[SG Talk] There are WAY too many fund raising shows!

[macdawn]

Another of my pet peeve...

Every year, there is the NKF, President Star Charity, Community Chest Show....
And each phone call is at least $5.

I understand the difficulty the NKF, the Community Chest and other voluntary organisations face when it comes to fund raising. But what I don't understand is, why they have to set such a high rate for the calls?

I really don't mind calling in to donate, but what always keeps me back is the cost of each call. I am sure more people would call in, if the cost of the donation is not that high. In fact, I would think more people would donate more than what they intended, if the cost is lower.

In addition, there are too many of those events that uses the audiences' 'pity' to get the donations. Like those many NKF show items, that uses dangerous stunts to wow the audiences and plea for them to open their wallets....

I am beinging to think such show are going for the 'ku rou ji' method.... At first, I was touched by their dedication. Now.... :dry:

What do you think?

-MacDawn

[dazzlette]

i dunno if this is actually related to the topic but since macdawn brought it up i kinda feel i have to say this. I DON'T LIKE THE NKF!! despite all the things that they say on TV the fact is that they are VERY rich.. they spend a lot of money organising these TV shows, attracting foreign artistes, printing donation cards, organising free check-up services and of course, offer many attractive prizes for people to donate and support them.. once they have your contact through some obscure reason they will keep calling you up to take a donation card from them.. and it's so hard to say no.. cos they will insist on it.. :oops:

i'm not a heartless person.. it's just that i feel that there are more needy charities out there other than the NKF.. i wouldn't mind donating to the community chest or a group of charities like the presidents' star charity... they have so much money to organise all these events.. why don't they save on all this money and donate it back to charity?? my parents said that the president or some top guy in the company has been misusing the donation funds (i dunno how true this is ) but it's really disgusting...

ps this is really coincidental but as i was halfway through this post... NKF called me to ask me for their card.. argh!

[jay_fantasy8]

I complete agree... NKF gives out attractive prizes for those who donated money when calling...The huge prizes such as Condominium, car and cash prizes.... They pay money for all these prizes but why not use them to donate to the charities instead??

Its not that I'm heartless.... Me, myself cried when seeing the children or people who suffered from the dieases and see them crying in pain when they went to the hospital for the treatments....but the numerous charity events are really too much... and in school, we have the NKF donation card, SANA, and the sharity elephant... the money collected from each school is already alot.....

The artistes that were performing stunts to raise funds might be a good factor to raise fund...but they risked their lives by doing that... I don't like it..this is too dangerous... This also reminds me about the part when Jack Neo was lying on broken glasses and Desmond Koh jumped on his body... Gosh..that is scary... :crazy:

[Jay_ayumi_4eVeR]

i think that using all those condo, cars to attract pple to donate is actually a gd idea... although pple donate nt cos they wan to but crave for the prizes... but i hate my school for forcing us ( poor students) to donate money by giving out NKF cards... we have to have at least $30 in order to get our CIP pts... tt's overboard... and now i think the fund raising show they are raising the money to donate each time we call... if i'm nt wrong, izzit$8??? and every yr they raises the amt that they aim to get... haiz... we pple aren't that rich... not that we dun wan to donate

[aDrena]

Now that MacDawn has mentioned, do you guys realise that the minimum donation has been raised from $5 to $8? With the economy in the state it is in, charging for EZ Link cards, and goodness know what other price hikes, things are really getting out of hand.

[lattae]

wanna know why they rather give out the prizes:
The prizes are sponsored... and for the sponsors... they rather give a product and let their brand be all over the relevant ads than just give the organisation cash... it's about profit my dears... For the 'charitable organisations', they'd probably also want to 'risk' the value of the prizes and hope more 'hopeful singaporeans' will call and earn more from them...

And for the $5 thing... once upon a time it was only 2 bucks... remember??? and 2 bucks was easy to give away for my family... so we called... now it's 5... and 5 is kinda big (sufficient to buy my famliy the food to cook dinner)... who's gonna give...

Let me highlight the worst part of the 'call n donate'... notice how singtel charges you for a good deed... there is a charge tagged to EVERY call... I mean... this is for charity, and why can't Singtel just provide the lines for free?? is it going to kill them?? they are already making lots of money for goodness sake... time for them to pay back to society and provide toll free lines during these occasion...

[macdawn]

They've just sent me one of those cards...... Anyone of you out here ready to open your wallet AGAIN???? :brows:

You are right, Lattae..... we are also paying for the call, in addition to the donation... Nuts....

$2 I can fork out, $5 I can probably squeeze out..... but $8? They will have to pry that money from my cold dead fingers..... :gun:

-MacDawn

[xian186]

I think they do defeat the whole purpoe of this charity thing. If the ppl wan to donate, they would donate one. but yet the use expensive price to lure ppl to donate. This shld be donation, not attraction!

[jAysTerZ]

hahahx .. u c . pple will get prize lk cars ,condo etc .. expensive item for prize .. which each cost at least for 10 of thousand at least .. but if they donate it out would't it be much more better ?

[macdawn]

Somehow, this donation farce reminds me a lot of the Ho asking people to buy her CDs..... 'donate and win a car', 'buy CD and the proceeds go to charity'... blah blah... I rather just put the money in an envelope and send it to the charity.... waste money on phone calls... :bleh:

-MacDawn

[Polalion]

Right about that.

Charity comes from goodwill. And all these organisations are prying and capitalising on the goodwill and sympathy of Singaporeans.

And especially since this EZ-Link company decides to come in, take away whatever we had in the past and then entire change it, make us use the new system, and now they want us to pay for it. And the government actually had let them do it.

This is burning up our pockets as a whole.

[finenergy]

I think there are too many charity shows on mediacorp that people get quite tired of them after 2 or 3...
Like there was just another one today....:s
Not that i don't sympathise the people but i feel that there's really too many fund raising shows le...
And when u walk down the street,u often see people holding the stack of white papers,asking others to donate $2 to that charity.....
i rmb i donated le and then a few days later,there's another person asking me 2 donate again.....and the person is like "there's no harm in donating again!" so i think.....tt's true....so i donate again....but then i read in the papers that this supposed "volunteers" earn money while doing this and a percentage of this money goes to a company which the charity asked to help them get donations in......
augh!!!so infuriating!!!!!
My donation getting split into so many parts and not all reaching the charity itself!!!!
So from now on,i will not donate to those $2 white papers stuff.... :wacko:

[MoUsEy]

Why don't they come out with a charity show and donate the money to me instead? :dry: More charity shows is one thing.. the minimum amount of donation keeps increasing and increasing.. argh. Really can't stand the government sometimes :ranting:

[cackt]

so many rich pple in sg,those actor/tress also can donate...leng leng few thousands $$ becos they are performing so they have no need to call to donate? i also dunnoe,$2 $5 we can call,$8 is abit too much...

[lattae]

Why don't they come out with a charity show and donate the money to me instead? :dry: More charity shows is one thing.. the minimum amount of donation keeps increasing and increasing.. argh. Really can't stand the government sometimes :ranting:

I don't really thing it has to do with the government... the charity shows are run by the individual association etc...

so many rich pple in sg,those actor/tress also can donate...leng leng few thousands $$ becos they are performing so they have no need to call to donate? i also dunnoe,$2 $5 we can call,$8 is abit too much...

don't you realize that sometimes the richer someone gets the more of a miser they are?? I mean... their wealth is 'accumulated' and sometimes, for these richies, they get comforted by the 'numbers' on the bank book... the 'papers' for the shares, property etc, I'll just term them as 'assets'... and most of the rich are asset rich... not cash rich...it's the more 'average' joe, who don't have the means to get these 'assets' to average joe, and surely you'd have $ to spare if they are not tied up in some assets... and sometimes the 'poorer' folks it's easier to experience contentment, so they won't mind giving some off...

[*meow]

yeah lorz... the richer those people are, the more miserly they become. :dry: ... and, yeah, i agree that those organizations shouldn't give away so many expensive stuff to attract people to donate money lorz.. i mean, by the time those sponsors sponsor all these prizes, they might as well ask the sponsors to give those charities the money.. -_-" waste our money man...

and those artistes work so hard for these shows... is it worth it anot? i dun think so lorz... still remember last year com chest ask jay to sing... this year ask wilber to sing... =p heez... but i think there's still no point in doing so many things lor...

[macdawn]

That is really true, the people who have all the money tend to be those who hog the money. Many years ago, I did a volunteering thing for Youth Challenge (for free, unlike those people selling donation tix nowadays.... :bigyuck: ) I went door-to-door, asking people to help buy a $2 key chain.

I walked most of the blocks in my area, and I noticed that the residents of two-room, three room flats were kinder. Even though they may not buy the key chain, they would still hear me out. When I approached those executive flats (I think, those that were 2 two-room /three room flats that were joined together and sold as a single unit...) the residents did not even open the door. Like one in particular, when I knocked on the door, the resident did not answer. As their living room window opens to the common corridor, I could hear them, 'secretly' trying to close thw indow, and pretend they are not in.

I sold three times more key chains to the two room/three room resident, then to those living in the excutive flats (Sorry, if I offend any of you living in one of those flats! It was areal personal experience!) If that was any indication, then it proves my point about the rich hogging the money...... :bleh:

-MacDawn

[petheads]

I've not done door to door fund-raising before, but I remember my Flag Day experiences very clearly. The well-dressed working class (the suits) are usually the ones who will go all out to avoid you, pretend never to hear you, or just give you the meanest stare for blocking their way. It's usually the aunties with their many NTUC bags, the uncles in slippers and singlets who will dig out all their coins to donate.

[nuofu]

I've not done door to door fund-raising before, but I remember my Flag Day experiences very clearly. The well-dressed working class (the suits) are usually the ones who will go all out to avoid you, pretend never to hear you, or just give you the meanest stare for blocking their way. It's usually the aunties with their many NTUC bags, the uncles in slippers and singlets who will dig out all their coins to donate.

i have done it before too, and yes, i find that the mothers with children donate the most. the working people avoids you. the well dressed pple, esp women (no offense) with those VERY high heels and those Prada handbags and stuff.

[Melvin]

Yea I really agree... There's just so many fund raising shows on TV... and although I always watch them... I've only ever donated once... and for only $5... and I didn't donate just becuase I wanted to win some prize... I mean.. what are the chances that you are going to win anyway... Talking about door to door fund raising... I did it last year... and some people are really rude... I mean if they don't want to donate they can say so politely... and there was also someone who was REALLY kind and donated $50 at one go... anyway back to topic... it's isn't wrong to hold fund raising shows... and the stunts are quite cool too... but there's just too many... Sometimes more than 2 in a month...

[lattae]

about the door to door thing... hmmm... I usually won't donate if it's not a 'flag' day type thing... cos I am not used to it (like I am not sure if it's for real)... eg these days I see lots of teens asking for donating with 'ticket' like stuff... I am not sure if they are genuine or some 'conmen'

but if I see the flag day people... or like the recent boys brigade peopl... I am more than willing to give...

the only door to door people that I donate to are the scouts when they are on their job week...

let's just say I am cautious... :happy:

[cherily]

My donation getting split into so many parts and not all reaching the charity itself!!!!
So from now on,i will not donate to those $2 white papers stuff.... :wacko:

Hey i get alot of those stuff too..and these so-called volunteers will stake out at orchard mrt station all the time..and it makes it worse if i m wearing my school uniform cuz they will often target us. :dry: Now i have taken a different approach and started ignoring them totally or ducking away from them by splitting up with my friends and walking in different directions to confuse them.

I agree with all of u guys when u say that NKF is very rich..heard from my aunt that they just moved to a new building and i think they used our donation money for that new building lorh..and why cant they convert the prizes for money and use it as a donation instead? Then they will get more donations this way..rather donate to other charity shows like the community chest one or president's charity show lorh cuz the donations go to a number of charities not just one. But if all the artistes don't use the 'ku rou ji' and do all the stunts the amount of donations would be much less u see.. :mello:

The community chest show only got like one hundred thousand calls but the nkf one can get around six hundred thousand calls or more if i m not wrong right? :?

[macdawn]

Guess what? I think, this is about time to revive this thread....

Only a few months after the conclusion for the NKF three-part fund raising show, I just realised that there's ANOTHER fund raising show?!?!

I mean, yeah, there are a lot of people out there who desperately need our help, and I do think such fund raising events are good. But, how many fund raising shows have we had this year????

And also, during these fund raising shows, they basically flood the audiences with excessive amounts of sob stories, most of the clips, would end with the host wiping their tears and things like that.

Like I said before, the first few times I was touched and opened my heart and wallet, and tried to help as much as I could. But twice, third, and fourth time.... now, I am so sorry to say, I am totally numbed towards such emotional blackmail. I really call them blackmail, cos they do just that, cruelly twisting your heart so bad, till you gave them the donations.

I am beginning to feel that the organisations that are calling for donations, in particular NKF, is starting to take us for suckers. They chanced upon a winning formula once, and now they want to replicate it in every manner possible, so as to maximise the amount of money they can milk out of geneous Singaporeans.

I admit, their reasons for this hard-core blackmail is very noble, to help the poor sick people cope with their medical bills..... but, using the same emotional hassle year after year, putting the lives of many local artistes in danger, doing all sorts of stunts in the name of charity.... I am so tired of it now. I was tired last year when I first started this thread.... and I am even more tired of this psychological blackmail onslaught this year.....

What more can I say? There are just WAY too many fund raising show!

-MacDawn

[petheads]

Be careful what you say, MacDawn. Be very careful. Did you read the recent article about NKF and the defamation cases? :shifty: NKF is known for striking back.

But we all know the Truth.

Anyhow, I've stopped watching charity shows that give out prizes for donating. Have you noticed that nowadays, they don't even tell you that you're donating to charity? "Instant cash wins with sms!" Fine fine print flashed on tv screens about the price of each call and the purpose.

The emotional blackmail has stopped for me coz' I just stop watching the programmes. No more Zoe stunts will get me to lift the receiver. I pray and hope that if there are less donors, they will give up the idea of trying to kill the artistes. Alas, the day has not come.

Right now, I just prefer to donate direct to the charity organisation. No strange complex reasoning call charges, no $ paid to the broadcasting stations for cost. For me, it's also no NKF. :ranting:

[ene]

Yes, definitely a case of too many cooks spoiling the broth. There are so many charity shows these days that I can't even remember which charities they're supporting ! :oops:

Like some of you here, I don't bother donating these days. The last cause I donated to was the Renci Charity by Mediaworks. I support shows like that when there are no big fat prizes to be won (ie, condos, cars, etc). To me, that's not being charitable because I swear there are many people out there who are calling/sms-ing in just so they have a chance to win the prizes.

They make me :sick:

[hisashi]

oh yeah. U can say that again. I don't mind the donation tins but please don't "cheat" elderly's money anymore. Do you know that my grandfather actually donated few hundred dollars to NHK early this year? my god..he is obviously not working..and my unmarried uncle earns abt S$1.5K a month.. I mean this is not very frequent..yes..u can donate but this seems too much for the public..

I will not donate but I will watch the show... :D anyways, donating is volunteering right?

[macdawn]

I dun think I am gonna even watch this show..... I will end up feeling so touched by their sob stories... my hand will crept towards the phone.... :sweat:

-MacDawn

[smilepiggy]

hmm, i think because of all the controversy that NKF has tons of resevers in their 'banks' that this yr, they changesd to helping the NKF childrens' fund, of which doesnt make mch of a diff. :crazy: :worry:
its like, the NKF childrens' fund helps a more varied popluation of children with diff ilnesses that is. aww. :cry: be prepared for all the short films on how much the poor child is suffering.and prepare your tissues! :wacko:

[ene]

Is it me or it is bordering on crass, the way they show the suffering of these kids ? I mean, don't get me wrong. I am fully sympathetic towards them and even shed a few tears.

But when I thought about it, it seem to border on being a hit below the belt. Let's put it this way - it would take nerves of steel not to be touched when shown such clips.

Perhaps that is the whole point of showing those clips.

[hisashi]

I dunno but showing this clips make the public show sympathy to the children whom in turn will donate money to the kids and the public is me. One of the reason why they have to show it on Sunday is because most ppl will have to go to work tomorrow and they will sure stay at home to watch the show and then..they will donate the money..and again, the stunts and all that stuff didn't earn my sympathy.. :wink2:

[macdawn]

Guess what? according to the news reports..... apparently the die-hard stunts of the local artistes are not opening as many wallets as the overseas artistes!!! :excited: finally someone should tell those ppl that we are really tired of the nail-biting moments??? I didn't even had the urge to watch the show....

I was afraid my poor heart might not be able to take it..... and then I'll see my money fly right out of the window...

BTW, the reporters should remember they are talking about fans of 5566..... DUH, those nutty fans of 5566 are even more hardcore than F4.... (no offense meant to both 5566 fans and F4 fans, but that's how I feel)

-MacDawn

[ene]

dawn Am gonna admit it here that I am a fan of 5566 and not only did I miss their performance :oops:, I didn't not donate.

So you see ? Not all fans are mad fans :tongue:

[macdawn]

dawn Am gonna admit it here that I am a fan of 5566 and not only did I miss their performance :oops:, I didn't not donate.

So you see ? Not all fans are mad fans :tongue:
Nah, ya not a nutty fan of 5566...... cos ya spent all ya nuttiness here... I am refering to the young, innocent fans out there.....who queued for DAYS just to catch like a few seconds glimpse of 5566.....spent a lot of their parent's money, just to support their idols....

It is so easy to just dial the number, then when the bill comes..... :dead:

-MacDawn

[knock]

Hello! Im back..

Yea, i dint even watch the recent charity shows anymore. What with all those dangerous stunts. I wonder how much more dangerous can they think of.. It's time to change tactics le huhs..? Tsk.

Talking bout the bill, i called once during the NKF kidney show. And when the bill comes, woohoo. God bless me. 1 call = 5 calls made. And they make it sound as though you call and you get to win millions of dollars. Oh yea?

[[mUsHrOoM]]

haha. knock~ did you dial the wrong number ? hahas. maybe you called the one whereby it charges five calls straight!

i called for the previous nkf show. but i dun think i would call for this time's round. im worrying about the bills instead! :shy:
its really saddening seeing how the kids had suffered. and yet because of the bills, i dare not call and make my mum 'suffer' instead. :?

and ene! hahaha. true, not all fans are mad fans. but those fans hu attended the show are MAD fans!! :bleh:

btw, did anyone realise how much they had charged per call? its getting more and more and more. ugh. heard that mediacorp would always take a dollar from every call. im not very sure about this though.. :glug:

[smilepiggy]

hmm, i think its like $5.25 per call. aww.but the kids look really pitiful, and i tot this charity show was ntbad ..as compared to previous years, risking lifes of sort... and they best thhing is they mix the overseas and local one! at least it wasnt that separated liek a compettion of sort .hehe

[chewy]

I dun mind charity shows but I agreed wif ya guys that nkf seems to b hmm...I think it's has over exposure thru all kinds of things like the hai you ming tian drama , donation cards...on top of this they made charity works look like some lucky draws, the more u call, the more u win and I think that really sux...if those who called have their whole heart out to help the needy patients why not after they have recd the prizes they donate back to the charity, I mean that is den wat I call giving from the heart or else everything juz seem to be too superficial...haiz...so sad to c the singapore society in this way

[ene]

OMG. I just saw this online today.

NKF to stage third show to raise funds for Children's Medical Fund

SINGAPORE : Part two of the NKF Children's Medical Fund charity show raised an additional S$5 million in aid of children beneficiaries. This brings the total amount raised so far to more than S$10 million.

And in view of the tremendous response, NKF has decided to stage a third show on Thursday, 22 July.

It will be a one-hour special starting at 8pm on Channel 8.

Highlights from Sunday's live show over MediaCorp's Channel 8 included performances by Taiwanese singers Sky Wu and Jeff Chang.

The show also featured a bouncing Chen Li Ping retrieving ingredients for comedian chef Moses Lim to cook.

Last week, the artistes raised S$5.1 million for the NKF Children's Medical Fund.

Started three years ago, the Fund has helped about 3,600 children suffering various illnesses, from kidney failure to diabetes.

The NKF donation hotlines will remain open for more pledges.

You can call in to donate at the following numbers: 1900-1128888 $5, 1900-1128833 $15, 1900-1128855 $25. - CNA

You mean 2 shows with more than S$10 million raised is still not enough ?! :glug: Talk about milking it for all its worth !!

[macdawn]

WHAT???? A third show????

Those darn NKF..... what do they think Singaporeans are? The goose that laid golden eggs??? The cow with unlimited supply of milk???

That's what I mean, when they found something that can help them get money, they milk it for all they are worth..... I am really getting irrated by the show...... not that I want the children to die or something..... I sure hope that stupid show flops, so that the NKF wake up their ideas..... :angry:

-MacDawn

[Nikral]

hmmm too many fun raising shows eh? Ive only seen them if I watch those "special" shows that dont have any commercials unless you count really annoying people asking for money!!

Our school is like fund raising hell! Almost every week there is a new fund raiser and it gets on my nerves cause they always like "people we need donations" but i usualy reply with IM NOT THAT RICH!!!!

[ene]

It's interesting you bought up the school fund raising, nik. I got that all the time when I was in school and it was almost every few months, we'd have to do some fund raising event to raise funds for a new school building, etc. It was a few years later that I saw the new school building which meant that I was already not in the school !

:oops:

[Squall]

10 millions dollar for the NKF children fund...
NKF must be freaking rich now..
they got four shows a year..
i really pity those artiste who have to participate in the show..
but maybe those unfortunate people really need the money...]
too many charity show-->many unfortunate people in Singapore

[weiz]

each call cost 5 bucks, they break the show into two week, if we call in for these two weeks, there goes our $10. besides tat, each year got sooo many shows, each show we call, i donno how much we have spend. moreover, on the streets, where students do their cip by selling flags, we also donate. after all these, the charity organisation should be quite rich already...

[macdawn]

I just read on the newspaper that there was this little 8-year-old girl who took the artistes' hard selling "Call once get 1,000, call ten times to get 10,000" as the truth, and really thought she was helping her parents get more money... and made more than $1,000 worth of calls.... her parents really beat the crap out of her, and ban her from watching TV.....

And according to the report, even old folks and housewives fell for the gimmick, and made more calls than they could afford..... Darn it, NKF, why did they have to turn a good cause into something like a media circus????? :ranting:

-MacDawn

[petricia]

just saw this thread.. anyway, i agree with macdawn, on the emotional blackmail... i mean... when the show initially started, my family and i were like.. "So poor thing... only 2 bucks.. let's donate." Now, our response is "so ex... cannot afford.." and will not call anymore. although we are really moved by the clips, we often choose to just close an eye.

I used to watch them too... but now i dun.... i agree that charity is for the good of the poor and there really isn't a need to put our stars thru the fire and those damn dangerous action.....

abt the prizes... i agree with lattae... i mean why dun they just donate an equavinlent amt?? coz they want publicity... can't deny that fact... Moreover, there might really be people who are trying their luck.... so it is a + point in some cases. I am not being high and noble here... but i really prefer the RENCI one... where there is no returns at all... i mean it makes pple feel that they are really helping pple instead of being trapped between the feelings of wanting to help or wanting to win a prize.

abt donations on the st... i used to donate whenever one approach.... nowadays... i jsut dodge... i mean.. you have these flag selling thingy EVERY SAT... did anyone notice?? and many times, the students are being forced into it... so they are naturally not very entu. i met some which really make my blood boiled.... i mean tey didn't even say a word! they just stand in front of you and expect you to donate. if you dun, they will kinda glare a little at times... i mean.. where is the significance? so i learn to reject them.... Personally, i do agree that usually it is the uncles and aunties that i'll approach more if i am doing flag selling.... they are more generous than the average worrking pple....

[laruku]

flag selling.. i have a fomula that guarantees success... 75% of the time...

walk up to ANYONE. smile. ask relatively loudly if they would like to donate. (loud enough for passers-by near them to hear but not too loud as to scare them)

somehow i find that if you are nice to them.. they will donate.. obviously.. but i also find that if you make yourself heard, esp to people around them.. they will be embarrased enough to donate... the typical singaporean 'cannot-lose-face' trait.. haha.. but level of loudness has to improve with practice.. just loud enough for people to look at the 'victim'... but not shouting.. whahaha.. i perfecxted that skill during all those flag raising i had to do for CIP points.. lolz... :laughing:

[HaNaBi]

I remembered when I was just about 7 yrs old, the cost for each call was about $0.10. At that point of time my family really made alot of calls, as it was really without our budget. But on the next year, the cost was increased to $0.50 then a dollar then $2 and finally $5. I don't really mind the cost of the donation at all. But it is the way they persuade people to donate, with eye popping rewards and condo, cars, cash. My family has been thinking: "Where in the F*cking world does NKF get all these things?" It certainly seems to me that the NKF show is beginning to be more than just a charity show to raise funds.

And of cuz, for the past few years, my family has boycotted from donating to NKF, as we found that it was all pretty fake, by using possible rewards for doing donation. and all the phrases like "Donate doesn't need to have reward or anything in return." which really is rather confusing. Because we people DO donate out of pity and to help these poor people, but there are actually alot of people out there who donate in hoping to get something in return, which is not the true meaning of donation already.

I'll rather donate to the charity show "Ren Ci" which didn't used any rewards or watsoever to beg people to donate. NKF should have been like Ren Ci.

And I've realised the frequency of charity shows nowadays. Back about 8 years ago, it was very rare to see a charity show. and mostly the responses would be very overwhelming, due to the fact that the audiences don't get to see these kinda TV charity shows very often. But as the years go by, the no. of these charity increased alot. From 1 per year to about 4-6 of these shows a year. Really. I'm beginning to disgust these kinda shows, which are exploiting the emotional weaknesses of human beings...

I DO realised that they have flag selling, almost every weekends and just 2 weeks ago, I was shocked that they even have flag selling on weekdays. But, I think one of the reasons behind people rejecting to donate would be "Where do all these money go to? Do they really go to the organisations which are being said? Will the money be used on other things?" etc etc questions. So I think if these flag selling events want to be successful, I guess the best options would be to let the people really understand where the money goes to, and how will they be used, in order to gain the confidence of the people, and the same would go to NKF and REN CI and other charitable organisations.

[smilepiggy]

flag selling can be great fun. hahas, like there was once this guy whom i asked if he wld like to donate , and he's like sure, why not. u are the first to ask me. the rest at the front of the street are all standing like dummies.

i'm like -__- ok,sometimes i think ...if u ask, people wld donate..but if u dun, they probably wun too!

[lattae]

sorry for bumping up an old thread... but I am positively irritated when I saw yet another "charity show" advert on TV today (yes, I haven't watched TV for days and I am "behind")

I thought we were just done with President's star charity?!?! Now Cancer patients need money too?!? All within the span 1 month?!?! this is way too much. They have reduced mediacorp artistes to circus animals doing weird stunts, and turned organisers into blood suckers for our money?!?

I know that they are the needy... they are poor... they need our help. YES I know!!! But it's WAY to REGULAR! come on'... other than having a flag day every weekend, is their next aim to have one charity show every month/fortnight?

Seriously, I think I am sick and tired of charity shows. Just give me a place to send my check to donate... that way, it's more efficient, you don't have to waste resources on planning the event. AND I get to watch TV programs proper, be it serials/super old/repeat movies whatever. I am tired of seeing the stunts, and the teary eyed pleas (by the artistes no less) for donation.

:dry:

[macdawn]

I am so tired of all the charity shows right now, I don't really keep track of the shows anymore..... Last I know, there is the President Star Charity...... and I kept thinking the cancer show is also part of the President Star, when they were showing the rehearsal clips, with Tay Peng Hui and a gal, (I wasn't really paying attention no more) I thought that was the one for the President Star Charity.....

And right between this cancer fund raising, isn't there this fund-raising concert called the "Yellow Ribbon Project"? I remember the concert is on the same day as Jay's taiwan concert.....

So many fund raising events this year, guess how much I donated this year? ZERO
When there was only the NKF show, and only 1 NKF show, I donated like $30+..... Now, $0, and I am not feeling guilty or anything, because I am so weary of their emotional blackmail.

-MacDawn

[hongdou]

ya i share the same views as u all, think if they kept presenting us with the charity shows, it is a matter of time when we will all be numbed by the high frequency. i m also quite fed up with the endless charity shows, there are simply far too many this year. i used to donate quite a no. of calls for NKF but now i cant be bothered or rathered should i said i m already immuned to such programs. with the lack of transparency of where the donation goes to, i think we should all consider carefully b4 we make the donation. yes, i do sympathise with the patients, & who knows i might be one of them in the future. but really there are too many such programs to be able to touch my heart now. after all, there is already a monthly GIRO deduction from my bank, i had already done my part for the patients.

[friends_pt]

Well, i agree that there's too many charity show in singapore. But think of it... though they are so many charity shows, it exist b'cos there are many needy people who need our help... we jus didn't realise abt the needy's existence jus b;cos we are living in such good n comfortable life... i won't think that we shld in any way, do our best to support these charity show within ur ability...

[petricia]

i guess all of us are immune to it... thanks to the "vacinations" that were given to us all year round...
i mean... yah... if we have extra cash, why not? But it is just getting too much... i know our govt is not a welfare state and that our fellow singaporean need our help... but this is getting too much... i mean.. if they come up with one or two ultra mega shows and said that "that's all for the yr" i'll probably donate more...

P.S. by ultra mega show, i did not mean all the big stars... i mean as long as i can see that the local artists are putting extra effort, i would still donate...

[macdawn]

Hey people, get you wallets and hankies ready!!! The NKF show is back!

Add that to the new TCS show, it is tears galore and wallets empty..... I really don't mind watching the show which talks about the suffering of the kidney patients, and I might actually consider donating, *hands poised to open wallet*
except, in the middle of the show, they started singing NKF's praises, and how NKF saves a lot of people... blah blah.....

*tucks wallet back into pocket*

[Cardboard_Jay]

Just saw that 5566 will be performing on the NKF show. Another reason to avoid the show.

[liwei_jay]

haha...
although i really dun like to watch tear jerking shows like this
i would still make an effort to donate once...
i mean it's no harm to donate .. a little.. i definately can spare it..
juz a phone call away only also ..
and it can help ppl..

abt the artistes that gonna featured in the show..
i was actually quite looking forward to emil's show.. like his songs..

[no_pride]

Duh...I used to love these charity shows, but grew tired of it when I see similar stunts being performed. It's always the same old method. The artistes always say, "Our pain is nothing, but the patients' pain is forever. So please pick up your phone and call 1900-112-....". Tired of this manz.

Hey people, get you wallets and hankies ready!!! The NKF show is back!

Add that to the new TCS show, it is tears galore and wallets empty..... I really don't mind watching the show which talks about the suffering of the kidney patients, and I might actually consider donating, *hands poised to open wallet*
except, in the middle of the show, they started singing NKF's praises, and how NKF saves a lot of people... blah blah.....

*tucks wallet back into pocket*

Oh, and btw, it's no longer TCS anymore. TCS = Toilet Cleaning Service. :bleh: LOLx!

[yenny1106]

Duh...I used to love these charity shows, but grew tired of it when I see similar stunts being performed. It's always the same old method. The artistes always say, "Our pain is nothing, but the patients' pain is forever. So please pick up your phone and call 1900-112-....". Tired of this manz.

ya i agree with u mans..n i think performing stunts - no meaning n no relation...
n i really really think they shld donate those prizes (like hundereds of thousands dollars )instead of giving them to the public! sigh i really think its meaningless.. but when they show the shots of the patients, my eyes never fail to be teary...:cry: so although i dun like the way they do it, i think i'll still donate la..
but i think we shld not only donate to NKF, we shld donate to other organizations whenever we can. :-) i think NKF is siphoning off the charity donations lei... the other time straits times featured an article on NKF n it was really an eye-sore to see the photo of the dialysis centre with 1 plasma TV n aquarium at each patient's chairside! surely they dun need so many plasma TVs n aquariums!! :crazy:

[tangwk1990]

Why must there be so much charity shows?? :dry: I don't really find it interesting, especially when all the patients are suffering and the audiences are all enjoying the show. Especially singers who perform during the charity songs by singing songs and that's all. Some people will just go there and support their favourite singers and not really helping those suffering patients.

Why must our local artists perform stunts in charity shows everytime? Find that they are quite unrelated to those patients who are suffering... :dry: And why must they risk their lives sometimes?? :oops:

Charity shows without prizes I can still accept. But for NKF, I'll not support them at all. Why not they donate the money paid for the prizes to the charity? Find that NKF is really stupid... :oops:

And what is my favourite Cyndi doing at this Charity show!! :ranting: I'm glad that Jay doesn't come to these charity shows to perform!! :happy:

[lurvee-jielun]

i really wonder why every year there's so much charity shows in singapore. and the worse thing. these charity shows always give out attractive prizes. why don't they use the money and donate instead of giving out all these prizes?

[macdawn]

Oh well, my other fav guy, Wakin (aka Emil Chau) is performing in the show, and so, to help him, I am going to help out in some of the promotional drive.... If ya see me giving out pamphlets on the road, dun spit on me, okie? :oops:

The things I do for the people I adore :angel:

-MacDawn

[danielle86]

haha... i won't spit on you...
anyway, i was thinking... if they making us to donate... is through our real heart or for the sake of the attractive prizes?
its like no point donating the money and trying to win some money out of the lucky draws.
they should make those budget of attractive prizes to more greater use..
or change the prizes....

[xin0829]

Precisely. If people want to donate, they will donate even without the shows. Take the tsunami disaster case for example, just by reading the news in papers and tvs had made thousand hundreds worldwide to donate generously. If nkf want donations, they can simply show the clips of patients during commercial ads of those prime time programmes. I'm sure viewers upon seeing those clips will pick up the phone.

There isn't a need to spend so much in inviting overseas singers, the prizes, and the risk the local artistes faced in performing the stunts. These are so unnecessary, might as well donating all the money spent, like what many of you here had said.

Does anyone watched "A life of hope" on ch 8? That show is totally trying to pull in more donations for this year's charity. As far as i could remember clearly, there is one episode where the female lead said, "The nkf need to reserve money for the future, in case something happened, such as the economy falls, people will stop donating and eventually they will be unable to help the needy."

Doesn't it sounds like they actually have enough money for now? They are just asking for more. Yep, sounds logical when they say economy may falls one day, but if they are just asking for reserve, can i say it is too often to have the show once a year?

Phew. Just my POV.

Edit:
yenny011, are you sure on the part of plasma tvs and aquariums at the diaysis centre? That's ridiculous! Unless the management give a good explaination on why a plasma is chosen over the normal ones and the need for an aquarium, oh no, aquarium???!!! Don't tell me that is to beautify up the place, that's craps, i'm not going to donate anymore.

[hamtaro]

Precisely. If people want to donate, they will donate even without the shows. Take the tsunami disaster case for example, just by reading the news in papers and tvs had made thousand hundreds worldwide to donate generously. If nkf want donations, they can simply show the clips of patients during commercial ads of those prime time programmes. I'm sure viewers upon seeing those clips will pick up the phone.

There isn't a need to spend so much in inviting overseas singers, the prizes, and the risk the local artistes faced in performing the stunts. These are so unnecessary, might as well donating all the money spent, like what many of you here had said.

Does anyone watched "A life of hope" on ch 8? That show is totally trying to pull in more donations for this year's charity. As far as i could remember clearly, there is one episode where the female lead said, "The nkf need to reserve money for the future, in case something happened, such as the economy falls, people will stop donating and eventually they will be unable to help the needy."

Doesn't it sounds like they actually have enough money for now? They are just asking for more. Yep, sounds logical when they say economy may falls one day, but if they are just asking for reserve, can i say it is too often to have the show once a year?

Phew. Just my POV.

Edit:
yenny011, are you sure on the part of plasma tvs and aquariums at the diaysis centre? That's ridiculous! Unless the management give a good explaination on why a plasma is chosen over the normal ones and the need for an aquarium, oh no, aquarium???!!! Don't tell me that is to beautify up the place, that's craps, i'm not going to donate anymore.


Maybe the plasma tvs are given by sponsors? Or some patient bought them, and put it in dialysis centre for the benefit of others since they spend a few hours there?

[macdawn]

I am quite fine with the way NKF works, because from what I know, they may have a fews ponsors who could have sponsored those TVs. And hamtaro is right, the patients do need something to distract them from the pain of dialysis.

Like I said, I am okay with the way NKF operates, but is it the donation drive sob-tactics that really gets my back up. The episode xin0829 mentioned was the one I really rolled my eyes at, and was the episode I had mentioned earlier too. That outright 'promotion' of NKF is so..:bigyuck:... definitely NOT going to prompt me to start running for my wallet/phone. :rasp:

-MacDawn

[xin0829]

Maybe the plasma tvs are given by sponsors? Or some patient bought them, and put it in dialysis centre for the benefit of others since they spend a few hours there?

OoO... so i must have miss out the point that there may be sponsors.

Well, the tvs were sponsored, that better be the case then!

[Cardboard_Jay]

Yesterday, I was watching the NKF show, and I noticed that the 'number' group and that cutesy girl, they didn't stay for the finale. I wonder why?

But overall the show was okay, they didn't use that much sob tactics this time. I was almost tempted to call. Esp when Zhong Qing was doing the stacking glass bottle stunt....

[indigo]

Yeah, yesterday's NKF show's pretty alright, but I didn't bother to finish watching :-)

Frankly I'd rather donate to organizations which help conserve the environment or for animal welfare than donate to an organization such as NKF. Yes I'd rather save animals and the environment than save people coz people are the cause of their own problems and they've ruined too much of the environment already for me to care. And as a human being, I am ashamed that with the $189 million of reserves which the NKF has in cash, they're still asking people to donate, instead of help diverting our donations to other organizations which are desperately in need of donations. Heart disease is the number 1 killer in Singapore, so are the various types of cancer, but the majority of the charity pie goes to the NKF, just because it's 'National' and it gets much more airtime and publicity than the others, and there're like our favourite 5566, Mayday and other bigshot artistes performing. It's all pretty biased if you ask me. And the inclusion of attractive prizes, they don't come cheap, from the sponsors and all that, they should just do away with all that sh*t and just directly donate to the NKF. It's like dangling a carrot in front of a bunny to ask us to donate with the hope of striking it rich. Though it works, but it doesn't reflect very well on our motive, although some people DO genuinely want to donate.

Although these patients really truly genuinely need our help and aha kind donations, it’s still too extreme for them to make use of sob tactics and even spinning dramas and praising NKF. If people want to donate, people will naturally and automatically do so. Sheesh, *sends $100 cheque to SPCA*

/End of rant - I'm biased towards NKF :rolleyes:

[Cardboard_Jay]

Sometimes, I really don't mind donating to such causes, but I HATE the way they keep telling you, "if you call now you can win this, win that" When I call to donate, the winning is so far from my mind, you can't even see it.

Which f***ing creep calls a donation line, hoping to win a stupid car anyway?

[lattae]

well

there are lots of creeps like that out there... look at all the cars claimed til date. If they didn't care about the car, they could have "re-donated" it to the organisation.

[no_pride]

Those who won the prizes are usually rich people, becuase they have the money to keep calling and donating, therefore there chances of winning the prizes is much higher than those lower- and middle-income group...

Anyway, my mum called 1 time when Emil appeared, haha, and no more...perhaps another one this coming week?

[macdawn]

Are you ready people? Cos the 1900-nhumbers are back.... for what foundation I really don't know. I already lost track of the number of charity shows hosted this year..... I know there are people who need our help out there, but somehow, the picture I am getting everytime I think of these charity shows is this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v122/macdawn/leech.jpg
the Hirudo medicinalis aka medicinal leech... :rolleyes:

-MacDawn

[liwei_jay]

hmmm...
there's been charity fund raising all year round manz..
i've noticed that every weekend i went down to orchard
i'll surely sees students askin for donations...
hmmm... i wonder if s'pore is really so charitable or are they taking advantage of the kind ppl who really wans to donate.... :rolleyes:
and now next sat they're having another dunno what donation charity show AGAIN??
gosh... :glug:
really worried tat s'pore ppl might go broke if this keeps going... :whistle:

[macdawn]

Guess what?
NKF pays their CEO a freaking $550,000 per year, including a 10-month performance bonus, and also have $1000 gold plated tap and designer toilet bowl in his personal office. And he has the cheek to say his office toilet is for the use of his executive, the NKF workers and the public. Hmm... does that mean I can go to his office and ask to use his bathroom and shower? :dry:

I am seriously thinking of withdrawing my month contribution, except there are people who really need the money, despite these extravagance :oops:

-MacDawn

[moku]

I'm not sure, but Its not 10 months, its 12 months bonus right? I seen it from the chinese newspaper.
Personally, I feel pretty angry, because despite the artist's hardwork, partially has gone to ceo? I read from the news paper that he owns 8 cars, 4 or 6 drivers, and when he need to go for business trip, he get the first class seats. And all this charges NKF pay for it. His monthly salary, 25k a month. and additional 12 months bonus??? I one month only 1k plus, after CPF? He's definately one rich guy. Speak from the heart, do u think he got dial a single one of this 1900sss??? Some more Nkf tell the media that they have 3000 patients for treatment every year, which the truth have only 2000. What's this? And also the funds they have now can at LEAST last them for another 5 to 8 years, but to the media, they report at the most 3 years. I understand that you should be prepared for rainy days, but this is too overboard. They are simply misleading the public. And to think that they use the money like this? High salary, comfortable working enviroment, first class airplane, unlimited charity funds, I also want a job like that. Now, I dun trust NKF any more. If I can choose, I rather donate blood or what. Call me cold blooded or whatever, but this is what I think.

[liwei_jay]

same here..
so pissed off when i see the news few days ago...
i was like WTH.... :glug:
getting ard $50,000 per month for salary?? (bonus included)??
my goodness...
yah i understand that he's a CEO.. but this is suppose to be a charity organisation
and your salary is also comin from US the DONORS.....
dun he feels BAD for taking so MUCH out of it?!?!
i mean.. if he did NOT GET so much salaries or BONUSES..
i bet the NKF dun HAV to always DO charity shows to ask public for MONEY!!!
at least then more sick ppl will be able to SAVE!!!

:dry: i'll NEVER DO ANOTHER DONATION..
I'LL PROBABLY juz donate blood too..
since i donate that alot too.. :rasp:

[JerrYDuDeJay]

Dammit.

Just pull him out and castrate him. Smash his cars, office, bathroom and let him rot in the debris(Correct?).

About $600000 a year? I mean, the money is coming out of our fellow singaporean's pockets. Even people who do not earn much donate. Phone charges and GST for donating. And all the money goes to him?!
And still Mrs Goh Chok Tong defends them? Guess no one's gonna trust charity association anymore.

To think that EVERY YEAR they come to our schools and ask for money.

Imagine if on Sunday's donation drive no one appears and donation only reaches to $10. Haha..that would be great.

Moku: No one is gonna need your ''cold'' blood. Maybe reptiles. XDD..j/k.

[sleepin'tom]

My mum told me about him this morning. She told me to sign the petition :oops: $600,000 per year wages is ridiculous for any charity organisation member. Charity should be a non profitable enterprise. Divide the money into half and I'll give the 300k to my dad.
*Have a cigar dad, you can retire now.

[liwei_jay]

guys..
i juz got a petition signing online from some1..
i was wondering if anyone interested in signing?? :rolleyes:
i've sign mine.. :whistle:

[sleepin'tom]

stop signing the petition... The CEO and board of NKF has stepped down reported on channel newsasia. Right before the NKF show. Nice timing eh? :rolleyes:

[macdawn]

Well, they have to do some real damage control before they get more than just graffiti on their headquarter's walls..... the s*** really hit the fan this time.

And I heard they are going to suspend fund raising for the time being. For how long I don't know, but at least for now, they are going to get out of our way.... hurray!

-MacDawn

[moku]

Can u imagine how's those artist's feel? For the past few years, they put in hard work, even risk their life for the show, all for what? Jus to let those who really needs the money to benefit from it. We, in turn, who really wants to help them, we donate. And this is how they use the money??? Is this fair to the artists???

Trust is bery fragile, like glass. Once broken, even when you try to glue back the pieces, it will still have cracks, it will never be like before again. Though they now trying to fix the damage, but I think it will be bery hard to gain back the trust from the public. Unless the current ceo step down. Unless next time they show in black and white clearly where the funds go to. Or I will only donate blood. Unless they will misuse the blood too??? Lol, If that time really comes, I really got nothing to say then!!! :)

[liwei_jay]

good ...
at least some action has been taken and tat we know we're not feeding those
BLoooD suckerz!!!
hah... yesterday saw tat they got a live news or sth on the NKF...
but didn't bother to see.. :rolleyes:
welll at least now we can rest our pockets for some time.. :dry:

[zhoudaoyan]

OMG so glad someone started this thread!
I Totally agree.
Although it's good if Jay is performing in one! which he hasnt. for long. coz he's too busy hehe. but yeah. although its great to watch artistes perform and blah blah blah.. it's getting pretty tiring. because it's always the same thing huh. and why do they need so many anyway!. they are putting up more and more.!. everytime im in singapore there's always NKF and presidents challenge or something that needs people to donate. and the donation options are always getting higher and higher.
they used to be like.1$ for the first call right? and now the minimum is already 5$ or even 8$!!. and the highest being 50$... or even 80! as i once saw
i don't really believe that the government is that poor to want so much money from the singaporeans... i dont know lah.
it's just kinda annoying.

[friends_pt]

Frankly speaking, having so many charity is really tiring but the fact that they are really needy singaporeans with all these illness who do need our help. i do agree that there are way too many fund raising shows but it's just an annual thing but the number of patients are increasing monthly or maybe weekly. that is why there's so many charity shows. we should still continue to support the charity organisation and not let those people(you know who they are) who have to fly first class flights while celeb only fly in business flight ruin the fact that there are still patients who need help.

[JerrYDuDeJay]

Hey, they already have a few hundred millions reserve..Even if they stop for 5 years they will still have enough money to help the needy..

[snowflake]

Maybe all one can do is to just make one or two calls for the charity fund shows. No one says you must donate every time there is a fund raising show. Just donate if you feel like it. Contribute if one can to help the needy.

Personally I don’t like watching the funding raising shows as I felt that they are pressuring you to donate and by showing how “needy” the patients are. This I feel is alike to emotion blackmail for me. They are like saying: “look how poor things they are so you should donate”. Instead of doing it this way why not show how happy they are with the financial help and how they can live a normal life with the help they received from the public.

Despite saying all these, my support is still with the patients. I sincerely hope they will not suffer because of what had happened recently.

[spax]

*Sigh* I never really supported NKF. Think that they have so much donations already and I also suspected why they need so much money. Now everything is clear. That Mr TT Durai is indeed cheating us!!!

However, at the same time, we must make sure that the patients will not be affected by this incident. We must put these patients at the top priority.

[diazz]

Sighz.. Sad that we live in a society like that isnt it? I can guess that the money for most charitable organisations goes somewhere else other than to the people that require these financial help. Furthermore these are the people's hard earn money. It's irritating to hear someone say that "it's peanuts". =p Just dont get it.

[DragonPrince]

I am so tire of those charity shows. I don't watch them for many years. Ever since I watch the second show when I was a kid, I swear not to watch it again.

I hate to see stars suffering in the shows. Its so disturbing. After the NKF scandel, I keep pestering my father not to donate to NKF anymore. He agreed only after he knows what really happened.

Thats so sad for the charity organisations. We tend to think that they are like NKF. There is no faith, there is no hope.