Anti Jay "the sell out" Chou [read first post before jumping in]

[jayx8318x]

READ and UNDERSTAND the guidelines to the Anti-X forum (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20481) before you post in this thread. There are 1000s of Jay fan threads in this forum, this is NOT one of them. And you have no right to post if you are defending him.

You have been warned.



Yes this is the Anti Jay thread, and granted this is a Jay Chou forum, this thread really isn't to bash him per se, though you are welcome too, but for me, it's more of an outlet to express my frustration and disappointment in what he has become - a mainstream sell out!

When he first came out, it was ALL about the music, being revolutionary yadda yadda, now it's albout cell phones, clothes, even freaking toothpaste for crying out loud! And I truly believe Jay has some jacked up teeth, he has no reason to be selling toothpaste, review exhibit A:

Exhibit A
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/jayhottypants/0910-17.jpg


And selling clothes? Do Metersbonwe not see what Jay wears out in public? Is this really the image they want for their spokesperson? Review exhibit B! Really, look at it!

Exhibit B - No that's not some uncle on the left, it's JAY!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v58/jayhottypants/jaylookingqueer/jaygenghongxiaozhu2.jpg


And moreso than Jay irking me, it's his insane fans that get upset when someone remotely criticizes anything he does. They'd point their fingers at me saying "you're not a real fan!" whatever, I've bought every single one of his albums, dvds, movies, my bank account even took a hit when I went to one of his concerts, this forum itself is a testamenent to how much I adore (adored?) Jay. What makes me any less a Jay fan? Just because I have some criticisms about him which are undeniably warranted? :rolleyes: x100000000



This is not a debate. If you want to open up a rounded discussion where both sides can speak, please do so in the debate forum.


Again this isn't a hate to the max thread, just vent your frustrations...and if you do have some hate, then feel free to express that too, no one will hurt you.

[laruku]

Well...... It comes with the fame I suppose. though frankly i've never been much of a jay fan. since the-album-after-fantasy, i've thought all his songs well, rather similar.. and sometimes i roll my eyes at how his fans can never seem to tell.. and can always come tell me that THIS part is different.. SEE! it has a different note! argh!

this guy will and IS running out of steam. nobody can shoot to stardom without being blinded by it & quality of whatever he is doing droppin... only those who slowly climb their way up to ultimate popularity understand how hard is it to be up there and how hard it is to STAY up there.. i mean.. even though i equally don't like lee hom much.. he has come a LONG way and he knows how hard it is to stay there!

i respect those celebrities who have minimal of minimal gossip about them.. MINIMAL.. i believe theres no smoke without fire. and i've seen for myself how the media can sometimes protect the wrong guy...

jay has yet to prove to me that he deserves his title.. so does many other artistes.. his fame is logical but his music does not YET shows his status.

when the new songs were out & i began hearing people comment on how his songs are -finally- starting to sound similar.. & how they are disappointed in him etc etc... i sometimes can't help but think to myself.. "i told you so~ but you fangirls just didn't -want to- believe me & starts whacking my ass"

sadistically, this disappointing album is a cause of a mini-celebration in my mind...

and just as unfortunately, i sincerely believe that without vincent fang's lyrics, jay chou wouldn't be jay chou. he'd just be another random singer with a one hit wonder.

[jayx8318x]

Yes it does come with the territory, but it's one thing to endorse a few products you truly stand by, then just take whatever is thrown at you. There's just no sincerity in it. Pepsi, Tongi Noodles, Deerhui, Metersbonwe, Panasonic, Motorola, Colgate, M-Zone, Levi's, and the list goes on. I wouldn't be so annoyed by it if his true purpose - music - isn't suffering because he is obviously spreading himself too thin.

And then what boils me is how he comes out saying "it's always about the music to me, it's my passion, blah blah" hey even Ayumi Hamasaki admits to being commericialized, Jay can at least own up to a portion of it as well.

You know what Reene, I agree with you, I will be really happy if this album flops, maybe it'll make him realize he is NOT GOD and can just do anything his heart desires.

And don't get me started on the fans. Yes I am a fan, but it's those rabid insane ones that worship his every breath that annoy me. Like I was saying to my fellow WMZY'ers, Jay can put out anything - an album full of static or ocean noises - and they'd eat it up like fodder. He can show up looking like a hobo minus the stick and satchel and they'd "ooh" and "ahh" at how gorgeous he is..sigh. I can start a whole new thread on Anti Jay Chou FANS with the amount of things that irk me about them.

Jay is mediocre at best without Vincent, AGREE!

edit: And about the new album, it doesn't surprise me that ppl are saying they are upset his style didn't change. Style is something very hard to change so much it's distinctively different to the human ear, so I don't criticize Jay for that. But the fact he didn't even care to come up with the album title says alot to me. That and it just seems he put it out just cuz it's that time of year again.

edit2: Shameless plug
btw that is the point of the current WMZY Wacky Endorsement (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21068) theme week, that Jay will endorse anything for the right price and press :rolleyes:

[ftlouiea]

Had an Anti-Jay today, new album to blame.

Apparently the previews - it isn't as good as they hyped it out to be. No surprise. ESPECIALLY with the title 'Still Fantasy'. Had an inch, I take that back, a millimetre of hope when the title was announced for the album. Just maybe a little too much hope. Any mention of the word Fantasy is a no-go area. BECAUSE Jay was gone cloud-high with his techy gadgets. Ever since Album#5 it's been whirring down to a whole bunch of sounds. (Album#5 was ARRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH bar QLX, just admit it.)

Jay's lost his brain. He's a robot. He lost personality. Where's the guy who made us sing lyrics backwards, and still believe it was meant to be that way until someone pointed it out.

There's just no turning back. He gained enough antis along the way, and they're not fans. Everyone's out to drag him down. I wouldn't mind, with today's Jay that I'm referring to, if he just disappeared in 2 or 3 years and people wouldn't give a hoot. He's not Jay anymore. It's the cruel way, but the boy's gotta learn.

AND DID THE NEWCOMER'S AWARD FOR HIS ROLE IN INITIAL D REALLY GET TO HIS HEAD? Cos I really think it has. Jay and films shalt never cross roads over my dead body if I had a say. Zhang Yimou... I can't think your way, but I thiiiiiiiiink it's for the extra hype. *coughSTILLwhatwereyouthinking*

And chinese themed album? Sick of it already... enough is enough, just stop when you had the 2 or 3 tracks from before. ._.

[chu_bear]

:cry: i really miss the "first newbie jay" ....where his image was so innocent and his songs were so cute and young.... I FEEL that his image is so mature and old now and i just don' t like it as much as i use to....( i mean growing his bread all funny and shapey)

^and yes to all of the folks above...he has to take his head out of the clouds :dry:

:wink2: oh i still love him tho (but only certain images)

OH and i don't know about his "half naked" photo shoots...i mean, i thought only girls start to wear less and less as they advance into their career ( inching towards slut *cough*) and now Jay is using it to sell himself?? :brows: not saying i don't like it...but theres the other side to it..

[qinshihuang]

i'm still half-scared that this thread might be an elaborate ruse to weed out the unfaithful, but i suppose i'll proceed with caution.

i definitely agree that he's reached that point where he feels he can continue in cruise control just because there is still a legion of "rabid insane fans that worship his every breath." a lot of the criticism he's drawn in recent years are warranted, and yeah, i hate changing my ways just because someone else told me to, too, but dude, if you take your career and your passion seriously, maybe it's high time for some serious reflection. right now, he's simply rolling along with whims because there is no immediate consequence.

he's said he wants to become the jet li of music. i don't know how serious he was when he said it, but if that's actually his goal, then he hasn't made an inch of progress since the time he announced it up to now. you don't carve your own place in music history by committing a majority of your time into shooting blockbuster movies and rice cracker commercials. you don't become a legendary musician by pumping out cheesy ktv hits after another and fading into the daily cycles of a weak industry. this stage of his career... is what i would call stagnation. his music shouldn't have to be about responding to his critics (what a cheap inspiration) or meeting the yearly deadline. it should come from within, it should draw from his own passion (a passion i strongly believe still burned in him circa JAY and the "first" Fantasy), and it should be the product of a true effort toward greatness. i... actually don't get what he means by "jet li of music"... but at least if he means it, it sounds like ample inspiration to maintain and continually break through standards. i just haven't seen any such inspiration from him in the last few years.

sadly, i can't really foresee changes in the immediate future. i think right now, he's having too much fun receiving utterly undeserved acting awards and toying with wanting to become a director. maybe someone needs to lock him up in a music studio with a lifetime supply of fried chickens and noodles.. before he remembers what it felt like to be an aspiring musician.

[chu_bear]

@ qinshihuang:(we can get banned together haha:wave: for being unfaithful) :oops: it also feels to me as if he's forgotten the struggle to become what he is now ..a super R&B pop Figure but you know the story...BIG RISE TO THE TOP MEANS HE'S SETTING FOR A BIG FALL....i don't want that to happen to our jay but he's better watch out and pick up his act...

[Zhaohe]

To be honest, Jay sucks along with his music. It's all a cheap imitation of crappy American music. What does he classify it as? R&B or Pop now? Either way, it's all garbage pop. Wanna-be R&B.

Plus, he sponsors Pepsi.. crappiest cola in the world (Coke FTW!).
I really think it's all over-hyped.. everything related to him. Watch him fade away to the sidelines as someone new takes the spotlight.. oh well, I can just sit here and laugh.

Jay sucks =)

[piglet]

sad to admit, i dislike Jay for being too 'ambitious'..

You might want to argue, ambitious is a good thing yea? true, but not when overly-ambitious..Did Jay see himself as a movie star? I hope not! I personally think that Initial D was a sold out because of his fans who appreciate his music..we want to see how well/can our music idol acted in movie..or rather, went INTO the cinema because he is Jay..in an other words, if it is not for Jay who caught me interested in his music, i would not catch this movie..i catch this movie, not because he can act? so one movie is enough?

and now, he moved to Golden armour..i was excited at first! why not? i am happy for Jay to be featured by Zhang Yi Mou and he will be working with Gong Li and other big shots..next, slam dunk and next, he mentioned that he want to be a director???!!! not that Jay is not allowed...but sorry, do you have what it takes? this is not playing with toys..expensive toys which you can use money to buy..i think he should take one step at a time and dont be overly-ambitious..to be honest, if he was the old Jay who hid himself under a cap, would anyone care a big deal that he wants to be a director? NO. so, i hope he would not bring his success in his music to other areas and expect all his music fans to support! that is to say, everything he did is successful because he got a huge fan-base who love his music..that's why we too would support him in other areas...not that he acted particularly well..in fact, i might not even spend on Golden armour..

I'm still okay if he endorsed in cell-phone, charties and etc..but not for Cup noodles and colgate..i don't know, it's kind of 'too much'? are he in need of money to endorse these products? what for? maybe i am being narrow here.. ><"

of course, i would still support his music, esp his new album in two days time..but i seriously hope Jay can sort of 'take a break'..too much of him is just too much..

*edit: jsut saw some news about rumored girlfriends..Yap, AGAIN..i am also sick of all these relationship games..

[ene]

Thanks for starting this thread Karen. I thought it was only me who thought he's selling his soul to the devil called money.

When he started dabbling in movies and everything else that wasn't about the music, I started to see the red flags. To me, he's no longer a musician. He's now a commodity. A commodity to be sold for the right price.

My question is, how much autonomy does he have in deciding whether or not to take up the endorsements? From what I know, sometimes, he does NOT have a choice. It's a management decision for him to endorse cola drinks, handphones, clothes, the works. I am not speaking up for him because I'm sure he is an artiste with enough clout to actually stand up and say "No, I do not want to endorse cup noodles because I don't believe in the product" - regardless of how much the gig is going to pay.

What then? Is it him NOT being able to say no to management or is it him being greedy and over-ambitious and wanting to have his fingers in as many pies as he can?

I haven't heard the new album yet but from what I've seen (the 2 MVs posted on this site), it almost seems like a recycled Jay. What's new? Nothing. But I'd hold out hope till I actually purchase the new album in a couple of days.

The restaurant, the clothes shop. To me, these are signs of someone who has way too much money on his hands to know what to do with it.

We need to go on a "Save Jay" campaign.

maybe someone needs to lock him up in a music studio with a lifetime supply of fried chickens and noodles.. before he remembers what it felt like to be an aspiring musician.
Very very well said.

Oh and I need to get this out too:

/startrant

FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, THIS GUY IS NOT AN ANGEL WHO SPENDS ALL HIS TIME SITTING AT HOME, WRITING MUSIC AND BEING FILIAL TO HIS FAMILY. FACE UP TO THE FACT THAT HE HAS A MILLION GIRLS THROWING THEMSELVES AT HIM AND HE CAN HAVE HIS PICK. ANYONE OF THEM. AND OOH, HE PROBABLY SLEEPS AROUND TOO!!!!!!!

/end rant

[Chun Li]

Actually, I can't blame him for metersbonwe. You know, his real clothes and metersbonwe clothes are NOTHING a like. I bet he hates metersbonwe himself. But do you guys know how RICH metersbonwe is?! Omg!!!!!!

Like I think in 2003 or 2004 when they signed up Jay, their profits went up 26% that year. They are paying Jay in the millions x millions x millions.

Honestly, I'd sell my soul to metersbonwe. (If I hadn't already sold it to Jay Chou).

I own ALL of his things, at least 90% of them, and I have each album purchased TWICE... one is left in the wrapping and the other is to be listened to. hahaha!!

[stitchphil]

Thanks for the thread Karen.

Speaking of clothes, I was translating this article today you see. And I came across this:

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/stitchphil/484071883.jpg

Now will you take a look at that!! Gasp!

I have only admired Pres Chou for his music only. But as many of you have pointed out here, he seems to be a little distracted of late. His all his albums after Ye Hui Mei seems to be going on a downward spiral.

But with his fame, I guess all these endorsements that comes along with it are inevitable.

[milkified]

Lols we have this whole forum dedicated to worship him, it's very reasonable to have this tiny anti-thread right?

I have no idea why Jay wants to act in the movie Curse Of The Golden Flower so much when his name is not even mentioned at the official website or flashed in the preview trailer. I know he's not as popular as Chow Yun Fat and Gong Li but I don't think Liu Ye's and his name are that shameful to be added into the cast list. Nowadays, he's all about acting and directing MVs rather than music and singing. No use having great MVs when the songs aren't as nice as the MVs.

And his album sales are dropping. It's stated in the news that only 80,000 copies were pre-ordered this time around, compared to last year's 1.5 million. Maybe it's due to the fact that the pre-order session is much shorter but it also means that his popularity is declining as well.

The way he handles his love relationship with Patty annoys me a lot. For a second, they are like match made in heaven and after that, he denies the relationship. I was trying to protect him in front of my friends when they said he's an irresponsible guy, always deny being in a relationship with other celebrities. First Jolin, then Patty. I couldn't help but to agree with Patty's case. I don't know what happened to them, but it's quite shameful for the relationship to end up that way.

[Starylosophy]

I have no idea why Jay wants to act in the movie Curse Of The Golden Flower so much when his name is not even mentioned at the official website or flashed in the preview trailer.

Nowadays, he's all about acting and directing MVs rather than music and singing. No use having great MVs when the songs aren't as nice as the MVs.

And his album sales are dropping. It's stated in the news that only 80,000 copies were pre-ordered this time around, compared to last year's 1.5 million. Maybe it's due to the fact that the pre-order session is much shorter but it also means that his popularity is declining as well.


I agree with what you've said milkified.

I also don't understand why he wanted to act in that movie. Perhaps it's because there's Chow Yuen Fatt and Gong Li? Somehow there are so many news complimenting Jay's acting skills etc but I don't think that his role will stand out at all.

He's much more focused on movies and directing ever since Initial D. Ever since he won the GHA, I'm sure he thinks that he's venturing well in the movie industry. Though his acting skills are commendable in some parts, I still think he couldn't last long in the movie arena. I would rather him to focus more on his music. I even think the Still Fantasy album is being rushed after spending more than half a year acting on the Curse of the Golden Flower movie. :dry:

Regarding to the drop of sales, I agree to that. But I think the 80000 figure is only for Taiwan region. The 1.5 million copies stated last year was the whole of Asia if I'm not wrong. I think most of the music listeners are disappointed with NC album and decided not to get all hyped up with SF.

Jay loves money doesn't he? :shifty: He wears dollar-sign tops, rings and necklaces so I bet if there's something he can endorse, I'm sure he will. Both sides will benefit too. Like what Chun Li said, Metersbonwe's sales went up 26% after Jay started endorsing it. :rolleyes:

The main thing that disappoints me is that he cannot have a breakthrough in his albums. Fantasy and YHM are his bests so far. QLX and NC is very commercialised. After listening to some song previews in SF, it's definitely better than NC, but it's not comparable to Fantasy and YHM. :dry:

[pepper]

His music has changed in terms of his lyrics. Used to love songs which are simple yet with meaningful and touching lyrics like Jian Dan Ai, Hei Se You Mo, An Jing, An Hao, etc. Now his song lyrics just seems too out of this world and even a little overly weird. For example, Fa Ru Xue, though I like the melody alot, the lyrics seems pretty over the top. It just appears to me he is trying too much to incorporate that poetic feel in his music just for the sake of pleasing the media.


Like what milkified said, I dislike the way he handles his relationships with Patty Hou and Jolin. I mean he is a man and just for the sake of protecting his identity and reputation, he seems to be hurting his rumoured girlfriends. He should be more straightforward and frank in expressing the relationships, instead of leaving so much skepticism to surface. His rumoured girlfriends have to undergo alot of pressure from the media all due to his fear of revealing his relationships. Think its really unfair to them.

[sasa2005]

that's very courageous to come out with an anti-Jay's thread in a love-jay's forum. thanks for that.

I think all those changes come after the success, from a shy-unknown compositor to a heavenly king adore by millions of fans, yes he did changed and unfortunately he forget to stay down-to-earth. I still like his music, he's still one of the best but something has changed...maybe he forget that a good album come with a lot of effort and time put in it and now he doesnt have lot of time btw being an actor, a director, spokesperson and more. (im not saying he didnt put effort on his albums but seems like it wasnt enough)

I guess fans might play a part in those changes too, there are just too many of his fans that see him as a GOD, everything from Jay is gold, is perfect and dun you dare criticize him !lol
Take the InitialD as example : If you werent a Jay's fan, will you actually watch the movie ? will you support him for the Newcomer award ? do you REALLY think he deserve that award with THIS role ? well im sure many fans will say yes yes yes yes forever yes...i watched the movie, i enjoyed some driving scenes, Jay was cute but that wasnt enought to win the award and i would prefer if he didnt win it.
Why ? cause it was too easy, his first role in a movie, the role is quite 'easy' (not much expression) then he immediately got the newcomer award and the movie was a HIT in asia. It seems like everything he does will be a BIG success maybe thats why his ambition grow up and now he already talked abt being a movie director while he has no experience in this area. He should take every step slowlier, he's young and have plenty time in future to accomplish all his ambitions. He should concentrate again on his music career and take note of fans' critics to improve and prove that he deserved his status.

Abt the fans...well its not only Jay's fans, every artists got some crazy fans that will absolutely support and defend them no matter what. thats irritating really...why its so hard to understand that its not cause ur a fan that u dun have the right to criticize ur own idol ? I'm a big S.H.E's fan but i can be the first to say tat what they're doing sucks when it truly sucks.

Finally abt the rumours, like someone said earlier, there is no smoke without fire, yes the media like to make up stories a lot but i believe that there are some true parts as well. Jay is not an angel from heaven, he's human and there are plenty things abt him that we dunno...

milkifield: yeah the way he handle his relationship with Patty = no comment...

[cacky]

Whoa whoa wee ... finally someone who decides to set up a thread like that and it's none other than Karen. I've been honestly thinking about starting a topic thread like this but just don't know if it's appropriate or if I'll get thrown rotten tomatoes at. Well, I do have a lot of frustrations over Jay (hahhaa, it's as if he's my boyfriend) that I've been holding within me since his QLX album.

Honestly, ever since his YHM album, everything else just can't compare to it and I noticed it's especially so since he started his acting career. Like I've mentioned over and over again in my many posts ... he's just lost focus, as simple as that. His talents lies in music composition and he should just stick to it.

Honestly, the whole Newcomer award for GHA was nothing but HYPE. Jay's improving in his acting skills, I admit but I think one of the reasons Jay wanted to move on to acting was also more of an ego thing for him. This boy just likes to win.

His music isn't winning him the fame and glory like [Fantasy] did for him and I guess he's probably just lost interest in pursuing. Knowing that acting can increase his chances of winning awards, why not? I'm just disappointed to see the Jay I like turn out like this.

Just a few days ago, I was watching some of his really old interviw clips and MVs and I must say that it's just a shame for where he is now. For Jay to be where he is today, I believe he can just say stop to whatever he's doing now and concentrate on his music but I guess, he, being human, is tempted by the idea of where fame can bring him. He once said before that he cares a lot about his 'face value' and what he's doing now can really give him face.

And the air of arrogance he carries these days proves even more so. Well, I can only say that Jay's fallen into the trap that a lot of artistes, once popular, fall into. Whether he can get his footing back, is yet another question.

I wish to see Jay put in more effort in his music but I think he's gone too way beyond that to be back to his original self. I too agree that if not for Vincent Fang, he won't be where he is today. In fact, I find that Vincent's too under-rated and I sometimes cannot stand the way Jay regards him.

It's like as if Vincent owes it to Jay for where he is today. When in fact, Vincent is probably the one who brought fame for Jay. Vincent's also pretty humble, which is why he allows himself to be treated the way he is being treated.

As for the blind and crazy fans ... I can only say, "To each his own". After seeing all the silly posts that silly fans have posted here, I've long given up in trying to rebutt. I find it just pointless and skip reading when it's just one or two liners.

The young will never have a mind of their own unless they have a lot of strength in their character, which is why they say that the young are impressionable. And becoz' of that, I shall not question their mentality and not bother to rebuke them whatsover. All I just wish is that Jay would really open his eyes to see where he's heading and ask himself if this is what him and his fans really want.

I mean, he always claims that he cares about his fans etc. Just how often we see him say something meaningful towards his fans? It's always very superficial or PR answers such as "You all must be good kids", "You all mustn't go bad" etc.

Does he really care about what his fans think?

ps. If more than 50% of his upcoming album is gonna be like theme songs to movies or commercial songs, then it just very well justifies all our arguments here.

[ene]

I mean, he always claims that he cares about his fans etc. Just how often we see him say something meaningful towards his fans? It's always very superficial or PR answers such as "You all must be good kids", "You all mustn't go bad" etc.

Does he really care about what his fans think?

Well said. In my opinion, I don't think he really cares. It's all about the money now. F*** what the fans think. I guess he's only care if fans actually stop buying his albums and his marketability falls.

I wonder if he has a mentor or something. Someone to slap him awake and go "WTF are you doing?!"

[icetears-]

I'm just stopping by for my short two-cents worth, cos I don't have much time currently. I'll be back for more if I suddenly think up of more complaints.
Basically, I loved November's Chopin because I much preferred his sentimental songs, & the rap on Besieged from all sides really had attitude. But my knowledge of Jay was really pathetic last year, before I joined jcnet. Basically, I only saw some advertisements showing his endoresments when I was over in Shanghai last year. & much as I thought, like WTH is his face doing on some retarded maggi mee packet & the cover of chips, I thought, okay maybe he likes those stuff.
But then the photos got more & more "spoil-the-Jay image", so I was, "Okay just don't look at them". Then I was going through the forums, & saw all the flowery shirts. Like zzzzz, he's practically turning into some, pardon me, "Lecherous Uncle tycoon-wannabe". Blah & the unshaven face, & that photo stichphil posted. He looks like some homeless guy. I mean, I'm not saying I like his hair in his first album, but the Eight Dimensions & Ye Hui Mei album fitted him fine, why the okay I don't know how to describe this, but in that photo he really looks like some convict.
Blah & back to the opinion on movies region. I really liked him in Initial-D, those blur looks & cool drifting, & I was happy for him when he won Best Newcomer. But as for the Curse of the Golden Flower, even though the producer said he invited him to join the main cast because he "noticed him", but he also said it was because of his high popularity. Man it's kinda sad that his name wasn't mentioned, but after reading through all the opinions, it's also got me to wanna say, "Serves You Right", I hope you come to a realization that your album's more important!.
& to add on a short remark on what milkified mentioned; I feel like telling him, "Stop playing hard-to-get & just say who you like!.
Zzzzzz okay sorry, I wanted to keep it really short, but I guess my thoughts got the better of me. I'll probably be back. In the meantime, I hope this thread appears in Jay's dreams or something.



edit on Sixth September//

I honestly feel that my post is crap, & that my reason for posting here is just finding fault with Jay when I probably honestly don't find fault with him. It was just a desperate measure to try to fit in. Pardon me, but I'll leave it here to remind of what an ignorant fool I was.

[jayx8318x]

haha no this isn't a weed out thread. Is that why it's gotten so many views but ppl are afraid to post? I know alot of ppl here have felt this way about Jay that's why I wasn't afraid to make it. And everyone has responded with such interesting arguments, I'm actually impressed. Even though this is a Jay forum, I don't see the hurt in having people try to look at him through non-rose colored glasses for once.

It helps develop critical thinking skills, and JCNet is nothing short of an educational medium for the kids.</sarcasm>




i think right now, he's having too much fun receiving utterly undeserved acting awards


That best newcommer award was nothing more than fan service. I can't find anyone that's not a Jay fan that thought his acting was great..even good. But then again is the "best newcommer" award for acting or just screen prescence, potential..?
It must have been sucky for his contenders, who probably went to an acting academy since they were 14, practicing 8 hours a day, with some prior acting credentials, to lose out to an already celebrity with too much time on his hands



My question is, how much autonomy does he have in deciding whether or not to take up the endorsements?

Even if it's management's decision, you really think they won't allow Jay to have a say in it? Jay is practically carrying Alfa Music on his back. He's got more bullets under his belt that they do. I'm sure they'd do everything to keep Mr. Chou happy.


like WTH is his face doing on some retarded maggi mee packet & the cover of chips
Ah Capico chips, I forgot to add that to my ever growing list of pointless Jay endorsements.

His attitude towards Patty and past rumored gfs is getting annoying. It's like he's trying to portray this "I can't be tamed by any woman" attitude. It's just very disrespectful to Patty or whoever it is this week. And to those fans that keep saying well it's their business to come out and say it if they want, that's bs. They are both milking it for what it's worth (although I must admit I think it's more of Jay's decision, and Patty just follows - cuz she seems like that type). As long as it's still "are they, aren't they" they get all the free press they want, while bringing Hebe, Jolin, and whoever else down with them. Just admit it and be done with it.

[xJayChoux]

i have to say that i already lost interest in Jay himself. i remember i said "i want the old J back" like...2 years ago. i think it all started when he started DYING his hair. i was like...

WTF ARE YOU DOING?! DYE IT BLACK AGAIN!!! *whack*

it was during the One2Free days... and then later he got more endorsements...and now i can't even keep up with it anymore. i just don't care

he always keeps saying "i don't want to change, i refuse to change, my music this my music that". like, please. shut up. :dry: if he really means it, then why the heck does he have 3+ advert songs in his albums starting from 8D?!?!?

i have to admit that i was like WTH?! :crazy: when he got an award for the Best Newcomer for Initial D. his acting...was...bad (i'm being nice here). i don't get why he's starting to act in all these movies. didn't he once say that music's the most important thing in his life and that he won't dissapoint his fans?! i just think he broke his promise towards us, his fans.

and seriously. this guy needs to openly admit it when he's got a chick, this "rumoured girlfriend no. 1000000000000000000000000000" shit is making me vomit.

[kewlpiggy88]

GAH I JUST WROTE A FREAKING LONG THING AND I CLICKED SOMETHING AND NOW IT'S ALL GONE.

i'm too lazy to rewrite. basically, anyone watch that yu le bai fen bai episode with jay and xiao zhu pretending to be each other in the first part? it was when jay was promoting 11 chopin. anyway, that episode shocked me cuz jay came off as very arrogant and condescending. someone PLEASE agree with me.

i liked fantasy/pre-fantasy jay. nice, simple, PURE songs. a naive, innocent-sounding jay. it didn't seem covered with this layer of computer-y/digital-y sounds that his songs have now. granted, still fantasy is lots better than 11 Chopin and QLX. at least in my opinion. still not at fantasy stage tho. MAN, that was a HELL OF AN ALBUM. jian dan ai, ba wo huai lai le, kai bu liao kou, an jing. MY GAWD. those 4 songs alone could have made that album.

sometimes i think jay is dabbling in acting and directing because he knows pop music stars have a shorter career than actors. i dunno, it's just something i was thinking about. he was bad in initial D but then i read that zhang yimou really liked jay? hmm, i'm waiting for that new movie to come out so i can see for myself.

i wish he would admit double-J relationship. so obvious! they were "good friends", performed with each other, jay even said his grandma liked jolin, and jolin wrote a forward in jay's book. then BAM, jay&patty tokyo pics come out and now it's, "i haven't talked to her/him for a long time." it was SO OBVIoUS that there was something going on b/t patty and jay. i mean, HELLO, the pictures speak a thousand words, patty was always giggling on that peach protein show whenever the guest would mention jay, and they crack patty-jay jokes at golden horse/melody awards. i mean COME ON. i don't understand this "i never said we were in a relationship before."

okay, well, i'm just glad still fantasy is better than 11 Chopin and QLX. maybe he'll retreat back to fantasy stage.

[judes]

for some reason my beef with jay isn't in his semi experimentation with classical chinese music or his mumbling or his rap...because although i don't like it, i think it's interesting when mixed with modern sounds and the "gadgety" kind of music. my problem with jay was the slow songs in QLX when he just sounds like he's dying. he has this high, whiny, irritating kind of draaawl that is slightly breathy that makes me want to choke him. some of my favourite songs of his is from QLX but the slow stuff UGH.

i don't know i feel about november chopin but i think it's the same. most of his slow songs i'm kind of bothered by and they sound so generic. i guess most of his older slow songs i'm kind of irritated by too. which is weird because most people i meet are all "jay's slow songs yay fast songs nay". i LOVE his fast songs i LOVE some of his rap and the clever things he does with theml, but i think his slow songs are lame, he doesn't have the voice for them, his videos are tired and cliche, and they all sound the same.

[sushii]

i agree with what kewlpiggy88 said that jay is letting his arrogance get the best of him. maybe he thinks "oh! i'm already a heavenly king, theres no need to improve!my fans will love me no matter what!" he NEEDS to get back to his music and only music,i mean thats what hes best at right?!! its good to venture out and do other things like acting,once in awhile, but by letting your music slip in the process is a no go. and now hes thinking about directing his own movie?!!? thats a bit over doing it..i mean hes only acted in like two movies, hes doesn't have that kind of experience to be a director. plus i didn't really think he deserved the award for "BEST newcomer" at the golden horse awards. i don't like isabella leong very much but i think she should've deserve that award and not jay.i watched initial d like three times and each time i thought his acting was bad..i mean that crying scene he did, made me want to laugh rather than cry with him. and he was so expressionless in that movie.so parts of that movie was good..but other parts were blaaah.and probably if jay chou and edison chen weren't in that movie i would have never watched it in the first place. i pretty sure you all (well most of you) would agree with me.and like everyone above me all mentioned. the way he handled his relationships were not very smart..i mean HELLO!!!there were pictures of you and patty (like kewlpiggy88 said) why don't you just come out and admit for heavens sake, and now you're no longer in a relationship?!?WTH..and there were obvious signs of you and jolin as a couple..in my opinion if he came out with the truth and said that he was going out with so and so..i think the "dogs" wouldn't have been making up so many stories and following him day and night like that,, but then agian who knows they prob. still would've done that..but hey, look at cecilia and nicholas tse..they came out with their relationship, and they're just fine! anyway, that leann's complaints for the day..i'm done:-) :-)

[ShuiMei]

An interesting thread! I can't say I agree with a lot of the sentiments brought up by other members but I'll whole-heartedly agree that he needs to focus more on his music and less on this "acting career" that he's been spending all this time on. You cannot act Jay, there's no shame in saying so, we can't be good at everything, and that includes Jay, he should focus on what he knows is good at, and that is his music, so roll with that kplzthnx. No more acting unless it's in one of your MVs and you have to T_T

In regards to his advertisments and his personal relationships, I don't really pay attention to his sponsors or contracts, and don't really care either, sure he's getting loads of money, but that's how the business rolls and so long as he puts out music I enjoy I don't have any complaints.

Although I enjoyed November Chopin for the most part, I thought it felt empty. I'm not crazy about most of Jay's slower songs/ballads, my favourite songs as of late have been his really "experimental" songs, songs with style and substance, what the album was really lacking was that feeling of being "fresh" or "strange." The reason why I was drawn to Jay's music in the first place was because it was so different from what I was used to, and the reason he kept me interested and in love after Fantasy was with the innovative Ye Hui Mei and the lovely Qi Li Xiang. It appears a lot of people didn't like that album, but it's actually my second favourite Jay album ^^;

Anyway, I had a lot of feelings of apprehension and doubt during the time leading up to this album release, I was really hoping for a more experimental Jay, but still a Jay that was true to his musical identity. Overall, I feel that he met my expectations with 'Still Fantasy' it's not as good as Qi Li Xiang or Ye Hui Mei IMO, but it's better than November Chopin, which felt half-hearted and was overloaded with unremarkable love songs. I'm totally with Judes on the slow songs on QLX, 'Jie Kou' and 'Ge Gian' are just standard Jay Chou fare, oh but songs like "Zhi Zhan Zhi Shang" sound better and better to me on every listen :3

I love Fantasy as much as the next person but I think everyone needs to get over it, he's never going to be like that again. I don't want Jay making songs that are of the same style and formula of Fantasy for the rest of his musical career, I want him to grow and try new things, but of course still have that "Jay" sound. That's what really rubbed me the wrong way about this new album title "Still Fantasy" sounds regressive, sure the album was wonderful and in a category of its own, but he should look ahead. He really needs to stop caring what the critics think and whether or not he's going to win any awards.

I'm never going to love another Jay Chou album the same way I'll love "Fantasy," that is simple fact. Personally, it's because it was so new and different to me at the time, it was also the album that got me into Jay, and just like I'll never love another Ayu album like I love "LOVEppears," it's the sentimental value of the album that makes me hold it in such high esteem.

I guess I'm not really criticizing Jay that much here xD I guess I'll throw out that I don't really like the way he's been singing lately

[cacky]

It's good that we have fans who are mature enough here to discern. However, one thing I noted in the posts that I think I should bring up is that ... quite a number of you are quoting what you see on print media. And that's really scary.

I agree how much the media has influenced our thoughts these days. But do you also realize that the media folks (especially print media folks) are getting more and more imaginative? Honestly, I hardly go to the Jay News or Jay Music News anymore.

Reason being, I no longer wanna waste my time on such senseless articles. I'm ever so irritated with articles that have such sensational titles and when you read it, the whole gist is probably in one line in the last paragraph. Thank God for translations or I'll die just reading the traditional mandarin!

As for Jay's arrogance, I think it just got worse since the paprazzi incident. I think it's an ego thing. He just has to show more arrogance otherwise, he'll just seem like the rest of the guys, cowering in fear.

I agree with Karen on the autonomy of the decisions made by Jay. I'm very much sure the company allows him to decide what he wants to do. I mean, not 100% but he still gets to say Yes or No.

For where he is today, if he were to change companies, AlfaMusic will just fall. That's why every time there's some rumour about him switching companies, AlfaMusic is just so quick to clarify. But the irony is ... they never seem to be as quick to clarify Jay's relationships rumours.

I understand that it's his personal life but it's also affecting his popularity. His incapability to clarify puts his reputation at stake. He has to realize that if he wants to be a celebrity, he has to be prepared to bare it all to his fans, including his personal life.

Isn't that what a celebrity is about? Again ... proves my point on how much he cares about what his fans think ... He probably hasn't realized that he is what he is today becoz' of us!

[icetears-]

I just translated an article, & to add on tp cacky's earlier post,

ps. If more than 50% of his upcoming album is gonna be like theme songs to movies or commercial songs, then it just very well justifies all our arguments here.

I think those articles are enough to justify how much he has been dabbing in movies & all. The new album's released mvs, yeah they're cool. But when I heard the preview of "Ben Cao Gang Mu" before I watched the mv, it was just another rap song to me. Honestly, I like the mv, but if I've to watch that mv to like your song, then I don't exactly see the point.

He's gonna be a director next year? GREAT. Maybe we should just wait for Director Chou instead the Singer Chou.

For where he is today, if he were to change companies, AlfaMusic will just fall. That's why every time there's some rumour about him switching companies, AlfaMusic is just so quick to clarify. But the irony is ... they never seem to be as quick to clarify Jay's relationships rumours.

LOL sorry, I just think your posts are the most interesting by far :X Okay anyway, Man YES, they always clarify about thes witching companies incidents, or even the recent rumour of banning his mv, there was an article clarifying the news, & man, I thought it was cheesy, but anyway, they were saying things like, (regarding the examination of the mv) "the recording company has NOTHING to do with it". However much they have to rely on Jay, they've definitely also pulled up his ego to the heavens. For all I know, the worker who leaked out his upcoming album was probably a Jay fan once too, & got fed up with his new "artiste aura".

I think I'll leave my second relationship opinions for the next time round. I need to split up the opinions, in case there's nothing to vent next time round.

// edit.
Okay I've decided to try not to diss Jay anymore, since I admit I'm been using my not-so-good mood to vent it out & attck him, too. But if I'm back, it'll mean that I haven't simmered down yet. Ahhh I hope I don't have to be back here. Suddenly I'm so, "Unjay-ish". Blah :|

edit on Sixth September//

I honestly feel that my post is crap, & that my reason for posting here is just finding fault with Jay when I probably honestly don't find fault with him. It was just a desperate measure to try to fit in. Pardon me, but I'll leave it here to remind of what an ignorant fool I was.

[kewlpiggy88]

i just want to clarify that i still really love jay! he was the one who made me go "woah!" or "ooh!" and "omg! is that CHINESE MUSIC?"

shuimei - QLX did have some pretty good songs, but he started getting more commercialized. YHM and fantasy were LOTS better. i tend to think of 8D space as his experimental album with computer sound effects. and out of all the albums of jay's, 11 chopin is the one i listened tothe least. it just didn't get me all excited and i guess you could say i could predict what chord or melody was going to come next. i'm just glad that still fantasy, at least to my ears, is better than QLX and 11 Chopin.

[maihuong]

i think jay's acting was realli bad in initial d .. you no how ppl keep praising him about his natural acting skills and stuff ? ?.. i think directors do that to boost up the sales and since he's alreadi popular they wanna use his name to excite our anticipation .. i realli reali hope he freakin improves in golden armour .. i'm like BEGGGING .. sometimes i talk to my friends and they're like ..... omgg jay cries like a babie .. dude .. blahblahbalhb .. i'm not gonna say no he doesnt cuz i think its true .. even i criticize him

yahh and he's kinda arrogantt .. wat he said bout the superstar girl from sgpore idol i tihnk?? bout her being rumoured w/ him .. i thout thtat was soo overboard .
i thikn he deserves some bashing for that

i dont like how he kinda tries too hard to be cool sometimes
i dont like that he didnt seem to care much about his relationship w/ patty

[ShuiMei]

When discussing music, terms like "commercialized" "overrated" or "sellout" don't really sit well with me, I think they're thrown around a lot and don't hold much meaning anymore. I think it's mostly from my own experience of posting at Japanese music boards, but it gives off this 'elitist' feel, I'm not saying any of you are being elitist but I just make it to avoid using those terms personally.

From my understanding, 'commercialized' music is music made to reach the masses, and with that, all music by major record labels can fall under that title, though I suppose in this context, commercialized music is music made to reach the masses at the cost of musical integrity? I don't really feel that Jay's there, though November Chopin makes me tempted to think otherwise ^^;

I don't think QLX sounds like a 'commericialized' album, but those are my personal sentiments, there's lots of elements to the songs that I feel are innovative and different, aside from songs like 'Ge Qian' or 'Jie Kou.' If by commercialized you mean more 'mainstream' then I'd say 'November Chopin' is 'commercialized' as Jay doesn't really try anything different in that album, aside from the totally awesome gregorianesque chanting in 'Lan Se Feng Bao' or the overall atmosphere of 'Si Mian Chu Ge,' songs like 'Hei Se Mao Yi' sound uninspired, like a KPOP song *gets shot* and 'Lang Man Shou Ji,' while cute and catchy, is also unremarkable, it's like he didn't try ._.;

I actually don't think very highly of 8D and refer to it affectionately as "Fantasy lite" I thought it was rather lacklustre and was really disappointed with Jay ^^;;

[JayMatrix]

I used to hate Jay, because I thought he was just another 'Taiwanese Popstar'. So now it's ironic that he's about to become one.

I didn't think his acting was bad in Initial D. Because that's what the main character is, himself. He's basically acting himself. But to win the Newcomer award? People are just pleasing him. Ultimately, he should stop wasting time. He can't see that Directors look for him for his popularity, not for his acting talents. Why can't he see that?

And I agree that November Chopin was bad. Because all the non-Jay fans liked it, a lot. It's the same as saying the masses like it. Yeh Hui Mei was a very very good album, but Jay fans loved it but the masses didn't. Though Still Fantasy was a whole lot BETTER than NC, it still lacks something.

Still Fantasy is a frustrating album, one moment he shows you his stuffs, and the next he brings you back down to Earth. Yes I've listened to the 'illegal' ones but I've already preordered. =P

Rumours are strong that Jay is about leave Alfa Music and set up his own company. I hope, with that, he can just go back to his old-self - making music. But honestly, the way I see it it's almost impossible.

While his directing/editing in 'Twilight Seven' are commenable, I hope he doesn't go that far into making movies. He doesn't have the experience and ability. Ambition is good but that's over-ambitious as someone has pointed out.

Maybe someone should just compile this whole thread, translate it and post it on Jay2u.com, his official website. And just to piss Jay off, just use Alta Vista's Babel Fish translator.

[wanie_jay]

i watched initial d like three times and each time i thought his acting was bad..i mean that crying scene he did, made me want to laugh rather than cry with him

lol, i was actually biting my lips when that fake tears flow down. that was so bad. but, in initial d, that character really portray him, which is a cool young man..i don't really have a problem, with that, but, what gets me was when he won the best newcomer. i went on like, what the...where there some sort of conspiracy going on there, i don't know. and i really wonder which part of the movie that the juries think that jay deserve that award. i hope its not the crying part...

and yeah, i really hate it when he start putting commercial ads into his songs. i know that most artist do the same thing, but, jay has really overdoing it..i can accept one or two endorsed mvs, but, 50%? what was jay thinking?

i think that jay has taken us the fan for granted, thinking that no matter what, we will always be there for him. but, for me, the only reason i'm still here, is his wonderful musics, something that i hardly experienced now. i used to cry when i heard kai pu liao ko and an jing, but, i had no feeling when i heard jie ko.i actually skipped that song and many other mushy-mushy songs in QLX and november chopin, because i can't stand the lyrics and the musics. it was pretty lame and boring. i actually forced myself to like that song...but, i never did..

i really don't understand why people would still go OMG! its jie ko, feng.. how sweet...come on, if you have heard fantasy, you would go like WTH is jay thinking when he write these songs...

and, one more thing, didn't he mention that he actually prepared 20 songs for this album(still fantasy)? i really-really don't wish to hear that. i want quality, not quantity. its time for jay to go back to basic...

[JayMatrix]

and, one more thing, didn't he mention that he actually prepared 20 songs for these albums? i really-really don't wish to hear that. i want quality, not quantity. its time for jay to go back to basic...

I read that he prepared 15 songs for NC and discarded the 5 songs away. To me that sounds like he never puts effort into them and composes them just anyhow. Where's the sincerity?:dry:

[ShuiMei]

I think it's funny how you said that you know November Chopin was bad when you see how many non-Jay fans loved it xD probably because there's a lot of truth in that, I just never made that observation ^^

...that only makes me curious about the songs he threw away, what if they were good? XD

I remember listening to 'November Chopin' and then listening to Geng Hong's 'Rainbow Heaven' and being blown away by the composition of songs like 'Shi Luo De Ru Chang Juan' and 'Xin Ling Jiao Zhan,' wondering why he didn't put that kind of effort into his own album. It's like when he came out with 8D and gave Jolin 'Bu La Ge Guang Chang' :P

[PocketLighter]

heheheh im beginning to love this ANTI-X forum more and more.

Has jay changed? I hope not.

Has his music changed? i think not.

Have we changed? I think so.

We never knew how he wrote his music BEFORE he became famous., therefore we have no right to 'judge' how he writes what he writes now. Just because we have gotten used to it, doesnt necessarily make it his fault, that to us..his music "suck".

Dont forget, its been 6 years? or 5? sumthin like that.

I still believe in jay, not because im blind, not because hes Jay.. but because of his "diao" philosophy sets him apart from the rest.

"Why is being commercialized a bad thing?" i remember him asking that during an interview. We live in a world where money talks. and why not? Come on, this is "Jay Chou", the top selling male artist in Asia. How do you expect him to behave? Dig a hole and hide in it? Wouldnt that be a complete waste of the "top selling male artist" title?

like it or not, Jay is a product, brand. Whatever that has his face on it, u can guarantee it will sell. INCLUDING HIS ALBUM. just coz it is music doesnt make it noble..

Think about it.

[Singerchick]

heheheh im beginning to love this ANTI-X forum more and more.
Has jay changed? I hope not.
Has his music changed? i think not.
Have we changed? I think so.
We never knew how he wrote his music BEFORE he became famous., therefore we have no right to 'judge' how he writes what he writes now. Just because we have gotten used to it, doesnt necessarily make it his fault, that to us..his music "suck".
Dont forget, its been 6 years? or 5? sumthin like that.
I still believe in jay, not because im blind, not because hes Jay.. but because of his "diao" philosophy sets him apart from the rest.
"Why is being commercialized a bad thing?" i remember him asking that during an interview. We live in a world where money talks. and why not? Come on, this is "Jay Chou", the top selling male artist in Asia. How do you expect him to behave? Dig a hole and hide in it? Wouldnt that be a complete waste of the "top selling male artist" title?
like it or not, Jay is a product, brand. Whatever that has his face on it, u can guarantee it will sell. INCLUDING HIS ALBUM. just coz it is music doesnt make it noble..
Think about it.

The thing is I don't want Jay to become a product. Once he becomes one he falls into a colorless world and becomes like every other marketed and packaged singer. Once he becomes a prodcuct he will have a shelf-life. Which is slowly happening.

Ignore my crappy analogy, but he's like the Furby. When they first came out they were hot, but because they were just a product and didn't change of evolve, new and better things came and replaced it and the Furby is no longer as popular.

Jay is continueing along this path. Soon he will be obsolete and expire.
That is just a depressing thought. Yet, that is what the music industry is.

[PocketLighter]

The thing is I don't want Jay to become a product. Once he becomes one he falls into a colorless world and becomes like every other marketed and packaged singer. Once he becomes a prodcuct he will have a shelf-life. Which is slowly happening.
Ignore my crappy analogy, but he's like the Furby. When they first came out they were hot, but because they were just a product and didn't change of evolve, new and better things came and replaced it and the Furby is no longer as popular.
Jay is continueing along this path. Soon he will be obsolete and expire.
That is just a depressing thought. Yet, that is what the music industry is.


lol, its ok, dont be too upset or depressed by it. His transition from an "aspiring" musician to a "product" happened a long time ago. We just didnt wanna admit to it. I dont think its a bad thing.. its just how things are in life. You cant be 18 (young and innocent) forever.

If no one can.. what makes Jay different?

[ShuiMei]

But Jay's already a product, when you market yourself and your music, you become a product, and sure, when you put it in that context, it sounds terrible and manufactured, but being a product isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you are in control of yourself as a product, I think it's fine, if you're not well, then that's cause for concern.

The reason why Jay won't become like other marketed and packaged singers is because he's in control of his image and his music, once that control is out of his hands, he's no better than a manufactured popstar, but I don't see that happening any time soon, if ever. We can call Jay's music commercialized and lacklustre, but so long as he's writing it himself, composing his music the way he wants to, and presenting himself to the public with his own image in mind, he won't become that souless artist. Even if Jay wants to dabble in delusions of acting and directing, his music is still what makes him, and his music will always be his. I think a lot of my own thoughts about Jay as a product are derived from my own thoughts of Hamasaki Ayumi as a product, she said once, as Karen noted in the first post, that she was indeed a product, but how it didn't matter because her songs would always be her own, this is pretty much my sentiment with Jay.

Jay Chou the pubic figure is a brand, he's a hot commodity that everyone wants a piece of, I think we all know that with the movies and the lucrative contracts, but if he's a honest musician, I don't think any of this really matters :/

Even aspiring musicians to a certain extent are products, when they try to become more successful and aim for more mainstream/widespread success, the best way to achieve this is by marketing yourself. The music industry is a business and musicians (with their music) are the products, it's a reality that doesn't change.

[kewlpiggy88]

when i say commercialized, i mean that it's a nice song to just listen to, but there doesn't seem to be anything more than that. songs like an jing, kai bu liao kou, and ni ting de dao made me tear when i listened to them really late at night. songs like jie kou and feng just didn't have that feel. they were nice tunes, but nothing extraordinary. i understand what shuimei is trying to say, like our tastes are "better than the masses" but i'm not really trying to say that. it's just commercialized songs are pretty songs that lots of people will like, including me, but at the same time, it lacks that special oomph that makes you crave listening to that song. a lot of people like an jing, KBLK, NTDD too, so i guess you could say it's "commercialized" but at least those songs, for me, made me want to put them on repeat over and over. i just got bored w/ 11 Chopin.

and i didn't know that a lot of people who weren't jay fans started liking him cuz of 11 Chopin.

[spax]

It's sad to say that Jay's golden age (i.e. Fantasy to Ye Hui Mei period) is over. The quality of songs seem to tumble down after that. I personally feel that Qi Li Xiang is the WORST album so far. November's Chopin is one of the best album, but not as great as the ones in his golden period. And for his upcoming Still Fantasy album, more than half of my mind is telling me not to buy this album. Because his style of music hasn't changed that much. And listening to the "Same Kind of Tune" will just make people tired. :bigyawn:

In this changing world, we must realise that if we don't head for new developments, we will be left behind. It is the same in this situation. Today, people might be interested in this. Tomorrow, they will be more interested in other things. It really sounds stupid if we just stop on the spot without looking into new developments, and soon other people will overtake.

Like I've said in the F.I.R's Flight Tribe album review, they need to explore into new areas in music to ensure their survival. If Jay were to stay on the same spot, his music will just go downwards. Why not he incorporate his trademark style of music into other new styles?

And I'm wondering if he has ever thought about the hardship that he had experienced on the road to producing his debut album in present. Like most of you said, he seem to be caring about money now, with all the endorsements, etc. And, with all his antique cars, restaurant, shops, etc, it's like he has forgotten about the road to his prosperity. Sadly, it's a fact that many people do not think about the hard journey that they had faced when they get rich.. :worry:

It'a all because of his ambition. He acted in Initial D, got his GHA award for best newcomer, and now he has just finished acting in The City of Golden Armour. His quality of music has dropped, and I believe that his acting skills isn't going anywhere. I must say, though, that is it good to venture out to try new things, but Jay must know his limitations on his ability. I still think that he has the talent in making great music. I simply feel that his Still Fantasy was rushed in such a way that it is released on schedule in summer. Frankly speaking, I wouldn't mind if he spend more time to produce this album.

Seriously, Jay has to think about his future. Or else, his popularity would just go down the drain...

[rain_jay]

thats a bit over doing it..i mean hes only acted in like two movies, hes doesn't have that kind of experience to be a director. plus i didn't really think he deserved the award for "BEST newcomer" at the golden horse awards. i don't like isabella leong very much but i think she should've deserve that award and not jay.i watched initial d like three times and each time i thought his acting was bad..i mean that crying scene he did, made me want to laugh rather than cry

I never thought Jay would and CAN get an award for Initial-D,oh come on this is the first movie he acted..with expressionless(ok i know its the character that matters)Ya and this point,Isabella..i really thinks she deserve it more than Jay does,she acted pretty much movies,well i think the whole movie(Initial-D) is about a bunch of pop-stars..so called "drifting" around..well except Anthony Wong(salute),

The cry scene..Omg he is just forcing himself to cry..and what i see it just a drop of tear coming out..what so sad about it..and i heard ppl saying"What a sad ending for Jay,and im sad too"

Well i know he keep on stressing that he will not change his music style,and this is what he gonna stick with Forever,sometimes i do think he is using this as a lame excuse ,cause he cant produced any better except those so called" his style of music".And making the public and the media thinks that he just a big star with own character.

directing skill..i can see improvement,but ehh..want to be director??oh..by only directing few mv for other and few for himself and some sort of commercial..Can be called as director?Ang Lee can be considered as....?? or maybe Wong Kar Wai?
has anyone seen Lan Se Fung Bao's Mv,hmm what the main point of it??

[JayMatrix]

has anyone seen Lan Se Fung Bao's Mv,hmm what the main point of it??

That was one of the worst, alongside Hei Sei Mao Yi. I don't know what was he thinking. And a sequel to Feng MV? That was so cheesy.

[jaychou_21]

I hate Jay for selling himself. He's not just selling his music. He has become a merchandise.

He likes to try other things he's not good at - like acting.
I'm not saying that his acting sucks and he should stop doing it. I understand how he wants to excel in other departments but he should focus on his music first before venturing into other worlds and overdoing everything at the expense of his music.

Frankly speaking, he is not a good endorser. The commercial / marketing business made a dummy out of him trying to sell products that are really out of his scope as a musical artist. He probably knows he's not suitable to endorse certain types of product but still, he pursues it though he knows the outcome wouldn't be good. There is no sincerity in his product endorsements. He's probably doing it for the sake of money and publicity. Where is his credibility?

And where is the shy, soft-spoken Jay we used to know? He's becoming more and more visible to the public eye for all the wrong reasons. He should not get himself involved in cheap ordeals if he really wants to get his privacy back. He's provoking the paparazzi to follow him everywhere. He's attracting media attention for being outrageous - the dirty finger thing, the 'dog' issue, and so on. He bites back on the paparazzi and blames them for turning him into the 'fighting' Jay that he is now when it wouldn't have happened if he's keeping low profile in the first place.

Music is his cup of tea and he should just concentrate on that. It's his music that catapulted him to superstardom anyway. It's not like his diastema got him a Colgate endorsement contract. There's a time for everything. He should produce more music and write more (good) songs before anything else and if he's done with it, if he has free time, take the movie offers, not like he'll do music, movies and TV and print ads all at the same time and earn negative feedbacks afterwards. He's juggling his career too much it's hard to distinguish his forte, his real talent. Come on, Jay! I'd like to hear HEAR MORE and SEE LESS.

[cacky]

Rumours are strong that Jay is about leave Alfa Music and set up his own company. I hope, with that, he can just go back to his old-self - making music. But honestly, the way I see it it's almost impossible.

That's quite possible and we'll have more of NQMMs ... maybe Bei Quan Ba Ba this time round or some clown junior who's willing to suck up to 周董 and boost his ego, just like Dantou and Yu Hao. Or maybe stop singing and start bossing around as a full-time job.

like it or not, Jay is a product, brand.

Jay is NOT A PRODUCT. He is a TALENT.

And he is hiding his talents with superficial careers like acting and modeling in ads. The only reason why I can comprehend he does that is becoz he is egoistic.

I agree with some of you who mentioned that he can produce better songs for others than his own.

Maybe it's becoz' he isn't pressured by sales and thus can produce better songs. But I disagree when you guys say that his music will always be the same. Yes, his singing style remains and that's important but the style of his music can vary.

It can go from rap till ballads till street music till chinese flavour till the recent bossanova. But his singing style can still remain (ie. The way he does different layers, the way he uses falsetto, the way he mumbles, the way he raps) He must find his own unique positioning and I think he's lost it after getting commercialized, sad to say.

[kahel]

i really don't like that Jielun is venturing into movies. So maybe he can direct his own MVs or his baby's NQMM's MVs but I was really bothered by the fact that he was casted on Zhang Yi Mou's Golden Armour. >.< It is a huge honor as an actor to be casted in one of the greatest Chinese director out there. When Takeshi Kaneshiro was casted in House of Flying Daggers he was so overwhelmed. And this is Takeshi we are talking about, the man who made acting his craft, who started out on Wong Kar Wai films.

I don't really get why Zhang Yi Mou casted him. Maybe he needed a stoic character? I dunno. I really have yet to see the film.

So Jay improved a little, acting wise on Qian Li Zhi Wai's MV but not as monumental as being casted into an epic of a movie.

ah somebody enlighten me.

[tenshi_dew]

It really annoys me when Jay goes on about the 'dogs'. I mean, I understand why he feels so frustrated at being followed, but it just seems really disrespectful. As an entertainer he has to realise he has to give up many things, and his privacy is definitely one of them. And sometimes his comments regarding the media aren't too professional. Saying how much he hates the papparazzi is probably not going to change the way they act towards you.

I think Jay really needs to work on his EQ. I sometimes think the way he handles rumours and scandals is a bit disrespectful. Like Patty Hou. Maybe they were in a serious relationship, or maybe it was just a fling. But she deserved the respect of having Jay acknowledge their relationship. Out of Jay and Patty, Patty would most probably be the one receiving the most criticisms about the ending of their relationship. It just isn't fair to her, having reporters grilling her about their ended relationship, when he's out promoting his album.

And I don't think Jay seriously deserved his Newcomer award in Initial D. Yes, it was a good movie, Jay was cute in it and his role was good...but not good enough for an award. I bet most of the actors in that nominees list did a better job than Jay.

And about Jay getting commercialized...I feel that too. Like someone said before, endorsing clothes and phones is fine, but I find it a bit weird finding his face on cup noodles or crackers or whatever. But I sort of understand that. I read somewhere that the album sales don't actually go much to the artist once it's been split up and parts are given to the record store, producers, etc etc.

I sometimes wonder is music really IS his passion now. I was just reading the translations on his Grandeur in D Major book, and you could really see how much Jay loved music. For some reason, I can't imagine the Jay now writing what he wrote in that biography.

I wish he would focus on music. Because that is the thing he became well known for, and is the thing he's best at. I don't mind him dabbling in directing, acting, or whatever, as long as it doesn't compromise the quality of his music.

When I first heard NC, I was really excited and thought it was excellent, but then after the hype died down, I began to feel the album along with QLX lost that 'touch' found in his other albums. Even now, I skip though a lot of the songs in NC, but I can still listen non-stop to his songs from his earlier albums.

I don't think if it's just me, but having Fei Yu Qing on Qian Li Zhi Wai seems like a publicity gimmick to me. I doubt so much hype would surround the song if Jay hadn't worked with Fei Yu Qing.

[xiaoli]

I am 100% with anyone who says that Jay can't act. He's terrible, and the fact that he won the Best Newcomer award really says something about the Chinese film industry.

And yes, Jay is way too commercialised these days. It was fine when it was just Panasonic and One2Free, but now it's everything and soon we'll be seeing his face on every 2nd product at the supermarket. I dislike how he has 2-3 jingles on each album. They taint the image of his albums and you KNOW that he composed it with an ulterior motive.

But you know, I think people expect too much from him sometimes. It's a lose-lose situation for him. People want him to change the style of his music, yet at the same time they want him to "go back to the Fantasy days, his golden era" because they miss the way his music sounded then. I mean, what is it? Does he sound the same or not? People miss the shy, dorky, reserved Jay.... yet if he stayed that way forever you would want to punch him in the face and tell him to grow a spine.

When I first heard his new album title was "Still Fantasy" I didn't take that as laziness or lacking the creativity to think of a new title, I just thought, OK.. Jay wants to show he's as good as he was back then, during the Fantasy days, cuz that's what everyone wants. Like he wants to relive those days.

[edit] haha yes yes I know, but that's the most hateful I can be.

[zhoudaoyan]

okay i have to admit.. when i first saw this thread i was stunned. haha an anti jay! never thought that would happen here.. but after reading the first post i understand...

i do agree that jay has become something totally different to what he started out as. that shy, simple guy who he first was is well.. gone by the looks of it.. i guess when a person reaches a certain extent of fame .. it happens. the endorsements, the ads, the promotions, the money, etc..
a huge transition..

we could be sure when he first came out that he was all about music. MUSIC. and his SONGS. and his talent.. that was what made him different from others..
but now..
i'm not so sure i see that side of him eh..

he should REFLECT.

[cyn2589]

i think jay has change alot since he entered the entertaiment circle...
from a guy that thinks music is his life... he has become a slave in the name of money....
from the preview i've heard...
i can see no improvement in his music...
i understand that we cant expect jay to sing non-jay-style music...
but his songs sounds like re-cycled to me...
he is like taking a big step backwards with this album...
he has been too busy making money to care about the quality of his music...

he is getting more and more arrogant this day...
i especially hate the way he face the jay-patty relationship problem...
the way he answers the media...
i think he has forgetten how hard he worked to get to this place now...
without the media/reporters there will be no jay chou that we see today.. *my opinion*

i think his performance in initial d is over rated...
i myself is a big fans of initial d but i think his performance in that movie is really bad...
and now he says he wanted to be a movie director next year... ><
he seriously thinks he is superman that can really shine out in every aspect???

[danielle86]

i hope some of his translator will bump in this site and translate back to him.
i really hope he will read it and know fans are complaining about him. ok.to me after his fantasy album, his music like not improving till anywhere. ok some high pitched notes he able to did it in ge qian, jie kou. but his music like in the same tune. jie kou and ge qian sound so similar.. ok i heard his latest album songs from illegal sites i listen to his slow songs. yeah.. quite nice but when listen to the overall with his rappy songs.. i found the starting of those songs are quite similar.. it just like NC.. i expecting for released of NC, but it kinda dissapoint me after listening for long... till now i didnt expect he will come out with the new album.
its like so fast? he been filming this and that..
when i heard qlzw.. its like.. erm.. didnt really catches me.. i really thought he got big breakthrough.. it just another same genre compare with his old album.

i wish i still able to sweet innocent songs like jian dan ai, qing tian, xing qing. all his songs are so sad.. about break up. really make me want to listen when i m sad. but when i m happy.. i wouldent really want to listen it might bring sad memories back. lolx..

yeah. his mv s.. hei se mao yi what is it about? he just walking around... duhz..
i rather he had more storyline mvs rather than wasting company money to film him walking.

his acting? initial d.. cause that character is like him.. so he can potray out so naturally.. he didnt even talk as much.. imagine all those main actors in other show.. how much lines they need to memorise.. about that golden curse flower.. oh god.. his image! so old... lolx

well seriously i do not wish to see him fall so easily but i do hope he made serious consideration in shows, movies and commercials he take..

and how come he didnt come to singapore to visit his poor fans here. only 2 years see him once. only at concerts. he didnt host a autographed session. even lee hom did.. is he so busy?

about his relationship, thought he always been thinking of a gf that has long hair, pretty, demure. and he complained he did not have lady luck.
whats about jolin? patty?
obviously they are in a r/s and they openly admit it. its barely a year. and the reply was ' i never said we are in a r/s' so irresponsible, never care about the girl feelings.. at first i thought its a way he would try to avoid and trick those dogs.. so the dogs wouldnt pester them...
hmmmm.... i really hope he can reflect and give us an explanation...

[PocketLighter]

That's quite possible and we'll have more of NQMMs ... maybe Bei Quan Ba Ba this time round or some clown junior who's willing to suck up to 周董 and boost his ego, just like Dantou and Yu Hao. Or maybe stop singing and start bossing around as a full-time job.
Jay is NOT A PRODUCT. He is a TALENT.
And he is hiding his talents with superficial careers like acting and modeling in ads. The only reason why I can comprehend he does that is becoz he is egoistic.
I agree with some of you who mentioned that he can produce better songs for others than his own.
Maybe it's becoz' he isn't pressured by sales and thus can produce better songs. But I disagree when you guys say that his music will always be the same. Yes, his singing style remains and that's important but the style of his music can vary.
It can go from rap till ballads till street music till chinese flavour till the recent bossanova. But his singing style can still remain (ie. The way he does different layers, the way he uses falsetto, the way he mumbles, the way he raps) He must find his own unique positioning and I think he's lost it after getting commercialized, sad to say.


yes, he is talented. but u gotta understand.. talent dont buy you food, cloth, and cars.
BUT(!) by becoming a product using talent.. can buy you food, cloths, and cars (!!)

[Singerchick]

But Jay's already a product, when you market yourself and your music, you become a product, and sure, when you put it in that context, it sounds terrible and manufactured, but being a product isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you are in control of yourself as a product, I think it's fine, if you're not well, then that's cause for concern.

Jay didn't start off as a product. He started off as a musician who truely cared about his music. Whereas now, he is flirting with the line between musician and product. I'm sure he still cares about his music, but obviously not to the degree that he used to.

I sometimes feel he is "cheating" on his music, with affairs with movies etc. All his rendevous with these random endeavors is deducting from the effort and love he places into his music.

Being a product isn't neccesarily a bad or good thing, but being a product means you have a shelf-life. And some new and exciting product will come along and eclipse you.

yes, he is talented. but u gotta understand.. talent dont buy you food, cloth, and cars.
BUT(!) by becoming a product using talent.. can buy you food, cloths, and cars (!!)


^ Yes.
But Jay isn't in a dire need of money right now. I'm sure if he just took a few commercial projects he would still have enough money to cover way beyond the bare comforts of life. After all, what will he do with his excess money? Open more clothing stores and restuarants?

I don't have anything against Jay trying out new things, hey it's his life. But now that is it affecting the quality of his music, I get the feeling that he isn't as passionate about his music anymore. If he really loved his music, he wouldn't continue these extra side-projects at the expensive of his music.

Money and power corrupts, and I guess the more you have the more you want.

[cacky]

Jay didn't start off as a product. He started off as a musician who truely cared about his music. Whereas now, he is flirting with the line between musician and product. I'm sure he still cares about his music, but obviously not to the degree that he used to.

I sometimes feel he is "cheating" on his music, with affairs with movies etc. All his rendevous with these random endeavors is deducting from the effort and love he places into his music.

Being a product isn't neccesarily a bad or good thing, but being a product means you have a shelf-life. And some new and exciting product will come along and eclipse you.


^ Yes.
But Jay isn't in a dire need of money right now. I'm sure if he just took a few commercial projects he would still have enough money to cover way beyond the bare comforts of life. After all, what will he do with his excess money? Open more clothing stores and restuarants?
I don't have anything against Jay trying out new things, hey it's his life. But now that is it affecting the quality of his music, I get the feeling that he isn't as passionate about his music anymore. If he really loved his music, he wouldn't continue these extra side-projects at the expensive of his music.
Money and power corrupts, and I guess the more you have the more you want.

I so agree with everything you've said above, Singerchick and I sincerely wish that Jay would just put his heart and soul into his music. He's capable and talented and I just know it ... it's just all cast aside now for his other careers. Like you, I don't have anything against his choices in his life, but as a fan of his music, I wish he'd produce better music for all of us.

He doesn't realize how much his music impacts our lives. Just listening to his radio rips this morning has cheered me up so much coz' I saw the old Jay in this music again. I hope the rest of the songs won't be a disappointment.

There's talk about Jay being commercialized here and also about how he shouldn't be endorsing toothpaste ads for the very fact that he doesn't have perfect teeth. I just thought of something which will be the ultimate ad for Jay. And that's endorsing for underwears!

Wouldn't that really go against his character? If Jay one day does endorse that ... I know he'd have lost all his integrity.

[petricia]

I've successfully made it through 5.5 pages of Jay's fan complaining. Let me just add on to it.

I am okay with all the endorsement, though I really hope that less than 2 songs are commercial-related. I believe that it will limit his creativity.

I must agree that I was surprised when Jay won the newcomer award in GHA. I mean, it was not just merely unexpected but ... maybe a little unjustify to the others. Perhaps Jay knew it himself and hence the dabble in Zhang Yi Mou's movies. He just wants to prove himself again. Maybe Zhang has other motives. As much as we complained, I guess we will still go to the threater to watch the movie when it screens. About Jay crying scene... I wanted to add onto the criticism that's already there but I can't. Not because I am such a fevour fan but basically I only watch that scene once and eversince then... I just stop the DVD when he ran away from Suzuki. I just can't bear to watch it again.

About him directing a movie... I really hope that someone can knock him out of his dream that it is a different realm from directing that MV. MVs are short, bascially summarising a story into 5 minutes. However, a full length movie is 100 minutes long. I seriously do not believe that Jay has the depth to direct a movie. It is more subtle and less surface and any attempt without experience is nothing short of a disaster. I sincerely hope that he will not try.

I think I said this in the thread about NC (so it is about 8 months ago), that the album seems to be short of a theme. I still think that way. Like some around here, NC simply didn't have the ability to get me put it on repeat, unlike his first album and Fantasy. The two are simply addictive, even until now. I really hope that he will be able to justify the title of the new album with his songs, Still Fantasy. Maybe he is losing his magic in song-making. Maybe he is using acting as another way to get inspiration. Maybe he needs a good break from the whole industry before he can create another "Golden Age".

Maybe.... He needs someone to beat him out, get him out of his self-centeredness and realise how far he had gone from the man he was describing in his book.

Oh... another thing to grumble about.... his EQ. I really want to slap him at times for giving such ambiguous answers to his relationship. I know that it is his privacy but come on, you are CAUGHT ON CAMERA for god's sake! Just come out and tell us if you are still together or not! I really feel that it is unfair for Patty to carry the burden of their relationship, being asked if they are still together or not. I still remember myself smiling at the press conference when he came out and 'admitted' to their relationship. I was like "Cool, Jay! Way to go! That's a man!". Right now, he is just cowarding behind, making it difficult for all. I am tired of 'defending' him in front of my friends. If it was never caught on camera, you can evade, sure. it is your call. However, since it is out in the open, be fair and nice to the girl!

Okay... enough said. (I am supposed to be working... :bleh:)

[natzo]

Hmm, I'm surprised to learn that so many people feel the same way as me -- especially on a site dedicated to Jay Chou.

My beef with Jay Chou can be split into two parts. One part is that the quality of his music has seriously declined. The songs are still enjoyable, but they pale in comparison to his previous pieces. Of course, the lyrics are still brilliant, but that's thanks to Vincent Fang. Otherwise, the songs would just be bland.

The second part is that by expanding into other territories like film, and not impressing, Jay Chou has lowered his reputation. What I mean by this is that I'm mostly with film fans, and they're quite sick of Jay. They couldn't stand his performance in Initial D and they loath the fact that he's about to star in Curse of Golden Armours. The most irritating part is that because of this prejudice, they will never be open-minded enough to sample Jay's music. They all bash him for not being a good actor, but they're ignoring the fact that he does have talent -- in music, that is. It's a form of self-destruction that I find very, very sad.

[judes]

the problem with the taiwanese entertainment industry is that it's so cutthroat. you have to constantly be in the spotlight by appearing on entertainment shows, by getting your gossip out, by hosting shows, appearing in commercials, having concerts, coming out with new product, and always have to stay in the spotlight.

i was always waiting for the day that jay will become more and more commercialized, it's almost impossible in the music industry NOT to expand to other fields just to get other sources of income.

i actually would rather see jay "sell out" by appearing on commercials and endorsing products and waiting a few years between each album to come out with music that is actually fantastic instead of churning one out each year in order to not be forgotten but always having people compare him back to fantasy. the thing is, music isn't like the way it was back in the fantasy era, so i'm not surprised jay found his niche, and may or may not be trying to dig his way out. or maybe in the end, music isn't his main driving force anymore, and that disappoints me, but is also something that should be expected.

i agree with what other people have said previously about his EQ though. even though, yes, celebrities should have their privacy, and i could give a damn whether jay is dating patty or jolin or another man, but the whole are they together? are they not together? Is he admitting it? is she admitting it? thing is getting really, really old.

[ziai]

Okay, I shall not talk about all those crazy endorsements and acting awards that Jay doesnt really deserve since you guys already covered so much on it. I just want to say that nowadays, Jay appears to be rather arrogant.

I was watching Yu Le Bai Fen Bai with Xiao Zhu as the host just now and Jay was the guest. They were promoting the dates for Jay's autograph sessions and Jay was like 'Yah Just Go' and didnt really bother reading the location and dates out. He didnt appear sincere to me. And later he was reading out the location of Nan Quan Ma Ma's concert (?) and he said this is more important, cos he's afraid that nobody would go. (He said that AGAIN on E-news) Isnt he a little underestimating them ( NQMM)?... Hopefully he's just joking.

Okay I am watching E-news while typing this, and he said that he thinks he got all those acting awards bcos of luck. And he is better in acting when he's acting himself out and not as good when he potrays the characters of other people. I agree. Oh well, at least he knows...

I still like him now, but Sigh. I prefer the old Jay.

[Starylosophy]

I was watching Yu Le Bai Fen Bai with Xiao Zhu as the host just now and Jay was the guest. They were promoting the dates for Jay's autograph sessions and Jay was like 'Yah Just Go' and didnt really bother reading the location and dates out. He didnt appear sincere to me. And later he was reading out the location of Nan Quan Ma Ma's concert (?) and he said this is more important, cos he's afraid that nobody would go. (He said that AGAIN on E-news) Isnt he a little underestimating them ( NQMM)?... Hopefully he's just joking.


Yes! That's what I was in my mind too.

I was like thinking it's just three locations and he couldn't just name them? He didn't seem to really care and wasn't sincere at all. Even if he thinks that NQMM's concert is more important, I'm sure his fans would want to know where to go for this autograph/singing session. :dry:

But on the other hand, I don't think that he's really underestimating them. I think he's just joking about NQMM.

[hisashiluv14]

This thread is god-sent.

I hate his endorsements. I don't understand how people can be all, Wah look Jay's new advert! and whatever else. Whenever I hear about a new endorsement it's all I can do to stop myself from writing a letter to him telling him (in bad Chinese) exactly what I think of his stupid, stupid, STUPID endorsements. Even worse is when he WRITES SONGS for his commercial campaigns and INCLUDES THEM IN HIS ALBUMS. That really pisses me off like nobody's business. In fact, it's a huge reason why I don't like Lan Se Feng Bao more than I would if it weren't a stupid, crappy Pepsi song.

I still think he's incredibly talented and I actually really love his new album - a huge step quality-wise from November's Chopin, in my opinion. But I wish he'd focus on his music more. I'm not saying that he shouldn't do movies or that he shouldn't direct a movie or whatever. He can do whatever he wants - as long as it doesn't affect the quality of his music. I'd rather wait a few years for a truly authentic, good Jay Chou record than to get a half-baked album he half-heartedly churns out every year just so he could get out an album every year. Which is why I'm really glad that Still Fantasy is actually good and contains songs that actually sound different from his other stuff (it does have 2 crap ballads but yeah whatever).

Still, I think he's capable of so much more. And I admire him for sticking to his guns and writing songs in the style that's really his signature, but sometimes it's hard to tell if he's simply ran out of ideas or if he's so busy doing other non-music things that he doesn't have enough time to devote to his song-writing. I can't really explain why the two ballads on his new album suck the way they do; all I can say is that they really, really suck - unsightly blemishes on an otherwise almost-perfect record. I miss the raw honesty of his Jay Album days.

Lastly, I didn't watch that e-News programme but the comment about NQMM sounds like a joke in typical Jielun fashion. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[JayMatrix]

Even worse is when he WRITES SONGS for his commercial campaigns and INCLUDES THEM IN HIS ALBUMS. That really pisses me off like nobody's business. In fact, it's a huge reason why I don't like Lan Se Feng Bao more than I would if it weren't a stupid, crappy Pepsi song.


Actually Jay had about 2 advertisements in the last few months that have songs sung by him. I was quite surprised he didn't include it in the album.

[lattae]

Yes! That's what I was in my mind too.
I was like thinking it's just three locations and he couldn't just name them? He didn't seem to really care and wasn't sincere at all. Even if he thinks that NQMM's concert is more important, I'm sure his fans would want to know where to go for this autograph/singing session. :dry:
Maybe it's a strategy. Fewer people knowing about hte autograph session means fewer of them will turn up... which means less signing... aka less work. VIOLA!

Jay ain't stupid you know :rolleyes:

[rvn_10]

hmm.. to take a fair and balanced side, i agree that jay's music in recent times have a little repetitive.. but in all fairness, if he were to put effort into making each new cd, it would probably take him a couple of years to make it good, what with all the new commitments his management agency throws at him to undertake ie product deals, endorsements, blah blah..

and some of you say that you don't want to hear about his rumored relationships in the news/paparazzi, but have you ever considered why his rumored relationships are such tabloid-worthy in the first place?

undoubtably, it is because of his fanbase that makes it so tabloid worthy. now, just think of it this way, if he was not well-known, would putting his pictures in the papers sell them? obviously not. after all, who would give a heck to some no-name artiste?

also, some of you people have criticised jay for lacking creativity and lyrical sense. while credit must go to vincent fang for penning jay's lyrics all these years, have you ever seen any artistes in the chinese music industry who pens their own lyrics for all their tunes? the answer should be a resounding no. in addition, how do any of you know that jay does not want to contribute lyrics to his own album?

finally, to those who say that jay just copies the american r&b/hip-hop style, just take a look around you. which came first? the american music industry or the chinese music industry? therefore, most music by chinese artistes these days are influenced by the americans. who's to say that all the cutesy pop princesses doesn't sound like britney spears when she was younger? also, who's to say that all the heavy taiwanese balladeers doesn't sound like 98 degrees?

anyway, seriously, would you want jay sounding like jeff chang or andy lau or jacky cheung or xiao gang or cao ge? please, we have enough of those already. so there comes a point of time in the year where we need something fresh for all the pop on radio, and for me, jay provides that.

anyway, for the yu len bai fen bai thingie, that's just classic jay. he just wants to plug nqmm, who's always in his shadow. plus, since when has jay ever been so loud about himself? he's always been low-key..

[jayx8318x]

hmm.. to take a fair and balanced side
There's no room for a fair and balanced side in this thread.Read the first post. As well as the guidelines of the Anti-X forum.

This is the Anti-X forum where people express their Anti feelings. We already know what you Anti-Anti people will say anyways, so take it elsewhere please. :wave:

Anyways, I feel it's gone from hot, to mildly tepid in this thread, so I'm gonna ruffle some feathers. I'll just say what I really feel about Jay currently. There's no solid base for my assumptions, it's what I feel. I think Jay has lost it. Or maybe he never had it. Maybe he was just a "one note wonder" and can't think of any other way to get out of his current creative rut, so he tries to cover it up by taking all the endorsements, movie, directing, etc...and that way, his fans can blame his sub-par music on the fact that he's too busy. I guess you're right lattae, Jay is smarter than we think.

[littlefishie]

Wow... I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way...

I was first exposed to Jay after 8D came out, but the first songs I heard were from Fantasy. Yet even then, I decided that while I liked his songs, I didn't like his personality. Already, he seemed too egotistical, and it seemed like he used being filial to his mom/grandma as publicity...

Now he's even worse... It's so annoying to listen to him advertise NQMM and Fang Wen Shan... as if they absolutely need his advertisement to be noticed... And the way he treats Jolin and Patty? Ugh... Don't even get me into that... It's pathetic how they are the ones who are pestered by the media about Jay everytime they appear. He should just suck it up and be a man about everything.

Ugh... Leehom's so much better... ><

[cacky]

I think Jay has lost it. Or maybe he never had it. Maybe he was just a "one note wonder" and can't think of any other way to get out of his current creative rut, so he tries to cover it up by taking all the endorsements, movie, directing, etc...and that way, his fans can blame his sub-par music on the fact that he's too busy. I guess you're right lattae, Jay is smarter than we think.

Yeah ... you are kinda right ... that's one aspect that I didn't think of ...

That day, I was just in a cab and along the way, there was this roadcleaner pushing a cart full of rubbish ... and amongst the heap of rubbish ... there was crinkly looking bag (think Metersbonwe) or somethin' and needless to say ... a crumpled looking Jay-face printed on the bag. Is this what Jay wants?

True ... millions of dollars from endorsement but having your face end up as one of the rubbish bags ... Sad sad ... and even more sad when I watched the Metersbonwe TVC, it's TOTAL CRAP.

It doesn't even go with his image. How can his company allow such a thing or how can he himself allow that to happen? I am still pondering ...

[lattae]

Maybe he was just a "one note wonder" and can't think of any other way to get out of his current creative rut, so he tries to cover it up by taking all the endorsements, movie, directing, etc...and that way, his fans can blame his sub-par music on the fact that he's too busy.
I won't really say he's a one note wonder. Cos sometimes the songs he writes for other singers are really much better than his own. It's like somehow he can jump out of that little "hole" when composing for others and write something different.

I think that he doesn't dare to experiment with himself. That's what I think. He doesn't have the guts of David Tao or even Leehom (to a certain extent), to produce an album that will potentially get his fans base upset at the style. You know how he won't be able to face up to "album sales dropping" kind of news. He's too big headed for that.

OR maybe he's made all these claims about how he doesn't want to change earlier on and he's living it up right now just to "save face". :dry:

I don't really blame the endorsement bit, cos everyone is TW is endorsing something. Its like everything in TW has to have a face attached or the consumers won't buy it. But JAY, do you have to endorse so many things. Which part of your body haven't you sold? Oh, I know, your eyes. Maybe cos they're too small and terribly not marketable. Maybe you need an endorsement deal on shades :shifty:

And whats with directing? Yes Jay's improved, we see it... but seriously do you really think Jay can raise to the ranks of Zhang Yimou, Li Ang etc? Jack of all trades master of none. Heard that before?

[jayx8318x]

I won't really say he's a one note wonder. Cos sometimes the songs he writes for other singers are really much better than his own. It's like somehow he can jump out of that little "hole" when composing for others and write something different.


Well the thing is, doesn't Jay just send them a demo and whatnot when he "writes" songs for other artists? Even his own, just like the demo we heard of "Twilight's Chapter Seven" that was leaked a while back. Compare that to the final produced version and the difference is obvious. And Jay has only completely produced one of his albums himself right? The QLX album, which he lost the coveted GMA almost 2 years ago for Best Producer.

So my point is, these songs he "writes" for other artists, he's usually not the producer as well, and in the end aren't they what makes it sound good. I'm not in the music industry so feel free to correct anything that doesn't sound right.

*just not in the mood to give Jay so much credit lately*

edit: btw, better in what sense? Musically? Lyrically? Either way, whether he's writing for Judy Chang or S.H.E. you can always tell it's Jay. Either again he's very egotistical and wants everyone to know his sound, or yet again, he's a one note wonder.

I don't see why Jay continues to be a broken record about not "changing his style"...not that he should be pressured to, but he's only digging himself into another hole. So when he DOES finally change styles. He'll piss off the fans who didn't want him to change. And face it, he will have to change or re-invent to stay in the industry. Madonna has lasted 20 years because she is versatile and can change with the times, let's only hope Jay can do the same.

..damn it I keep editing this post as I find more things to rant about Jay.
The problem with his albums is that they all follow the same formula. It's like he keeps a template and he just plugs and chugs the songs into the appropriate slots. If he would just change THAT, the album would at least have a completely different feel to it.

[lattae]

I must admit Chu dian (Electric shock), a recent work of Jay for SHE is like crap. His earlier works for them were better, think Hou Niao (migratory bird). Rewind for Jolin and Happy birthday for Landy were pretty good (until he ruined it while trying to give it popularity at his concert).

Sometimes I wonder if its the lyrics or the tune that catches me. I must say that arrangement plays a part, but the tunes are pretty melodic. And its got a different touch from his usual ballads where it gets cheap (think romantic handphone).

*just not in the mood to give Jay so much credit lately*
I know what you mean. Everything is just wrong! From his hair, to his stubby chin, to the clothes. :wacko:


And I agree with you about the digging a hole bit. It's like crap, that's a silly thing to say cos you'll lose all credibility when you do. :wacko: Then again, maybe when that day comes, Jay would have earned enough money to relax and chill at some exotic location for the rest of his life.

[Singerchick]

Well the thing is, doesn't Jay just send them a demo and whatnot when he "writes" songs for other artists? Even his own, just like the demo we heard of "Twilight's Chapter Seven" that was leaked a while back. Compare that to the final produced version and the difference is obvious. And Jay has only completely produced one of his albums himself right? The QLX album, which he lost the coveted GMA almost 2 years ago for Best Producer.

So my point is, these songs he "writes" for other artists, he's usually not the producer as well, and in the end aren't they what makes it sound good. I'm not in the music industry so feel free to correct anything that doesn't sound right.
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Wow, I've been a fan for like 5 years, and I always thought he produced his own albums. So he's only produced QLX?

[jayx8318x]

eh? well I stated that as a question >.< so I wouldn't take that as fact. Again like I said I dunno how the music industry works, like what's the difference between composing and producing and orchestrating? :oops: Maybe he does do that for his own songs, but after he hands a demo over for other artists, does he do the whole shabang for them as he would do his own song?

Either way, I agree with lattae some of his older stuff for other artists is great. "Happy Bday to Me" for Landy was amazing. I remember he wrote that during his 8D days, that's when the Panasonic CM came out that had him playing that song. A few more good songs for Jolin, but then it just goes downhill from there.

[ChOuMYFUn]

Wow way too many post to read

In my opinion I think jay is (as I say) 'going outta his mind' or 'over his head'...

Well... Actually I agree with what piglet had said earlier in this forum:

and now, he moved to Golden armour..i was excited at first! why not? i am happy for Jay to be featured by Zhang Yi Mou and he will be working with Gong Li and other big shots..next, slam dunk and next, he mentioned that he want to be a director???!!! not that Jay is not allowed...but sorry, do you have what it takes? this is not playing with toys..expensive toys which you can use money to buy..i think he should take one step at a time and dont be overly-ambitious..to be honest, if he was the old Jay who hid himself under a cap, would anyone care a big deal that he wants to be a director? NO. so, i hope he would not bring his success in his music to other areas and expect all his music fans to support! that is to say, everything he did is successful because he got a huge fan-base who love his music..that's why we too would support him in other areas...not that he acted particularly well..in fact, i might not even spend on Golden armour..

basically sums up what I had wanted to say also

[eunicezy]

I just read the news and realised that Hebe is going to be in Jay's new MV? The first thing that came to my mind was 'Why Hebe?' I mean, Jay knows that those entertainment reporters are eager to know about their love life, and are always ready to write about them. So, why he is creating this chance to let them write about his rumours, again? He could have just chosen any other model, but Hebe was chosen instead! :oops: I just have this impression that he is trying to create more news for himself, whether its good or crap.

Those pics with Hebe looks so much like the ones with Patty, where they got 'caught' on the Tokyo streets.

[kamceng]

and yeah, about the hebe thingy...

is it just me, or i think jay looks like a playboy in the pics of the making of the mcv :sweat:

[cacky]

Ha ... and to make things worse ... there's just news released that Patty came out in the open to declare that their relationship ended. To quickly summarize, she basically said that the relationship required too much effort to keep it going and was wearing her out. She was also upset that Jay's not doing anything to clarify.

This explains why Jay seemed rather sad and awkward when the media asked him about their r/s after the press conference. Shame on him! If things really ended, he should come out and at least account to fans who are concerned.

And at this stage, I won't be surprised even if Jay really ends up with Hebe. I no longer believe him when he says they're just friends. Well, he says that for almost everybody ... and the pictures we see in the news pretty much tell a different story.

Jay and Patty also started off that way ... This guy's just lost too much of his credibility.

Another thing that pretty much pisses me off is the fact that [Qian Li Zhi Wai] is made the main song for the [Still Fantasy] album.

I am seriously wondering is it becoz' they got Fei Yu Qing to duet with Jay, that's why Jay has to give Mr FYQ some face ... if that's the case, he's just selling himself out. I think there are other songs in this album that could have easily been the main song too. I'd honestly rather not have Mr FYQ duet with him ... the duet wasn't that great either.

[ene]

Originally Posted by hisashiluv14
Even worse is when he WRITES SONGS for his commercial campaigns and INCLUDES THEM IN HIS ALBUMS. That really pisses me off like nobody's business. In fact, it's a huge reason why I don't like Lan Se Feng Bao more than I would if it weren't a stupid, crappy Pepsi song.
Oh man, that was EXACTLY why I hated that song. Till today, I click on that "Skip" button everytime that song plays. To me, it's like "Oh, I wrote this song for Pepsi and I can't be bothered to write a new one so let's just chuck it into the lot. The fans will love it anyhow". :rolleyes:

I have said this before and I'm saying it again. I'm gaining newfound respect for Lee Hom. Yes, his new sounds may not always go down well (I couldn't even finish one round of his Gai Shi album the first time!) but he doesn't give up with experimenting. For that, I am impressed. So what if it doesn't sell as well as the previous ones? At least the sound is new.

Like Karen, I haven't been in the mood to defend Jay lately too. In fact, I bought his latest album and listened to it in the car with the boyfriend. I was constantly giving a __________ look and he actually said "Looks like true fans are always the hardest on their idols eh? I think it's quite a good album!". And to that, I just smiled.

Usually, I'd be playing his new album on repeat mode the moment I get it. Now, I listened to it once and then switched to Lee Hom's Gai Shi Ying Xiong, that very album I used to not like.

This Jay fan is quietly slipping away....

[hisashiluv14]

I cannot stand seeing reports about his love life. When the whole Jolin fiasco was still around, I was one of the idiots who staunchly believed that he wasn't dating her just because he said so. And now? I feel like a bloody idiot. And I hate feeling stupid, so no thanks to Jielun for that. Screw his love life. So much for all the crap he said in the past about wanting to be with someone not in the entertainment industry.

Another thing that pretty much pisses me off is the fact that [Qian Li Zhi Wai] is made the main song for the [Still Fantasy] album.

Oh? I thought the main song was Ye De Di Qi Zhang. But then again I haven't been bothered to keep up with his news over the past few months so I'll just take your word for it. I actually like that song so I'm not too fussed about that, BUT I think the song would sound much better if Jielun didn't sing it. Hahaha. When my friend told me about the song the first thing that came to mind was "ban men nong fu".

One last rant: I ABSOLUTELY HATE THE LIFE OUT OF XIN YU. It's the worst song he's ever record, EVER, even worse than Mai Ya Tang and Kai Bu Liao Kou (formerly my two most hated Jielun songs). I really cannot believe he wrote this song and honestly thought it was good enough to be included in the album. Has he gone deaf? Is his supposed break-up with Patty making such an adverse impact on him that he can't write a decent love song anymore? And if that's the case, why does he HAVE to include love songs in his album? Doesn't he have any degree of artistic control over his own music?

Oh wait, WHAT artistic control? He's not a respectable musician, not anymore. Nowadays he's just one of them commercialised superficial "popster" trying to stay ahead in the commercialised superficial Taiwanese pop market.

And the worst part? The only reason I'm getting so annoyed over him lately is because I'm still a fan of his. That makes me feel absolutely stupid. And you know how I feel about feeling stupid.

Screw this. I have school things to read.

[lattae]

I don't have much of a complain with Xin Yu, (nor mai ya tang or kai bu liao kou... since Mai Ya Tang was one of my favourite of the NC album). I guess that has to do with your preferace in music.

I am just missing the kind of album that every single song can be a hit... worthy topic for discussion on its own... Not something forgetable. Like "oh, so there were 10 tracks, but only 1 caught my attention"...

The fact that there are still gems around shows that he can still do it. I just wonder why he has to rush it through just to meet the "an album a year" target. Surely we can forgive the delay should the album be of good quality right?

I think he's underestimating the ability of his fans to discern between what's good and what's mediocre.

[spax]

I have to say that when I read the news about Patty stepping in to clarify the end of her relationship with Jay, I was FREAKIN' PISSED OFF!!! http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/spax49/cursing.gif I'm quite shocked that Jay doesn't have that sort of transparency, that sort of courage to admit their end of relationship. I actually felt that Jay and Patty would make up a great couple, in which their relationship would bloom. But now, see what happened? Can't he just settle his own relationship properly? If he had admitted earlier, the paparazzis might not meddle with their private business so much. Haiz... :dry:

Some more, I feel that Hebe doesn't match with Jay, though I like both of them. Look at the recent pictures of them filming the MV together. Jay seriously look like some typical uncle in his 30s or 40s, whereas Hebe is one young innocent girl in her late 10s or early 20s. I think Jay's appearance will just spoil my mood when I watch the MV. :bigyuck: He could have asked one younger and better looking guy to film in the MV instead. Why Jay? :?

Besides, he expressed recently that he'd rather get a girl outside the entertainment circle to be in relationship with him. I'm going to pity that girl, because I'm dead sure that Jay cannot handle his relationship properly with all the pressures from the media. Then, the story would replay again...

Last but not least, I really hate the album booklet that comes with his Still Fantasy album. He is portrayed like some sort of ganster with that motorbike. I'd rather him to have the sort of innocent and classic look that he had for the past albums. Maybe he is too commercialised in his look and outfit. And, what's up with that half-naked Jay!?!? It just make me want to headbutt right in his chest... :bang:

I like his new album though, but the songs don't sound like Fantasy at all. Maybe they are all out of Fantasy (I keep on thinking about that phrase, but it doesn't seem to make sense.. :sweat: ), I don't know... :unsure:

[qinshihuang]

what pisses me off now is that despite the fact that the new album was met with an overwhelming verdict of "no originality/breakthrough," there is a multitude of fans who defend him and claim that he's simply "meeting his standards" and "being jay," (seems to be the overall trend right now) and jay himself will look around, let out a sigh of relief and go: "oh, so that was ok? i guess i can keep this up for another year.".......... and the worst part is the new album was nowhere near "jay-standard." (or perhaps he has a new, dumbed-down standard now). not my opinion. fact.

[hil_sky]

In my opinion, the albums after 7LX are bad. I hate "Mai Ya Tang" a lot. Everyone said it was good so I listened to it more but it still didn't grow on me. =/ Oh and "Hei Se Mao Yi", it's the boring-est song in the whole album. >__< Back to Still Fantasy, is it just me or "Bai Se Feng Che" sounds like "Lang Man Shou Ji"? We should show him how crappy his new albums are then he'll learn a lesson and maybe he'll give up movie and concentrate on music more?

hisashiluv14: I hate "Xin Yu" too. It sounds like "Jie Kou" and "Ge Qian". Those three songs make me fall asleep. >_<

[cacky]

Besides, he expressed recently that he'd rather get a girl outside the entertainment circle to be in relationship with him. I'm going to pity that girl, because I'm dead sure that Jay cannot handle his relationship properly with all the pressures from the media. Then, the story would replay again...

Yeah, I am pretty much sure it'll happen that way ... while this guy's EQ may be improving (I hope to think so) ... but he lacks badly in his relationship handling skills. I feel sad and sorry for whoever may land to be his galfriend. Just listen to the way he described his school relationships in the past ... you know he can't handle it well.

He lacks the experience probably?

And I honestly don't think Alfa can have any say on how he wants to handle his relationship in front of the media. Given his status today, he dictates the company and not the other way round.

So, Alfa can't be the culprit in him not coming out in the open about the declaration of his relationship matters.

I cannot stand seeing reports about his love life. When the whole Jolin fiasco was still around, I was one of the idiots who staunchly believed that he wasn't dating her just because he said so. And now? I feel like a bloody idiot. And I hate feeling stupid, so no thanks to Jielun for that. Screw his love life. So much for all the crap he said in the past about wanting to be with someone not in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, I feel like a bloody idiot too. I used to believe in him ... but not now ... not when it comes to relationship matters.

I lost all faith in what he said about his relationship matteres after the whole 'Caught in Tokyo with Patty' fiasco. That's why I'm even inclined to believe that there might be something going on with Hebe despite him denying it on TV.

[hisashiluv14]

what pisses me off now is that despite the fact that the new album was met with an overwhelming verdict of "no originality/breakthrough," there is a multitude of fans who defend him and claim that he's simply "meeting his standards" and "being jay," (seems to be the overall trend right now) and jay himself will look around, let out a sigh of relief and go: "oh, so that was ok? i guess i can keep this up for another year.".......... and the worst part is the new album was nowhere near "jay-standard." (or perhaps he has a new, dumbed-down standard now). not my opinion. fact.

I think the problem with the new album is that, much like November's Chopin, the whole does not match up to the sum of its parts. As much as I LOVE Mi Die Xiang, it feels like he randomly threw in that song to show his detractors that he can do different styles too. But the problem is, so what if you can write a song like that? What are you trying to prove when 1) that song jars so sharply with the rest of the album, which then leads to 2) there's no sense of unity whatsoever in the entire album?

The fact that there are still gems around shows that he can still do it. I just wonder why he has to rush it through just to meet the "an album a year" target. Surely we can forgive the delay should the album be of good quality right?

Yeah, I totally agree. That's exactly how I felt about November's Chopin (I HATE the album's title by the way) and to a lesser extent, how I feel about Still Fantasy. I'd rather wait two years or more for a truly good, authentically Jay Chou album than to settle for a bastardised version of what he's capable of year after year after year.

I hate "Xin Yu" too. It sounds like "Jie Kou" and "Ge Qian". Those three songs make me fall asleep. >_<

Haha really? I love Jie Kou and Ge Qian. But not Xin Yu. I was bitching about it on my blog and my friend went to listen to it and she started laughing 'cause the song is cheesy - which it is. Tui Hou is only slightly better but I really think he can do much better!

[MeGal]

Wow, there are so many posts. It does seem to feel that his fans are losing faith in him.

I do agree that his album is very similar with his previous albums and that he does seem very spread out now. Directing his own MVs, wanting to ultimately become a director, acting in movies, commercials....etc!!! What happened to the music?? What's with the confusion with following his own style and not giving in the pressure to go mainstream? He didn't really input any new material? Maybe that's the excuse to the fans for not changing his style? Because he was too busy working on the movies?

I don't know. I think I will wait for Golden Armour to come out before I can really make up my mind. I do hope Jay will take heed of feedback from fans and that his next album will come out to be one of his best. It will really be sad for him to be called the King of Taiwan Pop and then to drop into oblivion.

[owen88]

looking at some of the previous posts i was thinking.... did he really dated jolin back then? u guys said it as though its true.... but im not sure about it... where did u guys get the news from?

[Starylosophy]

CJay translated a piece of news, where Jay said "Chinese craze is extremely diao. It's idiotic to have a craze for Korean and Japanese culture."

But later he clarified saying that he didn't mean that Korean and Japanese culture is bad. He wanted emphasize that Chinese culture is better and hopes everybody can admire and spread the Chinese craze.

I was very shocked that he said that it's idiotic to have a craze in Korean and Japanese culture. Even if he wanted to promote the Chinese culture, he shouldn't have just said that he hopes to make the Chinese culture known to more people. Being an artiste himself, he should understand and appreciate other artiste's talent, regardless their race/country.

Somehow it symbolizes his immaturity when he said that. I was pretty disappointed :dry:

[smarks]

I guess I used to love Jay, maybe I can still like him now.

I can't even say I like his music now. Year after year after YHM, all his albums are just commercial fodder after another, plus a lack in sincerity. Year after year, Jay is booted out of GMA, and I've been so tired in trying to tell others that simply, Jay is not good enough. Or rather, Jay is too stubborn to improve (nobody's asking him to change for goodness sake). I mean, look at where everybody else is going. You can dislike Jolin for all you want and that Jolin hitched a popularity ride from him, but seriously, Jolin is changing, she's finding her niche area and she's really improving. And if you care to listen to her songs, you find that her style is there, but there are new and refreshing listens too. That's what I mean, not compromising your style, but tweaking it so that you can explore new things. But I suppose, Jay thinks he's too good for that.

Also, I REALLY REALLY agree with the whole Golden-Horse-Newcomer blah. I mean PLEASE JAY. I just feel like knocking him out of it already. All those praises, do you really expect a co-star to say "Uhh, actually Jay SUCKS!" I won't begrudge him of his "best newcomer" status, but honestly, did you really think his performance is spectacular? To those who agreed, you're seriously blind with fanatism. And all the director outings.. please, just stick to what you're good at. It may get exciting at first, but seriously, it gets boring. Besides, Jay is only good because nobody expected that from him. It's harsh, but true.

I know Jay always harps on about people being more concerned over his lovelife, but he did choose the life of a celebrity. And with that, he already accepted his fate of life being under scrutiny. It's not that celebrities do not deserve a life of their own, but really, before being a celebrity, surely you would have thought of the consequences? And besides, what happened to the shy and tongue-tied Jay Chou whom everybody started adoring? I just don't see that in Jay anymore, it's disappointing. And what's more, the denial of his Patty Hou romance? That's plain wimpy. God, give the woman a decent title, God knows she deserved it after all the hurting comments and reports. Yet, he just can't do it. I really hated him for it. Still do I think.

For the Hebe thing, I shall just trust him once more. But if that turns out to be a lie, I think that's it.

And his new album, no surprises. As usual. I'm pissed at Jay, but I hope that he can still see what went wrong along the way. I don't doubt the talent in him. Who did you think come up with Fantasy? But I think for his fans to start trusting him and for the world to stop snickering at him, he has to shrink his head, come down to Earth and take some good solid advice. Jay, or any celebrity, is nothing without his fans. Maybe he should just keep that in mind.

[ene]

looking at some of the previous posts i was thinking.... did he really dated jolin back then? u guys said it as though its true.... but im not sure about it... where did u guys get the news from?
OMG. Did you not know that they're actually secretly married and that they have a love child called Simone together?! You must have missed that big piece of news that was all over the media! Oh and Jolin also admitted to having breast implants and surgically enhancing her nose and eyes.

[hisashiluv14]

CJay translated a piece of news, where Jay said "Chinese craze is extremely diao. It's idiotic to have a craze for Korean and Japanese culture."
But later he clarified saying that he didn't mean that Korean and Japanese culture is bad. He wanted emphasize that Chinese culture is better and hopes everybody can admire and spread the Chinese craze.
I was very shocked that he said that it's idiotic to have a craze in Korean and Japanese culture. Even if he wanted to promote the Chinese culture, he shouldn't have just said that he hopes to make the Chinese culture known to more people. Being an artiste himself, he should understand and appreciate other artiste's talent, regardless their race/country.
Somehow it symbolizes his immaturity when he said that. I was pretty disappointed :dry:

Um. Wow.

I mean, I love my culture and everything, and sometimes I find myself thinking (PRIVATELY) that my culture is the best and all that, but I won't ever be stupid enough to come out and say it in a public arena to a media that will definitely jump on what I say and make a big fuss out of it, hence damaging my reputation and making myself look like an intellectually-challenged, bigoted and chauvinistic IGNORAMUS. I just read the article and the truly idiotic thing was what he said about the Chinese culture being "better" than Japanese and Korean. There's no such thing as a "better" culture and the fact that he can come out and say something so ignorant and downright stupid shows that he should get a university education or something, or travel more, or get out more, whatever.

This is really annoying me right now because I'm doing a course in school called comparative legal traditions and my lecturer always emphasises that one shouldn't view a tradition (legal or otherwise) as "better" than the other - because there's simply no such thing. To say that a culture is "better" than others really, really exposes one's narrow-minded mindset.

But then again, Jielun's never struck me as someone of high intellectual capacity so I'm not really surprised - just appalled and disgusted. Ugh.

And besides, what happened to the shy and tongue-tied Jay Chou whom everybody started adoring?

Yeah, I know. I was looking at his Time magazine cover which I tacked on my wall years ago and I still remember something from the summary of the article in the content page: Will fame change him?

Evidently, it has.

Lastly, reading this article (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21547) only made me more convinced that he's too bloody obsessed with his album sales to wake up and see that his albums aren't as good as they used to be. Seriously, what's the point of selling ten trillion albums if the quality of your album is only mediocre at best (like November's Chopin)? Obviously the commercial success has gone to his head. I feel very sad for him.

[petricia]

It is articles like these that I really wish that his album sales will just drop suddenly, so that he will do some reflection. That guy thought that...only album sales prove something, which is entirely wrong.

About the Chinese/Japanese/Korean culture saga, I really hope that he didnt' say that. If not, Jay really need someone to knock some sense into his brain, and hopefully someone to improve his EQ.

[smarks]

Yeah, this is precisely why there are clashes between different racial and ethnic groups. Not to touch on a deeper subject as such, but I do wish Jay was more sensitive with his words and probably churned it over in his head before shooting his mouth off.

[cacky]

After reading all the posts here ... and reading the news that he's been on recently and his response ... I think the constant pushing and questioning from the media has resulted him to be who he is today. In my opinion, Jay has always been confident and lies hidden is the slight arrogance. Just that when he first stepped into the entertainment circle, these are all not revealed (probably instructed by the music company or perhaps he just wasn't sure of how to deal with media yet).

Over the years, we see him slowly opening up, I thought to myself ... whoa ... he's getting better at his EQ level but hey ... instead of getting better at it ... it simply got worse! Nowadays, he may talk more but he sprouts more rubbish. I am beginning to wonder if Jay actually is good in people skills (that's probably why his relationships never work out).

If all this while, his good EQ is nothing but a pretence, then I think in a matter of time, he's just gonna ruin himself. I was shocked that he actually said that about the Japan-Korean culture. I mean, what's the point of clarifying?

Fact is those were the words that came out of your mouth first and it's exactly what you were thinking. I think his ego is killing him too. He's trying too hard to put on a front to be strong (in front of media, in front of paparazzi, in front of fans) but he doesn't realize that once in a while, it's okay to show the softer side of him.

I mean, that's what I liked Jay for ... the truer side of him. I'm not interested to see the perfect and strong Jay.

As for his music ... yeah, like smarks said ... I am not expecting BIG CHANGES! I mean, quit talking about your theories of not changing etc.

I think, not just the fans are sick of hearing it, even the media is.

I agreed with Patty Hou when she said that there are improvements in this album, I see the introduction of bossa nova, I see american hip hop, all blended with his usual Jay layers style. He should see these gems in his album ... and tell people that there's changes but still strong evidence of his style.

To sum it up ... think Jay has become so superficial these days. I wonder if we should blame the media for causing that change in him. I mean, it's after all the media that's been criticizing him all these years.

[Xiuya]

According to your opinions, well, I think all of you are right. Yeah, he’s deteriorating, that’s the fact. But I think he’s not that bad. Well, he’s getting worse, I’m really sorry to admit it, but I think he still makes some efforts in his jobs.

After read his critic about other culture, well, it sounds under-estimating J/K culture. Don’t know why, maybe he’s so stressed that he can’t arrange his words properly?!?

And Still Fantasy… Lack of creativity and innovation? Uhmmm, what I can say is he’s declining, honestly, when I firstly heard this album, I didn’t feel much surprised as heard his early albums like Fantasy and The 8 Dimensions. Jay seems to be too confident and too proud of his music. But then, when I repeated the album, I found some new elements, too. For example, I never heard Jay composed song like “Mi Die Xiang before. Maybe is true that he’s declining, but I still feel some efforts there, although that’s not as big as before like his early albums. I think it's so hard for composers to change their styles, because their music style is what they love. For example, if you hear Beethoven, Chopin, even David Tao or Lee Hom, they have their own music style and characteristic that maybe never change. But there always improvement there. Jay is also like that. I feel that improvements. I'm agree with cacky and Patty Hou about this.

The other reason why his latest album quality seems to decreasing is maybe because of his time. Like you said, his schedule filled with shooting MVs, films, and advertisements. Maybe he didn’t have much time to concentrate on his music. I don’t know who’s to blame about this. Yeah, Jay sounds a little bit too ambitious with his existence in entertainment industry. But who knows if his managers who had arranged these for him, and then he just do his job according to the schedule?

Well, I think we must make a demonstration to make him get better. He3… I also miss the early him. I believe, actually we don’t want to write these comments, but he must know that he’s deteriorating. Before it’s too worse, we must aware him. I hope he can see these posts. My point is that he’s not too good, and also not too worse. Hope he can control his emotion and realize that he’s a human, too, who also can make mistakes. Hope his fans realize that he’s a human, too, so we can understand his mistakes. Amen.

[Singerchick]

I guess I used to love Jay, maybe I can still like him now.
I can't even say I like his music now. Year after year after YHM, all his albums are just commercial fodder after another, plus a lack in sincerity. Year after year, Jay is booted out of GMA, and I've been so tired in trying to tell others that simply, Jay is not good enough. Or rather, Jay is too stubborn to improve (nobody's asking him to change for goodness sake). I mean, look at where everybody else is going. You can dislike Jolin for all you want and that Jolin hitched a popularity ride from him, but seriously, Jolin is changing, she's finding her niche area and she's really improving. And if you care to listen to her songs, you find that her style is there, but there are new and refreshing listens too. That's what I mean, not compromising your style, but tweaking it so that you can explore new things.


Actually I don't think it's fair to compare Jay Chou to Jolin. Jolin has a league of workers that write songs for her, so if she wants to switch up her style she can just find another composer or producer.

However, I was kind of annoyed by Jay Chou's latest news. It's not that he isn't making improvements, its the fact that the refuses to admit to the fact that he isn't making huge strives. It seems as if he's just feeding off the extreme fans that say, "Jay is #1 no matter what," and ignoring constructive criticism from fans that arn't sucked into a vacuum of extreme fandom. I was watching one of his promotions and he was like, "This is my style, this is how I am." It's as if he refuses to change because he feels as if changing his style will seem like he is admitting defeat. He has this stubborn need to be right, and once he decides to stop making every song sound like continuations or remakes of another, he'd be admitting that he indeed is wrong. I think his pride is becoming his downfall. I mean being prideful is one thing, but once you reach a degree where you start ignoring helpful advice....

I've always known Jay was a very "I want face" person and he has a big ego, however, before, his "shy" demeanor kept his huge ego in check, whereas now that he is more popular he's just letting his ego run wild. I mean that whole thing he said, "I'm sure my album will sell over 280,000." It's good to be confident but you don't go bragging about it.

I can't really blame Jay for his crappy EQ, but sometimes what he says hurts and disrespects others, such has his whole Korea/Japan rant. I think he could have worded it nicer. I appreciate what he is doing, but he's stuck in one perspective. This reminds me of the song on his album "Red Imitation" where he was criticizing western cultures. I think you can build a Chinese identity, without bringing others down. I think sometimes he doesn't know what he should get to himself and what to say outloud.

As for his movies, he did not deserve the award, however, I can't judge his acting yet until I've seen his latest one. However, I think that award gave him false hopes.

[smarks]

I didn't really mean to compare him with Jolin, but I just wanted to bring out the fact that Jay, like other artists, have a choice too. He has a choice in whether he wants to change, but as he had said, he doesn't want to. Not to say that all change is good, but Jay has reached a point whereby he needs to give something new and refreshing to the fans, without compromising on his musical style or whatsoever.

I agree that it's admirable how Jay loves the Chinese culture and tries to promote it, too. I am a Chinese too and I'm proud of my culture. But he needs to understand the meaning of being in harmony and receptive of others' culture.

I wouldn't say I want to bring him down to let him have a taste of humility. That's not fair to him. But I would hope that instead of being so pig-headed and full of himself, he should try to appreciate others' views on his music and try to learn from others.

[jayx8318x]

Reading the latest message from Jay about the whole car ordeal (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21633) with Patty pissed me off. OK dude, when someone asks you whether you bought the car or not, how hard is it to say YES or NO. So wth is he mouthing off about the "dogs" for if this other dude bought the car under his own name for Patty -- as Patty's mother requested for her own protection. Isn't he just causing more drama for himself by not answering the question in the first place?

And he said he would clarify it, but only at the right time? wth again...so the right time is when the dogs start bringing the innocent 3rd party into the game, so you can rant about it to your fans. Do you think we care Jay? Do you really? It's him taking the time to write "messages" to his fans about retarded stuff like this that pisses me off. Tell us why your music is starting to suck Jay! Not another rant about the dogs *rolls eyes outta my head*

</end Jay rant of the day>

[joyangel]

woah! i think jay had changed a lot over the years.... i prefer him to be the quiet, humble guy and the camera-shy one. but now, although he is opening up, he seems to be talking more crap than fact. he seems to be over-confident and arrogant and as if he can always rely on his fans to buy and support him. but he is not improving. and one day, down the road in 2 or 3years time, he will lose his tittle of 'little heavenly king' IF he choose not to change. he should spend more time on his music and like some of you, i dun mind if he spents a longer time in releasing his album of it is up to HIGH quality just like his firsst 3 albums.

---end of rant---

[rachelle03]

I love this thread.

First, he must learn how to say Yes and No through some language course. Eg. Patty-relationship issue from the start to the end, there's no certain answer! And poor girl had to smile sweetly and do the answering for him! And the ego man just end the day with "I love music. Music is important. Others are not important." You are a man, not a saint. Saying you don't need love on headlines of papers, ah ha, I just want to say, "You deserved the break up from Patty." He just need to change his attitude towards love. What's so wrong about announcing you like her! Like what pet had mentioned, I admired the one who held a press conference back then.
Okay, shall not dabble into his personal relationship then. And his sudden outburst personality against his shy days, I don't find anything wrong with that. If he's so shy throughout the years in his same ever familiar industry, he must have been a gay.

His music.
Happily awaiting the albums and treat the albums like some free hotcakes given away on a cold morning... that was like, years ago. Now it's just another new album to listen to. I was listening to SF this morning when I just realised a thing. All his fast songs are getting typical. Rap, rap, rap in a low tone and then a singing chorus. What? Is he getting too close to Wilbur Pan? (Okay, offended Wilbur's fans) On the contrary, Qian Li Zhi Wai seems better. Why? It sound like a song. Don't let me start on the slow songs. They sound alike. Just so alike. I don't mind him not changing but at least get a different rythmn to it.

His movies.
What's the deal with the basketball movie?! I still don't get it. It just seems like some cheesy pop movie. I wasn't interested from the beginning when news of the Golden Armour movie was out. Til now, I'm still not interested on when the movie is showing or whatever. I bet he grabbed it just because it's a rare chance. One initial D is a try and something interesting. That's it. Nothing more is good. And directing! Can someone please stopped him? A Lan Se Feng Bao MV is bad enough to ruin the whole few minutes of the song. If he's that busy to come up with a proper theme for the MV, don't do it! Or not, I rather he do the Ti Tian way, the self-cam seems so MUCH better.

I missed Kuang Sheng (MV director).

[qinshihuang]

I missed Kuang Sheng (MV director).

yeah. even tho the jay-directed MVs are usually ok to good (altho the ones for "lan se feng bao" and "ni lin" were humongous crap), his best MVs are still done by kuang sheng. in fact, i think jay-directed MVs for non-jay songs ("xiao shi" and "jia" for nqmm, etc) seem to be better than the ones for his own songs. i think this is another case of jay-should-just-leave-it-to-the-pros. i mean, i won't say he shouldn't branch out AT ALL, but he really should sort out his priorities and understand his own strengths.

i think there is a serious lack of ppl in jay's life that can act as a buffer and really say "no, this thing you did actually sucks" to his face. i think he surrounds himself with a bunch of suck-ups (ex. dan tou & nqmm... altho dan tou does get mad when jay abuses him during MV filming) and ppl who are too timid or low-profile to offer him their honest and brutal opinions. i think he's branching out at full force because all these ppl are always telling him "yeah, cool, go for it, thats diao" (sadly, i'm starting to respond to jay's usage of "diao" on a similar level as paris hilton's "that's hot"), because he's jay and you need to keep jay happy. or something like that. there just seems to be nothing/nobody right now that's keeping jay chou in check and helping to deflate his ego.

and speaking of critics, i think there are two really horrible ways artists can choose to deal with the media and critics: (A) manipulate your own work in order to please everyone or (B) gear your work toward spiting or retaliating against the critics. it's obvious that jay doesn't go the way of A), but i'm detecting way too strong a (B) flavor from him recently. a lot of fans seem to think the "si mian chu ge" song was "cool," but my reaction was kinda like "wait, why am i paying for this album to hear you complain?" same thing with "hong mo fang" of still fantasy. neither song offered any revelations, both were completely out of context, and both were musically weak. also, i agree with a lot of you that he's just digging a deeper hole for himself by making all those retaliatory comments against critics saying he hasn't changed. like some of you already said, time is eventually going to catch up to jay, and he would be left behind if he doesn't leap forward, and all this exchange with his critics is really, really getting old. maybe it's not his intention, but these days i can't help but feel like he's making same-sounding songs just to spite the critics. right now, jay seems like the only one that's constantly making a ruckus with his critics. other artists like leehom let their music do the talking. i definitely don't believe leehom is more talented than jay, but jay could learn a few things from him.

with all that said, there are still a couple of tracks on still fantasy that were fresh, outstanding, and made me feel that he's "still got it." it's just that... jay albums used to have nine or ten tracks that were fresh and outstanding.

[petricia]

i think there is a serious lack of ppl in jay's life that can act as a buffer and really say "no, this thing you did actually sucks" to his face. i think he surrounds himself with a bunch of suck-ups (ex. dan tou & nqmm... altho dan tou does get mad when jay abuses him during MV filming) and ppl who are too timid or low-profile to offer him their honest and brutal opinions. i think he's branching out at full force because all these ppl are always telling him "yeah, cool, go for it, thats diao" (sadly, i'm starting to respond to jay's usage of "diao" on a similar level as paris hilton's "that's hot"), because he's jay and you need to keep jay happy. or something like that. there just seems to be nothing/nobody right now that's keeping jay chou in check and helping to deflate his ego.


I sincerely feel so! There is a thin line between a friend who helps and encourages you and a foe who digs your grave. Sucking up to Jay doesn't help him. Yes... He is the 'prince/king' of Asia. However, he really need another authority figure to guide him and tell him... "you need to curb your temper"/ "you need to get Kuang Sheng to shoot your MV"/ "you need to go on an EQ enhancement course"/ "you need to get a real stylist"/ "you are not going to be Heavenly king forever" etc.

And... like what jayx8318x has said...

It is just a damn car! Just clear the incident up! Why must you get your friend involved before you are willing to say 'Yes' or 'No'?

At times, I wonder does Jay listens to anyone now... I really doubt that Mdm Ye (a.k.a. Jay's mum) will be so senseless to not stop her son from digging his own grave (erm.. in the entertainment world)

It is okay to rant at the paparazzis occasionally... to do it too often, it is just pure whinings... Of course, the paparazzis get on our nerves too. However at times, I really feel that if Jay hadn't provoked them, or at least try to find a way to resolve the matter privately, we will get more positive news about him...

You just can't blame the 'dogs' for everything, Jay. What goes round comes round (I hope I am right using this... phase)

[hisashiluv14]

i think there is a serious lack of ppl in jay's life that can act as a buffer and really say "no, this thing you did actually sucks" to his face. i think he surrounds himself with a bunch of suck-ups (ex. dan tou & nqmm... altho dan tou does get mad when jay abuses him during MV filming) and ppl who are too timid or low-profile to offer him their honest and brutal opinions. i think he's branching out at full force because all these ppl are always telling him "yeah, cool, go for it, thats diao" (sadly, i'm starting to respond to jay's usage of "diao" on a similar level as paris hilton's "that's hot"), because he's jay and you need to keep jay happy. or something like that. there just seems to be nothing/nobody right now that's keeping jay chou in check and helping to deflate his ego.


That's exactly what I was thinking when Still Fantasy first came out and I started getting super irritated with him. Of course, I was thinking more along the lines of, "I should be friends with him NOW so that I can tell him what to do!" but the sentiment's more or less the same.

The basketball movie thing is abysmally stupid. I'm only looking forward to Curse of the Golden Flower because it's a Zhang Yimou film.

Also, even though I got Still Fantasy last Friday, I haven't been bothered to watch the DVD and so I haven't seen any of his new MVs, until today when I chanced upon his Ye De Di Qi Zhang MV on MTV. I don't have much to say about the MV itself save for my sincere opinion that Yi Fu Zhi Ming's is much, MUCH better, because I really didn't care too much for it. What made me laugh in disbelief, however, is the "opening credits" - "written and directed by Jay Chou". Maybe it's just me but maaaan, this dude has a huge-ass ego.

I don't have any idea what the car fiasco is about and I tried reading his message but he doesn't seem to know that there's this thing called punctuation and so I gave up halfway. Whatever.

[jazzy_kan@yahoo.com.sg]

i used to REALLy admire him and his music style and everything but gradually i feel he is getting arrogant and the way he talks to hosts brings a little arrogance as well.. his mumblings used to be unique but i feel now it is irritating.. i cannot hear him at all.. and i have to rely on the subtittles to understand wat he says....booo

[lattae]

I don't think anyone is in the position to keep him grounded. It's like he's chosen to surround himself who'd say things that sounds good to his ears.

I have this thing against Dan tou. He's like one idiotic dog. I am sorry, but he is.

[zhoudaoyan]

umm would just like to say...

that i think its actually because of Jay's own attitude towards the paparazzi and the way he acts and the way he answers questions that MAKES the paparazzi more attracted to him and more eager to make rumours about him..

i mean,, other artists like leehom and david tao and stuff are famous too.. and even like.. leehom and tanya chua took photos hugging and kissing each other on the cheek after they won trophies and stuff.. but NO ONE made a rumour about that..

its jay's own fault, very subtly, that there are so many rumours and a huge big mess about stuff that he's done. he creates webs for himself...

[cacky]

I have this thing against Dan tou. He's like one idiotic dog. I am sorry, but he is.

I agree with you ... it's precisely due to people like him that fuels Jay's egoistic nature. Maybe we should start an Anti-Dan Tou thread. Hahhaha.

Honestly, I hate the way Jay insults Dan Tou publicly sometimes. Even though everyone he knows thinks it's a joke but I find that he's carrying it too far. Noticed it during the [Guo Guang Bang Bang Mang] show last year when they were playing that mini basketball game.

[jay_ed]

ok...it took me so long to read through this thread....so finally..i decided to put in my 2 cents worth...

i have to say..i kinda agree with you guys...

ok...firstly..i have to say...i used to HATE jay when he first came out...coz i used to think.."what is with this guy that cant sing clearly..and all the songs sound the same??"....and coz of the mumbling...i never really used to listen to the song all the way through...or bothered to look at the lyrics...

i FELL IN LOVE with jay..after my friend asked me to watch the movie "Hidden Track" (Finding Jay Chou)....i just totally fell in love with the 2 songs.."Track" and "Broken String"...for both their lyrics and how simple and catchy the melody was...

then...i started listening to all his old songs..and finally realised how good they were....

then QLX came out...and i thought it was a reallyd good cd too....i liked pretty much the whole album (but seems like not a lot of people here thinks that...)
then..November's Chopin came out..and i thought ok..this is quite good...then Still Fantasy....

ok..firstly..i DO NOT like how he played on Fantasy....i mean..come on..you're jay chou..you have better creativity than that....and some of the songs are jut plain wierd...i think personally..in this CD...he's tried to change is singing style..and i dont really like it..

i mean...what happened to the "it's my trademark for mumbling in my songs"...and "i wont change for people that criticise" ??...the last song..which is meant for the movie The Curse of the Golden Flower?...i believe there was news saying "For Zhang YiMou Jay no longer mumbles"....ok..i used to believe that if he's mumbling..i will have NO IDEA what he is singing..and it annoyed me...so i just look up the lyrics...this song...it took me SOOO long to believe that it was actually a jay song..[coz i downloaded...as i am waiting for a friend to send the cd over]...

so despite what jay says...he has changed his style

lastly..i was thinking...i like a lot of jay songs becoz of thy lyrics and how he portrays his feelings when he sings the songs...so in conclusion..i think without Vincent Fang...Jay Chou wouldnt be around for much longer

[ene]

Honestly, I hate the way Jay insults Dan Tou publicly sometimes. Even though everyone he knows thinks it's a joke but I find that he's carrying it too far. Noticed it during the [Guo Guang Bang Bang Mang] show last year when they were playing that mini basketball game.

Funny you say that because I share the same sentiments. It's like why are you making fun of "your friend" in public and making him look stupid?! :rolleyes: That's not a friend, is it? Friends don't do that!

I believe lattae nailed it rather aptly when she called him a dog.

[milkified]

I noticed that his characteristics have changed a lot lately. His words are more and more insulting nowadays. Eventhough he said he doesn't mean this and that, the fact is that his words are very insulting and hurt other people's feelings. He takes them like jokes but sometimes not all the things can be treated as jokes. There's a borderline. He's acting weirder on each show I watched. I feel like switching the channel when I see him on TV nowadays because I can't stand his attitude.

[hil_sky]

Man, his fame is killing or killed him. </3 After reading the Anti Dan Tou thread, I'm starting to dislike him more. We should translate this thread into Chinese and send it to him. It's really sad to see a music talent leaving for movies.

[smarks]

I have this thing against Dan tou. He's like one idiotic dog. I am sorry, but he is.

HAHAHA OMG that was freaking funny.. hahaha. Personally, I think NQMM are uhh all suck-ups. Sometimes, the comments they make leads to even more confusion and the paparazzi having a field day over their ambigous comments. Oh wells.

[lattae]

I was watching some older clips of Jay and really.. I think someone should tell him this:
Speak less, no one wants to know all that you are thinking. Just be the man of few words that you once were and was good at. You're a lot more adorable then.

[whozthat]

oh well. after reading so many, i hate to admit but i agree.

which proves why i no longer like jay anymore. but i like being a jc-net member though i set this account back in 2003 (: at that time i truly loved jay. his music, his passion, his talent. i loved his album "Fantasy" and even before that, "Jay" when i heard long juan feng [Tornado] and Jian Dan Ai [Simple Love]. at that time i have reasons to believe that he purely wanted to make good music. now, i have reasons to believe that he purely WANTS to make good money. what has become of the jay that we all once adored? where did all the passion go? did the fame and money made him an arrogant hypocrite?

oh well. but i still like his music and i admit it. (: it's still pretty good though now less interesting, and err, less "true". but fans are getting blinded. adoring jay seemed to have become part of the "fashion". if you dont buy or listen to jay, you're lousy. i'm starting to wonder whether people like jay just because he's jay.

music wise, i think there are many songs which are better than his. but well, he IS jay. thats why others fail to appreciate the rest.

oh well, jay won't survive long anyway. meanwhile we shall all just be nice supporters and look forward to every album he releases to get nice music! who knows it might just be his last!

and for angry supporters -like me- [what an irony], listen to his first CD and you'll find your love coming back! :P

[cacky]

I don't think it's greed for money but more of giving opportunities to himself to boost his ego. The more popular he is, the greater authority he has to call the shots as 周董. This ego is killing him and totally getting on my nerves, he totally doesn't care about how others feel.

Like lattae said, if he just talks less and maintains his shy demeanour, he's defiitely more likeable. Nowadays ... he just shares whatever that's on his mind, thinking that is good EQ. His publicist ought to teach him a thing or two.

Another thing that totally irritates me is that in all his recent interviews, he KEEEPS HARPING on gossip and tabloids and paparazzis. I am SO SICK AND TIRED OF IT! Can't he just talk more about his album and share about what's been going on in his life?!

[Winston]

Well i mean, everyone will have their times, and i think it's inevitable for an artist to eventually branch off in other domains and totally neglect their pieces of work. I know it's a trade-off but hey, i think most artists nowadays solely survive on all the support from the ads they do for companies, and i think that's really where the money's at. Realistically if you think about, over the past decade is there really any real artists who are really passionate about their music all the way? Not to say everyone's like that, but i think it's just about conforming to what the world wants. Fans want their favourite artist prancing around looking like a monkey, i guess they'll do that; at the end of the day it really is an occupation. I also think that with the fame Jay has right now, he'll obviously want to exploit it and get every penny he can, not every artist lasts, they may be remembered but their popularity dies down eventually and then becomes overriden by someone new.

[shawn yue]

just one thing i dont really like. i dont really like how he always talks about these paparazis but i think that he wants the attention so he can be on the newspapers so more people will know him.

[smarks]

Yes, I agree with whozthat. I've been with Jay since his very first album and when you listen to that pure R&B music again with the cute little mumbling and that camera-shy face, you can really rediscover your love for Jay.

How sad.

[ekyec]

His lost his sincerity, desire for perfectionism and overall passion towards music.
How rare is it now to hear him excitedly speak about new inspirations, the story behind the composition of a song, it even seems like he hardly performs and plays the piano as much as he used to.

What drew me in to him initially, was his enthusiasm and love for song writing, he used to spend a good part of the year researching, sleeping at the studio finishing songs but now he fits this in between acting in movies or advertisment, functions. Music's become his second priority, ironic, when it was the thing that brough him fame.
Fans who have listened to every album will know he has great talent as a musician and can make music that is bursting in freshness and unique. I've hung onto the hope that he'll come out with something but as time progresses, it seems like his become even more distant with music. I still hope though. It is saddening to see someone that you thought could change the chinese music industry with some real music, just mudslide into all the other rubbish, that is, manufactured pop and treat music as a business which is just pure disrespect to the art form, even if it is for a popular audience and especially being a musician a student of music himself.

There hasn't really been any recent songs I can play repeatedly and still notice new vocal layering/sounds/instrumentals in the background and be drawn in.
He has definitely not tried hard enough to use his ability and project it through each album release.

I won't even go beyond this to comment on his attitude outside of music.

But anyway, I want him to stop composing for a year or so, and come back when he refreshes himself, and realise that without music, he will crumple into nothingness or just blend into the crowd as he is now. Sadly, he seems to have become rather arrogant and I doubt he will see this unless his album sales drop dramatically or something. gah. and maybe then, he'll retreat to music in order to save his 'face'.

He hasn't put his heart and soul into this music for a while now, and no matter how great your musical talent is, this lack of sincerity is reflected into the music, and serious listeners can hear this and we won't be convinced or touched with by it.

[chu_bear]

i say that sometimes jay isn't the most fashionable guy on the block
http://www.etpop.com/images/etpop/20040928033804.jpg
sometimes bad hair days..
http://www.fishjava.com/img/eac5b190/1a988e79930618318fd3.jpg
and i hate this goth look....
http://www.lovesroom.cn/UploadFiles/oldpic/200581312818.jpg
not perfect...not god
and those are just some proofs...

:D ofcouse there are so many cute pics to counter...i know i know..

[hisashiluv14]

I like the eyeliner look actually, but I hate the goatee. I saw him recently on MTV Chinese's karaoke programme and he was sporting the goatee and I wanted to shave it off. In fact he has the ugly goatee in the Bai Se Feng Che MV which bloody annoys me.

In fact, I think his fashion sense sucks. Whenever I see a flowery men's shirt that's obviously and garishly beng, I'd go, "Oh look, a Jielun shirt." Remember the shirt he wore when he sang Qi Li Xiang for his Singapore Incomparable concert? I can't remember if he wore the same shirt in the Taipei concert but yeah, it was this ugly flowery shirt that's just...ugly.

And he likes to wear grandpa sunglasses. UGH why does he insist on making himself look like a joke?

[lattae]

why does he insist on making himself look like a joke?
I guess he's a little too dim to be aware of that :rolleyes:

Actually it's more like he's so full of himself that he thinks he'd look good with anything... wait... more like he can make anything look good.

The hoards of fangirls licking up every scrap of Jay just doesn't help.

[zhangpei]

boy...i just don't feel the X-factor thing in him anymore, he's becoming more and more mediocre...HELP!SOME ONE HAS ABDUCTED JIE LUN!

[hisashiluv14]

The hoards of fangirls licking up every scrap of Jay just doesn't help.

Gah. Fangirls should die.

I remember there was this one time Life! ran a story on the Taiwanese ah beng and Jay was mentioned somewhere in the article. At first I didn't think he was taike at all, but nowadays, I don't think I've seen a more taike artiste out of Taiwan than Jay Chou. I saw him on MTV's Gimme 5 and GAWD his dressing was atrocious. And I thought it was hilarious how he was saying something about Chinese music being better than Japanese and Korean music and yet in his Ben Cao Gang Mu MV he was prancing around like boybands do and was gesturing like American hip-hoppers do. He's really not very bright.

[shez]

i have to admit his music is getting worse and worse. i remember when he first came out. i listened to him because his music drew me into his world. now all i see is MP3s and a LOT of commercials for Pepsi and phones.

Pepsi + toothpaste?!?! that's like chalk and cheese!!!

[beyOnd aLL reasOn]

His music isn't necessarily getting worse, it's just stagnant. Which, in the music world, relative to getting worse.

I think Jay knows his popularity is going down though, why else would he name this album Still Fantasy?
It's like a HUGE REMINDER "LOOK! I'M STILL JAY CHOU, I'M STLL TOTALLY AWESOME."
Yeah, Fantasy was awesome...it's still awesome for that matter...but no one wants to buy the same CD twice.

[fajitapita]

^ i totally agree about the still fantasy thing.. he keeps saying he doesn't care about what ppl say abt his music, his own style is his own style.. but he's someone who loves face and the "still fantasy" title was kinda like a reflection of that side of him.

i'm just frustrated in that he doesn't seem to care about the music anymore.. instead of using it as a creative outlet, he's directing it elsewehere. i notice how he keeps mentioning how being a director's the main goal for him right now. i think the fame and popularity really got to him, making him think that his music is good enough as it is.

[ene]

American hip-hoppers do. He's really not very bright.

:lolabove: That was funny. And I have to add that when I first saw that MV, I was truly truly appalled. I actually took a double take to reconfirm that it's Jay Chou. Like WTF IS HE DOING?!!

That must take the cake for most insane MV ever done by Mr Chou.

[sushii]

Gah. Fangirls should die.
I remember there was this one time Life! ran a story on the Taiwanese ah beng and Jay was mentioned somewhere in the article. At first I didn't think he was taike at all, but nowadays, I don't think I've seen a more taike artiste out of Taiwan than Jay Chou. I saw him on MTV's Gimme 5 and GAWD his dressing was atrocious. And I thought it was hilarious how he was saying something about Chinese music being better than Japanese and Korean music and yet in his Ben Cao Gang Mu MV he was prancing around like boybands do and was gesturing like American hip-hoppers do. He's really not very bright.

my thoughts exactly!!!
i thought he said that he doesn't want to learn english or have anything to do with it(correct me if i'm wrong) but then why is he adopting english names for his song mvs..like twilight chapter seven at the end it was like "i know who it is but i can't tell" in ENGLISH!!...hmm is our little jay eating his own words??:tongue:

[hisashiluv14]

sushii, are you talking about the MV from the DVD? Haha I STILL haven't got round to watching it. It's the first bonus DVD/VCD of his that I've not watched, ever. And I don't think I'd ever watch it; I just can't be bothered.

The other day I was saying to my friend that I hope everyone starts downloading Still Fantasy so that his sales will drop, and since he seems to care only about his album sales, that may wake him up and make him focus on his music and not stupid things like directing a movie starring Nan Quan Mama. I mean, seriously. That's just retarded.

And I have to add that when I first saw that MV, I was truly truly appalled. I actually took a double take to reconfirm that it's Jay Chou. Like WTF IS HE DOING?!!

YEAH EXACTLY! My mom saw it too and she was like, "Why are there ghosts? What do ghosts have to do with Chinese medicine?" I still haven't figured out the ghost part. I mean the jiangshi part, well, it's because the lyrics contain the line 'xiao jiang shi dun' or whatever it is, which kind of makes sense but it's still super random and doesn't really fit with the whole Chinese medicine thing.

AND did you see the 'zhou' stamped on the shirt that he and his dancers were wearing? Oh my god. Can his ego get any bigger? I won't even get started on that huge and ugly Jay Chou backdrop he and his dancers were dancing in front of. And I hope he never tries to dance again because he bloody cannot dance. Period.

I think Jay knows his popularity is going down though

Actually, I think the sad thing is, he's still as popular as ever. Still Fantasy has been #1 on MTV Chinese's top 20 thingy for four weeks and basically if there's some sort of chart or ranking, he's right on top of it. I'm really, really anti-music piracy, but for once I'm inclined to support the pirates.

[akane_chou]

i used to be really happy when his album came out and when Still Fantasy was leaked out [of course i downloaded it, what are you thinking?!] i wasnt that worried as i was inclined to last time. i didnt really like the songs and i mentioned it to twilighthush. she replied that it'll grow on her and i tried to listen to it more often but it doesnt offer that kick anymore. [but i still kinda like Qian Li Zhi Wai although it gets repetitive after a while]

i admit i am the kind that defends Jay when my parents say that he's chanting but after a while, i just dont have that enthusiasm anymore.

i've been kinda keeping it to myself so that Karyn doesnt think im betraying Jay or anything but i dont have those phases i used to have when jay came out with a new album. sure he makes me laugh but not like the old Jay. i was thinking it was the new celeb guy i've been into; Lee Jun-gi but i guess im wrong.

kinda sad to find out im wrong.

[smilepiggy]

to be honest, much as i'd defend jay in front of other critics, i do miss the old him and the fantasy album that really started my liking for him and his music.

nowadays when i see him, it doesnt feel as 'jay' anymore, simply cos he's so much more verbal. perhpas the right to be vocal in the media comes with success, but i hope its not making him cocky. i seldom look to his news anymore cos its distracting. i'd rather bury myself in good music and choose to ignore other sides of him (like the mutliple rumors).

we all need good music. focus!

[jay_fantasy8]

ahhh. i'm kinda expecting this thread to pop up. x)

YEA. the name of his newest album 'still fantasy' just gave me an impression that he's teaching us the value of 3Rs (reuse recycle reserve) into our heads. yes i understand our teachers always tell us about the 3Rs. come on, this is the music industry where his forte lies, but after listening to his newest album i just completely feel that he lose his touch in composing and his originality is slowly draining up. after a few spins of that cd i was already losing a lil' interest of it. i don't know. i still remember in 2002, i was totally addicted to his fantasy album, an album which i can listen again and again yet each time when it plays it really refreshes the whole album. x)

maybe he should focus all his attention, energy, mind on his music. cause i feel that the lastest albums are really lacking something. it was like, he didnt put in his heart and soul into each and every songs. x) even though he said he did. haha. oh please, i agree with some of you guys that he should just forget about acting.

hmm, i remembered watching the ASOS Yu Le Bai Fen Bai on jay playing basketball with xiao zhu and gang. ahh, i was pretty disappointed with him, i don't know why. the part when geng hong acccidentally pulled down the basketball net or something, jay could have help in fixing that thing! >< i mean, i saw the others trying to get that thingy fixed up there, and when the camera turns to jay, he was like a superstar, walking around, staring here and there, waiting for the net to be fixed. OK. maybe i'm just over-reacting. so, and when he lost to xiaozhu's team it was obvious that he lost and had to do the punishment but yet he wanted another round with xiaozhu. ahh. i was like, where's your sportsmanship jay? ><

plus i was pretty mad when he didnt bother telling where his autograph sessions were held, the alfamusic website for the fans to check out the details and all, in the ASOS show. (JAY : i know that you're really famous but you can't expect anyone to go to your autograph session or buy your album when you didn't show any enthusiasm in sharing your passion, your music.)

there's alot more to rant but i have to mug for my exams.

i <3 jay still, but i really really miss the old him when he had that hair curls, and composing music where his passion was almost distinguishable. now, it's like for the sake of earning his millions. or selling the upgraded versions of his previous albums (even though i feel that it works opposite --> downgrading) to his die-hard fans.

[cacky]

hmm, i remembered watching the ASOS Yu Le Bai Fen Bai on jay playing basketball with xiao zhu and gang. ahh, i was pretty disappointed with him, i don't know why. the part when geng hong acccidentally pulled down the basketball net or something, jay could have help in fixing that thing! >< i mean, i saw the others trying to get that thingy fixed up there, and when the camera turns to jay, he was like a superstar, walking around, staring here and there, waiting for the net to be fixed. OK. maybe i'm just over-reacting. so, and when he lost to xiaozhu's team it was obvious that he lost and had to do the punishment but yet he wanted another round with xiaozhu. ahh. i was like, where's your sportsmanship jay? ><

Nah, you're not over-reacting ... I too agreed with you that I was disgusted by that behaviour ... why wasn't he helping with the rest? Was it becoz' if he did offer to help then media will again write that he could help out and doesn't have spinal problems and create one whole crap story again? But if he can do the dance he did in the [Herbalist Manual] MV, even the handstand, then what is simple task like helping out with the rest so difficult with?

Anyway, he's too cautious in front of the media, think he'll suffer from a breakdown one of these days. By then it'll be too late. And yeah ... what's with doing the punishment.

I felt so embarrassed watching him shrug off the punishment ... I mean, is this what a guy should be doing? He should own up for losing and not think of 'creative' ways to avoid it.

[shawn yue]

lol i too was watching the same video and i was like "how come jay isnt helping everyone else with the net?" i just watched as everyone was bringing down the net while jay was standing around watching them.

[JayMatrix]

Damn it. He's about to star in another movie! I hope he doesn't accept it.

And there's another thing I noticed, when he introduces Twilight Chpt Seven on radio, he sort of emphasize that no one has done a song about detectives blah blah blah and the same goes for Herbalist Manual (he talked about how no one ever wrote about medicine). Why can't he just let his music do the talking?

[smarks]

AND did you see the 'zhou' stamped on the shirt that he and his dancers were wearing? Oh my god. Can his ego get any bigger? I won't even get started on that huge and ugly Jay Chou backdrop he and his dancers were dancing in front of.


Haha don't get me started on all the indiscreet Jay Chous he planted all around his album cover and sleeves. God, is there anybody more. narcissistic than him? And I don't know, but since he's so banal against western culture, why is he still going to western countries to do his MVs and using English:rolleyes: in his mvs? Why not some nice scenic China for us now, Jay?

And I just can't stand him acting cool at the basketball match with XiaoZhu. It seems cool, but seriously, it gets sickening after a while. And that hideous black bandana with the tails and that hideous purple jersey. He just can't have more understated charm, can he?

[yukiko]

what this thread for?
anti the sell out jay? or for his ego?
i think some of you might be have ruin the party

[Singerchick]

what this thread for?
anti the sell out jay? or for his ego?
i think some of you might be have ruin the party

They are interrelated.

His ego is a partial reason he is selling out isn't it?


why is he still going to western countries to do his MVs and using English:rolleyes: in his mvs? Why not some nice scenic China for us now, Jay?
And I just can't stand him acting cool at the basketball match with XiaoZhu. It seems cool, but seriously, it gets sickening after a while. And that hideous black bandana with the tails and that hideous purple jersey. He just can't have more understated charm, can he?

I think it's one thing to be proud to be chinese, but after hearing his song "red imitation" in his album, I just have this feeling that he's hating on non-chinese people. It's kind of like the whole Aryan thing, but reversed. Which makes me angry because I am American and I am Chinese, and that's who I am. I'm a mixture of both cultures, so in a sense I feel he's attacking part of me.

Also I really dislike his inconsistency, here you have him dissing the western culture and half his MVs are filmed in Western countries with WESTERN ACTRESSES. I mean seriously, can you get any more hypocritical than that?

I think what's happening to Jay is, in the begining he was 1/2 business man 1/2 musician, and now the business man part of him is taking over.

The only thing that is keeping me from completely bashing his head in is his older songs, whenever I hear those my heart goes soft and reminisces of my admiration for him float back...

[littlefishie]

The sad thing is that his ego is not gonna stop growing, especially since Curse of the Golden Flower is heading for the Oscars... ><

Argh... No wonder I've been liking Leehom more these days... If music is his so-called passion, then how can he let other things get in the way of making true music? Where is his musician pride?

[smarks]

Yeah I get you.. There's a difference between being proud of your culture and being prejudiced against one's culture. I am Chinese and I love being Chinese and I am proud to be Chinese! But that doesn't stop me from learning English and liking English movies and music. That's not called grovelling to others' culture, but respecting and admiring another's culture. Isn't that what Jay is trying to get others to do, to respect Chinese culture? How can others respect the Chinese culture he endorses so fervently when he can't even attempt to respect and understand others' culture? That I'll never get. It's precisely because the world is a multicultural place that makes it beautiful and exciting. Besides, I really don't get how he's going to make the Western world take him seriously and pay attention to him. Seriously, I don't think the majority of them listen to Chinese music and I'm very sure they can't understand him at all (seeing that he doesn't speak English), so how is he going to command their respect? The probelm with Jay is not about him being so earnest over Chinese culture, but his ignorance in thinking that there can be no overlapping with cultures.

I replied in the news thread about Jay probably getting more egoistic after knowing about the Oscar Nom. And gotten lambasted by other fans because of that. Seriously, I respect their opinions, but that's really an inevitable thing. Give me a good album next year, Jay, please make me like you again.

[happifruit]

I admit that I was partially one of those "eat it all up like fodder" fans that Karen mentioned, but that was two albums ago.

I started at YHM and I backtracked to his first three albums. At that time I really didn't like him much, but I was very impressed with his soft, sentimental ballads from Album Jay and the R&B Fantasy, and I really liked his change and maturity in 8th Dimension and YHM. I liked QLX -- the was the first album where I enjoyed the rapping as much as the singing-- but last year when November's Chopin came out I started to sense something wrong. Usually I like over half the album on the first listen, but November's Chopin took over 5 listens for any song other than Nocturnes to stick, and this new Still Fantasy took a good 10, and I've already stopped listening to it. The entire album I thought was actually worse than November's Chopin, especially with some of the ballads where he sounds like he just woke up and recorded the track half-ass. The thing I hated the most about these last two albums is the fact that ANY of the songs can easily fit into his first 5 albums. Stagnant is right.

I thought that I was the only person on the face of the planet who thought that Initial D actually SUCKED. I was so shocked and disappointed that he won best newcomer...I couldn't figure out what it was for. Throughout the entire movie I saw maybe 3 expressions on his face altogether, and to be honest there was nothing challenging about his character either. I couldn't understand why everyone was saying "Oh he did such a good job and totally brought out the character!!" He brought out nothing.

One thing that really irks me about him is the fact that he has become cockier and cockier. My sister thinks that it's because he feels that he has the right to be cocky now that he's this huge 'Heavenly King', but what happened to that shy, quiet Jay from 4 years ago? I don't like seeing him act like a big shot in front of the camera all the time, and continually shitting on Vincent about not handing in lyrics on time. Everytime he talks about Vincent I feel so sorry for him.

I also HATE the way he disrespects his girlfriends or his rumoured girlfriends by continually denying and avoiding. Nobody likes their other half to deny that they are together, and for Jay to come out and say "Yes, I am dating ____" is the barest respect that he can give her. I don't know if it's to protect her or to protect his own image of being untouchable, but I was so beyond disappointed when him and Patty were over and he STILL didn't come out to say "Yes it's over." You have the balls to treat her like this and none to own up to it?

I hope I made sense......

[lezliee]

Hmmm...I've never really thought of it this way, but now that I think about it, Jay is sort of a mainstream sell out. I mean, I love him and all, but what is up with all these commercials and ads and all that?:glug: I guess that's just his way of surviving and the price you gotta pay for being famous...Anyway, I still love him to the max, he just has to focus more on his music. I think all the publicity crap is getting in the way. I know this is his way of venting, but now all he sings about are the paparazzi interferring with his life and how everyone copies his style. I respect that, but how 'bout writing songs that actually have meaning like you used to? :wacko: Okay I'm done with my venting now. :-)

[smarks]

The entire album I thought was actually worse than November's Chopin, especially with some of the ballads where he sounds like he just woke up and recorded the track half-ass. The thing I hated the most about these last two albums is the fact that ANY of the songs can easily fit into his first 5 albums. Stagnant is right.

I thought November's Chopin was mediocre already. But now, it sounds like a dream compared to Still Fantasy. I think I listened to Still Fantasy for a total of what, 4 times? When usually, I listen to all his albums for safely more than 8-10 times at least. I still am listening to his old songs. There were still some pretty ballads in November's Chopin, though very very typical Jay ballads. But look at the ballads in his latest album. It was the first time I thought Jay is really losing his touch. And it's heartbreaking, it really is. Because when I listened to all his previous albums, I could find myself liking him all over again.


I also HATE the way he disrespects his girlfriends or his rumoured girlfriends by continually denying and avoiding. Nobody likes their other half to deny that they are together, and for Jay to come out and say "Yes, I am dating ____" is the barest respect that he can give her. You have the balls to treat her like this and none to own up to it?
I hope I made sense......

I so DO agree with you here. Mentioned it in one of my earliest posts. LIKE HELLO. you were the one who started it and you better end it properly too. It's the most basic and decent respect to give to your girlfriend. I hate guys who just ignores everything and feign ignorance. RAH.

[beyOnd aLL reasOn]

I know this is his way of venting, but now all he sings about are the paparazzi interferring with his life and how everyone copies his style

I just wish that instead of venting about how everyone copies his style that he would let his style grow.
Sure, imitation is a form of respect, but this is getting ridiculous.
He gets a kick out of being the most original artist, but he doesn't realize that he's no longer original anymore. Everything he does is a reiteration of his past albums.

[Singerchick]

I know this is his way of venting, but now all he sings about are the paparazzi interferring with his life and how everyone copies his style.

I don't think I would be so annoyed if he wasn't such a hypocrite.

First of all he goes around saying how everyone copies his style. This might have been true a new albums back, but now he's lacking originality and his songs sound a like...so what exactly is there to copy? If he's so against copying and so for originality, then why do his recent songs lack that element?

Second of all he goes around dissing "non-chinese" cultures, then all of a sudden you see white people in his MVs. For example that white chick in his Herbalist Manuel Mv really pissed me off. Not because she was white, but because Jay so wholeheartedly disses western culture and then all of a sudden places an OUT OF PLACE white girl in his MV. .....ok....

Thirdly, he's so melodramatic when it comes to Paparrazi. I mean here he is dissing paparrazi for making a monster out of a mouse, but in reality he's doing the same thing. He blows things way out of proportion when it comes to the paparazzi. Instead of leaving things alone, he likes to scratch and irrite even the smallest annoyances....which of course does nothing but aggravate the situation.

[scarletwillow]

I'm still waiting for the Jay Chou video game.

[c_c_]

I agree with a lot of what was said. Actually, my formal introduction to Jay's music was in the form of his November's Chopin. I loved the title and I loved the music - there were about ten uber pretty ballads. now, I just started listening to Still Fantasy and there were only three songs that I truly enjoyed: JuHuaTai, QianLiZhiWai, and TingMamaDeHwa. all the others were insufferably mediocre. also the spreading into other industries. my firm belief is that artists should stick to one or two fields that they are truly good at. for jay, it is definitely singing and composition. movie making - nuh uh. I was not for Patty Hou going into singing, appalled when I found out that Alec Shu sang, and I feel the same with Jay. One or two movies, maybe. but if this continues ... I will be sorely disappointed.

[lanny]

i dont have much to complian about Jay, because I am soo0o0 usta him. There wasnt really much that I've found bad except just a few. 1st off, would be the Patty Hou thingy...it didnt really piss me off..but more like a lil dissappointment, then again, Jay already said that he is NOT good with relationships..so..that explains it. and 2nd would just be, like how everyone said muchhhhhh earlier in the thread, Jay is gettin more n more "overly" ambitious. I like him, when hes humble n care for others feelings..but nowadays, he makes fun of others to the full extent..its funny n all..but just too mean..almost..basically, Jay should watch out what hes sayin before he says it.....
wow...i hafta actually go through the posts..to find somethin that I dont like bouts Jay...! thats sad..but then again..gotta say it..i love jay...n its never too much!

[cacky]

I had this conversation before with a fellow JC.netter ... For quite a while ... people couldn't understand why I was so upset when I found out Jay went out with Patty ... they thought that I was jealous of their relationship that's why I started getting upset with the Jay-Patty relationship and showed my dislikes to him more and more. But it really wasn't so much of them being together that pissed me off.

I mean, why should I be jealous? I've got a great boyfriend who loves me, why would I get jealous over someone who doesn't know me at all? Truth be told ... I was really upset simply becoz' Jay LIED!

Well, if lying is too strong a word, then perhaps it should be pure dishonesty. I couldn't understand why he couldn't have come clean about his relationship with Patty and had to let the paparazzi catch him. It was like a feeling of betrayal to me.

As a fan, I had to find out about his love life through the eyes of a paparazzi. Yes, Jay was betrayed, I felt betrayed too. Some may argue and say that it's his personal life, why should we bother so much.

But he's a celebrity! And that's a price he has to pay ... sacrifice his privacy.

I've said this many times before and I'll say it again. If he really had come clean about his relationship right from the start, perhaps, he wouldn't have reached a stage today where poor Patty has to come out to tell the world that they broke off while he continued avoiding the topic.

[milkified]

I'm starting to hate the way he humiliates his friends and steal all the limelight. I mean, he has enough fame already and he doesn't need to do that. He's making himself look like a clown as well.

I was watching some video clips with him as guest performer but I'm not going to mention which ones. I was so mad when he started to tease other people in the show and laugh over it. I find his words very sarcastic, insulting and not even funny. And of course, other people need to put up with his attitude just because he's President Chou.

I used to convince myself that it's a good thing for him to start speak up his mind but he goes overboard with that nowadays. You can't say something mean and later tell the whole world that you don't mean anything. We all know you mean something. You need to speak carefully when in public or else you'll offend many people and disappoint your fans.

Nowadays, I don't even bother to download those video clips because all I'll get is disappointment towards his attitude. Maybe he should watch his mouth or just keep quiet.

[apricot]

Omg Cacky, I'm so like you. I start to lose respect of Jay after that rumor with Patty. I'm not jealous of her, I mean it's about time Jay found someone he like and date like a normal human being. Like you, what I don't like is that he lied to us!!! That's one of the worst thing he could do to kill his fans, like me for instance. I was soo disappointed in him then. My mind just went blank when I saw the news. He can date but don't deny you're having a relationship with that someone when you are actually trying to woo her.. I saw him doing that with Hebe again. Jolin could be a victim too. Haiz, how come he can't come clean and tell us if he's dating.. He want to keep his fans but did he realise that he's killing more fans because of all those stupid rumors?

And his music, it's horrible. It's getting from bad to worse. He no longer make me go "wow' with his music. It's bland now..I can understand that it's not easy to change your style when you have already reached your peak but haiz, it's really disappointing when you are trying to expect something more from him.

[cacky]

I HATE the fact that he makes lesser and lesser TV appearance these days. Yeah, he's really popular now and probably doesn't see that much need for publicity. But he doesn't realize that other than fans in Taiwan or HK or China, the rest of the world don't really get to see him in 'real', not through fan sessions nor anything else closer to that.

And our only chance to really see him is through his TV appearance. But he does so little of that. The only thing I can about see are his MVs or his upcoming movie.

I mean, why does he have to do that now that he's popular?

[tenshi_dew]

I hate how he's trying to be known as all multi-talented. I would rather him focusing whole-heartedly in creating music, instead of acting in movies, directing MVs and being spokesperson for a million different products. Because to me, dabbling in all these different fields seems to be taking on Jay's music. For example, last year with November's Chopin and filming for Initial D.

On to November's Chopin. I don't know if it's just me, but the whole Venice photoshoot thing seemed like a big gimmick to hide the fact that the album seriously lacked good songs.

In a way, I feel sad for Jay because he has all these big expectations to live up to, yet it's becoming harder and harder for him to keep up the whole 'Asian King of Pop' image

[ankh]

Hmmm this is like the best place to vent my frustrations.
My interest in Jay's been dwindling of late, ever since he's stubbornly insisting on staying with his own style despite the criticisms. And c'mon, album sales don't prove everything!

Well I admit that I get all excited whenever his new album's due to launch but EVERYTIME I get disappointed (ever since YHM).
Not that his songs are bad but I don't feel the amount of sincerity and passion in his works anymore. Take the newest album for example, I thought the ballads were simply thrown in to fill the 10 song requirement.

Simply put, he's getting too commercialised.
And with his increasing popularity, plus some stupid awards bestowed to him *coughcoughthegoldenhorsecoughcough* which I swear was an accidental mistake, his ego's like sky high.
And somehow he thinks he's like some real president (I don't get how the company people still spoils him like that), he doesn't show respect for his friends.
Maybe he thinks it's a good joke or whatever, but putting people down in front of national tv is so mean. They are not your lackeys.

And I hated how he deals with the Patty Hou relationship.
No EQ whatsoever. Initially I was amused with the songs he wrote to diss the paparazzi, but now he needs to know his limits.
I can understand he's frustrated but dear Jay, I hope someday you will be wise enough to realise that ALL celebrities enjoy fame and wealth at the expense of their privacy. Why can some celebs take it while you can't? And if you really cannot tolerate, there's a simple solution --- go behind the scenes or give up your career. But I don't think the Jay right now has the guts to even consider that.

And I agree with some of you who's mentioned about some of his attitude and lack of tact when speaking. I haven't been catching up with his news for quite some time but once in a while I do see his news and most, if not all are negative stuff. We understand that you're probably not the shy boy as of the past but please learn to use your brains first before speaking your mind.

[retrodust__]

I guess its partly his management company's fault isn't it ? We can't blame him totally. People tend to want to overdo themselves when they know they can do better. I mean, he wants to stretch himself further and venture into film and all so that's his freedom, we should support him, after all it is a fact that he has already done and achieved more any other singer of this time. I guess i'll just have to be objective about it. It's just my two cents about this ya. No offence to anybody.

[friends_pt]

I know this is a place to "talk bad" about what you dislike about the Jay now... i do agree with all of you about current Jay not focusing in his music and all but what i can say is that, the entertainment biz is just like that. we are not in it so we can't feel the stress and the pressure the celeb face and how they handle it individually. not saying that therefore Jay had all rights to be who he is now but it might just be a way he tries to protect himself and his love ones in some way. I mean he have his own difficulties which we fans can't see. Him being a celeb not only sacrifice his freedom(n yes, he should had expected it the day he became a celeb) but the pressure by the media and being famous, he got to deal with the comparision and many many things. his been in this industry close to 7years and there's definitely changes in him which he sees as no problem as he understand more about this industry his in which we as bystanders, fans wont be able to see it unless we are in the same situation as he is. I mean which celeb can you say didn't change throughout their years in the industry. each and everyone definitely changed in one way or another. if you say that so and so celeb didnt change, i think that's just so fake of that celeb in a way. It's sort of trying to remain the person he/she is being portrait. i think if that's the case, i rather those celeb to be like Jay, get scolded by his fans but still remain how he want himself to be.

all the above are just what i think and feel... if i offended anyone, i'm hereby apologise!! sorry!!

[zhoudaoyan]

Jay chou huh..
Personally i feel.. too many endorsements haha

LESS ENDORSEMENTS!
MORE MUSIC!

xD posted before in this thread so i wont repeat myself :)

[tc9.jay]

I have nothing much to say about Jay's endorsements. They're just probably a necessary evil in the fickle mando-pop industry given the immense rate of piracy and illegal downloading in Taiwan and China, not to mention it probably makes more economic sense too. Be seen drinking Pepsi and your income increases by a hefty 1 million that sort of thing. BUT.. it becomes a bit unnerving when Jay's various endorsements start to manifest themselves in his music. It's one thing to have your song chosen for an ad and another thing to turn your song into a purely commercialised advertisment. Think Nov Chopin and 7lx.

Anyway, what really gets to me is more of the fact that Jay is becoming so C-O-N-D-E-S-C-E-N-D-I-N-G. That's right. CONDESCENDING. I absolutely hate hate hate how big and fat his bloody ego is growing. :-x And it was frustrating to say the least reading the pages of replies in this thread because I would find myself agreeing with many of the negative examples cited here. The one that really takes the cake would be the one when Jay went on 100% entertainment for a bball game. Helloooo~ What's up with those hideous, I repeat. HIDEOUS purple jerseys with that HUGE zhou splattered so unapologetically in your face? It's so ugly, and that's not even aesthetically. Who the hell is Jay Chou? He wasn't even the team captain and even though he was supposed to be there for the intent of promoting his album, he certainly couldn't be bothered. Apparently, he had enough confidence that it would sell.
And nooo.. things had to get worst from then on. When liu geng hong broke the bball hoop, Mr 'filial' Jay just stood there, arms folded neatly across his chest and watched as the others all helped. And when Show interviewed him, he had the decency to say that he thought it was very wrong of geng hong to break the hoop bcos now they couldn't carry on with their game. I had never felt so embarrassed for this guy whom I used to idolise so much.
Don't act. (!!!) Don't blabber. Don't direct. Since when has music taken a backseat? I may not like LeeHom or his music, but I admire his perseverence in making music that he believe is the very best. You can retain your style but still have breakthrough. Personally, I feel that fantasy is way overhyped. Not saying that I don't like it but just that it's overhyped. It feels like Nov Chopin. Easy-listening, extremely mainstream and chocked full of friendly radio hits. I always felt yhm was his best album but then again, music is subjective.

Occasionally, I get a brief glimpse of the old Jay. The one who was all about the music. I like the Jay who produced Hei Se You Mo and not the Jay who produced tui hou. Where's the sincerity boy?

I still like Jay and I probably would continue to do so whether out of habit or whatever but even old habits can be changed. Hopefully he'll wake up soon and find out he's not the heavenly king he thinks he is.

There's more that I would like to say but most of you guys have said it all for me so it's a comfort to know I'm not the only one who feels this way or at least, started to feel this way.

[mish]

I don't know. >< I didn't think I would ever start feeling this way about him.

But there's been disappointment recently.

=x

It's as if he's getting tired of doing things the way he used to. I didn't believe that he was cocky. >< But now I think he is..................... And it's definitely disappointing.

I miss the old Jay. Where the heck has he gone to. =S

[Saharial]

he listens too much to what others say instead of relying on his own judgement. The more you do that the less able you are to see clearly.

I amnot anti-jay, but if i met him i would tell him off for the whole ' grow out of the korean music fad' comment. You wouldn't find him telling his Japanese fans to 'grow out of a chinese music fad'. I'd also correct him that no one culture is better than another, and that he might see himself as traditional, but in truth he is not really.

I wouldn't shout though. That wouldn't be diao at all. :P I would just try to make him understand. i love his music, respect him as a performer and beacause of that I would be honest with him, even if he hated it.

[lonely_boy]

Don't blame Jay. He's just trying to find more ways to make more money to make his mother's life better...

[cuso4]

there's a little part of me that wishes for jay to fall down hard and crumble into smithereens so that he will learn. i thought he had, when he first lost some award in the GMA after winning like 3 years straight. the next year, YHM came out. and i was glad.

but now, not winning in GMA means nothing to him now. he has got the golden freakin horse and famous directors to back him up. he knows that he can't fall too badly now. so its okay to churn music that don't like have sincereity and passion(i couldn't have said it better, joyce) in them.

when Si Mian Chu Ge came out, it was cool. then all sorts of ifyoushitmei'llwriteasongforyoucozmusicstays anti songs. from paparrazi to those who imitate him etc. to the fact that its not funny anymore and it totally bastardises the entire 'rumours will go away but music stays' thing that he said years back.

it could be partly due to our changing tastes, shifts to other fandoms of j and kpop, or due to growing up and deciding to forego fangirling... but ultimately, jay has a part to be blamed in this isn't it? he has lost his appeal when he lost to his pride and money.

but no matter what, i think i'd still buy his albums and watch that stupid golden flower movie. because no matter how shitty and egoistically big headed jay turns out, he still remains in a special place in my heart.

i freakin hate him for being able to do this to us. why can't he be a little better so that its easier for us to like him? :cry:

[aznbballer]

I am quite disapointed of jay as of late.

As some have already mentioned, he has most definately grown an ego and i dislike it very much.

I also think he has lost his musical touch and that's what i'm really upset about. He used to create some of the finest pieces of music our generation will ever listen to and he really poured his heart and soul to his songs. Songs like the classic 'an jing' and others such as 'gui ji' hei si you mo' were what i thought were his best pieces. Those songs had geniune feeling in them and you could hear the pain and hardship some of his songs talk about. You would hang onto everyword, almost knowing that he really meant what he was singing. I don't think anyone else really had that. Jay had an intangible in his voice.
In 'An Jing' you could just feel what he was singing about and from his voice you could hear the sadness he was trying to sell in the song.

I think after ye hui mei, his music started to go downhill. His songs were'nt the greatest(don't get me wrong, some songs were good) because the songs no longer had that heart that jay puts in with all his previous songs. They were all extremely poppy and just had no feeling to it. Sure it sounded good, but it was very hollow.

The main reason why they were'nt great anymore was because he started to become that cocky kid that no longer believed in what he was singing about. In the ongs it almost sounded like it was a chore for him and he wasn't really enjoying it. i think that all the movies and acting has taken him away from the thing he is truly talented in, which is singing and composing songs.

'still fantasy' was a big disapointment to me because tehre wasn't really a song i really liked. 'tui hou' is a good song, but it wasn't to the standard jay used to have.

My one wish is that he'll go back to his old self when he created brilliant songs that made me enjoy music on a new level.

[topghurl]

im not COMPLETELY disappointed with jay
he has some nice songs in still fantasy
and the attitude...i think i like it coz he's more confident
and hes got the right to have an "ego" coz he REALLY is that big!!
hes even sexier now hehe

BUT...the COTGF mv...the "rocker" jay with the purple get up
waaaaaaaaah!!!!!
i cant stand it for some reason
i cant even watch d whole thing
hes trying to prove so much
i wish he would just take a break and get back to his music
that can happen...
i wish he'd surprise us with his next album

[hil_sky]

topghurl: I agree with you. The COTGF song is nice but the mv is just... o__o. That purple robe thingy, his hair and ahh! the cellphone. x__x What happened to him?! >__<;; He looks so... old now. GAAH

[Singerchick]

I was alarmed by his sales drop. He only sold 180,000 copies this year, which is a huge drop from his prime when he sold 300,000.

I was kind of disapointed that he didn't promote this year as other artists did, as if he expected his fans to buy the album just becuase it was his product, so he refused to put that extra work in. It looks like it's come back to bite him in the butt.

In addition, I remember reading that he was confident his album would break the 200,000 mark, and apparently he didn't. I hope that does something to his ego.

But then again he still broke 3 million in the rest of Asia...so I have a feeling he's not going to change much.

[jayfalc0n]

It seems that there is an overall drop in album sales in the music industry this year, and it isn't only Jay who is affected. At least, that is what I read in one of the recent articles about Jay anyway.

I don't know about him being big headed though, he doesn't talk like a cocky person, he seems humble enough in interviews and any belief in his musical abilities is confidence in himself. Other than that, maybe his nonchalance in promoting his new album does reflect that his ego is bigger now. Or he just has a LOT of faith in his fans lol.

I also think that his new songs and albums lack some spirit or meaning to them. It does feel like he is less focused on his music, what with all the other things he is dabbling in now. I do miss that part of Jay in whom we could all sense a real love for music. That part is a little fuzzy now. But I just wish him to be happy, whatever he does. And for the most part, he is still the same person, though a little wiser I hope.

[alyv]

I admit I was pretty surprised when I saw the comments posted, not because of the myriad complaints Jay fans have, but how much these comments related to mt opinion of Jay.

I remembered it was on December 2001 when my cousin brought 'Fantasy' and played it against my will. (I was sort of a more English pop person then) My initial opinion of the CD was "not bad huh?" and did not think much after that. After which while shopping for Christmas presents in a music store, I chanced upon this CD. Certainly it wasn't the 'prettiest' cover or appealing at that time, but I just bought it along with several English covers.

I was hooked. I had to testify to this, I repeated the songs over and over until I could memorise every lyric, neglecting the other CDs I bought. Maybe people will think I'm exaggerating, but it certainly spurred me on to many more Chinese music as well as culture. I longed to listen to the songs even when I was abroad for a holiday. Needless to say, I bought his first album shortly after.

I have to admit 'Wife' is one of the songs I dislike until now, albeit the number of people liking it. But other than that it was perfect. I throughly enjoyed the songs over and over. Next came 'Eight Dimensions', I didn't like it the first time, but it sort of grew on me. Certain songs like 'Mi Lan De Xiao Tie Jiang' and 'Huo Che Cha Wei Qu' were simply magnificent.

I still remember I waited 6 hours for Ye Hui Mei to arrive in the CD stores, just to hope to be one of the first to enjoy Jay's songs. 'Coward' and 'Double Sword' were his failures I thought, but the MV of 'Ni Ting De Dao' and 'Qing Tian' made up for it. Cello in the rain and the superb background in Venice(correct me if I'm wrong) just drew me deeper.

QLX was when his influence became most pervasive in my opinion when some of my friends and I skipped tuition to get our hands on this album. Although the style was quite the same, the songs made up for it. The peak of my admiration for this artiste was during his 'Incomparable' Concert. It was amazing - the 2 years pact he signed off with made me want to fast forward time.

Then the rot started coming in. After waiting for more than a year, fans were expecting something special, myself included. 'Si Mian Chu Ge' sounded quite cool in the beginning, but repetitive after more loops, just like 'Hei Se Mao Yi'. 'Malt Candy' was mediocre at best. 'Blue Storm', what is he thinking about? Only 'Nocturne' and 'Yi Lu Xiang Bei' and some other songs appealed to me.

'Still Fantasy'. The first time I heard this name I really thought this is it - the comeback of Jay. As the CDs arrived late in Singapore, I downloaded 'Ju Hua Tai'. A song from Jay Chou? I thought it was some China artistes and they just mixed it up with the album. Ironically, it turned out to be one of the saving graces in this album. The ballads were horrible.

Then the final straw came, the latest EP to be released. 'Golden Armour' is very well done in my opinion, but why include the piano version of 'Ju Hua Tai'. And the introduction in the CD wrote 'specially played by Jay Chou in a sentimental tone'. The following may sound bad I apologise for it, but who knows whether it could be anyone who played the piece.

'Dad, I'm back', 'Excuse', 'Black Humour' are wonderful songs. 'Herbalist Manual' in my opinion is a well written song, but why add the vampire part at the end? Without that it could be another 'Ninja', and it's certainly not 'Perfectionist' or 'William's Castle' where the unrelated stuff blends to the song.

How I wish he could revert back to the Eight Dimensions days when even the songs he composed for other artistes were wonderful. I loved 'Rewind', 'Bu La Ge Guang Chang' and 'Qi Shi Jing Shen' which he wrote for Jolin back then (which in my belief propelled her to the spot she is now).

Sorry that this is quite a long post with my ramblings, but despite my disappointment I'll continue to support Jay. After all, he's still one of the most talented artistes in the Mandarin music market.

[happifruit]

He used to create some of the finest pieces of music our generation will ever listen to and he really poured his heart and soul to his songs.[...] and you could hear the pain and hardship some of his songs talk about. You would hang onto everyword, almost knowing that he really meant what he was singing. I don't think anyone else really had that. Jay had an intangible in his voice.


I agree with you wholehearted there aznbballer. My friend almost forced Album Jay and Yeh Hui Mei on me, and what caught me was the way that he sang some of the songs like Ai Qing Xuan Ya. I could almost feel his pain. And I really did hang onto every word, because every word was so well-chosen.

I miss his experimentation like what he did with 8th Dimension. The album was sooo solid......where did all that go? It's like he's afraid to step out and do something like that now. Instead, he'll just stick with what has worked for the last 3 years.

I've been so disappointed with Still Fantasy that I've actually stopped listening to it a month and a half ago.

[akane_chou]

when i searched for the Jay images for the winter games, do you know what i saw?

noodles, toothpaste, all sorts of rubbish with Jay's face pasted on it! on my first few 'oh look, Jay endorsed another thing. thats cool, more cash for him!', i was fine with it, sometimes even thinkin that some people might have just photoshopped it or some factories desperate for people to buy their stuff had dragged one of Jay's old pictures and tried to market it.

but i was WRONG. toothpaste? hello, this guy has a gap between his two front teeth AND for that ad, he didnt even SHOW HIS TEETH.

it's not funny. if i ever get to see him real life, i would either scold him, scream at him or strangle him for being such a prick.

i demand my old Jay back! i demand him!

EDIT: yesterday, i went to watch COTGF [curse of the golden flower]. many people i knew said it was boring. i was the opposite. i LOVED the movie. really. why?

well, the first part was really slooowwwww but i like political "GIVE ME YOUR POWER OR DIEEEE!!" movies so yeah, i sat that out. my friend left barely an hour into the movie.

the ending was the bomb. it was so funny. especially the part where Jay was swamped by the Emperor's army and was trying to fight them off. his facial expressions were SO FUNNY! i mean.

i didnt even know he had so many facial expressions. sure the expressions varied between "damn i think im constipated" and "dammit i need to potty right NOW!", but it was hilarious. i almost laughed out loud.

i almost cheered when the movie finished. almost. it wasnt so bad. lotsa laughs.

watch it to laugh at jay's expressions.

[karyn531]

I thought it was boring. COTGF, I mean. Watched the cantonese version and that doesn't sound like Jay's voice, and at some point I thought he was there just to ... bring in the sales? Plus his albums quality have been deteriorating lately ... I prefer the songs in his older albums ...

[ene]

I totally agree with all the comments about COTGF MV.

When I saw a photo in the papers with him in that purple getup, I was seriously :glug:. I mean, sheesh, how more ridiculous can he look? I know he likes to be different and all but there is really a fine line between being different and being a complete clown. I wonder who approved of them in the first place.

I've been so disappointed with Still Fantasy that I've actually stopped listening to it a month and a half ago.
My exact sentiments. I used to listen to his new albums on major repeat mode and driving everyone around me crazy cos I'd "force" them to listen to his music. Now, I believe I stopped listening like after 10 times. Which is not normal.

I am also not surprised that album sales for "Still Fantasy" did not do as well as his previous albums.

I dare say that if he continues at the rate he's going (concentrating on everything else but music), his album sales are going on a downward slide.

Did anyone read the latest that now, he apparently wants to direct a full movie on his own? Sheeeesh. Here we go again.

Then again, he's Jay Chou so I'm sure no one would actually dare to tell Mr Chou in his face that the purple look is WRONG x a million times.

[cacky]

Then again, he's Jay Chou so I'm sure no one would actually dare to tell Mr Chou in his face that the purple look is WRONG x a million times.

I would! In fact, I'd give him one slap in the face and ask him to wake up and see where his career is heading ... DOWNHILL! I recently heard a composition he did for Kenny Bee and I think it's great.

Jay's talents continue to lie in the music world. Just becoz' Golden Melody Awards don't recognise it doesn't mean he's no good. Why can't he understand that?

Oh yeah, I forgot ... his ego has blinded everything else.

[Singerchick]

Random Question but does Jay still arrange and produce all his own songs?

I know he doesn't write many lyrics, but I remember he used to arrange his own songs and play the instrumentation. However, I don't know if I read wrong but I was looking at his "Still Fantasy" CD's leaflet and it doesn't seem like he arranges his own songs anymore. Does he?

If he doesn't that could probably account for his music which sound like remixes of his previous songs.

[petricia]

Random Question but does Jay still arrange and produce all his own songs?
I know he doesn't write many lyrics, but I remember he used to arrange his own songs and play the instrumentation. However, I don't know if I read wrong but I was looking at his "Still Fantasy" CD's leaflet and it doesn't seem like he arranges his own songs anymore. Does he?
If he doesn't that could probably account for his music which sound like remixes of his previous songs.

As far as I know, Jay stopped arranging his songs after his first album. However, all the later songs are arranged by 2 or 3 people only, which may caused the familiarity in his songs. However, he still produces all his songs.

[star_light]

I agree with you on this one. I think he's changed into that after becoming famous. I didnt really like Still Fanatasy either. I saw one of the MVs for one of his songs and is was really bad...Comparing that one to one of his early ones...well i must say that it was um, bad, for the lack of a better:oops: word! :-)

[JayMatrix]

Random Question but does Jay still arrange and produce all his own songs?
I know he doesn't write many lyrics, but I remember he used to arrange his own songs and play the instrumentation. However, I don't know if I read wrong but I was looking at his "Still Fantasy" CD's leaflet and it doesn't seem like he arranges his own songs anymore. Does he?
If he doesn't that could probably account for his music which sound like remixes of his previous songs.

He is still the producer, if you look at the credits in the album booklet.



Did anyone read the latest that now, he apparently wants to direct a full movie on his own? Sheeeesh. Here we go again.


When I read the news, I thought that everything's just happening too fast too furious.

[sushii]

He is still the producer, if you look at the credits in the album booklet.



When I read the news, I thought that everything's just happening too fast too furious.

yeah when i read the title of the news "jays wants to win directing award in five years" or w.e. i was oh no..jay has def. dug himself deeper and deeper. ha!!! does he really think he'll win an award for directing in just five years?! it takes some directors forever just to get an award..and here we have jay all tall and mighty thinking he can conquer the directing world. he been in only what? TWO freaking movies..OoOoOoO initial d!! ohhhhhh curse of the golden flower!!! and he thinks he can direct all of a sudden??? hes only directed a commercial or two an music videos..i'm sorry but jay..you're not cut out for directing movies just yet..stick to your music. ugh...this "i want to be the jack of all trades" things hes got going is not making me too happy..i just want him to stick to his music thats all

[qinshihuang]

just because he said that, the movie industry ppl are gonna pull a directing award out of their ass and hand it to an apparently shocked and humble jay. and his legend continues....

[shawn yue]

Lol how can he expect to win an award for directing that fast? He only directed his MV's and thats not that much. Other directors who do movies don't get appreciated until someone notices their work. Jay trying to use his fame to get awards so fast........and yes, I agree that Jay should just stick to singing because his acting aint that great. I heard people giving negative comments about his acting in Curse of the Golden Flower and said that he was a joke...

[c_c_]

I have to agree. Zhang Yi Mo must have been on hallucinogens when he chose jay to act as one of the relatively important characters (or maybe it was only because he wanted increased publicity for the movie, who knows) and jay just can't see that zhang yi mo is practically USING him for the sake of a larger audience. Why does he want to direct? Can't he understand that we love him for his music and ONLY his music, that most of his fans will stop supporting him after the third crappy movie and start reminiscing about the times when he actually CARED about his music.

[rockfaerie]

yeah, Jay has abit run over the top abit. i mean toothpaste commercial.
his teeth is not even perfect and it has a gap. i have never seen a gap tooth artist doing a toothpaste commercial.

but the boy is making money when he snaps. can't help it. everybody needs money to live and im sure if you're a successful artist, you would turn out like him too.

abt the acting, i would love him to stick on his music career. PLEASE. initial d was bad enough then the curse of the golden flower cam along?! mercy lord. but i thank god Jay improves his acting.. abit only lar! i wonder what was chow yung fatt and gong li's reaction when they found out Jay's acting in it. hahaha.

and abt him winning best new actor award. the 1st thing that came out from my mind was "ermm. right. oooook." the judges must be blind when they were watching initial D.

i don't mind Jay being a director. that boy is creative and he wants to put his creativity on other media influence. i support him in that. besides, all of the mv's he did was nice.

ngehhhhh.
i dont anti him, i just anti his toothpaste ad and acting. hahaha

[jay_ella4ever]

jay is pulling himself way too in... i am one of the fans who's always like "how can you say that about jay, you really arent a true fan" type...
his albums i will always love, but even i have to admit, they sound similar..
i think he's in too deep, all this fame has gotten to him, he should just stop with the directing and acting.. and just go back to focusing on his music.. somehting he claims as the most important thing to him...

[neelief]

Actually I still love Jay a lot; however.. a lot of other distractions were on my mind ever since his Still Fantasy album..
well, yeah for one thing, his image has kind of changed. I just preferred him with dyed hair (at one time), and when he wears simple outfits like jeans & tees, as well as a clean-shaven face..but now, I just can't bear to look at him with his goatie, or rather beard sometimes..it just doesn't suit him.
He also likes to wear outfits which kind of makes him look older; I guess he just want to potray a more mature image, so that people won't say he looks young or something. I remember he mentioned something like that before...
I still miss his old image...

Another thing is his ego has gotten into him. Or rather fame, such that I feel he wants to concentrate on movie-making for the moment...

[joeymcjojo]

Just for clarification, isn't sponsoring items a good thing in Asia? I read somewhere that having lots of sponsors and selling-out in Asia isn't necessarily a bad thing (and not to drag someone else into this, but its why Wang Lee Hom is a spokesperson of Lipton Iced Tea). Not to defend Jay though, just wanted some clarification.

[ask4more_jay]

im ok with the commercials or whatever
but i don't really like that he's all into movies, directing, and stuff...
seriously. he's a frickin musician.
i understand he probably enjoys movies and stuff, and sure
im fine with him filming initial d and some more
but now it seems like its ALL ABOUT FILMING.
what happened to his music?

[jay_ed]

i gota agree here..

no offense to jay or anything...but he cant really act that well...and just because he can direct a couple of mv's ..doesnt mean he can direct a WHOLE movie..it's just not the same type of thing..

let's hope he can get a wake up call..if his movie turns out to be a big flop...but then..i doubt it will happen...coz all his fans will go watch it and support it...due to it being jay's work...

i just don't see any musican left in him.....

[sUm^MeR]

Oh my Gawd, how did I miss this thread? It's a good thing Karen started this thread, because I've been trying to vent out my frustration over Jay. (But don't worry, I still love him, and still love his songs)

Anyhow, I really miss the time when Fantasy first came out, and the excitement of the day when Jay released his new albums. Seriously, I remember sitting in front of my computer, trying to dl the preview of YFZM through my slow 56k modem, and repeated that song for like 100+ during that week. But what happen now was... when Still Fantasy first came out, I didn't even realize it. I was like... eh, Jay's new album already?? It seems like his previous albums (NC, QLX) didn't entice me so much to expect more new songs from him. And I just have to be honest, SF is a total disappointment. That album is wearing down very quick in my mp3 player, and now I just stick to his old songs from Fantasy-YHM album and be much happier just to reminisce the days when Jay was still a music genius. I'm not saying that he's no longer a genius now, it's just that he's getting more complacent of his compositions, thinking that his songs are already good the way they are, that I don't really see any improvements in his works any longer. Right now, the only so-called improvements I hear was the random digital sound effects he's throwing to his songs. Okay, when I first heard Year 3 Class 2, I thought the pingpong sound was genius. But then, when you do it like in every album, I was like... enough already. Seriously, it's getting really boring and predictable. And so is most of his new songs in his currect albums. They're getting so mainstream, commercialized, and so predictable, that I began to feel very sad because I no longer find sincerity in his music anymore.

Secondly, no movies for Jay, PLEASE!! I hope I could say this out loud to his face. I agree with most of you, that he started to lose focus on his music eversince Initial D. And when he won as the award as the best newcomer, I was like... oh my god, please don't tell me you're serious. Because as Jay's fan, I was actually quite embarassed with the result, because it's obviously his popularity that won him that award, not his talent. And now, everytime I saw another news about him shooting a new movie, I was like... gosh, enough already lah, Jay. You're no actor, just focus more on your music. I wish I could say to him,... rather than wasting your time acting on movies (which you obviously had no talent in), it's better if you just... let's say... learn to arrange your own music, or venture on some new musical genres or something, I dunno, just do something musical lah, because that's what you're really good at. *gets a bat and smack his head* hope that will wake you up!

I don't really know how his attitude has changed because I barely see news about him on TV, nor I care to read news about him any longer. I just know that his popularity is so immense that we just can't help it when he becomes so full of himself. Well, just face it, for everything little thing he did, people seem to go make it so huge. Even his crappy acting in Curse of Golden Flower got some over-rated reviews, and I was getting really tired of people praising him over everything he does, when in fact, it was undeserving.

And... what really irks me was the way Jay treated the girls he used to date. I mean, come on. Just come clear and say, "Yes, I dated Patty, but we broke up already." what's so hard about it? It won't make you less than what you are now if you just admit it. And about his rumored relationship with Jolin... if I think about it now, there should be something going on between them, because if they were really just friends, then he wouldn't just stop writing songs for her once he dated Patty, right? :?

Anyhow. I really miss the Jay I fell in love with during his Fantasy year. I hope his album sales drop, his movies sucks, and his popularity dims, maybe then, he'd realize what he's actually made of. And that he's not God who will always be on the top no matter what he did or made.

Last but not least. I still have hopes in Jay. I just hope he drops all the directing/acting on movies dream, and go back to pursuing that "Grammy Award" dream. After all, he's a musician. And a really good one. Because we can't close our eyes to the fact that he's still 'the' number one in Chinese music industry, and not many other artist's album was half as good as his. :happy:

[50chicken]

I can definity tell Jay changed over the years, and I miss the old Jay. I mean I can just keep on watching news about Jay again and again but then now he just doesn't seem like the old Jay I know, I mean compare his current T.V appearences to this one.

Click To Watch. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0VJ9G6Uepk)

The thing that just makes me mad is just that he is so cocky lately, I mean he refuses to change his style, I mean not even alittle and he probably will never changed because of stupid fan girls screaming "I LOVE YOU JAY" & "I LOVE YOUR MUSIC AHHHHH!". I'm really just hoping his next album would be better than his "Still Fantasy".

He really needs to fix up his image. At times I'm just like what the hell are you wearing? He needs to learn how to fix his own hair! Sometimes I just want to slap some sense into him.

I really don't know why people praise him for his "good" acting. HELLO?! do you have eyes? His acting sucked in Inital D so why are you "fans" saying he was so good at acting in that movie? Hopefully his acting will actually IMPROVE!

The thing that just makes me wanna yell at Jay is the relationship rumours! I mean Jay & Jolin relationship is so obvious! I mean Jay, you used to talk and hang out with her everyday, attend to places with her and now your afriad to take a picture with her and you don't even talk to her anymore in public and coming up with the lamest excuse. Yeah, Jay you never had something for her. :dry: He just says the dumbest things when they ask him if theirs a chance if he would go out with her like saying her breast size is too big, COME ON JAY!


I have really high hopes for you Jay, hopefully you won't let me down again.

[hisashi]

Hmm I still buy his albums nevertheless. But my love for him decrease since 2005?

Sad thing that he has converted to acting, then now directing. I don't know what he will do next and perhaps surprise us again by not doing music.

Maybe he will switch to producing eventually.

The sales of his last album has proven.

He is not up to his par musically.

I miss the 'old' Jay.

[pepprmint]

ah, so ive finally convinced myself to step in here after a couple of months o_o
and as the hundreds of people before me has said, ill say it again, i am quite disappointed by jay :shy:

i used to be his biggest fangirl, squeal and shout everytime i heard anything having to do with him, i was even up to page 60+ in youtube of the videos listed under 'jay chou', but coming to jcnet every day i realized, im not even here for jay anymore. heck, i dont even find his news threads and picture threads (which i used to visit religiously) all that interesting anymore. how many of his songs from his latest album have i ever put on repeat? none. why, because jay really isnt about the music anymore. when he started out i used to believe he lived and breathed musical talent. now, its this movie, that movie, huh movie? even when you ask him what he sees in his future, music is not even in it! its being some director or film producer or something. what happened with the jay that used to wow us with his musical prowess? now that i think about it, i wished Still Fantasy did flop so he would get some wake-up call from it. but noooo, sales were good, no, great, and he once again got confirmation that he can set his sights on movies and be lazy with his music. i feel like he's just taking a free ride on his fame, he knows he's popular and well-loved and now he doesnt feel the need to try with his music anymore cuz he plum-well knows he has hundreds of thousands of people at his feet.

and i hate, HAAAAAAATTTEEEEE all this news about his movies. its like 'jay chou's new album movie is coming out', 'jay chou in another movie this summer', 'jay gets music acting award', STOP IT ALREADY!!! every time another article comes out about jay and acting, makes me wanna :bang:
i reeealllly reaallly wish i could believe him when he says music is still his life, his passion, blah blah, but as much as i really hate to admit it, i think he's wrung dry already. like years of music making has finally taken a toll on his creative reserves and he just cant do it anymore. i'll still support him, but partly cuz i have this glimmer (maybe naive) of hope that maybe maybe he'll return to being the old musical prodigy we knew and loved. i miss the old jay :worry:
siiigh

[yunnie]

Someone finally put this thread up!!! I finally can put my comments up!! He's losing himself! HE totally forgot about music, his initial love. It's more about him than music. movies? I don't think he got the cuts to act. Look at Yuan jie in curse of the golden flower? He spoil the whole movie. He think he can act after initial D but the Takumi's character is like him. He is acting himself in the movie. His music is getting from bad to worse... I don't see any improvement in it. I feel sad for him. After he said on media that he loses interest in music, i looked down on him. People who take him as a example to pursue a music career, how are they going to feel if their motivation is gone?

[sam_ho]

Yea, I love Jay and all. But sometimes, I just hate the fact that his music is now ruined (to me...) because he lost his...I'm not sure if I can call it talent or what, but he just lost his touch. Back then, you know, with the Jay, Fantasy, Ye Hui Mei album and like that, he was really great. I loved all his songs and I would shiver everytime I heard his voice.

But now...

I just hate his two newest albums. They are the repeat of the old albums, but worse. Hate is a strong word...so scratch that. I dislike.

Plus, he should totally stop dressing like a grandma.

Oh, and when I watch the taiwanese news, he always denies what he's been doing. And my godmother, who watches the TW news all the time, would be like HA! I told you he's a scum. For example, once I was watching some taiwanese news, and it said that Jay said that he was never with Jolin before, and that they were just close friends who were also classmates. (Maybe I heard wrong...but I'm pretty sure that I didn't) And I was like WHAT?! It was probably just rumors...

His endorsements are just...I'm tired of them! It's way to much...! Why can't he just stop acting (his acting is not so great btw) and just FOCUS ON MUSIC! I can't control him (like duh), and the only thing I can say is "man, I miss the old jay so very much". It kinda reminds me of J.Lo. Cuz she owns a clothing line, sings, acts and she wants to be the first female USA president. While Jay wants to become a successful actor and movie director as well. Oh and doesnt he own a clothing store and a restaurant too?! Too much of an overachiever Jay.

I kinda feel guilty for ranting so much...garrr

[simplyjennifer]

sigh* directing and acting has really gone through Jay's head.. now with "The Unspeakable Secret". I wont be surprised if he gets another award for his "superb" acting and directing "skills".

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

I won't ever say bad words bout Jay. But now, i really hope he focus more on his music.

I hate it that he's so ambitious. I'll very happy and contented if he continues to release albums like the old Jay, without any connections with the film world. Commercials are okay.

[danieldren]

But now, i really hope he focus more on his music.
I hate it that he's so ambitious. I'll very happy and contented if he continues to release albums like the old Jay, without any connections with the film world. Commercials are okay.

yeah im with you, i wish he would concentrate more on music :shy: im getting the feeling from people from people that they aren't taking him as a serious musician anymore because his spread out his bases out so far :worry:

[simple_girl]

i do hope that jay does focus more on his music..but i still love his music...like his not going to be singing forever(i hope he does though!) so he needs something to do...like directing...but i hope when he gets use to being a director, actor so he can concentrate on some of his music will be more like the old albums but i still like his new songs/albums

im sick of his endorsements like in the golden armour mv..a bit too much but the set for the mv did look very expensive...with some people say hows his spreading his bases too far..
many know that jay wants to be known all over the world for his music..but people who dont understand chinese wont be bothered to look for the translation...so jay a herbalists manual...that was a great mv and im sure his endorsements help in pay for that...

i reckon that is right but i think jay is trying to do things singers havent done before(with skill) so he remains a legend in 50 years time...like with future singers everyone will compare them to jay and he wants to make himself INCOMPARABLE!

With Jay being a 'sell out' he might be but i think his reasons are good--again with the golden armour mv as an example he took money from motorola but he also gave--us a quality mv so jay gives AND take--whether one more than the other

Also with people saying he denies everything--like relationship with Jolin Tsai---dont you think that is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this forum like its Anti Jay -the sell out' chou and has nothing to do with jay being a supposedly 'sell out'?!

i will probably get in trouble for this post but i saying how i feel about this issue without trying to defend jay DIRECTLY

[DulceMexicana]

Im not here to defend or not but in need to put mu 2 cents in:oops:
First of all Jay has been a bit arogant not only in interviews but you can see the chemisrty he brings himself up with and none the less hi auror when from white to a beige and i hope that dosent happened!:cry:
But we also must see how with the sucess of his film has also caused this but why?:crazy: What happened to that cute young Jay we all fell in love with in the beginnig?:cry:\
Has it been that fame has gotten to his head and has forgotten the morales he came into the industry with?:cry::cry:
This is difficult yet i know this may be a bit off topic but it needs to be said:?:?:?

Will his carrer go down the tube due to his sudden change of attitude:oops::oops:

I know thats a bit far but how things are going thats how it seem which is unfortuate none the less but will some one tell him that he needs to cahnge his attitude because his own arrogance is seen b others that who know who will take Jays spot and fame in time to come!:cry::cry:
Anyway well just have to see how this scene comes out:dry::dry:

( I hope that everything goes well though:cry::cry:)

[moosespitz]

I really only like Jay's music.
As for the person he is...I don't know much.
But I've heard he's gotten a huge attitude change after Secret came out.
A bit more arrogant and overconfident.

[littlefishie]

Is it just me or does Jay look freakin' ugly in that cowboy outfit? Is he trying to look cool or hot? I hate his arrogance, and his lack of consideration for others. I'm especially disgusted by how he treats girls. I'm so glad Patty and Jolin are through with him, and I'm so happy that Hebe has better taste.

[simplyjennifer]

gosh.. i like jay and everything.. but i really dont like the cowboy image.. reminds me too much of brokeback mountain.. and i bet the tabloids are gonna have their bit on that!

[ying64]

Yesss I found this forum >_>

Man, this whole cowboy image was disgusting enough...seems to me something like this happens whenever he tries to bring his own fantasies into real business -_-;;;

Then along came his new song...totally killed me x_x...his voice doesn't sound like him, it reminds me of square dancing (which I HATE) and then the music video is ridiculous...what happened to Jay's unique style...his R&B etc?

I'm quite disappointed at the moment...if the rest of the album is like that I don't even think I'll be a fan anymore >_>

[simplyjennifer]

yeahh i listened to his new song a couple days ago.. it was a KILLER!! reminds me of hill billies and their banjos ><
i hope he doesnt sing that song at his concert:sick:

cowboy image needs to gooooo
:rifle::cowboy:

[jay_ed]

Is it just me or does Jay look freakin' ugly in that cowboy outfit? Is he trying to look cool or hot? I hate his arrogance, and his lack of consideration for others. I'm especially disgusted by how he treats girls. I'm so glad Patty and Jolin are through with him, and I'm so happy that Hebe has better taste.

haha..this just reminds me how i saw this news clip randomly on youtube...and it was about Patty releasing her new book...talking about her past relationship with Jay..and yes it WAS a relationship..and they broke up...so now she is talking about it...

and i was thinking "so much for the cover-up..jay..it looks like your secret got busted"

[jayx8318x]

I hate how he always gets thrown into the whole "school boy" image. Whether it's in movies, or advertisements. He's almost 30! It gets kinda creepy.

[qinshihuang]

I hate how he always gets thrown into the whole "school boy" image. Whether it's in movies, or advertisements. He's almost 30! It gets kinda creepy. And he did one thing that I never thought he'd do in a million years. He did a semi-cover song for his upcoming album. The one thing that to this day kept my respect for him was that he wrote his own melodies, well not anymore apparently.

i'm just curious, which one is the semi-cover song?

yeah, the schoolboy thing bothers me as well. actually that was a problem with pretty much the entire cast of Secret. they all looked (ARE) too old to be high school students. also, maybe jay let NQMM members get some acting exposure, but i'll always believe that was actually to cut cost (he probably didn't even pay them).

[jayx8318x]

i'm just curious, which one is the semi-cover song?


nvm, I'm dyslexic :glug: I thought I read Cai Hong was adapted from the song Secret off the First Kiss OST, when it's the other way around (the song First Kiss off the Secret OST which I assume Jay wrote). OK partial respect back.

Anyways, I just hate how it seems alot of the stuff he does is fanservice. Like the whole school boy thing, or being filial to his mom...fan girls eat it up. So whenever he talks about how he's "unique, does his own thing, doesn't have to listen to anyone else" ...it's just not very convincing.

[qinshihuang]

The filial thing is quite annoying to me. I mean, it's great that he loves his mom and shows it, but it's way overplayed. That's all you ever hear about when the media praises jay's personal life. I mean, really if you take away the fact that he's nice to his mom, Jay Chou the man is someone who is disrespectful to his girlfriends, whines about other people winning awards, plays cruel jokes on dan tou, and not much else.

[littlefishie]

What's been irritating me lately is his attempts at acting "cute."

Cute is NOT his thing... Cute is what I would use to describe S.H.E. He should just try to stay away from that.

[jayn]

Yup, I totally agree that he should put more energy into his singing. Although I'll still buy his album, I'm a little disappointed in his new cowboy song. Usually, I'm an optimist when it comes to Jay and I'll always, always defend him whenever someone try to criticize him. But with this new album, I'm not sure if it's worth my money or not. It's like, he's singing just for the sake of a new album. There, I'd said it. It was a sin for me to criticize him, but there's always a limit. Why can't he be like the Jay we used to know? If he likes acting and directing so much, he'll get the chance when he acts in his MVs. Honestly, I think that his acting is better in the MVs than in the movies. Plus, the ideas for the MVs are much better. The plot for Secret didn't marvel me that much. As usual, I like the soundtracks more than the movie, just like the Curse of The Golden Flower. However, Initial D wasn't all that bad. I actually loved it. Hehe. I just hope that Vincent or Jay's mom will hurl some sense into his head. (Am I too harsh?) I mean, as the person who writes the lyrics for Jay's songs, surely he'll want a melody that's as nice as the lyrics so that the song will sound heavenly, won't he? And his mom should advice him about his habit of dumping girlfriends. I mean, at that age, he shouldn't keep his playboy status. He's not getting any younger and I hate to be a fan of an "incomplete" idol. I really wish that he'll be that romantic guy just as in his songs. I hope that he'll find his beloved girl and then stay on the relationship for many, many years until their wedding. Wouldn't that be nice? Dear, Jay's Mom, please don't let your son spoil his own image. He asks us to always listen to our mother. I'm sure he'll listen to you because he doesn't want to hurt you... right?

[jayx8318x]

The filial thing is quite annoying to me. I mean, it's great that he loves his mom and shows it, but it's way overplayed. That's all you ever hear about when the media praises jay's personal life.

And if you think about it, how many people aren't filial to their parents in some form or another (esp Asian kids when that's like the core of our upbringing). And how many of us, given the resources and luxuries Jay can afford, WOULDN'T pass those on to our parents? And just because it's JAY that does it makes it noteworthy...how?

It's like when I hear the fans say "aww he's so nice to his mom" I'm like "do you beat yours?"

I just think he needs to mature, change his angle a little...enough with the schoolboy, mama's boy thing.

[kewlpiggy88]

ugh, i've just listened to songs from his newest album and i don't like ANY of them. like cowboy on the run...that tune isn't new..it's like your stereotypical hill-billy/country tune, so does he just expect us to praise him because he incorporated something he's never done before but is not new at all??

omg. i'm incredibly incredibly disappointed with what he's been putting out in the last couple of years. WHAT HAPPENED, JAY? WHAT HAPPENED?????!?!?!

[JayMatrix]

ugh, i've just listened to songs from his newest album and i don't like ANY of them. like cowboy on the run...that tune isn't new..it's like your stereotypical hill-billy/country tune, so does he just expect us to praise him because he incorporated something he's never done before but is not new at all??
omg. i'm incredibly incredibly disappointed with what he's been putting out in the last couple of years. WHAT HAPPENED, JAY? WHAT HAPPENED?????!?!?!

The 8th album is leaked and on the whole I'm extremely disappointed. The first single is actually great compared to the rest of the album. And yet again it consists of run-of-the-mill tunes you'd expect the Taiwan music industry to churn out every week.

I'm actually quite baffled because the OST of Secret was really the best thing he had done since Qi Li Xiang. And it's not surprising that the best (and more sincere) songs on the new album are actually tunes from the OST. (There's two of them, Cai Hong included)

[yenny1106]

Actually I don't like the fact that he took tunes from the OST. TO me, oST is OST, and it's special cos it's like written for the movie, for the particular scene etc.. it shouldn't be incorporated into another of his pop song just because he composed it. It seems to show his insincerity. Why couldn't he just composed more new song for his new album? Why must he take the tune from the OST? I think he's just too busy .. to really sit down and truly did wat he did like 5 years ago...

[JayMatrix]

Actually I don't like the fact that he took tunes from the OST. TO me, oST is OST, and it's special cos it's like written for the movie, for the particular scene etc.. it shouldn't be incorporated into another of his pop song just because he composed it. It seems to show his insincerity. Why couldn't he just composed more new song for his new album? Why must he take the tune from the OST? I think he's just too busy .. to really sit down and truly did wat he did like 5 years ago...

I hope he can be more like David Tao, releasing an album every 2 to 3 years. That way maybe he will have more time for brainstorming, instead of creating music just because he needs some money.

As my friend told me the other day, Jay had already been swallowed by the Taiwan Music Industry.:hmm:

[jayx8318x]

I really can't understand the people, or the reasoning behind praising his latest album. Again people seem to praise because it's JAY CHOU damn it, and can't separate the man from the work. But I guess you're not allowed to if you want to be considered a fan. Take his latest work and allow an unbiased person to judge it, and see if the feedback is mostly positive. Or judge it yourself objectively

I felt he did the title track "Cowboy on the Run" just to appease those that keep saying "do something different Jay." So he put it on there just to say "OK, there I did it." And the fact he released it as a title track kind of makes it clear that was the intent. I think it would have been more effective if it was up to the listener to discover it themselves.

What scares me is that I don't think Jay himself even knows what direction he's headed, musically. I think if he can steer away from the same template of <insert chinese ballad here>, <insert pop song here>, <insert hip hop song here>, etc..then he can reinvent himself. Pick one genre, focus on perfecting it, and do an entire album with it. Maybe add 1-2 songs from a different genre just to mix it up a bit. Just stop it with the grab bag of everything. It worked for Madonna, it worked for Britney.

A part of me had hope that his current interest in acting and directing wouldn't affect his music, unfortunately my hopes were too high. So now I will fool myself into thinking maybe this was an experimental album, to gauge the reaction of the fans. Yes, that has to be it.

[qinshihuang]

A part of me had hope that his current interest in acting and directing wouldn't affect his music, unfortunately my hopes were too high. So now I will fool myself into thinking maybe this was an experimental album, to gauge the reaction of the fans. Yes, that has to be it.

If that's the case, I think you can put Still Fantasy down as an "experimental album." and yeah, I completely agree that Cowboy on the Run was his misguided attempt at silencing his critics. Emphasis on misguided, as it really proved nothing.

I think there ARE a few genres that jay chou is particularly good at, that most fans don't realize. His sappy piano ballads, the fan favorite, are actually not that special, or at least, not nearly consistently special. I think he does produce quite a few gems with the zhong guo feng-infused R&B (almost always a hit), the rock-infused hip hop (he's got a good melodic sense when it comes to this genre), and the pop-rock ballad (much richer experience than the piano counterpart). It's not gonna be a popular choice with fans, but I would definitely be enthusiastic about an album where he focuses exclusively on those genres.

I would also be highly interested if he decides to do a whole album in minor keys. I think the darker, more subtle sound suits him very well.

But you know what, none of these things are gonna happen. I'll leave it up to him to decide what's best for him. If he's really, actually OK with his music being mediocre as long as the usual fans lap it all up, then so be it, i guess. That's one less artist's release I'll anticipate with bated breath.



Sidenote: Has anyone noticed that whenever fans defend jay chou nowadays, they almost always play the "well, he doesn't HAVE to do something different" card, regardless of what his detractors are actually saying. It's like they're completely ignoring the fact that the root of jay chou's current problems (I call it problems) isn't the music he ISN'T making, it's that the music he IS making just aren't that good.

[apricot]

I think Jay's music is still the same, however much he said he's trying to change with this new album. I keep listening to those static phones' sounds, the same rock-ish songs, and songs that reminded of his previous works. Maybe it's hard to compose songs, to change your style so to speak. But Jay, if you are going to go on like this, more and more people will grow disinterested.

Jay no longer has the ability to move me as much as he did with his previous works. Face it, his voice is not that powerful, I've heard better. So to redeem himself, he has to have better works!!!!! Jay this you have to work harder!!!

Working on films and everything, it will affect Jay's quality of music. See it's already surfacing..

[simple_girl]

Hope not like david tao..music is like wrong (duet with jolin<anyone would how lame the rap is) but yeah i wish for jay to concentrate on one music style but he can't an equal amount of fans like his chinese-rnb and his old style so i reckon it would be very difficult just to choose one with so many critics on his back...i particularly like his newer album styles and zhong guo feng (fa ru xue, golden armour, wu shuang) but i wonder..this forum will never close and his critics will never stop because he can';t make music to please everyone and think to yourself>when will jay be good enough to have no crictisms from people?! He won't! so for jay's music music is a great siger already you have to admit even if jay is mediorce he is still better than other taiwanese singers at there 'best' (e.g. jolin tsai, rainie yang, show luo) like in a jay album more than 80% is great to listen to which is rare as artists generally have one or a few

But we expect a lot from jay and i think he has delievered in this album with all these styles his trying to please everyone so there willbe at least one song style he had fulfilled you with..i wish he would stop and just do whatever he wants his music style to be which as someone stated i don't think he himself knows..i think his attitudes about making music has changed from his first album..he has to build up to so much expectations just like j.k rowling is going to have to do

His new album is pretty good not great because it's different from other of his albums..i feel he rushed it and tried to incorporate to suit to evreyone's style but wu shang is a great track....jay already delayed his album after the intial release date so i think he DID have to deliver or have a lot of critics and fans on his back ..

again i think jay is very ambitious with directing, singing and that may lead to his decline..as he stated he is possibly at his peak and no one is even close to kicking him off (not leehom tries too hard to have zhong guo feng and american at same time kind of imitates jay)...i think jay is rather bored of it- music his had the same job for more than 7 years and people normally have job changes every few years...no matter how much he loves music his using it to ride to the acting business (not critising actually quite good).

Jay Chou reached his summit of his career too early if one can be so presumptious to say that..after his first few albums sky rocketed him success ihis jsut being staying up there with not really any competition thus not reaching his potential but you must appauld jay chou for revolutionising chinese music and he is one of very few artists who doesnt need to conform to amercia or traditonal artists style (few english words, pitiful lyrics or dancing ghetto /hip hop america style(you know what im talking about those justin timberlakes, usher))

[gifted1]

jayx8318x is perfectly right. Everyone's praising Jay lately for his latest album but I don't think we're praising his album, more like the President itself.

I don't even know what Jay is trying to do anything, his first single Cowboy on the Run just made my jaw drop. I mean, okay, most first singles and sneak previews on the album reveals the type of music most of the album will be have right? Assuming if we take some other artists that does that. Then, he released his second single from the album, Rainbow. SERIOUSLY, that song is SIMPLETASTIC and CRAP. I mean Jay's just being smart, putting a different type of song to show fans that he's trying new styles, having mostly bad rating on his first single and bam, his second single is way better (cough) because it's a slow song. Look yourself, the lyrics are plain, simple, easy and it's like the feeling everyone gets when someone abandons you.

I mean, I like Rainbow but why? It's because I like Jay. I like his album, why? Because I like Jay, not his album. It's a total disappointment. He's using smart tricks to get people to like his songs. He could just put I'm Not Worth It/I don't deserve it (wo bu pei) as second single and everyone would be like: "Oh my goodness! It's so better than the first single, I am buying the album!" Everything is so smart in this world and Jay's fallen in the trap by listening to fans, trying to be different but it's not satisfying us, and doing tricks to attract new (fans) people to buy his album and support him while the old fans know it's crap.

[mjay]

This latest album is the last straw for me. Yup, it took me long enough to realise how he's selling second rate music to his fans. 3 consecutive mediocre/boring albums is too much. He has to thank his lucky stars that Vincent fang still wanna work with him. Seriously, he needs a wake up call. He needs to read this thread and realise how dissapointed his fans are.
Besides that i hope he doesn't think he's a blessing to the movie industry. Ok making soundtracks are ok but not acting or directing. He is a block of wood on screen, truly. And i thought Secret, the movie was really bad. The plot was so simplistic and unreal. The love at first sight thing didn't work for me at all.
Sigh, i hope he's still interested in making good music, not just giving in to fans or critics. Maybe he just needs a break.

[quadshock]

if you guys wanted him to work harder and to put more time into his music, you wouldn't have bought this album. That's the only way to do it.

[ankh]

if you guys wanted him to work harder and to put more time into his music, you wouldn't have bought this album. That's the only way to do it.

Probably easier to say than to do it; I keep giving myself false hope that this time he's truly returned to his love for music.

I don't know if it's mean of me to want Jay to replicate the flavour of his earlier albums (Jay, Fantasy and Ye Hui Mei) as he's definitely grown up and changed.

Right now I just hope he will put his focus back on music. No point being an all-rounder when you do everything else second best.

[qinshihuang]

if you guys wanted him to work harder and to put more time into his music, you wouldn't have bought this album. That's the only way to do it.

unless album-buyers around the world actually organize some sort of mass boycott, i don't think it will have much effect. and that boycott thing itself is highly unrealistic considering the sheer number of fans who would just be like "what? screw you" if you ask them to boycott.

ALSO, you know what i think jay chou's reaction to lower album sales would be? the same reaction he has to every other setback he's experienced in his illustrious career: pout and complain to friends who'll tell newspapers that he's been pouting and complaining.

[jayx8318x]

I'm sure Jay (or his advisors/marketing team) are being smarter than we give them credit for. Put him out there on the big screen to gain more fans to offset the old ones that they lost due to his lackluster music. I mean look at how many new members we get who say "I just saw his new movie now I wanna know more about him."

They'll listen to his latest album and think it's just "aiight" or even pretty good. Then they'll listen to his previous ones and get totally blown away. But since we have listened to them in chronological order, we see the decline in quality.

So while alot of people are fairly disappointed in it, I think it'll still sell well due to the new fans he's created. If Secret hadn't been such a success, it would be a totally different story.

[laruku]

I wish everyday that he will have a flop SOMETHING. Movie, albums, etc...

[no_pride]

I've stopped buying his album after QLX. I'm not his fan anymore, as his music quality really going downhill. I felt really @#$%^&* when I saw the overrated reviews of his albums everywhere - magazines, newspapers, websites etc. The media praised him because he's JAY CHOU, once a R&B prince...now a "KING" in the mandopop industry.

I thought [Secret] was the best OST I've ever bought, thinking his genuine love for music is back. Then I heard his new single recently...totally disappointed. Apparently he's trying to convince those anti-Jay peeps he can do a wide variety of music, instead of just "mumblings", R&B etc... That song sounds so "fake" to me. *shakes head*

[mjay]

I can't believe he just got 5 nominations for secret. Well, he should win the one for soundtrack but really if he wins the others he will really lose focus on his music.

[JayMatrix]

I can't believe he just got 5 nominations for secret. Well, he should win the one for soundtrack but really if he wins the others he will really lose focus on his music.

I'm hoping he does for the OST, but really, not for the others. Secret was great for a debut attempt.. and that's about it.

[hisashi]

I felt that he has dropped his popularity in Taiwan (his concert is 3/4 full?) but not in overseas. I mean I heard everyone in SG saying 'oh Jay came out with a new album?' and people just rush to buy his concert tickets and pre-ordered his albums.

I stopped pre-ordering his album. But I still buy his album. Why? Because despite his busy sechdules, he still produce an album and compose songs. Maybe I am easily contented but I had said previously, I wish he can stop filming at least for a year and sit down think what does he really wants in music production.

He always lives in other people's expectations. That is sad.

[cacky]

^ I totally agree with you. Somehow I feel ... the older Jay gets ... the more bothered he is about people's comments. He has lost his individuality.

Although he often puts on his lips that he doesn't care. But deep down, it still matters and I bet that up till today, not winning the GMA still matters to him. Just that he let his pride get the better of him to venture into acting and directing.

Jay loves praises and only wants to be in situations where he can excel (again, a pride thing). Like you, I don't pre-order too. It's just pointless.

And I just caught some news clip of his Taipei concert, in my opinion, he sounded weak! Did he even put effort into practicing? Considering he hasn't sung 'live' for a while.

I just hope that the more concerts he has, the better he'll be. Maybe the Singapore concert goers will benefit since it's gonna be after so many concerts. I'll be attending his second one in Shanghai.

I really hope I won't be disappointed.

[mellly]

I just don't understand how he could actually have gotten the Best-Selling Artist award at WMA with er, what, Still Fantasy?! I thought that it was like his worst album ever. Until the latest one. Now I can't decide. I admit that both albums aren't downright horrible, but as compared to his earliest ones, he's just totally lost touch, man.

I agree that he should just sit down one day and completely focus on his music. He's too over-ambitious. He can't please everyone in everything. I know that he wants to complete his dream of directing his movie. Fine. I'm okay with that, like, okay, go ahead. But then again he wants to please his fans again by rushing to produce an album just because he promised to release one every year. And then he goes on to complain about how he is so busy, having to deal with a movie and an album within a year and blah blah blah. And then his album turns out sub-standard and he doesn't even realise because people are still praising him to the skies. Fans know that his albums aren't as good as what they used to be. But most still support his latest albums because #1. He's Jay Chou and #2. His songs aren't downright disgusting and are still pleasing to the ears. So people turn a blind eye to whatever faults there are with his albums and just continue supporting him, convincing themselves that hey, it wasn't that bad!

I know because I just woke up from that stupid illusion. -_-

And I admit, I went to watch Secret the moment it was screened in SG. And even though it didn't blow me away, I was relieved that it wasn't a disaster. It was actually pretty good for a first attempt. But it super irks me when people rave about how awesome his movie is and I can't believe that it actually became such a success. Like, hello Jay, the only reason as to why it was so successful's because you are Jay Chou and fans+non-fans want to see for themselves how good your work can acually be!

I really wouldn't mind if Jay takes a break from releasing an album every year if he is too busy with transforming into an actor/director/whatever other ambitions he might secretly harbour. All I ask for is a good album with a good music! Is that too much to ask for?! I just don't want to keep having to purchase albums like his recent ones that are soooo substandard. It's seriously a waste of money and a super disappointment.

People should stop praising him, stop raving about how he is our R&B king, because he is just so not up to standard anymore and he doesn't seem to realise it. Maybe if someone actually tells him that his music is no longer as great as what it used to be, he would start to put in more effort into his music instead of just releasing one every year to please his 'fans'. Ugh!

[qinshihuang]

i think some of the problems is that he's gotten a lot of new fans in the past couple of years, people who weren't interested in him until he started popping up in movies, etc. and all these people have heard from jay is still fantasy and on the run, and they are like "hey, this stuff is not bad" and somehow you got this new generation of jay chou fans whose appreciation of his music is very shallow. and while some older fans lose faith and stop buying his albums, these new people with their own standards that are much lower than older fans replace those lost sales. again, it all really depends on jay himself and whether he is fine with the way things are. the way he's going right now, eventually, everyone will get bored of his music.

on a personal note, i haven't had a single craving to listen to "on the run" since running through it several times when it first came out. even a few of the songs i actually didn't mind on the album, i just have no desire to listen to them right now. why would i, when other artists (yes, other artists in the chinese music industry, no less) are offering much better?

[-dream-]

Oh, Jay. It's crazy thinking about the opinion I used to have of him, remembering him with his caps and how ridiculously shy he was, but somewhere along the way I realize that this is probably how Jay's always been. We just didn't know it. He's always been that confident, that sure of himself, and he's always been a sore loser, lol. Sometimes, I don't think he's really changed all that much, it's just that he's finally at a place where he isn't afraid to be himself. I admit he's done a lot that's disappointed me throughout the past two or so years, and I watch as devoted fans leave him. But then again, how did we ever really know who he was? At the end of the day, he's just a celebrity and we can only see so much.

I actually find it interesting, that the best part of Secret is the music. Somehow, this is how I'd always imagined his first movie to be like. Having read so many reviews of it, I realize that despite all the criticisms (which I agreed with) his music was the one thing that really stood out and ultimately made the movie what it was - the success that it was. Sometimes I think that Jay needed to wander away from it all, just so that he could realize what music really meant to him. But he hates to lose, and he hates what other people say about him even though he pretends not to.

I don't know if Jay can fall and climb back up again. I think he needs to find himself again in music, and not just 'concentrating' on it, but to really find where he stands with his music. Sure, the new album has a lot of reptition, a lot of recycling of old melodies and techniques, and a bit of carelessness, but at the same time it's still him. I think Jay is the "Jay Chou" today partially as a result of not only the media but of the public and of his fans. Jay is praised for everything he does, as trivial as those things are, because we indulged him. We put him on a pedestal and now we point our fingers at him in accusation. I do believe that to a certain extent that Jay's popularity is on a decline, and sometimes I hate how he seems to disrespect music with his words, and I'm afraid that he doesn't realize the fact that people no longer believe in him the way they used to, or that other artists are surpassing him. And he only has his own pride to blame. This stupid, stubborn pride that will ultimately bring him down. Then again, it might be fear that actually makes him arrogant - he can't admit failure so he can't overcome it either.

However, with that said, I still believe that there will be no one like him in a long time to come. Jay did more than mumble through a few good songs, he changed the entire Chinese, if not Asian, music scene. Jay has grown and we have to live with that. Most of all, we've changed as well. I hold on to Jay because he's a part of my past. We keep comparing Jay to who he was, and because we do that we will never be satisfied with who he is now. He brought a lot of the criticism upon himself, but at the same time the fact that we care enough to criticize him means that he still means something. Personally I don't hate his new album, it reflects a lot of his personal life that I felt I never really experienced before in his other albums. There are a lot of flaws, but his new cd leaves room for me to believe that he has the potential to do so much. And the truth is, I may not like him the way I used to; I may not like him at all some times, but I'm not ready to walk away from him and I don't think I will be for a very long time.

[happifruit]

I got into a heated argument with a friend who saw Secret and would not stop raving about it. She thought it was absolutely spectacular, and I could not, for the life of me, get her to see that he is sacrificing his music, which was what attracted and moved almost all of us in the first place, for his new-found ambition for movies.

She thought that there was nothing wrong with him experimenting. That's where the problem is. Initial D and Still Fantasy were experiments. To show the same sub-standard material two years later is not acceptable. I've heard several terrific reviews for the new album, and Karen was right; they were mostly new fans. They didn't get the chance the feel how his music has moved us through the years preceding all of this, and most of them don't even see why this is such a big deal to us. But, ultimately, music is what it comes down to for Jay. Before all of this, before the ego, the rocket to superstar-dom, it was the music of this shy, quiet guy with the cap that captured the hearts of fans everywhere. Now, seven years later, it's the music again, but this time, it's the music the he's not making, the music that he's abandoning, the music that he's sacrificing that is turning those very same fans away from him. That is a huge deal. I actually wish that Secret was a flop. It would have been worth it to see what would have happened then. But, again, because this was Jay, people flock to see it, prolonging this ego-stroking cycle that has been going on for far too long.

I've lost faith...but I have trouble walking away from him, probably because he's been such a large part of the last six years of my life. If only he could get his head out the clouds for one moment and see what this is doing to all of us who hold his music dear.

[jazlyn87]

the thing i would ask jay to do would be " plz don't act cute" .. i wanted to cringe when i watched how he act cute in the secret .. he certainly isn't fit to act cute ..

and i don't like the way he keeps promoting handphones in his mvs .. i know he's been paid to do so but it's getting too much, too obvious and too annoying

[ignatian0607]

“Music fans griped and fretted online that my involvement in movies made me neglect my music. I had to placate them by saying I would put all my energy into my new album and next concert.”

Really? Is he meaning it??? He's going to starting working back to 1?

anyway...I say that he has...NO HOPE ON THE NEW ALBUM

if he wants to prove that music is still his thing then we should be able to see it in ANOTHER SONG that will clearly show THE JAY THAT WE HAD LOVED in it...

really...

I dare him to do it WITHOUT VINCENT FANG and let's see where this will let him end up...

if he can prove himself...then...our jay isn't lost anymore... :happy:

[hobielover]

My turn to rant about Jay.

What is with the outfits, Jay??? Can't you dress like a normal human being? Why must you wear feathers (that phoenix outfit from the concert)? People here think it makes you look gay! Sometimes, your clothes remind me of Tacky Day in School Spirit Week in high school! And that hat with the flaps in Kung Fu dunk looks so...tacky, childish, and just plain scary!

And why all the ads? Toothpaste, clothes, Pepsi, phones, watches,...when will the list ever end????!!!! Has fame turned you into a divo? Everyone thinks you are a DIVO! D-I-V-O! This path leads to the Dark Side! Just look at Britney Spears! This could be YOUR future! Stick to the music, don't get so caught up in the fame, and stick to the straight and narrow, Jay!

[your_dreamgurl]

i really love jay, but i think that when he tries to fight in his mv's he tries too hard, i hope he don't do that in Kung fu Dunk. When i saw Secret i think it was not all that because he always the same character and theres no change about him at all but i think the movie was worth it because he really showed his talent. Out of all movie i think the strongest on is "Curse of the Golden Flower." Although, he dies at the end..

Anyways at some shows he acted so arrogant. I also don't really enjoy how he tries to show off his basketball moves at his concerts, because i think the other guys can really beat him, but they just gives him a chance since it's his concert. Im not trying to be mean, but that is wat i think.

[Akira]

I was only like a fan in the still fantasy era, as I made my change from western to asian music. I do like some songs from Still fantasy and November's chopin.

BUT he has lost quite a bit of creatvity and his music is getting more and more commercialised. Maybe after 8th dimensions when he did ban shou ren for warcraft sound track and Tong yi zhong diao diao for pepsi. Like someone else mentioned in like san nian er ban with the ping pong bounce. Little subtle things that make a whole lot of difference.
You can tell a lot of songs are recycled or clones of other songs.

Now to the appearance! Quote from my mother, Jay chou looks like a samseng! Ah Beng. (for all those singaporeans out there). Clothes he uses like in Huang jin jia when he dances it kinda makes him look a little gay :shy:. Maybe he has lost heart in his music, it is usual for a musician to be successful in the music and movie industry. Well I guess its all properganda and sadly the media dictates what celebrities do today, it is a sad fact of the modern society.

Now his new album! I really hate tian tian de (sorry ice tears I know you love it! :-)) but I find it way to poppy like bubblegum pop, songs for like S.h.e or raine. I usually like his hip hop tracks but che I dont find really appealing. You would probably know my disgust in the use of girls in the MV. And the song itself has no value really. Rapping about nonsense!

I think it would be interesting to see Jay crash and burn. See how it reacts to a failure because up to this point he might be rebuking all the critisism he has faced but he needs to realise that his music is most important.

[hobielover]

OK, now I'm just mad at him for not taking enough care of himself. He feels the need to do everything at once, even though he's sick, and he needs to get rest. He doesn't prioritize, and he's let his fans down in his concerts because of it. If he put the music first and got rest so he could actually sing, he wouldn't have bronchitis right now. He's not just letting his fans down, he's hurting himself, too. He can't really blame it on anybody else that he's sick now, can he?

[crescentgirl]

I only started knowing Jay since Ye Hui Mei and by then people were already saying that he's getting commercialized and all that. Well for me, I really really like him as a talented musician. Not a singer but a musician. For him to appeal to a non-chinese like me, that's really something. And for him to make me want to learn chinese so I can understand him really means something. These days you see stars like Fahrenheit and you know these guys are definitely in for the fame only, their talents are a little bit limited. It's only been what two years since they've debuted and they're riding on everyone's backs. For Jay, he really worked himself up. All those endorsements were obviously going to come sooner or later once you've become a big star.

What I'm turned off by these days are the movies that he's starring in. No doubt, the dude's awesomely talented but by "widening" his horizon to dabble in a totally different film industry, that's quite a change. He's not really concentrating on his first love, music. Furthermore, the quality of them are getting lower and lower and he expects us, the fans, to blindly continue supporting him despite of this. I really hope one day Jay would just relax a little bit with his acting ambitions and give us a really memorable album. That'll be nice(:

[simple_girl]

my cousin whos into mainstream pop happy [rainie yang, cyndi wang] music now likes jay coz of his 'great' new album..so it concreted there was something wrong with his album...some of his new songs in his new album have went completely the other way from when he strated..its all pop and doesnt have that wow factor E.G. tian tian de vs. jian dan ai..it's just not the same
i hope jay doesnt end up making one of those pop happy crap songs/albums.. because his first albums was so cool and fresh..now their stale and boring except for one two good songs
some in this forum say stuff about not wanting to listen to his music again...i wonder as this is a site for jay
im a fan of jay chou...the 'old' jay chou

[sheena0627]

If the only thing i have something against him is his playfulness with girl~~

In fact, I believe he is those wishy mushy people that cannot make up his decision which girl he want and end up being a two timer.

Look at poor devin wu, jolin, patty.... (and alot more we didn't know)

They are being dumped because he got another girl, sighz.

Oh well, but i guess all these are his private life but i still wish to say to him, HELLO, CAN YOU BE MORE DEVOTED?

[alo1989]

i agree with some of you guys .. like his choice of clothing .. some .. are REALLY tacky but he has been in the music industry for so long now so we cant really except that he's always gonna have the same passion like he had before. even though i love his old albums i didnt expect "on the run' to be the same. i think hes just changing because .. well people change. i was a fan of the secret soundtrack .. not really the movie .. it was cute but there were alot of unanswered questions .. well there were for me .. i was kinda confused. and some of you guys sound like jay having new fans is a bad thing .. well my opinion, its always good to have fans they may love the new albums but if they heard his old songs theyll probably love those to ..

but AGAIN he needs to just stick w/casual clothing ..

[simple_girl]

It seems im visiting this forum more often then i should as jay chou is my favourite singer BUT..
hearing the movie with zhang zi yi the one who's a wannabe porn star[her movies..you know it..for more than half of it she has sex scenes] really got me peeved..after an album like 'on the run' i thought he said he was going to concentrate more on music instead of satrring in another movie..
honestly i think jay chou should have to era's:
the good, fresh,pure and awesome era- one starting with his first album to qi li xiang
to
the fake, mainstream, unpure and so anti-old jay- starting from november's chopin to on the run and probably the next few albums/next albums he releases
but i think he was bordering on change a bit in qi li xiang

dont get me wrong..i really like a few songs from november's chopin, still fantasy[yeah right..not!] and on the run[one song: wu shuang]..but their just not 'there' if you know what i mean

and with the girlfriend thing...i think even having less than10 [rumour]known girlfriends in a few years is not a lot...and to add[this may be defending/against the rules but its a very interesting point] most korean and chinese people in the entertainment industry are not 'allowed' to have girl/boyfriends as it ruins their image therefore money/fame..jay chou seems to be one of very few artists 'allowed' to have a girlfriend as his, his own person.

His new fans are just the same old people who's heard all his other albums but didn't think they cut it for mindless bubblegum pop

[apricot]

My god, Jay is gonna star in another sequel of Kung Fu Dunk?? I watched that and I can't say it's really good. Jay's acting is a-ok-ay but the storyline is sooo lame!!! I can't believe that they are having a sequel, the storyline will be lamer!!! The director is going to sell Jay again..and Jay is gonna take it.

I watched his recent DVD yesterday.. Hello, Jay. Please put in more effort to your singing. Notice his face now when he sings?? He's having more and more trouble reaching the notes. I blame it for lack of practice. Please sing more, Jay. That's what attract me to you in the first place. And I think singing is still the best for you.

[lovejaykeai]

so many complaints here... i dunno what to say and how to say

i don't hate jay but there are sometimes jay's attitude really making me sick
his music even tough quite nice but it sound sucks actually
but still i don't know why i support him

about the rumours of him with too many girls. i don't care about it so long if it does not affect his music, it just fine with me.
but it was not his dating stories that make his music lame but its because he was too busy with his movies make his music sucks...recently i heard that he don't want to do movie anymore cause he want to focus on his music because he said there are so many fans who are upset with his music lately...well let us see if this is true or not

and if it is not i rather think jay should go to excluded places and meditate there instead and never comeback so that we just remember the good things about him...jay please stop acting for awhile and focus on your music
and don't endorse too much commercial or whatever...you have enough money already...do something good for us who bought your album and make u famous now!!!!!!! stupid jay

[tazhs]

My god, Jay is gonna star in another sequel of Kung Fu Dunk?? I watched that and I can't say it's really good. Jay's acting is a-ok-ay but the storyline is sooo lame!!! I can't believe that they are having a sequel, the storyline will be lamer!!! The director is going to sell Jay again..and Jay is gonna take it.
I watched his recent DVD yesterday.. Hello, Jay. Please put in more effort to your singing. Notice his face now when he sings?? He's having more and more trouble reaching the notes. I blame it for lack of practice. Please sing more, Jay. That's what attract me to you in the first place. And I think singing is still the best for you.


TOTALLY RIGHT. Kung Fu Dunk's storyline is lame. Seriously, you could turn back time? I hope the sequel has none of that.

Yea i also think that he should stop acting and focus on his music. I miss the old, innocent Jay. The one that makes music and doesn't endorse stuff so much. Yeah, artists endorse stuff coz of the money they get, but pleasseee Jay, don't be a sell-out!

And yeah, i really think that he's getting lazy at singing. Focus on music, man!! Sometimes he just mumbles and screws up the song. He's really got to practice a lot.

His new album is pretty okay. But i think it's coz he's got no other ideas. It's like he can't be bothered writing anymore.

[hobielover]

A sequel? Oh, please, no! Go back to what you are good at, and forget about being an actor. Sequels become trilogies, and sometimes those become series. This is too time-consuming! Concentrate on your music and forget about all of that. Your fans love you for being a musician and a singer, not for being an actor. Try new things in your music and don't be afraid to take risks like you did when you first got started. Don't let the fame get to you, Jay!

[simplyjennifer]

i think jay only takes his music seriously when it comes to things that are "more important" to him... like the secret .. and beijing olympics song.. even the lyrics have more meaning! better than that cowboy crap :dry:

[jay_ed]

i think jay only takes his music seriously when it comes to things that are "more important" to him... like the secret .. and beijing olympics song.. even the lyrics have more meaning! better than that cowboy crap :dry:

ok..i'm not defending Jay..but i just wanted to say...

whether the lyrics of the song has more meaning to it, has nothing to do with Jay, unless he did write the lyrics, which is not the case for the Olympics song or the 'cowboy crap'

both songs' lyrics were not written by Jay, so, i don't think it's fair to judge Jay's music based on the lyrics in these cases