu zhi ming MV, yeah there's a prayer. but we dont know whether or not it was just for the MV or he really wanted to show his religion. i think it was just part of the MV since the whole MV was like a italian mafia thing..

[Neol]

I think he is more consevative guy so may be Buddhist.
But no matter what his rligion is?.I'm supporting Jay forever.:wink2:

[JaYzAnGel4eva]

hum... once i heard he like was doing stuff related to the White Dragon or sumtin.. lol chinese thingy i guess.. :angel:

[junnleenfaah]

what's White Dragon? is it like a specific religion or just like some chinese practice thing?

[qiqi]

i think...jay chou is a christian too...dun no leh
but wat jay chou religion is,i still lv him!!!!!!!

[jiangxue]

I believe Jay is a christian, cos his mother is a devoted christian, & as a filial son, mostly he will follow his mum too, & I do notice that he wear a cross b4..

[sam_ho]

When people wear a christian crucifix necklace, that doesn't really mean that they are christian....0.o

[Zhaohe]

I was sorta wondering that before.. but he's Christian or what? >.<

Sam ho: Well I wouldn't be caught dead wearing one.. = ='

[killer_race]

yeah hes christian...im 90% sure of that. =D alot of people think hes christian...im not sure but Im pretty sure hes christian.

[navlem]

i think he is a christian too, after seeing him standing on the cross in the concert...

[josh_yth]

i think jay is actually catholic and not chrsitian,coz most ppl in China and TW believe in catholic rather than christian. also, the cross at his concert doesn't really mean anything,and it's probably that the cross fit the theme of the song In the name of father.

[Zhaohe]

True true josh, but I still think he is.. or Catholic then.. lots of Catholics here in Canada.. my mom's side is.. anyways back on topic.

Since he's all about work, it would make sense that he would wear a cross as part of the set.

[junnleenfaah]

killer_race, how can you say you're 90% sure he's christian but then say you're not sure and as well dont have any justification?

navlem, just cuz he has a cross at a part of his concert doesnt mean he's christian.

josh_yth, catholicism IS christianity. they aren't two seperate religions.

[Zhaohe]

Has anyone ever asked him in an interview in the past?
Maybe someone should ask him, it'll help end all this skepticism..

[xiaoting]

Well, Zhaohe, that's a good idea. But we don't know if there are any interviews that say if he's Christian or not. Hopefully, we can find some.

But once again, just because Jay uses a crucifix in his MVs, his concerts, or for an accessory doesn't mean that he's Christian. As they say in the US, it could just be "bling." =P

[Zhaohe]

Xiaoting: very true, it was probably part of the props for the show.. are there ANY other photos of him wearing one? If he only wore one once, we can't judge.. especially if it was part of a show.

[junnleenfaah]

Xiaoting: very true, it was probably part of the props for the show.. are there ANY other photos of him wearing one? If he only wore one once, we can't judge.. especially if it was part of a show.

jay will wear cross necklaces sometimes in pictures.. but that still doesnt justify whether he's christian or not. lotta people just use it to wear but with no meaning to wearing it.

[soe0501]

i think jay is christian, bcos i see him use a croos necklace in magazine...and not only once i saw him use tat, sometimes he often use it..