[SG Talk] should gay marriages be legaliesd in sg?

[smilepiggy]

well, i just saw this title on the economist a few weeks back, and my teacher is asking us to discuss this, so i thougt i might put up a topic here.to discuss this and see the general opinion of gay marriages

i think sg should not. cos we are still very asian in our roots , and our thinking, rather conservative.
and the point is legalising is differnet form accepting. legalising is passing a law in which everyone abides by, an its like accepting at a national level. and having it legalised could be offending to some religion,
however, its mere basic rights for a person to choose his/her own partner isn't it. i dont have a very definite point of view, but, yea, i feel that at the very least, it would not be legalised in the near future. what do you guys think huh?

[knock]

Yea, sg should not too. They gotta think bout how would everyone react to it. Maybe they should follow how Switzerland did it. [Lol! Social Studies] Do a referendum or something like that to pass a new law. Democratic society. Shouldn that be the way?

Anyway, singapore is a small country. And there is already a decreasing birth rate and aging population. With gay marriages legalised. The situation would be worse. Moreover, not only in girl's schools but also in mixed schools, more and more 'lesbians' are coming out. As what many can see, it is just a current trend. Pple mixed up crushes and lure themselves into thinking that they are les just by crushing their snrs which happen to be of the same sex. The thinking pple hafe nowadays arent that gullible as it was before.

Many other countries may think us singaporeans are pple who just accept whatever law the government passes. Like those thousands of fines and banning of chewing gum. They think we dare not raise our opinions. But actually, what's there to question the government when the reasons they gafe supported the law. It's not in the least unreasonable or what. In a sense, we trust our government. Right? However, legalising gay marriages in sg aint a small thing like banning chewing gums anymore. Who knows? Some may just protest. Pple in this new age are more daring to speak up.

Hmm, not sure this make sense, but here my 2 cents worth. :laughing:

[ho_yt]

I agree with wat both of you said, Singapore should not pass this law becos the population in Singapore is decreasing so if it pass this law, the situation will become worst as both same sex cannot give birth, thats petty sad :cry: .

But Singapore is a free country, thats means we all have the right to do anything, unless its pass by the law. :happy: I think Singapore should have a referendum or something like wat knock said. I think most of the laws they pass are for our own good like the firecracker and others so I hope the government can give a reasonable reason why they should or not to pass the law.

[vunsin]

I'm not Singaporean, so, sorry to interrupt, but I don't think same-sex marriage will make the problem of a decreasing population worse. True, same-sex couples cannot give birth to their own children, but they could adopt. And lesbian couples could use donor sperms to conceive. In my opinion, same-sex couples are more likely to adopt. Perhaps they could adopt orphans from other countries so this will actually increase Singapore's population.

Although I'm in support of the legalization of same-sex marriage, I do agree that the people have to actually accept the concept for the law to work. If there's no support for same-sex couples, legalizing same-sex marriage won't make much difference to them because what they really want is for people to accept them for who they are. Personally, I think if two people love each other and want to get married, they should have the option to do so.

[smilepiggy]

In my opinion, same-sex couples are more likely to adopt. Perhaps they could adopt orphans from other countries so this will actually increase Singapore's population.

But its like really difficult to adpot a child from antoher country... there's tons of paperwork cos of all the procedures and stuff. I have juts read in the newspaper that now, couples would not get to choose the babies they want from china, they could only give prefernce liek gender. I dont know much about other countries, but there's only like 2 adpotion agency in Singapore, i'm not sure if its onyl for China babaies, or for other countires one too.
So, i guess, most gay couples would not really want to go through all thsoe procedures? not sure.

besides, i think that singapore and its people in general are still rather conservative like in their thinking and stuff. yes, its changing but we're still very asian-ly rooted.
it may be okay for you to accept liek say, your friend who is gay, but it'll be a whole lot differnt when its a law. get what i mean? :?

[blu3crush]

why not?
homosexual have the rights.
Maybe in singapore, the population is small and the birth rate is low but i think they should be given a chance to legalise their marriage. It's fairer. Since the government can accept gays, why can't they legalise it?

[yUkLuM^]

Yeah i agree with knock... Sg is already facing the problem of low birth rate and aging population... Same-sex couples cant give birth... If everyone becums les and gays, how are they going to give birth to more children to solve these problems? I also agree that there are more and more pple being lesbians... If gays are legalized, like i said, more pple will becum 1 and even if they want to adopt children, there might not be sufficient child for them to do so...

[yajjay]

Whether or not gay marriages are legalised does not affect those couples. They do not have to get married, the marriage is just to certify that they ARE together. So what if it doesn't get legalised, they will still get together. I'm fine with legalising gay marriages. People do have a right to love and live with whoever they wants, regardless of sex.
As for the decreasing birthrates, the same sex couples might just be a small minority that causes the decrease. As long as same sex couples are not the majority, there's nothing to worry abt them adding on to the decreasing birthrate. There's still the option of adopting right?
I know of friends who are lesbians, i'm sure this is just a phrase for them. For them, its for the fun of it now. They will want a complete family later on in life. However, Sg is indeed conservative, not only sg actually, mainly the asian countries. If gay marriages do get legalised, are they sure that pple will look at them normally. Yes, they can get married, but deep down in our hrts, we will still look at them queerly, which is not fair to them.
I know i'm contradicting myself whether to legalise or not, just trying to express my views from diff perspectives. :bleh:

[princess`bobo]

not singaporean but i reckon it really doesn't matter....i mean those that feel passionate enough to want to get married, gay or straight should be given the right to....

[vunsin]

I have juts read in the newspaper that now, couples would not get to choose the babies they want from china, they could only give prefernce liek gender.
That's even "better" than making and giving birth to your own baby, isn't it? If you make your own baby you can't even choose the gender. :rolleyes:

So, i guess, most gay couples would not really want to go through all thsoe procedures? not sure.
You'd be surprised. They've already gone through so much to be together. What's a little paperwork to them?

it may be okay for you to accept liek say, your friend who is gay, but it'll be a whole lot differnt when its a law. get what i mean? :?
That is why:Although I'm in support of the legalization of same-sex marriage, I do agree that the people have to actually accept the concept for the law to work. If there's no support for same-sex couples, legalizing same-sex marriage won't make much difference to them because what they really want is for people to accept them for who they are.

Same-sex couples cant give birth
Like I've said in my earlier post, lesbians could use sperm donors. And gays could use surrogate moms. It's not impossible.

Whether or not gay marriages are legalised does not affect those couples. They do not have to get married, the marriage is just to certify that they ARE together. So what if it doesn't get legalised, they will still get together.
You've said it all. :thumbsup:

[petheads]

Whether or not gay marriages are legalised does not affect those couples. They do not have to get married, the marriage is just to certify that they ARE together. So what if it doesn't get legalised, they will still get together.
You've said it all. :thumbsup:

I actually think that legalising gay marriages will make a difference to these couples. Once the law recognises them as a legal union, I assume they will be given the same rights accorded to other wedded couples, like buying HDB flats and tax reliefs.

Child adoption laws may change if gay marriages are legalised. But right now, the Singapore law states that a male adult cannot adopt a female child unless he is her natural father. Which means that gay male couples actually can't choose the sex of their child in Singapore.

I agree, these couples are bound by their heart and not just a certificate, but I am certain recognition from the government would mean a lot to them. In many ways, the government's actions send a signal to the people. Strangely, once the government says something is right, people will learn to accept it as right too. Especially in Singapore. :)

I would think that gay couples want to get married the same reason why heterosexual couples tie the knot. That piece of paper does mean something.

[Melvin]

Well... If someone is gay.. why should you prevent them from marrying another gay? I mean.. if that is what they want.. we shouldn't stop them.. But then.. like what knock said... Legalising it would be a form of acceptance.. So people would think that it is ok to be gay...

Anyway, legalising gay marriages definetely wouldn't to contribute to the factor of a decreasing population. They are just a very TINY percentage of the total population and they won't make much of a difference.

And you just can't BECOME gay, if you aren't then you won't suddenly become one.

However, society does discriminate gays.. and people are sure to look down on gay couples.. But then again.. if they can't get married in Singapore.. then they can always migrate to somewhere else...

But from a gay's point of view, it would definetely be much more easier for them.. because they won't have to be together on the secret and can get married.. So it does have its good and bad points, but overall I think that gay marriages should be legalised.

[friends_pt]

i think if it is made legal there will sure be lotsa ppl disagreeing with it... it's something the society cannot accept... the relationship cannot be accepted, wat more the marriage...

[hisashiluv14]

I think a lot of times, many people forget that homosexuals are human beings too. They breathe the same air, eat the same food, feel the same emotions as the rest of us. IMO, they're not very different from me, except that if I happen to have a crush on a gay man, he wouldn't reciprocate my feelings and that would suck. That's all.

I'm for legalising gay marriages. In fact, I strongly believe that a society should have the basic decency to extend the same rights it gives to heterosexuals to homosexuals on the ground that they are human beings. We can't say that homosexuality is 'unnatural' because a lot of things that we do defy nature. I mean, my very act of typing this message and owning a computer IS against nature. When human beings came to Earth (won't argue with the creation theory) we didn't have technology, let alone computers. But we have evolved.

My point is, ideas and perceptions SHOULD evolve with the times too. I know a lot of opinions are bound by religion, and I think religions should change with the times as well. I'm not saying that Christians should accept homosexuality; such changes are radical and impossible in the short run. But I do think that religion should at least tolerate it, if it's sincere about preaching love for all human beings.

And I don't buy the falling birth rates argument at all. If I get married with a man it doesn't mean that I'd want to give birth. And placing such a demeaning value on marriage is, well, demeaning to the dignity of human beings. I don't believe that I have a responsiblity to reproduce. And I don't believe either that the state should impose such thinkings onto the individual. It is MY choice, and I would be using MY funds and MY time and capabilities (or lack thereof) to bring up the kid. Too much would be sacrificed and right now I don't think it's worth it.

Yeah, I've lost my point.

[laruku]

However, society does discriminate gays.. and people are sure to look down on gay couples.. But then again.. if they can't get married in Singapore.. then they can always migrate to somewhere else...


THERE!!! which is true. if they are unable to get married here, and they migrate, won't the sg population get smaller too??? i mean, doesn't mean that gay marriages are not legalised means that these gays will go and marry a woman and give birth. the situation will improve just because gay marriages are legalised or not. anyway, just for info, lots of high-end bigshot exec and capable people are gay too. are we gonna just let them go all because of a sexual orientation? and there we go complain that the foreign talents are grabbing our rice-bowls.

and one does not decide to be gay or not. one just is. they don't just wake up one morning and decide that they will be gay and the next morning straight.

40% of my guy friends are gay and half of them are already cohabiting. no kids! but they WANT one. they just can't coz they are not married!! they are all prepared to adopt from any country, gender isn't an issue, neither is the country of birth. by not legalising gay marriage, aren't we restricting this possibility??

and hisashiluv14, my sentiments exactly.

[DragonPrince]

What?? Gay Marriages? I don't think I will ever support / attend one. Thats disgusting!

God only makes Man and Woman to fall in love. Loving people of the same sex is not very normal.

[jacelyn_edison86]

well.... i think gay marrige nor same-sex marrige should be legalise....
cause out there in the real world, there're lots of gay people so if the goverment here don't approve gay marrige.... they can go to London or other country wherby gay marrige is legalise.... they can married there.....
i know that same sex cant have babies and lots of them are going to overseas and adopt child... i think it's not a bad idea, they can save the lifes of other kids which been abandon by their parents who left them outside in the cold world nor in the orphange....

[petricia]

Just my 2 cents worth of thoughts...

I really think that we should legalize gay marriage... Like laruku and hisashiluv14, I don't buy the whole decreasing population talk... Getting married and having child are two different things altogether. Both involve different responsiblity.

Someone brought up the talk about more teenagers becoming gay and les. Well.. you may be right, it is just part of the crush stage and i really think that... people don't get married at such a young age. (unless... well... shotgun i guess) Gay are just gay, they won't be gay this day and bi another day... It is just their sexual orientation that's different. How's that different from us, heterosexual?

True... Marriage is all but a piece of paper. It is a proof of strong love, strong enough for one individual to share his or her life with another individual. I guess it won't matter to alot of people, though I thought it would be nice to recognise the love of two human beings.

I know that my thoughts are rather scattered but .. I really hope that the law would be passed... though i don't see it in the foreseeable future, seeing how conservative our society is now. I would say... it is a pity for... Love is the same, whether it is between homosexual or heterosexual beings.

[Haseeb]

No offence but Being gay is not a normal thing nor gays marrige,Simple point is why god made Male and female ?If it is not unnatural thing then why God didn't make only male or only females ?

We all are born to have straight sex and make babies like this system is coming from thousands of years.If Gov will support and promot Gayism and Gay marriges then no wonder after 10 15 years population problem will be more higher rather than now.

If England ligalize to gay marriges than its ok for England because they do not need populations asmuch as Singapore need also other ground realties are diffirent for Singapore.So i will just say to all of you who are giving vote for legalizing gay marriges,Please think about what country need and what is best for Singapore.

for those who are giving advice about gay peoples can adopt babies from other countries SINGAPORE NEED ITS OWN GENRATION NOT ADOPTING GENRATION FROM SOME OTHER COUNTRIES.
WE NEED POPULATION FROM SINGAPOREAN WOMENS WHO WIll GIVE BIRTH TO BABIES AND THEN YOU CAN CALL THAT POPULATION A TRUELY SINGAPORIAN.
again no offence guyz i just wanted to show my point to all of you i know many peoples will not agree with my point of view but thats what we call Fredom:tongue:

It is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool, than to open ones mouth and remove all possible doubt.

[icetears-]

ooohhhh there was this debate topic in my school about whether gay marriages should be allowed to adopt children. i guess i`ll support it :X

well i think that it SHOULD be legalized. after all, it ain`t these people`s fault that they hbave more raging female hormones or something. something went wrong during their growth & it`s not up to any of us to comment that what they`re doing is wrong.

these people ARE human. it`s just that their point of views are different from ours, & we should learn to actually respect their opinions.

it`s in their character. & attempting to chage their character is probably tantamount to saying that you`re actually condemning their behaviour, & i don`t think it`s the right solution. it`s just another attack psychologically. oh well, just my two cents worth. hahahahas :X