What Happens When Your Not Getting Treated Fairly?! Thread Being Closed For No Reason

[Sugar&Spice]

I have a problem, and I'm not sure where to post it. I think this is the right place. My threads in the debate forum keep on getting closed for no reason. I made a duplicate thread and it was closed. I understand that. But now the moderator for the debate forum has lately, due to a disagreement on one of the threads, has taken it upon herself to keep on closing myu thread. She said I had to re-phrase my question, but never gave me a chance to before closing the thread. Is it fair for the monitor to take feelings out of the debate thread, and continue to visit your threads just to close them?! AndIknow that any thread I try to make here after, will be closed aswell. So is it fair?! And are they allowed to use their power to just close threads due to a personal disagreement on a former thread?!

Can another Mod answer please?! I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm just asking for a serious, FAIR answer.

[orangeman]

I'm not a mod/admin/high-leveld person, but I'm gonna voice my thought.

I think acknowledging the problem would help. In my mind, mods shouldn't control what goes on in the forums, posting wise. They should maintain it, but not delete posts or close threads for no good reason.

There's the problem with mods: too much power. They're human, and hold grudges. So if someone they disliked posted something, well, the power is there to od something, good or bad. I know it's not the behavior in the "handbooks" or whatever, but it happens.

[yukiko]

it must be something wrong with your post. mods here wont close any topic for no reason. it's not about personal disagreement on former thread (in this case, it's you).
or maybe you post it not in the right subforum.

[Sugar&Spice]

it must be something wrong with your post. mods here wont close any topic for no reason. it's not about personal disagreement on former thread (in this case, it's you).
or maybe you post it not in the right subforum.

What do you mean that in this case it is me?! Can you explain that?!

Also if you read the latest thread I put up about Science vs Logic, that thread did not deserve to be closed, it was in the right froum. And if you read what was said, she said that she believed in science and that I needed to re-phrase my thread, but beofre I could do it, the thread was closed. So no that is not fair. And it is not a fault of mine. If an argument happened in a debate thread, it should stay there, not be carried out, into closing threads of the person whom you disagreed with. People are allowed to disagree with me, I don't mind that. But I don't like being treated un fairly.

I'm not a mod/admin/high-leveld person, but I'm gonna voice my thought.

I think acknowledging the problem would help. In my mind, mods shouldn't control what goes on in the forums, posting wise. They should maintain it, but not delete posts or close threads for no good reason.

There's the problem with mods: too much power. They're human, and hold grudges. So if someone they disliked posted something, well, the power is there to od something, good or bad. I know it's not the behavior in the "handbooks" or whatever, but it happens.

I agree with you. And I don't see it with all of the mods. Only this one particular mod. And lately another one has joined her, if anyone has seen the topic Science vs Logic you would know what I mean. People do tend to hold grudges, and that is not right.

It can get a little tricky, because if one mod is doing something unfair, her friends might back her up whether it be right or wrong. So I'm just trying to get another opinion from the other mods, as to what would be done when someone is abusing their power. Is there a rule against it?! Is it allowed?! It shouldn't be.

[yukiko]

yes, it's you. i means it's your forum being closed, isnt it? as you stated before?

I've always had this confliction whenever i talk about my views on obese and overweight people. I understand that this issue is quite sensitive in many ways but it doesn't mean we have to avoid the subject altogether, after all if we look around us, obesity is obviously a serious problem.
First of all, my personal view of overweight people is not exactly a positive one. They crush the crap out of you on public transport, take up two seats when they pay for the price of one, AND, have you ever seen a fat person NOT eating in public? I also see them as being weak in the aspect of self control, it's mental. Having said all this, i understand that in some cases its purely genetics and are illness related but iam sure many obese people out there are just eating themselves to death.
When i talk about disliking fat people, many people think that iam ignorant and inconsiderate. People are entitled to their own opinions, iam fine with that. they will also bring up the "anorexia" examples, which does link with body image and is a sensitive issue. However, how many people have died of anorexia/bulimia compared to those of heart failure and diabetes? There is no need for comparison...most of us live in the USA and Aus...we know that diabetes type 2 doubles every 15years due to being overweight and not eating well!
What has enraged me is the media's take on the issue, people seem to accept the fact that stick-thin is no longer attractive because it damaging to your health. but these days i see current affair programs interviewing obese and overweight people and giving them a chance to tell their story...fair enough, we live in democratic countries BUT the obviously unhealthy, 50kg overweight told her "sad" story of getting looks from people in public and not getting certain jobs...etc The media is taking the "be comfortable with who you are-even if if means not being able to walk for 5 mins" approach. Seriously, we don't have to go from one extreme to the other...
Celebrities who are fat and flaunt it...sure they are giving a "love yourself, don't go anorexic" message, but the result is "love yourself, die 4 times faster from obesity". I think we should watch how we are educating one another about weight these days, people will get the wrong idea, especially kids/adolescents.
If anyone has anything to say on this issue and shed some light onto my hopefully-not-too-narrow thoughts, then your welcome to go for it. BTW, i don't hate fat people, this is not an attack on fat people..just something that i always think about, so please don't get offended.

compare this to your post in mental sparing ring
I ran a serch and no one came up with this topic either, so I decided to post it.

When it comes to science vs logic, people have a different view. Logic is good for alot of different circumstances. And Science can be good for certain circumstances as well. But when it comes down to it, Science and Logic tend to clash. Science cannot find solutions to everything, and Logic tends to rule in my book. At imes it can be confusing as to wich one is better. But for me, Lgoic reigns surpreme. What do you think?! Which is better, Logic or Science?!

do you find the difference?

it's not just about the length of your post, but also the POINTS

[Sugar&Spice]

yes, it's you. i means it's your forum being closed, isnt it? as you stated before?



compare this to your post in mental sparing ring


do you find the difference?

it's not just about the length of your post, but also the POINTS

Well I can see what you are talking about. But I never had the time to re-phrase anything. She said re-phrase but did not allow me to do so because she closed the thread. Also there are threads that I have read, in the debtae site, that were not really clear on what the were saying, but they did not get their thread closed. Also my other thread, Mental or Physical abuse which is worse?! Was closed because she misunderstood my comments, got mad and closed it. That is an abuse of power.

I just wanted the other Mods to take a look at the situation. I'm not trying to pick at anyone, I just don't want to be harassed when I post a thread. I posted a thread up that had already been made. I understand that one being closed, but the other ones?! I don't think its a fair judgement. Thats why I put this thread on here. For the other mods to check it out.

[orangeman]

I'm not taking any sides, but the recent posts by mods directed to her are pretty biased.

Mods can have a reason to delete/close a post/reply, but is that reason legitimate? I've always wondered why some threads get closed, but deleted. I mean, why not just delete it? It's not saving space.


it's not about personal disagreement on former thread (in this case, it's you)

I find that biased and exactly the reason why she is here asking. Mods don't even leave a reason for deleting. At least tell the person why so it can be avoided.

[azianbimbo]

I have a problem, and I'm not sure where to post it. I think this is the right place. My threads in the debate forum keep on getting closed for no reason. I made a duplicate thread and it was closed. I understand that. But now the moderator for the debate forum has lately, due to a disagreement on one of the threads, has taken it upon herself to keep on closing myu thread. She said I had to re-phrase my question, but never gave me a chance to before closing the thread. Is it fair for the monitor to take feelings out of the debate thread, and continue to visit your threads just to close them?! AndIknow that any thread I try to make here after, will be closed aswell. So is it fair?! And are they allowed to use their power to just close threads due to a personal disagreement on a former thread?!
Can another Mod answer please?! I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm just asking for a serious, FAIR answer.
heys..~..i totally understand how you feel cus i recently had my thread closdd too..but it was because that i didnt type in readible english.hehe..:shy: ..i just got overexcited and yeh...its not the best feelin in the world but i understand why the mods do it..i did break the rules...i dont think they mods are really closing ur thread cus of some personaly reasons..theyre so busy doin everythin so i dont think they hab the time to close all of ur threads just cus of the argumetns..well thats wat i think..after all ..they are only trin to make sure jCnet runs smoothly...just dont take it to heart and still hab funs here yeh?.....:-)

ps....heaps of new ppls hab their threads closd right?.lik me....so dont think that one mod is specifically targettin u..

[cinnimon~]

which thread did it happen in? it may be the fault of both parties. just let us see the thread ok? there's no use by just telling us whats wrong, because we have to see it for ourselves. then we will be able to really tell who's in the wrong =)

[lattae]

Why don't you just say it as it is that it is Judes, the moderator of the debate forum who is apparently "picking" on you? Lets just say that the only reason that it's her who's doing the job is because she's the moderator there. I would have done the same. I don't think she meant a personal attack.

Really, there's only a small handful of us with a thousands of thread to moderate. Do you really reckon we will take time to track you down and close all your threads?

I sort of understand the situation cos the last time I closed some threads and "quoted" the mistake of a member, she thought I hated her. I didn't. I was just doing my job, and it wasn't personal.

Hey can I try put things in perspective :worry: (even if I am not a mod I'd say this). We sometimes go through phases of life when we are really interested it a certain thing and we get carried away. Sometimes we acquire certain "lingo", or get stuck on a posting style. During such "phases", we often keep making the same o' mistake in our posts and as a result they all get locked/cleaned up. It happens.

My advice is, when a massive moderation on your thread occurs, just chill. Breathe. Then just stop starting new threads for a short while. Go around and read and interact in existing good threads, then get warmed up to the rules again. When you are done with that, perhaps you can start new threads again.

Usually if a member starts more than a thread a day, the buzzer goes off for us mods, cos it takes one a lot of time to think up of a constructive thread. We'll go in and take a look at the contents to see if it matches up to the forum standards. Even veteran members average a thread a month max. You see what I am saying? When you don't spend time thinging up good contents, and just keep starting new threads, things get closed.


sugar&spice and orangeman moderating is not as simple as clicking the "delete" button. And it's not about saving space like what orangeman thinks. Sometimes we find it more appropriate to lock threads so that no one can "butt in" on a faulty thread, it's our way of stopping further discussion by other members. We use this function so that the thread stays where we can all see, so that you can use it as an "reference" when you start the new thread. Usually when we close thread with and advice to rephrase. You can choose to start a new thread with an improved first post and if it meets the requirement of a proper first post we won't touch it. We'll just go back to the old thread and delete it cos it has served its purpose for reference.


And can I add a final note to this. There is the rules, and we just go by the book to maintain sanity around here, keep things organised and fair... Mods just want to do our job, and we try to do it in as fair a manner as we possibly can. We don't have as much power as orangeman thinks. The internet as well as this forum is a "free" space for expression and the power is in the people who use it. Do you reckon any of the mods will want to crap up and risk the whole forum of members hating us? We have our reputation to keep, and there is really quite a bit at stake. We don't go around bullying people just for the fun of it. We do have pretty high moral standards as it is and I think we are mature enough to draw the line appropriately (which is why immature folks who think that they can get more power with the job will not be considered). If we are really a bunch of bullys, why are there still so many out there who as still surfing this forum?

okay, enough said.

[Sugar&Spice]

Okay Latte, we get what your saying. It makes sense, and will take it to heart before making another thread.

So it all good. All is right with the world again!!(Joke):D

I'm not taking any sides, but the recent posts by mods directed to her are pretty biased.

Mods can have a reason to delete/close a post/reply, but is that reason legitimate? I've always wondered why some threads get closed, but deleted. I mean, why not just delete it? It's not saving space.



I find that biased and exactly the reason why she is here asking. Mods don't even leave a reason for deleting. At least tell the person why so it can be avoided.

Thanks Orangeman!! Your support is always encouraging!! And you are right, it did seem biased. And since they are saying in this thread that my mis-spelt words, and points are off. Then what I will do is check and make sure that when posting a thread, these things are in place. If they still get deleted, or locked. Then there is a definate problem that needs to be addressed by the mods.

[judes]

Sugar&Spice, like i have said before in a lot of the threads i have closed and posts I have deleted, if you have a problem, take it to me and i will hear you out. i have reopened threads that i've closed and people whose threads i have closed have followed the rules.

i'm not here to be a big bad dictator and close all of your threads. it's not my job to close a thread even though i'm mad or offended. why don't you look at the threads that you've started in the mental sparring ring? and look how many of them are closed? i count about 9 or 10 of your threads in the forum and how many did i close? 3. so no, i am not out to get you.

there are some of your topics that i find pointless to debate, but i did not close them because there seems to be people interested in talking about it. if you really want, these are the reasons why i closed your threads:

science versus logic: it's already stated in my post that your original post was inconcise and unclear about what your intentions are in the debate. i told you to rephrase and edit your question, and i closed it because it means you can start a new thread with a better phrased question. nobody says you can't do that.

love at first sight: the love at first sight thread was a topic that was already started in the social lounge. so it's why it's closed, because it's not something you can really debate, only have some kind of vague opinion on, and since there was a thread elsewhere anyway, so it would be silly to have duplicate threads.

mental/physical abuse: this was closed because you don't seem to understand that people have a right to an opinion and that you cannot tell others what direction you want a debate to go. a debate does not always go your way, and when disagreements occur, you cannot take it upon yourself to police the sensibilities of others when no personal insult has been taken. and it was turning out to be a more "share your experiences" discussion rather than a formal debate. and with sensitive issues like mental/physical abuse, it's dangerous to continue the discussion down the road that it was taking.

and for some of these threads and some of your other threads, i won't mention names, but i HAVE received complaints about your behavior and other's behaviors in these threads. there have been warnings posted in your other threads, and when i have warned someone repeatedly about staying on topic and not to get too emotional or personal in their responses, it tends to make it easier for me to use the close function since i'm tired of having to repeat myself over and over again.

i mod two other forums on jcnet beside debate, but i AM the only mod in debate. i also have a relatively busy schedule at university, so like people have said in this thread: i don't have time to follow you around and delete/lock your threads as a personal vendetta.

and yes, i've said it many times before to you. spelling and grammar and presentation of your posts DO affect how other people judge you on this forum. when a mod is skimming through a thread, red lights go on when there are multiple exclaimation marks or question marks or spelling mistakes or grammar errors because people who type like that generally do not make much sense. lattae has mentioned that people who start multiple threads in a forum do get noticed because it's difficult to start a good thread especially in the debate forum that will encourage a good discussion.

if you're completely opposed to starting a new topic on the science/logic debate, PM me and i can reopen it for you to edit the original post. if not, then just start a new thread. everyone who starts a new thread should remember that it's important to follow the rules and have a descriptive first post that people can talk about.