Most Hated Pop Group of the Month (Nov 06) - SHE vs KONE

[judes]

I thought we would try something different here at Anti-X. We're going to set two competitors against each other and have them fight for the title of most hated pop group.

So for this month we have sugary pop princesses, SHE:
with their horribly cheesy and overdramatic videos, along with corny lyrics and fake poses. they've been around for too long and are still making CDs that show zero creativity and ability besides being able to stand around and look pretty.

examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i02cOVU45A (....ok what? what are they trying to say with this video?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ggezUGJG8 (...oh melodrama. i clutch my heart and emo over all of you)

VERSUS

Taiwanese boy band KONE.
they're well known for being "good dancers" but their "leader" does not seem to capable of singing or dancing. he relies on his supposedly pretty face to get shows. the only two faces you need to recognize from this group are: gino and JR. the other people do not matter even though they also sing a lot of the songs. the show that they're famous for is called "top on the forbidden city", yes, you read that right, top ON the forbidden city, starring beside our favorite boy group member from 5566, sam.

examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM8V5VWe-us (cheesy cheesy cheesy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v9KCx3oOpw (this is a remake of one of 5566's videos, at least it feels like it. for a second i expected zax's face to dominant the screen with his big nostrils...except...OMG fast flashing closeup faces of members of KONE!!! too....much....AHHH *clutches eyes*)

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now VOTE VOTE VOTE and POST POST POST and tell us why you voted the way you did for the most hated pop group of november 06!

(thanks pei for your help in brainstorming)

[-vIt-]

Actually, this poll is really easy for me to choose. I quite like SHE (and I'm pretty sure most people here like/ neutral to SHE compared to KONE). I just don't understand why their company(jungiery) wants to make another boyband like 183, 5566 etc. Don't they know that they are hated? They know that they have no talent and supposedly only have the looks.

Since this is an Anti-X thread, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to defend/ say good things to help SHE. So basically, I like SHE better (they can sing, and have unique voices- they harmonise really good, that's why they're staying in the music industry) unlike a certain KONE.

You're right. The only people I know from KONE are Gino and JR. Now, what kind of name is that? Who are the other people anyway? They seemed to be left out. I don't know why I only know Gino and JR. They're not handsome, and I definately can't say that they stand out from the group because they're so talented. And I didn't watch that Top on the Forbidden City jungiery drama.
KONE is like the other 5566. They all like to act cool/ hot.
Can't stand them- (I did watch those youtube links though, disgusted by their "wonderful" dances and their oh-I'm-so-hot poses.

I wonder how much that MV would've cost.

[ziai]

Okay, I am just here to clarify stuff (again :oops:).

S.H.E is not from Jungiery Stars.

And Top on the Forbidden City is NOT a Jungiery drama either. Uhm, Basically Jungiery does not produce dramas. Top on the Forbidden City is a SETTV drama, and yea, they tend to use stars from Jungiery. But not all their dramas have the Jungiery stars though, Wei Xiao pasta for instance.

As for the pathetic english names of the shows.. What can I say? None of the taiwanese dramas have really good names (No offence) and their english standard just isnt that good.

I shall not comment on their singing skills since this is an Anti-X thread...

~ ziai

Edit-

Both k one and S.H.E are not from Jungiery.

Kone WAS from Jungiery, but for some reason that idk, they are now NOT part of Jungiery. Hahas. I am glad = ]

[-vIt-]

ziai- are you clarrifying this?
I just don't understand why their company(jungiery) wants to make another boyband like 183, 5566 etc.
I might've not made it clear, I didn't mean SHE's company is jungiery. I know that SHE is not from Jungiery, what I meant was KONE.
And thanks, I didn't know that Jungiery doesn't produce dramas

[ziai]

^ Oh okay, sorry, I misread that post. I thought your 'their' referred to S.H.E :oops:

[milkee_glitz]

Actually I like S.H.E.. I can't believe they're actually a nominee for the most hated group.. Although yea, sometimes their poses are really gross, their songs are really nice..

As for KOne, I don't like them..

[aina]

I have to agree with Judes saying that S.H.E doesn't show creativities on almost of their works, such as adopting songs from another artist and they never write their own songs, am i right?

But the cutest girl on earth, Hebe saved them all. If it's not because of her, i wouldn't be able to hear their songs. Can't stand the annoying-spoiled-little-girl's voice of Selena and the can't-rap-deep's voice of Ella.

Compared to KOne, S.H.E is much much better. Coz none of those boys neither their songs i like. even a bit :oops:
The name of the compay they belong to make me even more sick.
Enough with all those not-so-pretty boys with all those hideous outfits and worst performance ever.. :oops:

I vote for KOne...sorry

[*meow]

i don't think i should vote because i used to hate K One, then i loved them then i became neutral. as for SHE, i used to hate them too, then i was neutral. :oops: LOL. BUT. yes there's a reason why i am here.

i want to say that the way K One debuted was totally ridiculous, they openly challenged Energy, which was then's hottest dance boyband in Taiwan. i was like, HELLO! does the company have any brains? and most importantly, do they have any brains? like, saying that would make all the people who support Energy or just happened to like Energy more than them HATE them because they're so... brainless. and besides, their dance really isn't better than Energy's. seriously. even now that Energy's without top dancer Milk, K One still loses. too bad for them but that's the truth. and i don't even want to comment that their singing is just totally EEW. half the band can't sing, for goodness sake. they're like being put in K One to be vases. no, they can't even be vases because they're not good-looking. redeeming factors about them, though, is that JR is a brilliant actor, and Kido is really really nice and friendly in person.

as for SHE, the reason why i hated them in the past was that i felt they were just 3 act-cute girls who can't sing. well i changed my mind when i found that their songs aren't that easy after all. but their popularity is just ridiculous.

let me continue about K One. i think it's real sad for them to be in Jungiery. like, really really VERY sad. i feel sorry for them to be under that guy called Sun-Zong. maybe it isn't their fault they became like this. it has to be that fat old man. but then again. even if Energy disbands, K One still has no hope of taking Energy's place as the most "sha" band. sorry, K One but that's the truth.

i can't believe i had so many bad things to say about K One even though i went to their autograph session before and i don't really support energy now. :oops:

[zhy378]

despite knowin that Kone is all about dancing and not singing, i voted for S.H.E. (sowie to S.H.E fans)

i dont really hate both of them but if i have to pick right now, i say S.H.E. because i think their popularity (beside appearance-cuteness etc) in music-wise grew because they have good songs, but some of their songs arent even their original songs. like take a look at S.H.E.'s cd 'Super Star' some of their songs are originally from taiwan's first girl group 4 in Love. There's alot of coverage songs S.H.E. used western pop songs such as Backstreet Boys to Britney Spears, songs that were popular/up to standard of good pop music that are taken for S.H.E. to sing in chinese. so think of S.H.E's good hit songs, were some of them originals?

[cacky]

Hmmmmm, actually, I think the answer's pretty obvious although I totally HATE S.H.E. I mean, you're putting up a group who's been around for long and have been popular enough to hold their concerts as opposed to relatively new group with boys who can hardly sing and worse ... from Jungiery ...

I'd rather you start a topic thread just on Anti-S.H.E.

I'd be sure to contribute the most there. Hahhaha. Hate them to the core.

Just think Selina's full of crap ... looks sweet on the outside but when you watch her on some of the behind-the-scenes, she's so 三八, like some crazy woman shouting around.

Hebe ... I always think if she leaves S.H.E. and starts out on her own, she will drown with the rest. Nothing unique in her vocals, though I must admit she sounds the best amongst the three. Looks-wise, she doesn't even look half as good as Patty. Forget it.

Ella ... this one's a real attention-seeker.

No wonder she's in showbiz. What's the big deal about her. I mean ... she's just tomboyish and has some stupid men crazy over her.

I can go on and on, but I think I should reserve my thoughts should there ever be an Anti-S.H.E. forum.

[judes]

henry, that's all fine and dandy, but please read the rules of the forum. i'm leaving your post up as a warning and people who post off topic in this thread will have their posts deleted.

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continuing:
i put SHE against KONE because they both have lame sounding names and are quite similar in a way. KONE depends on their "dancing" instead of their musical ability to sell their CDs. SHE depends on their "looks" and "being cute" instead of their musical ability to sell their CDs.

i know there are lots of SHE fans on this forum, but as a kind of fun thing to do for november, i thought it would be interesting to see how many people dislike SHE and to try out the new system of voting in the worse pop group of the month.

so vote and post and tell us why you dislike _______.
but follow the rules please!

-your friendly moderator

[lin dan]

i suggest 183 club vs. 5566....hehe....will be much more interesting!!K ONE vs. S.H.E quite easy to choose actually...i don't really know K ONE as they're not really popular...so i voted them!!as for S.H.E....they shouldn't be in that poll...they're nice and cute!!

[klarence]

i personally really like SHE, and think that they do have great vocal ability in addition to their looks and personality :) I don't really like K ONe as much.. they don't really have any good songs, nor can they sing.

[c_c_]

never heard of KONE, but I like SHE - their lyrics may be corny, but their songs are catchy (I adore Superstar), they're pretty, and they have nice voices. I suppose the fact that KONE hasn't quite made it to America is good proof that they're not that hot. Us in the US are rather detached from the pop culture world of Asia and only the best make the terrible journey here (like Jay!) SHE is not the most popular, but they're fairly well known. KONE, I have NEVER heard of, not even among my best-informed friends, so I'm assuming that they're not that hot.
I like this thread idea, it's nouveau and innovative.

[dazzlette]

Well, I actually like SHE. :oops: And I'm actually more neutral towards K One. So I guess you could say I hate K One in comparison to SHE. In general I don't like all the Jungiery stars, cos they are all pretty talentless AND not even cute...

I used to think that SHE a really dumb name and that their songs are really bad and cheesy. No doubt some songs are still cheesy, but they have a couple of good songs that make up for it. And I think they can actually harmonize and sing. I don't really like Selina, but I think Hebe and Ella are ok. ( I think Hebe is very pretty and her personality is so different) Plus, Ella can actually act quite decently compared to most young Taiwanese actresses. Personally I think that the Taiwan entertainment industry would be quite dull without them.

haha in a way the existence of groups talentless groups like 5566 make Taiwan interesting, cos everyone loves to hate them... :tongue:

[.huifen.]

No offence to all fans. :[

But I really don't like KONE (I dont hate them, I dont hate anyone or anything). They're just a bunch of kids (yes, kids) stepping into showbiz without even showing that they can really sing or dance or do anything. They can't sing! Their songs are really bad, so bad that you'll just want to switch off the radio once you hear them. Their dance (in their MVs I've seen on MTV) is really bad. They can't dance for crap! Maybe they can act, but I'm not interested in watching them act.

S.H.E is alright to me. I like Hebe, she's sooooo hard to hate. Ella's alright. But I don't like Selina at times. Hebe and Ella are really natural. I like Ella's hyperactive and Hebe's characters. On the other hand, Selina is totally fake! She can sing a breakup song while smiling! She can't act, her fake smiles from all the photoshoots kind of irritates me. So, I guess S.H.E's alright to me except Selina.

I voted for KONE anyway. They just seem the scream "please-hate-us".

[petricia]

There is no struggle at all.... I chose KOne. Though SHE can really get irritating and noisy at times, at least they provide good entertainment for me. Their songs are wonderfully packaged (for me at least) and their tv appearances always makes me laugh. I get revitalised after a day of work.

KOne, on the other hand, just give me a feel of the shadow of 5566. To me, they don't really have anything distinctive as a group, maybe their lameness at times... (Though SHE are like that too, at least they don't get on my nerves...) They are also supposed to be excellent in dancing, which i really dun find them good.

So.... KOne gets a vote from me.

[beyOnd aLL reasOn]

The avid SHE fan that I am, I voted for KONE.
Actually, I voted "Who the hell are these people?", but that's because I have no motor skills whatsoever.

SHE isn't exactly my favoritestestestest band in the world, and they definitely possess no innovation whatsoever, but at least some of their songs are somewhat catchy. And their vocals are fairly decent.

Whereas Kone....x_x Just kill me.

[spongebob]

I like K One but I think because they were over shadowed by 183 and 5566 people thought they were just plain annoying. I don't really like JR that much from K One... for correction, they are not in J STARS.

I voted SHE because I hate them with passion. gosh thet HEBE! Does she eat? Does her parents feed her?

[fatarli]

even though im not very into SHE music i still think http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ggezUGJG8 ---> that mv wasnt that bad...
the dresses were nice in it too...especially hebes =o

not as emo as u say it to be -_-

[judes]

i voted SHE.
because i find KONE mildly entertaining even in their lame show.
they're so bad they border on good.
i just collapse into fits of hysteria when i watch their MVs / see them on TV / perform, etc.

every time i look at SHE i think they're just...very plastic.
i don't mind their music, it's nice background drone, but i can't help think they're robots. it's vaguely creepy.

[EricOng]

I am a huge fan of S.H.E.
They were the one to brought me into this chinese music entertainment circle.
They were the one to introduce me to Jay Chou too.
Reasons why I was attracted to them:
They have a strong personality, unlike most artist do.
They don't act cute, they were very natural and moreover they don't just being very obedient in front of the camera.
Their songs were pretty good and catchy. I just don't get why you guys have prejudice towards artist that has a cover songs.
Anyways, I voted KOne.
So for this month we have sugary pop princesses, SHE:
with their horribly cheesy and overdramatic videos, along with corny lyrics and fake poses. they've been around for too long and are still making CDs that show zero creativity and ability besides being able to stand around and look pretty.
How do you define a not horribly cheesy and not-over-dramatic videos, along with good lyrics and natural poses then? Not debating. I just wanna know.

And yeah, they have been in the entertainment circle for five years now and their popularity ain't fading but escalating. I still wanna know what do you mean by zero creativity and ability besides being able to stand around and look pretty? Can you quote some examples?

[sushii]

hmmm.i was wondering if anyone out there doesn't like s.h.e (besides some twins fans) but i voted for k-one..cuase i think s.h.e can really sing and i like them way better than k-one

[judes]

How do you define a not horribly cheesy and not-over-dramatic videos, along with good lyrics and natural poses then? Not debating. I just wanna know.

one where they're not just standing around looking vaguely dazed and confused or looking into the camera singing. i find most pop videos horribly cheesy and not over dramatic because they try to tell a lame story in a short period of time. SHE just has an overload of videos like that.

they have been in the entertainment circle for five years now and their popularity ain't fading but escalating.

just because something is popular doesn't make it good.
they have an ability to keep in the spotlight, but they've put out how many albums in the past five years? eight? how could you have good quality for your music if you're constantly churning out albums like a machine? except it's obvious what's keeping them around...probably isn't because of their amazing musical talent.

I still wanna know what do you mean by zero creativity and ability besides being able to stand around and look pretty? Can you quote some examples?

let's see. do they write their own lyrics? compose their own music? do they play instruments? do they have any remote dancing ability? do they choreograph any of their concerts? do they direct their MVs? no. no. no. their songs are mediocre versions of the same old stuff or they're covers of songs or they actually take rifts from mozart's symphony, which irritates me because it takes them to a further level of annoyance.

every time they are on entertainment shows i find them so boring because they don't really say anything worthwhile. they just kind of stand around waiting for directions or smile sweetly. when they talk, nothing comes out. there really isn't anything to distinguish hebe from selena from ella besides their looks, and sometimes i can't even tell hebe from selena in certain pictures. they're mediocre actresses, as evident in the rose and that...shooting stars or reach for the stars.

i'm quite indifferent to SHE. i have their encore karaoke dvd that is fun sometimes, but i got it for free because i wouldn't pay money for their albums or their dramas. i think they're very pretty, they're extremely cute, but bland. at least KONE gives me tons of things to make fun of.

[JAYCHOU]

I used to dislike KONE. But I have to admit, their 2nd release was pretty good. As for S.H.E, I totally love them!

As for writing songs, they want to write songs but their company treats them as a momey machine and rather want them to make money other ways than write songs. Though, they've written a song for their Forever album but wasn't suited for the album and the rap verse in their 3rd album was written by Hebe.
Hebe and Ella's dancing maybe bit off but Selina is a pretty remote dancer. She was a dancer before S.H.E.

[EricOng]

one where they're not just standing around looking vaguely dazed and confused or looking into the camera singing. i find most pop videos horribly cheesy and not over dramatic because they try to tell a lame story in a short period of time. SHE just has an overload of videos like that.

What I think the most important should be the quality of their songs rather than the quality of the MV itself.


just because something is popular doesn't make it good.
they have an ability to keep in the spotlight, but they've put out how many albums in the past five years? eight? how could you have good quality for your music if you're constantly churning out albums like a machine? except it's obvious what's keeping them around...probably isn't because of their amazing musical talent.

I think you are pretty wrong. They started to release an album a year now, like Jay did. Their Encore and the Once Upon A Time album gap is a year. And their Once Upon A Time album and their Forever compilation album is 10 months but they did not release any album this year besides Forever.



let's see. do they write their own lyrics? compose their own music? do they play instruments? do they have any remote dancing ability? do they choreograph any of their concerts? do they direct their MVs? no. no. no. their songs are mediocre versions of the same old stuff or they're covers of songs or they actually take rifts from mozart's symphony, which irritates me because it takes them to a further level of annoyance.

1- As what like JAYCHOU said, yes, Hebe tried to write their own lyrics for their latest hit Chu Dian composed by Jay himself but unfortunately rejected. Selina wrote the english lyrics for the song Xing Xing Zhi Huo at the end of the song.
2- They did composed their own song and was bought by some other artist, the song name is Tian Mi.
3- They do play instruments, for your information, Ella and Hebe plays a drum in their world tour concert. Hebe knows how to play a piano and she was also filmed playing the piano in the Wo Men Zen Me Le MV. In addition, Hebe knows how to plays a flute too. You can see it in the older variety shows.

From what I have observed, you seem to compare S.H.E between Jay which I doubt MOST artist could not do so.


every time they are on entertainment shows i find them so boring because they don't really say anything worthwhile. they just kind of stand around waiting for directions or smile sweetly. when they talk, nothing comes out. there really isn't anything to distinguish hebe from selena from ella besides their looks, and sometimes i can't even tell hebe from selena in certain pictures. they're mediocre actresses, as evident in the rose and that...shooting stars or reach for the stars.

That is what YOU think. Most audience were delighted that S.H.E were invited to the variety shows where I myself doesn't understand chinese enjoys.
And by the way, Ella was being nominated for the Golden Bell Awards (Jing Zhong Jiang) for her role in Reaching For The Stars.
Zhang Fei has once also praised that Ella's acting skill was the best among 4 artist which is Rainnie, Yi Chen and Cyndi.

[beyOnd aLL reasOn]

Er guys. This is the Anti-X forum.
Yay BASHING, kay? =].

KOne is bad bordering on good.
But that's only satisfying for a short while.

[milkified]

^ You're right.

Read the guidelines (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20481), people. If you don't like it, don't read it. :rolleyes:

[aznstyle]

KONE is a disgrace!
and why is she in the list!?
the music is good , and hebe is in it

[EricOng]

^ You're right.
Read the guidelines (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20481), people. If you don't like it, don't read it. :rolleyes:

I didn't say I don't like it.
Just correcting judes for some mistakes he/she made. :rolleyes:
But judging from the poll above, I guess the results are pretty obvious.

[.huifen.]

This is The anti-X forum, EricOng! :D
It's all about bashing and discriminating and no protecting.

Everyone has their views.
Be open-minded! :]

[happifruit]

I've just never liked SHE. Sure, they have an interesting blend of harmonies that is better than a lot of other female groups, but honestly, I can't stand the sugary pop that they continually churn out...too much sugar leads to a stomachache and then cavities.

Oh my god I remember when one of my friends made us watch their "I Love You" video. That was the longest 10 minutes of my life. I think altogether they only really sang for like 2 minutes, the rest were just pseudo-melodrama and a lot of useless talk. It felt like they were trying to do what Lee Soo Young likes to do with her videos by telling a heart-wrenching story, but they did it in the worst possible way. First off, too much talking. If you want to tell a story in an MV let the story tell itself...no one likes commentaries. Second, cheesy cheesy CHEESY!! The characters sucked too...the funnest part about watching that video was the continuous bashing and commentating that myself and two other friends kept up throughout the 10 minutes.

As for K-one...I think I've only heard part of one song in an MV, and that was so unremarkable that I can't even remember what the MV was like. I hate these groups that Taiwanese music companies are shoving at us...183 Club and 5566 and crap groups like that that have horrendous and totally unremarkable songs that follow the same formula.

I voted the last choice. Why are they still here?

[ziai]

This is The anti-X forum, EricOng! :D
It's all about bashing and discriminating and no protecting.
Everyone has their views.
Be open-minded! :]

Actually, 'protecting' is allowed.

5) You may leap to your favourite ______'s defense, but your post is going to be judged more critically, and all fangirly type of posts may be deleted.

Anyway, I voted S.H.E. Dont get me wrong, I like them too, I think some of their songs are really nice, but k one entertains me much more. They make me laugh with their hosting gigs and all. Whereas for S.H.E, I am never really amused by them, and I think their MVs aint very original. Oh well.

It's only my opinion = ]

[judes]

What I think the most important should be the quality of their songs rather than the quality of the MV itself.

when you're an artist, you're going to be judged on all levels, whether you have a good song or a good MV, because that's very prevalent in the taiwanese music industry. when you have crappy songs coupled with even crappier MVs, my respect level for you goes down. that's what i feel with SHE.

I think you are pretty wrong. They started to release an album a year now, like Jay did. Their Encore and the Once Upon A Time album gap is a year. And their Once Upon A Time album and their Forever compilation album is 10 months but they did not release any album this year besides Forever.

i never said they released one album per year. i said they have released many albums in a short period of time. so no, i am not wrong. i think their span between albums is WAY too short to put forth a productive album. i don't think jay's music is anywhere near as good as it used to be, so i don't really support SHE for doing that either.

1- As what like JAYCHOU said, yes, Hebe tried to write their own lyrics for their latest hit Chu Dian composed by Jay himself but unfortunately rejected. Selina wrote the english lyrics for the song Xing Xing Zhi Huo at the end of the song.

"tried" being the keyword. selina wrote a little snippet of lyrics for a song. this just proves my point. i like artists who write their own lyrics or compose or do SOMETHING to show that they contribute to each song so they're not just being handed some song to sing.

2- They did composed their own song and was bought by some other artist, the song name is Tian Mi.

one song. still proves my point.

3- They do play instruments, for your information, Ella and Hebe plays a drum in their world tour concert. Hebe knows how to play a piano and she was also filmed playing the piano in the Wo Men Zen Me Le MV. In addition, Hebe knows how to plays a flute too. You can see it in the older variety shows.

i don't care if they play instruments. you're completely missing the point i'm putting across. do they play instruments that CONTRIBUTE to their albums? do they play instruments for almost each and every single song in their concert? i can understand if they need to play the instrumental in the background when it's a dance number, but i don't see their names being credited as musicians in the CD booklet. so you can tell me they play instruments all you want, but they still don't contribute that much to the production of their songs.

From what I have observed, you seem to compare S.H.E between Jay which I doubt MOST artist could not do so.

no actually, i do not. i did not say once that i compare SHE to jay. i'm comparing SHE to artists i actually like and respect, such as wu bai or mayday or sigur ros or radiohead. they play their own instruments, write their own lyrics for much of their work, sometimes direct their own MVs that turn out ok. i just have no patience for groups that are thrown together and then marketed relentlessly with very little musical ability other than "they can sing".

That is what YOU think. Most audience were delighted that S.H.E were invited to the variety shows where I myself doesn't understand chinese enjoys.
And by the way, Ella was being nominated for the Golden Bell Awards (Jing Zhong Jiang) for her role in Reaching For The Stars. Zhang Fei has once also praised that Ella's acting skill was the best among 4 artist which is Rainnie, Yi Chen and Cyndi.

oh YAWN. this is all about what i think, ericong, not about what you think or what you disagree with. that's the best thing about actually having opinions and being able to know that i dislike an artist. if i sit there and don't enjoy what i'm watching on TV, i turn it to another channel. i don't sit there thinking "OOOH this actress won SOO many awards. i HAVE to watch this even though i think it's completely boring."

and who is this "most audience" you talk about? you as one person cannot speak for "most" audiences. did you go to taiwan and survey everyone? did you take a poll? no. so stop labelling your comments as all inclusive and admit that it's just your own opinions and that i can say whatever i want in return about SHE including my obivious dislike of them.

so she was nominated for one award. ok? and so some guy said that she is so talented amongst the four...let's focus on the next word here...artists. four artists. not 'actresses'. those four are the teenage pop princesses of the taiwanese entertainment industry. they're also the most well known for dramas that are not...that brilliant and don't really require much to act in. you don't see them undertaking any roles that require skills that will raise them up to the level of being actual actresses. so winning that "competition" is like winning a hot dog eating contest. so what?

so unless you have something other to say than "OH SHE IS AWESOME AND YOU'RE JUST WRONG" go back to the SHE thread to slather more praises on them. you're certainly not going to change my mind because all of what you said proved my point or will only be relevent to a fangirl.

and SHE will win this poll, but once again, so what? they're pitted against KONE for gods sake, which is one of the lamest mass produced bands on the level of club 183 and 5566. it's not much of an achievement. so yay be happy, "your" group beat out the lowest of the low in a hot dog eating contest.

[JAYCHOU]

Everyone has their point of view.. and it's the entertainment industry, so let it be. But I think some of you guys are taking it to the extreme, EricOng is just "protecting" his beloved S.H.E. How would you feel if someone is bashing your FAVORITE artist like that. Just because you can scold anyone here doesn't mean people can't protect their favorite artist.

[judes]

i cannot "scold" anyone here. i did not even talk to him as a moderator but as someone with my own opinions. i don't understand how he himself is not taking it to the extreme. i can't stand it when someone praises a person or group that i believe has no talent, and that's along the same line of insulting his favorite artist. both points of view, both perspectives. just because someone absolutely loves and adores a certain group doesn't mean i don't have the right to dislike and criticize that group. it's stated very clearly in the guidelines to this forum. if you don't like it, don't read it. if you want to fangirl, then you better be able to stand up to the opposite, which is negative opinion.

i doubt you would care if the thread wasn't against your beloved SHE, as i remember your name from the SHE petition thread a while back.

people are going to like and dislike things that you love, and that's life. if you can't even take an internet stranger criticizing your favourite artist, then you are going to have problems dealing with people when it comes to actual debates. there are plenty of people who hate the bands i love, and you know what? it's their right to say it and i like to hear about why they don't like the songs. when you try to stop ideas from flowing in an opposing manner that is ridiculous. only praise and no criticism? then we would never get anywhere.

[Rekki]

S.H.E still hasn't found out what works for them, especially in their music videos.

They have potential in that they are beautiful in their own way, and that each girl can pull off some pretty couture style. Take Ella, if she styled her hair a bit more, rather than having it in the same boring style, she wouldn't be called a man so much. (Think the Remember video and during their Back to Taiwan concert in 2004 for good hairstyles she had). Also, Selina is too average beauty. Her new look is better than the one she had (she has shorter hair now), but she seems so plain now. Hebe, I have no problem with her, actually, she is very quiet, and perhaps she and Selina should switch their "roles."

[cacky]

judes, actually, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother explaining to these people and just delete the posts that are irrelevant to this thread ie. Those that are defending either S.H.E or K-One. These posts DO NOT BELONG HERE! They just have to read the rules, period.

I am sick and tired of pointing out to these people who keep defending.

[Ginuwine]

That is what YOU think. Most audience were delighted that S.H.E were invited to the variety shows where I myself doesn't understand chinese enjoys.
And by the way, Ella was being nominated for the Golden Bell Awards (Jing Zhong Jiang) for her role in Reaching For The Stars.
Zhang Fei has once also praised that Ella's acting skill was the best among 4 artist which is Rainnie, Yi Chen and Cyndi.

Wasn't Reaching for the stars a movie directed in two days and was a low budget flim? i'm not hating just asking, i kinda like S.H.E they do have some good songs, but if they slowed down their albums and do a album per year, their it would a higher standard atleast. And for K One i don't even know who are they but hearing their name makes me hate, if they are another 183 Club or 5566.

[EricOng]

judes, actually, if I were you, I wouldn't even bother explaining to these people and just delete the posts that are irrelevant to this thread ie. Those that are defending either S.H.E or K-One. These posts DO NOT BELONG HERE! They just have to read the rules, period.

I am sick and tired of pointing out to these people who keep defending.

I believe we have the right to post it there.
And if you have read the rules correctly, it is also stated that defending is allowed.
If you are sick and tired of pointing out to these people who keep defending you might as well go else where.
Moreover, you do not have to point out.


Wasn't Reaching for the stars a movie directed in two days and was a low budget flim? i'm not hating just asking, i kinda like S.H.E they do have some good songs, but if they slowed down their albums and do a album per year, their it would a higher standard atleast. And for K One i don't even know who are they but hearing their name makes me hate, if they are another 183 Club or 5566.

Reaching To The Stars is not a movie but a idol drama.
Most and almost all dramas in Taiwan are low budget.
And yeah, S.H.E slowed their album to an-album-a-year basis ever since Encore in the year 2004.

[lattae]

Okay, I know judes is not speaking as a mod etc. Let's just say I am coming from another entry point and what I am about to say is in my capacity of A MODERATOR:

Yes the guideline says that you can "jump" to their defense, but unless users are making a statement that is "grossly" untrue, there is no need to jump into the picture to right the wrong with every other post. This is the entertainment circle we are dealing with, there is no truth, only "perception". Any person out there is entitled to their view on how things "appear" to them. Now, unless the view is grossly inaccurate or defamatory, there just ain't a big issue about it.

On top of that, let us STAY ON TOPIC. The topic really is which of the two, SHE or KONE, should be more hated. Not debate whether SHE should be hated. We should be focussing on how one group "outshines" the other in being a nuisance...

The bottom line is, this is the Anti-X. Members are allowed to dish out judgement based on how they perceive celebritys/movies/etc. It's something we don't quite allow for in the other forums. Hence if flaming of celebrities occur here, I say let it be.

It's gonna be crazy if we allow the fans and the anti-celebs to declare war one each othere here. There is no need to anyway. If you want a fan-thread, go to the celebrities forum, this place is not for you. This place is for the gathering of like-minded anti-X folks.

[judes]

to address this issue, the rules have been changed slightly so we're not arguing over silliness like "why is this artist in here" or "i LOVE apples how can you possibly dislike them as a delicious fruit?!?!?"

read the guidelines (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20481), follow and proceed. anything that does not follow the rules will be deleted and/or you will be given a warning.

[ColaPoP]

Oh god, this debate hurts. I've youtubed both bands and both are so corny.

I don't hate SHE as much as I hate KONE. SHE is over commercialised and just so friggin' cute... yet I'm surprised KONE has even taken off. I didn't know of them before now so it was funny when I googled "kone taiwan band" and JCnet's own beloved/despised topic actually came up:

Most Hated Pop Group of the Month (Nov 06) - SHE vs KONE - Jay ...
Taiwanese boy band KONE. they're well known for being "good dancers" but their "leader" does not seem to capable of singing or dancing. he relies on his ...
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Band Name
I see Kone & I think 'cone'. The cone band. Like, the coneheads. Can anyone clarify what K-one is suppose to stand for? SHE's band name is stupid too, like those Cone-ers. Yes, I know what it stands for... but 'SHE' is still a stupid band name. What will they have next... a male band called MEN?

Nasty Outfits

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/b/b9/180px-She4.jpg http://www.livetaiwan.jp/news/newsc/img/b260519501.jpg

vs.

http://www.avex.com.tw/K_ONE/images/AVCCD90035V_200150.jpg http://www.avex.com.tw/K_ONE/images/03.jpg

Stupid Poses

http://big5.chinabroadcast.cn/gate/big5/gb.chinabroadcast.cn/mmsource/images/2006/09/29/ea060929053.jpg
vs.
http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/27/0000175727/10/img849834cbmb6w7e.jpeg

Conclusion: Both are bad, but Kone get's the cake.
Unless of course, they were up against 5566 (all time favourite hate hate hate!)

[Sweet Neko]

Although I like both groups, I choose to hate S.H.E. over K-one. Don't get me wrong, I like both groups but I would choose SHE over K-one anyway. I like the Jungiery Stars (Although K-one has now left J-stars for some reason) And I like Ella (espiecially because of the much anticipated drama Hana Kimi) But I can't stand SHE that much because of their...

1) acting
2) cuteness (from Hebe)
3) singing
4) commercialisation (colonisation) in every corner

Maybe the reason why I don't like SHE is Hebe ><.

To me, whenver somebody mentions Hebe I think of Rainie (MY ALL TIME HATE). Ella does have this good deep voice that i like though. But I dont like most of their songs which are fast because they sound really bad there. Selina... I like her because she's like the "mature" one of the gorup but with the really high and annoying voice... nah.

K-one... I watch Wan Quan Yu Le and the Dare show hosted by Jr and Shao-wei alot... But really, the two faces that you would recognise the most is the leader Gino and JR

[smarks]

Just a passerby here, though I must say, it's a tough fight between these two remarkably mediocre bands. Oh wait, I mean, pop groups. I'm always amused by how someone is able to fight tooth and nail to defend their idols. You should totally get a commission from that, dude. The point is, the anti-x forum, however discriminating and ugly, serves as a source of entertainment and venting. If you're hardly venting or entertained, I'd hardly recommend you to come here. :)

[cute_git]

omg this thread is sooo in line with my life! hahaha.. my friend is now listening to kone and SHE and she suggests that i listen to them too cos they arent as bad as we thought they were.. but i still dont like both of them! haha... i voted for kone though cos i dont even know why some people want them -_- they arent good looking, they cant sing, act and dance. at least with SHE, they can pass of as pretty and they are friends of jay haha XD

[babyxv]

I like the SHE members' personalities. and at least they have personalities; I can't say the same for K-One

[bigjayfan]

Personally I'm quite a fan of S.H.E myself... But I do agree that some of their songs a little cheesy. I don't really like their record label and the control that they have over them. I feel that if S.H.E were given the opportunity to write their own songs etc. they will pull it off quite well. I feel that they have the vocal ability too, it's just the selection of songs. There are some really nice songs and MVs (the Encore ones are quite good) by S.H.E, of which my favourites are coincidentally those written by Jay Chou & Vincent Fang.

As for KONE, I have never heard their songs before. But after watching the two links you gave above, I'm starting to hate them :D. So yeah my vote goes to them.

[EricOng]

Can't wait which artiste is going to be be featured this month.

[karyn531]

If only I hadn't been late. I would have voted - K One.

Some songs S.H.E. sings are really nice in my opinion. Oh, I am the kind who do not really bother who writes the song, who directed the MV, (I'm an mp3 fan so sometimes I do not even watch the MVs) etc etc as long as the song sounds nice. Unless if it sounds SO nice that I'll replay it the whole night for many nights... then I'll hit the Internet and find out.

Also, I thought Reaching for the stars was actually watchable. It isn't that bad... at least they are not standing there posing and leave the acting for other people alongside them to do.

However, some songs in the Forever album are not original. They are 'imitations'. And I don't like that. Also, S.H.E. releases an album a year only starting 2004. That is only 2 years ago, and in the music industry, 2 years is nothing... I also don't like their advertisements. Especially that big poster of Selina promoting Reaching For The Stars where she sits on a crescent moon in a pink dress.

Back to topic. When I read KOne, I also pronounced it as 'cone' in my mind. Actually ... who exactly are those guys? They don't make much of an impression on me. I saw them on tv quite a few times and I always switch to another channel and switch back again just in case Jay would be aired there. Those guys... when they are here, you acknowledge them. When they're not, you're gonna forget them.

[sasa2005]

im a SHE's fan so of course i'll support SHE but i wont judge KOne cause i really dunno them except JR. I've listen to their first album and didnt find any catchy/nice song, anway what are the other members doing ?? i only know JR host WQYL sometimes.

[dreamy_amy]

hu on earth is K One?lolx,no wonder they're voted as da most hated pop group.i nvr heard of K One in my entire life~geez~

for sum reason im kinda like anti SHE.yeah they can't sing [da oni thing dat make sense 2 me dat they can sing is they can hit super high tones,which sounds abit anoyyin at times.n it's awiz Hebe's hu singin all dat high tones.so da others is for display purpose?]they awiz adapt ppl's song n make em their own.i almost fainted when i found their song 'bu xiang chang da' so sum crap like dat won song of da yr.so speechless~~n i almost fainted when i found Hebe in Jay's tui hou mv.i tink i will reali faint for real when Jay starts datin Hebe XD

[bingcherry]

i hate all the members of SHE. too ditzy and too boyish and that one who's too quiet. all of them piss me off. and none of them can sing.

[Singerchick]

I think S.H.E has a nice personality as a group, the only thing is I'm not very much into their music because they do such an abundance of remakes.

Nevertheless I still perfer them because I've never heard of Kone. I'm assuming they are just another boyband.

[jay_ella4ever]

welll... i'm just a passerby... and would like to share my one cents worth opinion...

K One is umm... how u would call like all j stars.... blah... i mean the only one from J stars is actually okay is cyndi.

most j stars can't sing... like 183.. don't know about 5566...

ummm... about SHE i don't wanna get into it... well cause i'm their diehard fan.. and if i start i think i'm gonna bitch....

but i need to get one thing outta my system...
judes i get wat ur saying about how they maybe watever because they don't produce their own music.. but not everyone is a music prodigy like jay or leehom or jj lin or wu bai or mayday etc....

[judes]

^ it doesn't matter if not everyone is talented like these people that you mentioned, because i believe if you're going to be a musician you should at least have some background in music. i don't understand why certain artists are recognized as "musicians" when they're obviously selling their "good looks" and entertaining abilities (ie 183 club) instead of their actual skills at singing.

there are plenty of musicians out there with the talent but perhaps not the flashy good looks, and i think those are the people who should be getting record contracts. so many good bands are out there not getting recognized because of filler groups that don't have that much substance. that's just my opinion.

[ask4more_jay]

sorry quick question..
didn't gino win some dance competition?
i thought he was REALLY good at dancing...?

[yunnie]

oh my goodness, i gotta speak up for SHE even though I don't have any liking for them... their winning factor is 'real'. They don't fake in front of the audience like some other stars. They say what they think is right. The market lacks this kinda of bands. Especially for girl bands, they don't last beyond 3 years but now SHE is running for 6 years. It is agreeable that their first few albums had a lot of renditions of English/ korean songs but they are getting better as they progress. Now their albums have almost none of 'copies'... take their 'bu xiang zhang da'.

[didiwang]

S.H.E sometimes irritating on tv.
Kone everything irritating on tv.

so i choose k one.

[Zhou Jie Lun]

of cos is KONE ... they cant sing .. ..............

[xbabydevilx]

Between Kone and SHE i will choose Kone .
Ya they can't really sing but they can dance.I will always support them as they are the 4rd boy band i like.When i was small.
For SHE is dislike selina and ella, as the are really "act" i can't stand them.
I only like hebe in SHE.
Just read down this thread some of you don't know Kone.
It can be tell cause they are really not popular now only JR and Gino still can be see on tv but not the rest...

[1000tears]

Lol this thread is old.

well ive always thought s.h.e's songs were pretty boring, and ive always thought of them just as a normal pop group. but recently ive watched some of their hosted shows, and theyre quite an entertaining trio. well, hebe is kind of quiet but other than that, i dont hate them.

and if the TS is still around, have you even watched top on the forbidden city? It was my favourite drama when I went back to Taiwan. Its a dancing drama, with a flavour of romance. It was actually pretty good. I like K-One's dance choreography, they do some really interesting things. but i havent heard about them lately. Their songs are average.