If another couple stole your baby...

[scarletwillow]

Quote from Shir0 at the following forum:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90603

For any of you that have heard of the He trial, and for those of you who
haven't - The verdict today was bullshit.

Basically, this asian family (the He's) had a baby but could not afford to keep
her just then...so they gave another family (the Bakers - a very weathly white family) temporary custody in order to make ends meet. They did this is 1999 btw.

So, 2000 comes and they come back for the little girl - and by then, the Bakers
had become attached so they basically said "Fuck you, we're keeping her." and
that's the last time they saw her.

The He's quickly filed a law suit, and it's been going back and forth now for a few
years - for as long as I've been in News anyway - and today the final verdict
was passed down.

The Judge called them uncaring and incapable - that they abandoned the child and that they only wanted her back so that they could stay in America.

Now, in the 2 1/2 years I've been in the News business - I've seen a lot of really
stupid shit...but sitting in that Live truck outside the He press conference,
watching the events unfold as our reporters jammered on...this fucking tops
the proverbial cake.

I come from a weathly white household...and if my parents did that, I'd tell
them to go to fucking hell. These people are no better than thieves.

Fuck the legal system.

The full text of the judge's ruling: http://abc24.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=05023EB7-8E69-4D53-BAE3-9F15E7682964

What do you think about this?
Cuz I am pissed beyond belief.
If some couple fucking took away my baby girl, I'd *kill* them and dance on their grave. Seriously. That's just stupid.

Some things to consider: The original agreement did state it was to be TEMPORARY. The Bakers reneged on their promise.

[jayx8318x]

Well...I really can't say. There's alot of facts to this case, and there was way to much to read, I only scanned it. Reading the replies though, it seems like people are casting the He's as righteous and all by giving their daughter up temporarily to earn a living. And the Bakers are evil for what they did. But that's not the impression I got from scanning the facts of the case.
This fact really caught my eye:

On or about May 23, 1999, the Hes met with the Bakers in the Bakers’ home. Mr. He told the Bakers that the Hes had decided that the Bakers were the family that the Hes wanted to adopt AMH. However, Mr. He told the Bakers that Mrs. He wanted to retain parental rights so AMH would retain the He surname. Mr. He explained to the Bakers that Mrs. He wanted AMH to retain the He surname because Mrs. He wanted to stay in the United States and she thought that if AMH kept the He surname it would help the Hes remain in America. The Bakers told Mr. He that they were unwilling to keep AMH on that basis.


So I mean how can you not assume they wanted to use her to stay in America?
Basically they were willing to give her up for adoption, ONLY if she could keep her surname so they could stay in America. And this He guy...he was accused (though aquitted) of sexual assault, and beating his pregnant gf? Hmmm....there's more to this than "white folks stealing the Chinese baby"
The baby was in fact conceived out of wedlock, and I'm not afraid to assume it was an unwanted pregnancy (Mr. He demanding a DNA test to verify if the baby was his)

I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong, just not to jump to conclusion.

Read the section under :
C. Conclusions of Law on AMH’s Best Interests

I mean overall...which family do you think the baby will fare better with?

[scarletwillow]

I read all of that, and I did take it under consideration.

Personally, I don't take that into question.
A child isn't just something that the law should control.
It's *their* child. *They* want her back.

Of course the child will fare better under American society with the white people. I just have problems with that. Big problems with it.

If the judge decided the child should be given to the Bakers, why not just decide that all children born under ill circumstances be given off to rich people wanting to adopt?

Like I said, if that were my child, I'd have no qualms about doing some serious murder/jailtime. That is just unconceivable evil, to steal a child like that under the cover of US Law. And I would do *anything* to get MY OWN CHILD back.

[manda_hoon]

umm... it seems to me that e baker didn't steal e baby since e hes gave it to them when they couldn't afford e baby... In the 1st place if the hes were keen of keeping the baby they would never have given it to someone else... And like e article said, they gave the baby to stay in America... If u r a parent and u love ur child very much u would never "use" ur child to stay in america....

[jayx8318x]

Like I said, if that were my child, I'd have no qualms about doing some serious murder/jailtime. That is just unconceivable evil, to steal a child like that under the cover of US Law. And I would do *anything* to get MY OWN CHILD back.


Well, SW...if this case was about you, I assume you have the best interest of the child, and wanted her back in a sincere way. HOWEVER, that is not what it appears to be with the He's. If they exhibited behavior that shows they were capable parents, then I would probably be on their side. This has nothing to do with wealth and money. This is about being mature enough to care for a child.


A child isn't just something that the law should control.
It's *their* child. *They* want her back.


You make it seem like the law is out there to arbitrarily remove kids from homes. Would you not say the law has done some good? Would you want kids who have abusive parents to keep legal custody of their kids?

Just because you can lay down, have sex, and make a child does not make you capable parents.

[shouling]

reading it over i agree with Karen on many things.... many.
i think the only thing that pulls me twards Willys opinion is the fact that she is the blood child of the Hes. i agree that their fight for the child is necissary, but like Karen said... the Bakers are more suited to rais the child. they have done well thus far and are financialy
capable to care for the child till necissary age.

although i feel a child should be with their parents... as far as that child is concerned... she is with her parents. she knows them only as her parents... not the Hes.

[hisashiluv14]

Frankly, I only have a couple of things to say about this.

1. If you can't afford it, don't give birth.

2. If you have to do it, use contraceptives or take bloody responsibility.

But the best thing to do, IMO, is not to procreate at all. Taking into the sorry state of the world into consideration, the last thing a child needs is to have his innocence corrupted by the adults and by the cynicism that inadvertently comes with existing in this world.

[princesskitsune]

For meh personally i wouldn't have given my baby up beacuse i wasn't able to support it. due to the fact that there are several programs out there that helps families with low income and wat not.

but if this did happen to meh yesh i would go to court and try every legal way to get my baby back and if that doesn't work i'll have to kidnap my own child back.

facts that should be known:

- ok the Hes have like two other kids already.....

-the Bakers already have 4 birth kids ....why do they want a fifth?

- and it probably the government's fualt any way that the Hes had to put thier baby in foster care

ok so the points i made weren't very good , but there facts and like i think the last one is an opinion >_<

if it was muh kid i'll do any thing to get it back. if the Hes cant stay in the U.S. move to canda or somthing dats still good >_< ...

[scarletwillow]

Ugh... well all of you see this issue through clearer lens.

I'm arguing purely on the basis of emotion.
Sounds like China, Taiwan, and America to me.

[sundae]

if they were willing to give up their kid temporarily or whatever to make ends meet they don't deserve to raise a child, and the child is probably better off where it is now, where she'll probably have opportunities to make something of herself that she wouldn't have had with her original family.

[beyOnd aLL reasOn]

They abandoned their child? No, they didn't abandon their fucking child, they knew that for the time being they could not take care of her so released her custody to someone better equipped financially for a temporary space of time. How is that abandoning their child?

Personally, I don't take that into question.
A child isn't just something that the law should control.
It's *their* child. *They* want her back.

Which is true, but since the original legal document said that it was temporary, than the law shouldn't have ruled that way.

This is ridiculous. I don't care even if it is against the law, or so they say, its just not right. If the original legal document stated the custody to be temporary then the law should be on the He's side.

[kasic_fantasy]

hmm tricky case :hmm:

in someway i agree with the verdict as the He's did not fulfill their respondsibilities as the family of the kid. but then the attitude of the Bakers are a bit like shit...

but since the verdict is out, nothing can be change. unless...the Hes go check on how the Bakers are treating their kid. if the kid was treated badly, then maybe there will be some hope for them :angel:

but seriously if such thing happens to me, and i'm in the He's situation, i'll just go get a real good lawyer and suit whatever i can bout the Bakers...who the fcuk will like their kid to be away from them?... :dry:

and how the fcuk can i let other people take care of my kid..even though i did not take care of the kid all the way?.... :dry:

argh well just my 2 cents anyway...

edit: oh ya the temporary contract!!! :excited: new hopes for the Hes! they can always repel back!

[wrx'03]

What it comes down to is skin color. There have been so many cases where white couples have taken their child back even after they gave their baby up for adoption and signed the papers. The courts in the U.S. have sided with the biological parents... unless the biological parents are not white as in this case.