Have you been yelled at by a mod/admin?

[jayx8318x]

I think along with the new forum changes, the attitude, and disciplinary actions of the mods/admins needs to be either changed or adjusted. I know I am guilty of this too. I know people get the impression that I think I'm better than them just because I'm the admin or whatever. I admit I do give one word, one sentence replies, or don't answer my PMs/emails. But in actuality, that is just the way I am, online or off, curt and to the point. And also, people seem to think they are the only one in the world asking me about something. I do get tired too, contrary to popular belief, I am not a robot.

Some people have mentioned that we are "fake" ...which I'm not exactly sure what basis that is made on. So if you feel that way, please elaborate.

And a complaint we get alot of is that "we didn't get a warning" - concerning bans, topic deletions, etc. There is an announcement at the top of the forums saying there are no warnings. In the news forum where we delete incorrect news formats, there is an announcement that says we will delete it if it's wrong. Isn't that ample warning?

I'll tell a little secret that maybe people seem to overlook. Mods are afraid to say anything too. The truth is, sometimes it's easier to just anonymously delete/move things because if we do PM that person, all of a sudden there's this "bad blood" that develops, or that mod gets a reputation of being the mean mod. Then that person goes on to tell their friends, "oh yeah, so-and-so sucks, he/she deleted my topic" and all of a sudden this mod gets their reputation smeared for no reason. I'm not saying it's right that we do it that way. But I'm just giving some insight to what we have to deal with as well.

[aznjayhunter]

yes, i HAVE been told that my banner size was too big twice, but i wasnt exactly yelled at. i was told in a nicer manner, and i really appreciated that. so i picked others.

in my opinion, mods/admins are not as mean as everyone think they are. we all have been told and warned about the actions they take in the forum rules and stickys/announcements.

i havnt been one of the extreme 'victims' so maybe i wouldnt know, but i still dont think mods/admins are mean. they are strict, and thats wat keeps everyone on track and doing the right thing on this website. those who dont listen are punished, but that is their fault isnt it?

as to the revamp, the change in attitude and actions are, of course, appreciated by all members. that will def. make this site a better place.

[jayx8318x]

You know what pisses me off even more?

For example, let's say hypothetically, someone gets banned. As a policy of the admins/mods here, we don't find it necessary for us to announce to the ENTIRE forums why this person was banned. It's between the parties involved, and no one else has any right to know. Unless of course the person banned wants to tell them.

However, say hypothetically this person banned was a prominent member. Of course alot of members will want to know why this person was banned. However, the mods again are not at liberty to tell to protect the said person. Don't you guys think that's fair?

What I find unfair and BASTARDLY is when that person goes around telling people why they were banned, but making up the reason to make it seem the mods are being unfair to them. In other words, telling people everything but the REAL reason they were banned. Again we get our reputation smeared. Let me remind everyone, there are 2 sides to every story. Prominent members aren't banned for no good reason, keep that in mind. And even the most prominent members still have to abide by forum rules.

What I'm trying to say is, if you don't have both sides of the story, don't believe everything you hear.
For the new site, I'm thinking maybe this needs to be changed. Like actually implement the "Hall of Shame" we've talked about so many times before.

[yukiko]

i have been degrade once when i type not in proper english. i respect it if the person who degrade me is mod, but i dont even know who s/he is. what make me not respect her/his is, how if s/he is not mod? how if s/he also do the same thing anywhere to anyone?

no offense if s/he is mod. i just speak up what in my mind.

[liwei_jay]

:hmm:
i dunno which category should i fall into..
i can't remember any mod/admins screamed at me..
maybe it's becuz i am a good member :angel:
or my mistakes were so minor that they let me slide thru??

anyhow..
i think most ppl overlook the warnings that Karen says..
at least i knw i did.. :shy:

i must say..
sometimes i find that the mod/admin are abit harsh/strict..
some does deserve it.. others were too harsh on.. >.<

[laruku]

What I find unfair and BASTARDLY is when that person goes around telling people why they were banned, but making up the reason to make it seem the mods are being unfair to them. In other words, telling people everything but the REAL reason they were banned.
They can't handle the truth. They need to be well-loved & appreciated. Maybe they aren't in their real lives so they've gotta come to a virtual one to get their daily dosage of love. And if that's not enough, hate has to come into play. Getting people to dislike them actually makes them feel wanted.

It's some psychological problem. As a graduate of Psychology, I highly recommend psychiatric help.

For the new site, I'm thinking maybe this needs to be changed. Like actually implement the "Hall of Shame" we've talked about so many times before.
I wholeheartedly support this "Hall of Shame". We can show off the n00bs that we have washed away with our detergent.. They want an explanation anyway, so we give them one.

Maybe then we won't need as strong a detergent as we are using now.. My hands are peeling. It's as if I'm using bleech to clean away the noobs. :cry:

[Pugwash]

As far as I know, no, I've never been "yelled" at. Aside from a few banner and specific forum rules, the general rules of this forum is common sense and hardly any different from other sites.

1. Don’t post crap.

2. Make your topic titles descriptive, NO "suspense" titles allowed.

3. Post in the appropriate forum.

4. Do NOT spam the forums or solicit JCNET members via PM.

5. Give credit to whomever it belongs.

6. Use the SEARCH function, or just look around before posting!

7. Don't post a topic to a specific person.

8. Follow the banner rules

9. Type in readable ENGLISH!

10. REFRAIN FROM using loads of Singlish, Manglish, or any other special dialects.



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Exceptions apply when in specific threads… “Singlish cheaper, shorter, faster, more economical and effective” according to some.
[Note to WG07rs – Make a vote and post an honest reply! Make another post if you already have before.]

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11. Chinese & other foreign characters not allowed without translation.

11 simple rules. Nothing there is mind boggling at all. As for the hall of shame, I don't think it's necessary. It's just a waste of someone's time. I'd just ban them and be done with. :wink2:

[tomato_0]

i didnt get yelled at, but i deserved to get my rep points taken away coz as a newbie i didnt read the rules =S

but its all good, the mods are heaps good people =]

[akane_chou]

i voted on option 1.

i got "yelled" at by laruku. to be frank, when i got scolded [actually im just exaggerating, he merely pointed it out], i got a bit down and realized that it was after all my fault, being so direct and all and i vowed to change.

so now, there's nearly 0.0001% of smut in my posts. i keep them safely. anyway, no mods are mean . except for cats. that one you have to look out for. you might fall for his charms. :rolleyes:

i dont hold grudges. its a waste of time.

[seaweedpatchkid]

I think...most mods/admin knew me after all the trouble I caused once upon a time. I got an...indirect scolding I guess. But I deserved it.

[macdawn]

PATCHY! WE NEVER YELLED AT YOU!!!!

Nah, patchy, we love you too much to do that :kisschee:

but its all good, the mods are heaps good people =]
Easy there, tomato, otherwise people think mods are nice people.

The mod/admin do try to be nice, but sometimes, it between be nice and let no0bs run amok in JCN, or be bad, really bad and pull the no0bes, kicking and screaming they might be, OUT of JCN. I do try to be nice, though....:angel:

-MacDawn

[kirasuran]

well i chose "other" .... ive never been screamed at by a mod or admin cos when i first came here i read the rules and looked at examples of what happened so far...so i tried not to do anything wrong and i didnt.

but i DID somehow (i still dont understand) offend someone....who took away like 5 rep points...a long time ago. im over it now...but if anyone feels like giving me those 5 points id be MORE THAN HAPPY TO RECEIVE THEM!!! :-)

haha~

[dagamezmasta]

I remember I was PMed a few times by mods to notify me that they had deleted or moved my threads because I placed them in the wrong forums. And after 2 or 3 wrongly placed threads, cats told me to please be sure I put the threads in the right forums or I might be banned. Heh after that I was pararnoid when starting threads :D But none of the mods were ever rude and mean... they always told me nicely and gave me some warnings if my behavior became too bad.

Anyway, the mods here really are friendly. If you get to know them... they're actually really awesome. *Sigh* I miss Alby.

[lil~jo]

I havent been yelled as as of yet.

Not entirely sure if I should have been in the past.

But I think it is all good now.
Such hierachy is needed in every communittee.
if it doesnt exist, we will not exist.
It plainly just sorts us all out.

For those who don't understand the importance of admins and mods, they do get angry....
But its for the good of the site.

Things should not change. Its great as it is.

[stitchphil]

I haven't been yelled at before, and I'm not sure if I should have been either, but I do think that for all the rules this site has, the mods/admin are not strict to the extend that this site runs like the military, they do tend to let things slide from time to time instead of whacking you the first time around.

However, rules are necessary, in every forum, everywhere you go, to keep things in a standard order. It'll be a disaster if everyone is allowed to do what they want, when they want, with no clear line of formality and authority.

So are the mods / admins strict at times? Of course they are, they have to be. But are they rude or mean? Definately not.

[Sting]

I've been yelled at by a person who negative rep me. I'm pretty sure it's frm an admin or moderator because he/she said i posted at wrong section and shifted my thread.

[princessKitty]

:laughing: Yep, I remember back in my newbie days, I didn't know how to do things so when I had trouble putting up an avater, I asked for help and our dear Karen came in and give me a good yelling off.

(I hope you don't mind me posting this Karen:

http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showpost.php?p=424570&postcount=19)

Was I annoyed? Yes. Did I think it was rude? Yes. Considering I only joined about 5 days after I posted for help and never had any experience whatsoever with forums, I got a telling off for something I felt someone could've just given me a nice simple answer. But I guess it is annoying if someone can't do something simple and many just ask the same question again and again.

Anyway, I deserved the telling off but I did feel at that time is was a teeny bit rude. But I don't hold the grudge anymore even though I remembered this. =)

[lattae]

You know what pisses me off even more?

What I find unfair and BASTARDLY is when that person goes around telling people why they were banned, but making up the reason to make it seem the mods are being unfair to them. In other words, telling people everything but the REAL reason they were banned. Again we get our reputation smeared. Let me remind everyone, there are 2 sides to every story. Prominent members aren't banned for no good reason, keep that in mind. And even the most prominent members still have to abide by forum rules.
Yup, the sort of thing that makes me wanna quit modding sometimes. Mods usually take up the job to help keep the forum organised. I can say without qualms that I took up the job cos I thought I could help Karen out here (after all the interaction, karen is a friend more than anything, and it's like helping a friend).

It's irritating when people conclude that I "need a life", and I am doing this to feel "powerful"... Seriously... I do have a life, and in my day job, I am reasonably "powerful". That comes with enough responsibilities that I pretty much want to keep my "off job" hours as low profile and responsibility free as possible. I don't need a "mod" title to boost my ego. Besides, mods are the next to noobs when it comes to being seen as the most "disliked" beings on the forum. I feel more like a outcast/slave than a "priviledged person".

Being a mod sucks really, you are like public enemy. Most members are more willing to believe and trust a fellow member. Plus, there are some threads we can't really "visit" cos it's way too chaotic... and going by the book, posts wil have to be cleaned, reps have to be docked. Yet we wanted to leave some "freedom" to the members, so we close an eye, and have to just keep ourselves outta there lest we are seen by others who'd mistake that as "appropriate" behaviour. It's not like we don't want to interact with you guys in the regular threads at times, it's like not "right" for us to enter without "correcting" things, which would make us appear as "stiff" and "unreasonable". It's like we get excluded cos members in the thread are doing things we can't do. And it saddens me at times, cos I really do want to interact more with the members at large.

In addition, for some reason, members "imagine" that we dislike them or are picking on them, when we try to do our job. It's like hard for people to separate their "post" and themselves. It's like, we may find the way you post inappropriate and hence clean it up/warn you, but we don't "dislike" you as a person. It's a separate issue altogether. I believe that 99.99% of the members here are great people, just sometimes making minor errors at times. Our actions are directed at a specific post/thread, not at you!?!?!

The "rumour" that mods are mean/strict doesn't help. It's an "image" created by the members, you... None of us are mean. Come on, alby and saggy are like the funniest people I know, vunsin and karen are like master of witty lines, teresa, dazz and sinny are like the sweetest people around, even OCD macdawn is like real fun to be with. I could go on. You see, it's all this biased, inacccurate rumours that make us seem like evil. And all the members are psyched up to believe that every statement we make is to condemn members.

Very often, it is members who report the problem and we just go in and clean up. We become the target of hate cos we do jobs that members themselves ask of us to do. AND the key phrase is "clean up". How many times have we openly shamed a person? Can you name any? Usually we don't even leave traces. Even if we need to point to some example to show what shouldn't be done, we NEVER name names. Sometimes it's the guilt within the culprit that causes them to overreact. Anyone "out of the picture" may not even know who it is.

Okay, I don't want this to turn into a "rant". I just feel like maybe people should get some insight to our side of the story. And this "long post" isn't even enough to paint the complete picture of what the mods/admins go through. People speak up for friends/fellow members, few speak up for mods/admins. Sometimes it gets tiring being the bad guy.

Just put yourselves in our shoes and think for a second. It's really not easy to go around getting snubbed at by members all the time. If you think being a mod is fun, think again.

(P.S. Karen, I am not throwing in the towel yet alright? Just letting it out...)

[IsaBonita]

well in my case no
i didnt do anything wrong or something
the oppisit occured
i got a rep. without knowing that i did something well
lol that was fun !

[yingyi]

no one has ever yelled at me here, because i dont post alot (cos im scared). but i witnessed many people being yelled. and plus, the bold-supersized alerts at the top of subforums make me feel like im being yelled. those really scare me.. so its keeping me from participating in discussions/being active. esp in a 'crowded' thread.

[ene]

no one has ever yelled at me here, because i dont post alot (cos im scared). but i witnessed many people being yelled. and plus, the bold-supersized alerts at the top of subforums make me feel like im being yelled. those really scare me.. so its keeping me from participating in discussions/being active. esp in a 'crowded' thread.

Oh dear. That's not good :console: I mean, seriously, we all started as newbies at one stage or another. I for one, was really scared of Karen (really!). I was afraid of posting and honestly, lurked for a long long time before I dared to post a couple of messages here and there. It got better with practise and after a while, you are in the swing of things and realise that hey, it's not that bad afterall!!

Modding is not an easy job but someone has to do it.

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

I got yelled by.. Um, don't know who? Yes jayx8318x before, and laruku. Laruku is because i was simply darn mad for him/her criticizing Jolin etc, and i just simply "helped" the fans to thrash Jolin haters. Till now, when i read the Jolin threads, i got reallyreally bad reputation towards some mods/admin. It's like they could show their true colors in the Jolin thread. Hmm, enough of my ramblings bout Jolin.


Well mostly i still love some of the lovely mods/admins like wackycashew, she's really friendly(:

[laruku]

I'm not a mod/admin!!! :cry: Am I really that mean???????

This thread is supposed to be for mean mods/admins!!!! Wahhh!!!!!!!!!!!

*runs to a corner to wail*

[ene]

darn mad for him/her criticizing Jolin etc, and i just simply "helped" the fans to thrash Jolin haters.
But this is a forum which means everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I don't see a need to "gang up" and "bash" someone else just cos so-and-so does not like your favourite artiste.

Hm.....

[JianDan[Ai]]

im mean, ill rip your tongue out ^^

See yingqi, you shouldnt be scared. I suppose thats what we are out to fix. I think a lot of the idea that mods get angry at people is based off simple misinterpetation of what people say online.

Another thing being, Karen you really strive to make this the best forums possible, both in terms of content and appearance. So to keep the forums ideal its necessary for us mods to yell once in a while I suppose. Perhaps we should implement an IQ test when you sign up? LOL ...wait thats means I wouldnt be here then ._.;;

[seaweedpatchkid]

*choke* laruku? scary?

You've gotta be kidding me! LMAO. I remember those IRC days...XD

[shez]

i've never got a scolding yet ^_^ it's because i read the rules like a good girl :P and because i've had past experiences when i was a noob in different forums and pissed people off a lot.... i have had the guild of some friendly senoir members though :D

[Starylosophy]

I've never been "yelled" by any of the mods/admins before, but there was once when I translated a news article, a mod de-repped me because of some grammar mistakes.

But she made a few mistakes herself when she translated news too, so I was feeling alittle uneasy and disturbed about it.

From then onwards, I wasn't that confident of posting translations anymore.

But overall, I feel that the tone used by some of the mods/admins should change. Unless the member is really unreasonable like the barauch case. I must still commend on the mods/admins as I feel that they have done a great job for keeping JCNet so neat and organized. I really appreciate that :happy:

[macdawn]

Come on, alby and saggy are like the funniest people I know, vunsin and karen are like master of witty lines, teresa, dazz and sinny are like the sweetest people around....
*Nod head*
Yeah, Pin, Vun, Karen, Teresa, Dazzy, Sinny and me, we are all pretty nice peo... Wait a minute....

even OCD macdawn is like real fun to be with.
Even me? Me? What's wrong with being OCD? I like being OCD! How dare you speak bad of me....I'm... I'm.. I'm gonna BAN you!

*moment silence*
Oh, I can't ban a mod? Darn.

-MacDawn

[yukiko]

by the way, what is OCD?

for my experience, if the mod have to take action, they should tell the people who they are. so there's no people who act his/her own way. i mean only the mods/admin can yell at the member. not member to member. member only can send friendly warning to anyone who have made mistake if they really want to help mod to manage the forum

[wanie_jay]

yeah, once, but for a very good reason. my banner was very colorful that it irritates...erm, at that time, i thought it looks nice..i PMed Jason, and he replied and explained about that, just like that....

that was the only time, i felt stupid here...

[EricOng]

I have been degrade my reputation points before mainly because of double post. But in fact, I didn't. Its the member/mod himself who deleted a member's post before me and I think I got a mod to minus my reputation point.

[stitchphil]

by the way, what is OCD?

It's Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder.

From then onwards, I wasn't that confident of posting translations anymore.


Aww Starry, I'm sure it'll be fine if you continued translating! Let me share this with you, when I first started posting news, I only posted those in the papers that was already in English because there was a lot more less things for me to worry about, format, language, etc.

Then there was this once I realised that it wouldn't get me very far since most of the new of Jay were in Chinese and they hardly make it to the English papers. So there was this once, before I started translating, I actually PM-ed Jase when I was still very much a newbie and asked if that article was appropriate, and he replied to my surprise.

He told me to think weather or not is that article gonna benefit the rest of the members and stuff and guided me along. And before long, I found myself translating from time to time. It just needs getting used to.

Hmm.... Where's Jase nowadays anyway? :worry:

[crazygiggles13]

No, and rightfully so as I've never done anything wrong. :D
arent i such a good girl..keke..
well..ive i have done somthing wrong..i didnt know i did and i havent gotten caught :wink2: keke
btw..who's Jase? ive never actually seen him around :blush: ..sori!..

[Starylosophy]

ZY, well I think I've translated around 4-5 articles so far and it's not an easy job because I know the standard of English must be of a standard. And some chinese words are not easy to translate back to English and I consulted dictionaries and searching the net for the right translations.

Perhaps I'm not really cut out for translating news articles. I'm translating quite an amount of videos recently for some news in another forum. I hope this will improve my translation skills. :rolleyes:

I guess Jase is too busy recently wearing BoA's levis. :bleh:

[princessKitty]

btw..who's Jase? ive never actually seen him around :blush: ..sori!..

Jason is sagara0510, J.C Net's Moderator.

[seaweedpatchkid]

Otherwise known as Saggy. :) He's been..."around".

[xJayChoux]

sigh... i get so upset by reading the whole "members vs. mods/admins." thing...

i just don't understand why people think we are mean. i remember when someone started that thread in the polls section about who's the meanest / nicest mods at JCnet. :oops: my eyes went O_O everytime i checked up on that thread. some fellow mods who are actually very nice and friendly suddenly became the evil demons at the forums. =\

like lattae said, when you feel like we're attacking you, we're NOT. we're NOT scolding you or anything, we're just telling you what you've done wrong and correcting it. of course we get irritated when there's like this super size 20 bolded sticky on top of every forum telling you what to and not to do and you still break those rules. we don't have a forum called ANNOUNCEMENT with the forum rules and what you need to know about the site for nothing. it's on the site EVERYWHERE: read the rules, read the faq., read the banner rules, etc. if people break those rules over an over again, we wonder if you've truly read those rules. if you don't like them, then leave. if you broke them without reading, well, pardon me for telling you off.

we have a life too you know, we also come online just like you to have some "freedom" out of our busy lives. you chose to be here yourself, you want an organised, non-noobie palace and this is what you get. we chose to take this job to help karen keep the forums as organised as possible. i'm sorry we aren't robots, we have feelings too. you think it's easy when you're taking care of a thread which has been posted in the wrong forum and then the starter of that thread starts hating you? i didn't become a mod to be hated and avoided. i'm talking for all of us mods, we are doing this to make this a better place for YOU... for all of us.

just think about it...

[jaychou_21]

Oh, good God, YES, I've been yelled at by a mod before!
Not once, not twice, not thrice, but at least 6 different occasions by at least 4 different mods and admins.

The offences:
1. HUGE banner
2. oversized banner
3. oversized banner
4. creating another account and replying to my own posts :oops:
(which is prohibited but sometimes the mods let the doppelgangers slip)
5. PMing all the mods and admins about unfair reputation given to me.
6. posting adult material

Did I feel bad about it? Of course I felt bad.
But did I sulk in a corner, leave JCNET for eternity or go around telling how 'MEAN' the mods / admins are?
No, never. Why? Because I think I deserved it. I never thought of it as a PUNISHMENT though.
We are disciplined to teach us what's right and what's wrong,
what's good or bad, and to point out our weaknesses and how we can overcome our negativities.

It feels good to be 'yelled at' by a higher authority sometimes.
It's not like they're doing it just for fun. It's not fun to 'yell' / 'fire' / 'flame' at people.
It's part of their 'job' as moderators, and they're doing it for the benefit of everyone, including the offenders.
You're only told off for doing something wrong and the mods are just doing it
to correct your unrighteousness so you wouldn't do the same mistakes again.
It's their job to MODERATE the site in the first place, so you don't expect
them to ignore you even if you're violating the rules.
What would become of JCNET without them?
Without people to protect the 'good crop' from the 'rotten' ones?
A place where there are no rules, no guardians of morality. Think about it.

If you're still prejudiced towards the admins and the mods, how would you feel if you were in their shoes?
I'm sure it's not fun to monitor the forums and always watching out for n0obs, leechers,
and other members who can potentially do harm to other members or create havoc around the forums,
leading to the decomposition of this place many of us call our second home.

To those who do not fully understand the responsibilites of an admin or a moderator,
kindly read this post (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showpost.php?p=655760&postcount=18) and I hope you get the essence of the message and what it is trying to convey.

[sagara0510]

Otherwise known as Saggy. :) He's been..."around".

i'm only known as 'saggy' to you vivian! and i told u to keep it to urself! stop bringing up the past! >.< lmao!

but actually when u say 'around' you're pretty on the ball there... work has been tough and i've been preoccupied with other things but im always 'around' so don't misbehave!

and like many of my fellow mods/vips have already said... we're really a friendly bunch!

and to b honest... i think most of the time when we're 'moderating' something, its generally done quietly without much fuss... we move threads and edit topics without cautions or warnings... we remove banners and state the reason why it was done...

the only real time we will 'scold' some1 is if they are a repeat offender or we might PM them a caution just to advise them that what they have done isn't really right..

oh and for all those members out there who actually PM us and ask us for advice instead of doing the wrong thing and making our lives hard i have one thing to say to you all...

THANK YOU!

oh and no... im not wearing her (BoA's) levi's... altho she does look good in them!

[twilighthush]

A recent circumstance has revealed that diplomacy is apparently not universal.

[sagara0510]

well sometimes when a member whom has been around for awhile and should know what the right thing is decides to have a go at another member publicly, we have to react in kind.

that doesn't happen often but when the wrong strings are pulled... it can happen if u know what i mean... and i think you do.

[twilighthush]

Considering the fact that said member never publicly said anything wrong, or remotely impolite, about any other member, but was using terms universally, I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean at all, sir.

Reading comprehension has a lot to do with misunderstandings of completely diplomatic posts. If you know what I mean. And I think you do.

[sagara0510]

well you know... it wasn't the words used. its the message between the lines.

but i'm hoping we can all move past that already

[twilighthush]

The words were literal. There was no metaphorical representation of anything. If I wanted to use metaphor, I would use it much more deliberately. There was no message between the lines. :|

But yeah. I think we've covered that point in PM.

Discussion dropped?

[JianDan[Ai]]

Guys, do I hafta run around after both of you to whichever thread you go and clean up after the both of you? Im not a baby sitter!

Mods have our own emotions that sometimes override our better judgement. We are only human. However as mods we should be able to accept our mistakes, apologize and try to not do them again.

On that same token, you shouldnt go provoking a Mod, esp Jase here.

[twilighthush]

^ Not trying to. I just wanted to state my piece. I may not be a Regular, but I am a part of this forum, and I still have a very small, but distinct, voice. And since other members are relating their experiences, I was relating my own.

[sagara0510]

its cool alby!

chill out buddy we've resolved any differences we may have had

go find some other babies to sit with >.<

[JianDan[Ai]]

Aite thats good to hear then, daddy is happy and is gonna go get himself breakfast now.

[jayx8318x]

I know the discussion was resolved concerning the other thread. But seeing how my name was brought up half a dozen times, I still feel like I need to give my 2 cents. If you have no idea what I'm talking about then stop reading now as it probably won't make any sense.




I don't think Dawn meant to sound overtly disciplinary in her post. She was just concerned that the cart was being put before the horse. I admit it could have been worded in a less accusatory way. Consequently twilighthush responded as I expected anyone would in the same situation. Now did I find her reply disrepectful or tactless? Absolutely NOT.

I was disappointed moreso in the way it was handled afterwards. It was exactly undoing everything I wanted to fix. I don't blame Dawn for making that post in the first place. Ask any of the Mods/VIPs, and they'll tell you Dawn will ask us all 5-10 times if it's ok if she posts something concerning the site. So for her to make the initiative is something to commend. The ugliness was due to misinterpretation, or even "over-interpretation" of what she said, and then the ensuing ugliness over twilighthush's reply in her own defense.

Now to address the points brought up, and to make myself VERY CLEAR..seeing how I'm misquoted and misunderstood alot, I'll make this post easy to read.




1. Concerning non-group members applying to be moderator
In the recruiting thread (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=19896), YES I clearly state at the top that only social group members can apply to be mod. But do we always follow what Karen asks? Of course not. However, the only reason I haven't said anything, or posted additional "yelling" posts as I'm so famous for, is because it's not hurting anyone that these non-group members are applying. In the end WE select the ones WE WANT. Now as an example, in contrast I yell and scream when people apply to multiple groups because it does cause problems. All the group leaders cannot see who applies to what group. So it's a headache to clear up, and that's why I stress it.

Lesson 1: Pick and choose your battles, save your energy
If I see no need to yell and remind, then I won't because it's not hurting or causing problems to anyone. The whole recruiting process is transparent. We all see who applies, we all see who belongs in a group or not.


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2. About twilighthush acting as if she was already chosen to be moderator
The above is NOT my opinion. It is a concern that a few of the mods/vips have shared and discussed in the VIP lounge.

Now in twilighthush's defense, she is not a group member obviously. However, she has applied and I've denied her 2 months in a row. I've said to another LQP member and the VIPs and the SMods, that if she can stick it out one more month and prove her worth, then she will be accepted. With that being said, I feel that by the time the planning is done, she will be a group member and everything will work out fine. That is why I haven't put my foot down concerning her planning for the spotlight forum. This is NOT to say I've accepted her as mod 100%, it is saying I'm NOT disqualifying her 100%, as I've done for some of the other non-group members.

In the VIP lounge, when her name is brought up as not being qualified to be a mod, I have expressed my support because I do think she is qualified to mod her spotlight forum. SO, I don't see how the VIPs/Mods could've gotten the impression I agree with them. If that is not true, please correct me so I can be more careful in the future to what I say or don't say.

Lession 2: One or 2 views from a VIP or SMod does not represent the views of ALL of us.
I almost want to attribute the incident to cultural differences. Most of the active VIPs/Mods seem to share a traditional Eastern view of: Do what you're told, Respect your seniors, and Don't overstep your bounds. While on the other hand, those of us with a Western influence, including me, share a more liberal view. And that sometimes shows in the way we handle situations. So when twilighthush stepped in to lead, they felt like their toes were stepped on, as was pointed out.

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3. About twilighthush acting as leader of the spotlight forum
I think she should be applauded for the time and effort she has put in to organize this forum. All I've seen her do is lead, not act like she was queen of the forums. Haven't I said many times before that I'm tired of wearing out my "stamp of approval" ? If I don't see something as completely out of order, harmful to the other members, a headache for the mods, breaking the forum rules, then why do we need to step in and stop it? I've asked people to help out, and that's what she was doing. I'm still at a lost on what she did wrong ??
The spotlight forum isn't 100% approved, it is "pending, most likely approved" ...if there was certainty that I wasn't going to include this forum, I would have stopped her a long time ago. Not let it drag on for 2 weeks now. What's the difference between what she's doing and what judes is doing in terms of organizing alot of the other stuff? Nothing other than twilighthush isn't a group member, and the VIPs/Mods are not familiar with her, and expressed concern...which I understand from their POV, but she shouldn't have been ridiculed in public.

Lesson 3: To the Supermods, don't be afraid to accept ideas from someone that doesn't have a Mod or VIP badge. Our dozen minds can only come up with so many ideas. And the fact that we all are so use to each other and been around each other, we eventually start to become very homogenous in the way we think or act. Sometimes the ideas or actions from an outsider is the breath of fresh air we need.

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4. Clarification on the duty of SuperMod vs. Mod
I was really uncomfortable on the way this was interpreted, so let me clarify. I initially stated:
Each of the Supermoderators will be given jurisdiction over which
forums to watch, and a Moderator will be assigned to actually moderate
them. Think of yourself as their apprentice. They will be your guide.
But in the end, you are responsible for what goes on in that forum(s).

I clearly said, SMods WATCH, Mods actually MODERATE
What I want to happen is the Mods are the ones that make the decisions for the forum they are modding. Any concerns or questions they have, they are to ask the SMods. If the SMod feels the Mod is doing something wrong, then they are to step in and guide. We are in essence training people that will eventually become SMods. Now if all the Mods do is follow direct orders from the SMods, what do we accomplish? Nothing good from what I see..the autonomy and decision making skills are lost! Again this is exactly what I'm trying to fix. The SMods feel they need my stamp of approval for everything. I'm trying to tell them they don't. So if they train the Mods in this old way, we are exactly at square one and nothing is changed.

In Dawn's defense, I can see how she got the other idea because I told her she could mod the translation forums. Now those are special since they do require a bit of experience and not just anyone can be given full reign to mod them. It is the exception, not the rule. But I can see how she applied that rule to all the other forums. That's my fault for not making clear.

Lesson 4: To the Supermods, you'll outgrow and move on eventually. We all know that, so take this time to share your knowledge. And along with everything you've done for us, let it be your ultimate contribution to JCNET.

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5. On the VIPs/SMods "ganging" up on a member
They did exactly what's in our basic instincts, defend your clan. Wolves and monkeys do it and we're no different in this microcosm we call JCNET.
But this is the reason people are afraid to speak out against us, we gang up on them and tell them they're wrong, how dare you question our judgement, etc. I think maybe it's because we're use to n00bs and idiots telling us off, when someone with some decency and intellect does it, we're caught off guard too much to change our tune.
And I honestly think that when a Mod/VIP has a differing view than their peers, they won't openly say it as to not go ""against the grain" or be blacksheeped.

Lession 5: To the VIPs/SMods, there's no need to always act as a collective block. And remember to put yourself in someone else's shoes, and not always in those gold-shiny VIP shoes.

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6. On the SMods acting too authoritative or being the "fun ruiner"
I think we have the idea of "moderating" completely wrong. For example, a lifeguard doesn't go around stopping people from getting in the pool because they may drown, a lifeguard is there to save you when they see you are in trouble. It seems the mods are acting more like the lifeguard who's there to stop instead of save. And it's the latter not the former that *I* believe we should be here for...

Lession 6: To the SMods, is anyone breaking the rules? Are the members being placed in harmful situations? Is the site being compromised? Just remember to ask yourself such questions. With the spotlight forum discussions, I didn't see any of that. In the end if I decided we didn't need a spotlight forum, then they can be mad at me all they want for wasting their time. And that is the WORST that could happen. Big whoop, I add a few more names of people who hate me because of this site. In the meanwhile, the planning and discussion isn't hurting anyone.

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This is getting incessently long, and I still have more lessons I wanted to share. But anyways, if anyone (regardless of your caste :rolleyes:) disagrees, agrees, or wants to share your opinions on any of my points, feel free. I promise I won't yell or call you stupid, unless you're one of those people who, as a suggestion on ways to improve the site, offered things like "yes! just make it easier!" or "I think you should make the site better, ok bye!" My tolerance only extends to people who can coherently express themselves.

[seaweedpatchkid]

I agree with Karen down to the incessantly long part. But I'm interested in hearing more of Karen's life lessons. LOL.

Honestly, I've seen how some people have been yelled and such by Mods, but half the time they deserve it. I've never actually been YELLED at by a mod or admin, but I've caused my fair share of trouble and I know that you feel really bad about it without the help of a mod or admin scolding you.

Perhaps we all just need an attitude readjustment. Keep scolding and yelling down to a minimum and being a helping hand instead.

[lattae]

I actually survived reading that long post. :sweat:

*sits around and waits for lesson 2* :tongue:

[newg]

Nope! Thank god! I have'nt been "yelled" at by other Mod but I did have mistakes.

I always forgot about the banner size! >.< But they are nice enough just to PM me.

[attentionxreader]

I don't think I've done anything wrong throughout my whole stay at JC.Net. And I personally think that the mods are quite fair when it comes to handling things.

[c_c_]

I've never been yelled at by a mod/admin, but I think that sometimes, I might make mistakes and they let me slide cause I don't do it intentionally (though I really don't know, like I said, they never yelled at me, so I'm clueless)...

it's sorta like leaving the house for school and thinking you forgot something, y'know?

that's why I'm reading all the site rules and stuff in depth right now, so from now on, I'll be SURE that I haven't broken any rules.

[Sugar&Spice]

I just came across this thread!! I read the whole thing too. HECK YEAH!! I'm always being yelled at by the Mods. Everytime I turn around it seems like they are saying something. I have gotten yelled at and PMed by I believe it was Karen, and Latte, Judes is the biggest one, I got a PM from her today, and another one I forgot her name. The reasons?! Let me list them,

1. Spelling and grammer mistakes.

2. Posting long qoutes, and then writng my reply.

3. Being too argumentive in the debate forums.

Yeah, at first I was mad. And hated all of the mods, because I thought they were all the same, mean. Except for twilighthush, I like her. Why I don't know.

But after I read this thread, I realised that theirjob is king of hard. I mean they were giving me HELL!! But I guess I was giving them some HELL too. I can be a rebble at times, and I don't like to be told anything. But after reading about how much they don't want to be mean. It makes me want to stop being such a rebble, and try to make things easier for them, and myself.

[thenbagamer]

yea. once i was spamming lol, cuz i was a noobie

[vitaminjaychou]

the person was rude and really sterotypical. basicially saying im young and i need to think more before i post which basicially means young people need to think before they post. made me mad i wanted to yell but then i didnt.

[ghettosushi713]

hahaha i was told to type out my words since i always abbreviate
it's because im so used to typing abbreviated like "rly" or "ttly"
but the person who told me to stop (sushii) was REALLY nice about it =)
yayayayay for jcnet!

[yayableu]

hehehehee.
some peeps yelled at the mods themselves?
interesting.

*runs away*

[kwonsang26]

:shy: I got into a couple of squabbles with mod/admin before because of misunderstandings.However,they were trying to be as polite,professional,& mature as possible.

But I have a bad habit of saying or doing things that I don't mean whenever I feel offended or patronized.So I always apologize if I feel that I was wrong because I came to JCNet to make friends,learn,& have fun by trying to get along with everyone.

I learned that many members don't intend to be rude,but it's just the way that they talk.Which is why I try to get to know users so misuderstandings won't happen anymore.

When I first joined,I know I spammed quite a bit because of the excitement of all these interesting topics.But I always tried my best to follow the rules by not posting one liners,color fonts, constant abbreviations & I also read the sticky topics.

Additionally,I always check my grammar to make sure my posts are readable english & I always think before I post.So I think the mod/admin saw all that & let me slide with some of my spamming lol.Which I commend them for because I know I can be a really opinionated person at times.

It's not like we don't want to interact with you guys in the regular threads at times, it's like not "right" for us to enter without "correcting" things, which would make us appear as "stiff" and "unreasonable". It's like we get excluded cos members in the thread are doing things we can't do. And it saddens me at times, cos I really do want to interact more with the members at large.

I understand what lattae was saying in her really nice post explaining what mod/admin have to go through.However,I don't see why mod/admin have to feel excluded,stiff,or appear unreasonable,instead of joining in the fun & conversations in the threads.

Because I know for a fact that most mod/admin are adults & it's really nice to hear a mature intelligent post from an adult's point of view at times you know.Not saying that minors don't have meaningful posts either.

But I would personally like to see more activity & interaction from mod/admin in the threads & I always wondered why they rarely post in the threads.Because mod/admin are JCNet members too,so why shouldn't they join in.

Overall,I noticed that mods/admin always try to be as fair as possible & give multiple chances,even to problematic users who were eventually banned or are improving.So I just like to say with as much compassion as they have shown,great job mod/admin team.^^:bleh:

[ColaPoP]

But I would personally like to see more activity & interaction from mod/admin in the threads & I always wondered why they rarely post in the threads.Because mod/admin are JCNet members too,so why shouldn't they join in.
I would personally like to see a lot of things happen in life... so I choose to focus on the things I can change (and implement those changes through my own actions) and disregard the things I cannot change (other peoples actions).

How would you feel if I tried to tell you what you should do with your free time?
You'd probably tell me to mind my own business...

Why don't you give us a break and let us post when and how we want to?
I interact on JCNet for my enjoyment, not yours. So please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do with my free time.

[twilighthush]

^ Agreeing to all of the above.

Why do we have to join in all the time everywhere? It's not necessary, sometimes we just don't have something to say. Sometimes we're too busy to do much more than just manage our own forum. Sometimes we don't even have time to manage our own forum, let alone chat with anyone else. And sometimes we just don't care enough.

Also, just because you can't see it, don't assume we aren't talking with each other.

Furthermore, we don't just say things that are meaningless or pointless all the time. If we say things, usually there is a reason. We don't make 200 posts a month for the sake of accumulating points, reputation, or anything along those lines, unlike some other members here because it's not necessary to us.

Interaction is great, but mods/admin have lives too.

[laruku]

^ I am extremely active recently.. I have nothing better to do!!! :cry:
But then again, my 2.2 posts/day average is soooo much lower than the 7 posts/day average I have seen others have.. :rolleyes:

Anyway, to add to the above, often before I post, even till now, I think if its necessary. If I don't see any need for this thread, I'll stop and go somewhere else. If I don't think I have anything constructive or even mildly interesting to say, I'll just.. not reply.

Having a high number of posts is not going to make me popular anyway. No difference to my life...

Overall,I noticed that mods/admin always try to be as fair as possible & give multiple chances,even to problematic users who were eventually banned or are improving.
Who are the problematic ones I ask? We haven't banned anyone in the period you are here. So how would you know who are banned and who are improving?? Pray tell us. I'm curious.

[ker_ai_teresa]

^ I am extremely active recently.. I have nothing better to do!!! :cry:

yeah I've noticed. :bleh:
go get a life Reene!!
like the rest of us mods and admins who have other things to do like work to earn a living.

I'd like to be here 24/7 too and spam all the threads...but I can't. :cry:

[jayx8318x]

It's understandable when a new member joins us they're overwhelmed. Many jump in without reading, or understanding how we work. But it's when they've been here for months yet still don't get the idea, is when we have to step in.

Why we don't jump in on discussions? Well most of us have been here for 3+ years...there's just so much you can be interested in or discuss anymore that you didn't 3 years ago already. My posts now are NOTHING like those when I first started. You'd be quite surprised...I was a total fangirl. The mods/admins and senior members tend to talk alot more in their private forums. And I know that sounds snotty, but really it's because we've known each other for so long, there are more personal issues we like to talk about, like stuff going on in our lives. Things like that we're just not comfy sharing in public.

Alot of us have also grown out of Jay, we come here for the friends mostly. And most importantly, alot of us have grown up. I know it may seem bias to a new member that most of the mods are 20+, but that's because most all started here when they were just teens as well.

We all pretty much have a "been there, done that" mentality.

And the problem with written text is that emotions behind it aren't clear. I know alot of my posts/PMs to members must sound condescending or rude, but they are so not! It's just we use proper grammar, punctuation, spelling, and syntax, instead of a more relaxed SMS way or something, and lack of smilies and such. But again, alot of us are adults! We are either in college where we're required to write term paper after term paper, or we're working in the real world where proper written communication is a must, so it kind of sticks with you the rest of the day in everything you do.

when i start typing like dis :bleh: i feel sum1's gonna smack my hand with a ruler

Overall, I commend your enthusiasm and dedication to fostering this community. I'm glad we still have members that can do things for the JCnet instead of take. And also that you're working on your "sensitivity" issues. It's just the net, rarely is anything taken seriously.


edit: It's ok reene! I've been slacking too

[twilighthush]

^ Aww Karen is so nice sometimes. *cuddles* <3

(You know, I really can't help it, but every time I read your posts, I hear Ayu's voice in my head. Probably because of your Ayu avatar. So whenever I see you, I think Ayu. Funny enough, I think you and Ayu have similar personalities regarding a lot of things. XD)

[laruku]

You know, I really can't help it, but every time I read your posts, I hear Ayu's voice in my head. Probably because of your Ayu avatar. So whenever I see you, I think Ayu.
Tell me about it.. Even now I think Karen = Ayu..

Just like how Cats = Gogo (from Kill Bill)
Ene = Namie Amuro

[twilighthush]

...Hmmmm I wonder if Karen really does look like Ayu. XD;

Hey Karen, do you? XD I don't think we've ever seen a pic of you :o

[kwonsang26]

I would personally like to see a lot of things happen in life... so I choose to focus on the things I can change (and implement those changes through my own actions) and disregard the things I cannot change (other peoples actions).

*flabbergasted sigh* :excited: Where did all that come from pei???I am not trying to change anybody.You totally misunderstood what I was trying to say.

I was actually rooting for the mod/admin team & was trying to cheer you guys up because I was a moderator for a small forum a couple years ago.So I know how stressful it can be.

How would you feel if I tried to tell you what you should do with your free time?
You'd probably tell me to mind my own business...

No I wouldn't tell you to mind your own business.I would actually consider what you told me because I have alot of respect for you.But now I know how you feel towards me.:cry:

Additionally,I was not telling you guys what to do at all!I was implying that mod/admin shouldn't have to feel excluded because they are users too.How is that offensive when I was actually trying to support you guys???

Why don't you give us a break and let us post when and how we want to?
I interact on JCNet for my enjoyment, not yours. So please don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do with my free time.

I was not implying that mod/admin should post more so I can be entertained at all.But you're right,your free time is yours to spend however you want.

So I won't tell you what to do anymore & yes I will give you a break & won't ever bother you with anymore PM's again.Although it saddens me to see you respond this way towards a intended supportive post.:cry:


Why do we have to join in all the time everywhere?

Furthermore, we don't just say things that are meaningless or pointless all the time. If we say things, usually there is a reason. We don't make 200 posts a month for the sake of accumulating points, reputation, or anything along those lines, unlike some other members here because it's not necessary to us.

Interaction is great, but mods/admin have lives too.

Hi twi,I was not implying that mod/admin should post everywhere.I was implying that it would be great to see mod/admin involved in the dicussions,but if they're not.Then it probably means they're busy & my life would still go on.However,I thought you guys would understand what I was trying to say even without me wording it in detail like that.

I also never said you guys didn't have lives nor was I telling you guys what to do.I was trying to be supportive of the mod/admin,but my opinions & thoughts were blown way out of proportion.


Who are the problematic ones I ask? We haven't banned anyone in the period you are here. So how would you know who are banned and who are improving?? Pray tell us. I'm curious.

Well laruku,I really appreciate you taking your time explaining things to a still new member who had no idea of the past details & events of JCNet.

However,it's common sense to see who was banned by looking at the group they belong to which is "banned users."Such as R A I N B O W x3 & Sugar&Spice.

Then I thought I was improving,but my intended supportive post implying that mod/admin shouldn't feel excluded was taken offensively somehow.I guess karma came around to me when I misunderstood sweet judes.:cry:


It's understandable when a new member joins us they're overwhelmed. Many jump in without reading, or understanding how we work. But it's when they've been here for months yet still don't get the idea, is when we have to step in.

Overall, I commend your enthusiasm and dedication to fostering this community. I'm glad we still have members that can do things for the JCnet instead of take. And also that you're working on your "sensitivity" issues. It's just the net, rarely is anything taken seriously.

*cries on karen's shoulder* My goodness karen,was my post really that offensive when I was actually trying to support & root for the mod/admin team?

Yes I've been here for a couple of months & I still have alot to learn about JCNet.However,I know mod/admin are busy with their real lives & that they shouldn't have to feel like they have a second job.

Which is why I always try to lend a helping hand with ideas & suggestions.I even PM-ed pei & twi asking them if they needed another mentor or planning team member.

However,now I feel too intimidated to speak my real opinions & feelings because of all these overwhelming responses like I did something terribly wrong.

I also have a full-time job & I'm also taking online courses for computer training & programming.However,instead of spending my free time surfing the net,going on youtube or MSN.I come here to this beautiful massive community that you created because this is like a second home to me.

Thank you so much for commending my enthusiasm and dedication karen.:cry:You don't know how much those words mean to me,my efforts,& the time that I spent trying my best to foster this great community.

In conclusion,it's a great compassionate humble leader like you that drives me to nurture this community & makes me proud to be a member of JCNet.:bow:

[laruku]

Hi twi,I was not implying that mod/admin should post everywhere.
I'm not sure if twilighthush actually likes being called twi for short... But you have to ask her. I"m not the best person to answer this.

However,it's common sense to see who was banned by looking at the group they belong to which is "banned users."Such as R A I N B O W x3 & Sugar&Spice.
REALLY? Where? I never knew such a group can be found. Pray tell me. I'm extremely interested.

[twilighthush]

^ I'm rather ambivalent towards it. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as it doesn't confuse me with anyone else, it's fine. As for the other issue, I'm looking into it, too.


EDIT: Okay then. Either we are being lied to, or kwonsang26 has a lot of explaining to do, seeing as I don't see a Banned Usergroup Anywhere (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showgroups.php). Correct me if I'm wrong but, even if there is a page that shows all the banned members, I believe only admin/moderators can access that.

[kwonsang26]

Oh really laruku,it didn't seem to bother twilighthush when I called her twi,but I hope it's ok.:oops:

My goodness you,ok,just go to page 6 of the 6th post of the same thread & look on the left of that post & find which group they belong to & you should see it lol.Thanks again for all your help laruku.^^

[twilighthush]

^ My question is rather simple: how on earth would you know when they've been banned when you've been here less than two months?

[laruku]

^ My "problem" (for lack of a better word) with you too kwonsang26, is that you need to phrase properly...

E.g.
Overall,I noticed that mods/admin always try to be as fair as possible & give multiple chances,even to problematic users who were eventually banned or are improving.
You implied that you had actually been around when they were 'problematic' and witnessed that the mods gave them 'multiple chances'.

But the 2 examples you named, Sugar&Spice & RAINBOWx3 have been banned probably earlier than the time you joined. Because we don't usually do our laundry cleaning in public, it's quite unusual that new members will know about it.

So how would you know they are problematic?

[kwonsang26]

Oh lol,simple twi,I hope you really don't mind if I call you that & of course you can call me xiao.I just looked at the last post that they posted under "find more posts by user" under their username.

But honestly,twi,were you offended by my post that recently had several replies in this thread?I apologize to you & the whole mod/admin if you guys were.

Edit:Oh hi,laruku again,no see I used the past tense because I went back & read all the posts that led to their banning so I can learn from their mistakes.^^

[twilighthush]

^ I don't really have an opinion or care what you call me. twi is fine, I guess.

I wasn't so much offended as irritated. It takes a lot to get me offended.

Edit: Why those two of all people? I would think someone like you would be more interested in seeing why someone with a 5000+ post count would have gotten themselves banned than someone who has no weight in JCNET. Also, looking at their posts won't tell you exactly when they were banned, you realize. Furthermore, S&S got banned WAY WAY before you got here, so.... Uh. Yeaaah. I don't know, it just seems really odd that you're all up in their business like that. I don't think we've ever had a member do this. >>;

[kwonsang26]

Nooo twi,I wasn't trying to get into nobody's business,however,while posting.Sometimes I would come across a banned user & I would wonder if they were really banned & for what reasons so I won't get myself banned.

So I noticed the last post by user feature & went back to look.If we couldn't read it,then it would've been deleted right.Let's just say I'm a very curious person who always seeks knowledge lol,which is why I showed so much interest in your One Shot.Overall,I didn't mean to seem so nosy though, just curious lol.

Edit:Oh yeah & I just estimate when they were banned by their last post.I don't know exactly when they were banned.However,I wanted to answer laruku's question quickly so I just picked those names as quick examples of what I was talking about.

[twilighthush]

^ Hm. I see. Okay.

You're up rather early today, aren't you? Do you have work or something?

[kwonsang26]

Actually,I just got back from work because I work the midnight shift & that shift pays more.OMG,we've been off topic for several posts.

Ok now I'm scared :oops:,ok twi if you guys promise not to ignore me at LQP I'll go over there to chat with guys lol.^^

[ColaPoP]

But I would personally like to see more activity & interaction from mod/admin in the threads & I always wondered why they rarely post in the threads.Because mod/admin are JCNet members too,so why shouldn't they join in.

Overall,I noticed that mods/admin always try to be as fair as possible & give multiple chances,even to problematic users who were eventually banned or are improving.So I just like to say with as much compassion as they have shown,great job mod/admin team.^^
kwonsang26 I re-read your post (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?p=757215&postcount=61), and I have to admit I feel like an idiot. I was having a bad day & mis-read your intentions. I'm sorry I responded so coldly to your post as (re-reading it in the clear light of day) you were clearly just encouraging us to interact more within the forum (without implying that we 'ought to'). >.<

Additionally,I was not telling you guys what to do at all!I was implying that mod/admin shouldn't have to feel excluded because they are users too.How is that offensive when I was actually trying to support you guys???
Yes, I get it now. Again, I'm really sorry. My response was uncalled for.

Now I know why all the other mods jumped... to jump on my angry-ride or to respond in a considerate and objective fashion (thanks karen~)

* Speaking of 'angry-ride', I feel sort-of-responsible for the backlash I've caused so I'd like to clarify a few points...

My question is rather simple: how on earth would you know when they've been banned when you've been here less than two months?
She never mentioned anything about 'when' they were banned, just that she 'saw' that they were banned users (In the statistics next to each users post, it says what 'group' they belong to. There is no need to access a 'banned user group' page to discern which users are 'banned').

But the 2 examples you named, Sugar&Spice & RAINBOWx3 have been banned probably earlier than the time you joined. Because we don't usually do our laundry cleaning in public, it's quite unusual that new members will know about it.

So how would you know they are problematic?
LOL, because they've been 'banned'?!?!!~~ :D

I hope this episode doesn't discourage other members from showing their support for the admin/Mods over my mistake. I better dash... that's more than enough shit-stirring for one day :shy:

[laruku]

LOL, because they've been 'banned'?!?!!
Okay.. This might be cos I've been here a while.. But there are many users who are erm.. shown as "banned" due to other reasons.. School... 'addiction to the net' etc etc..

I feel is that it's the tone of the post.. Cos I furrowed my brows when I read it the first time.. But.. I couldn't be bothered. And I was addressing what twilighthush said. Then again, like I said, its the phrasing. It sounded.. accusing.

I'm not tearing apart her words but I''m just saying that a few words here & a change in punctuation there will make the entire para appear in a much better light.

But I would personally like love to see more activity & interaction from mod/admin in the threads & I always wondered why they rarely post I rarely see them posting in the threads.Because mod/admin are JCNet members too,so why shouldn't they join in?

Delete the Italics & add the Bolds. Now, doesn't it just seem so much better?

[ColaPoP]

But there are many users who are erm.. shown as "banned" due to other reasons.. School... 'addiction to the net' etc etc..
Yes, but those are the 'exceptions'. If you were a new member on a forum, and you saw the words "banned" bolded next to a user's name, wouldn't you assume it was because they did something 'wrong'?

I feel is that it's the tone of the post.. Cos I furrowed my brows when I read it the first time.. But.. I couldn't be bothered. And I was addressing what twilighthush said. Then again, like I said, its the phrasing. It sounded.. accusing.
That's initially how I read it too. Could your view of her post (and thus your response) been biased due to our initial responses?

Delete the Italics & add the Bolds. Now, doesn't it just seem so much better?
Sure, if we need to be molly-coddled and ass-kissed everytime a JCNetizen wants to address us, but we don't. If anything, it usually grosses us out when they suck up to us... (not pointing at anyone in particular, but yes, it's been known to happen) :D

Even if she'd re-phrased it that way, I still would have burnt her (irrationally) for telling me what to do. I was having a 'stupid' day :retard: ... but I see your point reene, better phrasing could possibly have helped.

[laruku]

^ The "banned members" part I agree.. Sounds stupid on my part..

I chose to ignore the "why are we not posting more" part but I was addressing the "spamming" portion in krystal's post. I just feel if you worded it better it would seem less accusing & more of a question & not a statement. E.G. Everything else could remain the same, just change to fullstop at the end to a question mark.

That said, I guess there are people who write like how they would be speaking. And don't pay too much attention to punctuation and stuff like that. Though they should.

[kwonsang26]

I re-read your post, and I have to admit I feel like an idiot. I was having a bad day & mis-read your intentions. I'm sorry I responded so coldly to your post as (re-reading it in the clear light of day) you were clearly just encouraging us to interact more within the forum (without implying that we 'ought to'). >.<

:cry:It's ok pei,I accept your apology.I was extremely baffled if not traumatized lol because you are one of my most favorite & respected super mods at JCNet.

I seriously thought I did something wrong for a moment there.Even though my intentions,opinions,& suggestions are all to see JCNet flourish & grow,of course without stepping on anyone's toes.

I just truly hope that it's still ok for me to seek your guidance whenever I feel lost.However,I really appreciate how you stood up for me & I hope everything is going fine for you now.^^:bleh:

[lattae]

Yay, all swells that ends well...

*pops champagne*

[twilighthush]

Pei - Honestly, I belong to the class that believes if you misunderstand what someone says on the internet, it's their fault for making you misunderstand, not your fault for misunderstanding. I've reread her post at least 10 times and each time I read it, it pissed me off. So, it is hardly you, but all in faulty word choice made by the original poster.

[whozthat]

wow i read finish all the previous posts and i have to admit that being here for almost 3 years [*gasp*] i never knew the admin/mods had such a hard time.

well, i remember clearly the first day i stepped into jc.net [simply because i was obsessed with jay, and my best friend introduced me to this site], a mod [i think it was karen] removed my banner because it was oversized. i didnt know there was rules about it, mainly because i didnt really go through it and once i registered i immediately went to make an avatar to put it up. but the mod was really kind, and so i thanked her for it, and proceeded to read the rules in case i break one again.

well i have to admit the rules are really well written, not overboard, and despite the many strict rules that members have to follow, i still feel comfortable posting and creating new threads.

like many of the mods and the admins, i've grown out of jay too, and grown from a rather ignorant teenager to a semi-adult now. but jc.net is a place i feel attached to, so i still visit the site everyday to visit threads [mostly the mayday thread] and pop into other random threads and leave a post once in a while.

well, its the mods and admins that managed to maintain the forums so well even after 3 years. and not to forget, the membership since then has probably tripled or something :P

before i end off my post perhaps i should say something constructive. is there any chance that you can direct new users to the rules and regulations page immediately after they registered? i have completely no idea how the registering process works now because after all, i signed up 3 years ago [-____-lll]

keep up the good work, mods/admins. i personally think that being strict is perfectly fine. (:

[grunhilda]

I answered 'other'.

well, there is the fact that I've only been a memeber two days :P but I'm sure my time will come. I'm pretty good at messing up... unintentionally, of course.

[Pao-Pao]

I voted for the last option. I got here on Jan I think or maybe Feb and when I started to make posts here and thread I did make some mistakes...I think it is pretty normal for all the newbies but then I got my dear buddy Pam and she helped me with a few things and the things I don't know I asked to someone else and they nicely explained them to me...I don't want to say I've never done anything wrong cuz I think I did a few things wrong when I was a newbie but I've never done horrible mistakes to make the mods or adm yelled at me...I'm very respectful when it comes to rules and now that I know how hard you guys work to mantain this place well organized and leechers free I follow the rules everywhere I go and when I don't know something I try to ask first after I act.

[pepprmint]

when i first came here i was basically scared to death to post or do anything at all in fear of getting kicked in the butt, so i lurked around for a good couple months, read the forum rules back and front, and basically learned the ropes before i finally gathered up my guts to make my first post. but because i spent all that time lurking i learned how the forum worked, so i havent made any mistakes thus far...
(oh, except for that one time i was caught hotlinking >.< oops)

[aina]

I got yelled by Chun Li once.. :oops:
because of double-posting.

But then i explained to her, that my first post and my 2nd post is not on the same date, it's just because noone reply to my first post and i was kinda hoping to bring it up again with posting a new post..

then she said something like "That's cool..you're not a noOb"

and i was like "pheew"

:laughing:

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

Wow I actually chose option 2! :sweat: Voted on 31/7/06 when I wasn't active in JCNET.. Of course I won't choose that option now.

So far nothing much has happened to me in JCNET other than the Jolin thing lmao. But I've learnt to shun that anti thread, but I'll still see people in another light y'know. :rolleyes:

[bebyjaystaa]

Yeah, I've been yelled at....but it was mostly because of my stubborness to accept some things. Oh well, the past is over :)

But yeah..I stopped coming here for a while cus I was scared of the mod..haha. But I'm glad I came back :D

[ziai]

Not really.. But I think the mods let me slide. The posts I posted last time are all... one-liners and I asked for videos at the wrong places :oops: But yeah, the senior members handled it really nicely and explained that it was wrong :D

[*meow]

hmmm i didn't get yelled at before. because... okay seriously when i just came into jcnet, i was like damn scared that i'd do something wrong. i suppose.. the only really wrong thing i did was last year. when i was fangirling and over-using coloured fonts and stuff. but anyway that didn't last for very long... and my posts are now quite.. acceptable i suppose. :D so.. thank god. lol.

[jay_fantasy8]

i dont think i've been yelled by a mod before . x) but i think i've went off topic several times and posting one liners with many irritating emoticons last time but the mods decided to close an eye . (:

[ankh]

No, thankfully.

Well that was due to the fact that I was a major scaredy cat so I basically lurked around the forums in the shadows for months... and I hardly post anything for fear of being caught doing something wrong (which explains my ultra low post count even though I've been around for so long). :tongue:

[laruku]

Wow I actually chose option 2! :sweat: Voted on 31/7/06 when I wasn't active in JCNET.. Of course I won't choose that option now.
So far nothing much has happened to me in JCNET other than the Jolin thing lmao. But I've learnt to shun that anti thread, but I'll still see people in another light y'know. :rolleyes:
Was it me? *goes back to look*

Oh yes it was! I was mentioned in Tammy's post! :cry:
Tammy you hate me!

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

Yes reene and I remembered we even 'quarrelled' in Jolin's anti thread! :sweat:

I was soo noobie back then.. >_< so immatured...

[jay_ed]

i've never been yelled at before, probably since i was not so active in the past i guess....

i'm aiming not to ever get yelled at :D

[yukiko]

i don't think i've been yelled before,
but i once made mistake by typing not in proper english, and someone degrade me.
that's the one and the only

[xJayChoux]

i think i got yelled at by lepencil once. xD not that i'd done something wrong... but it was more like i got into an argument with a newbie because she was being rude to me.

then lepencil just yelled STOP IT!!!

[centong]

eerr.... let me think.... I think I never been yelled at or may be I had but since I'm not the sensitive type of person so I didn't realise it. newbie is like a baby who try to walk or talk for the first time. they do make mistakes, they still don't know what is right or wrong, what is good or bad. mentor is like parents. parents should be nice to the baby right? they don't simply wack the baby :D

[JianDan[Ai]]

lies, I know I've yelled at more of you guys than just this!!

[aina]

Oh Oh...After sinny mentioned the name "lepencil", i just remember i've been yelled at by him too :oops:

but it's not in the forum, it's on MSN Messenger..and it's all because of my broken english XD

I used the word "wish" instead of "hope" and that made him a lil bit disagree with me.. :oops:


Arrghhh...I miss lepencil/leipengso/leppy ge ge :cry:

[Darkshrimp]

Yea i got yelled at once, and it wasn't even my fault, but that was ages ago, so i guess i got over it :P hehe.

[xxf4luvaxx]

lol i've been sort of yelled at my a mad/admin because i posted the same post in like 3 different threads telling others that there is a MORE entertainment store in LA that sells jay chou items ;P

i just wanted to inform them that they could buy stuff there if they wanted them at the original prices (they wanted to buy jay chou concert items)

but apparently, it was charged as spam -_-x

so they deleted all of them and said i would be banned if i continued

they were like one of my first few posts so i was like O_____O;;;;

[hobielover]

I got into trouble. Didn't realize that one site was mad at this site, so I got some posts deleted and a PM. I also accidentally put a translation with both Traditional and Simplified Chinese, since the original lyrics were Traditional and it's too hard for me to read. I got over it. I haven't gotten any reputation points taken away, though. I'm very glad.

Oh! My 200th post! Yay!

[simple_girl]

ive been told off by laruku once or more[i think i forgot a rule and did soemthing against the rules]....but yeah all of the mods/admins are pretty nice..although laruku kind of scares me

[jayloverUK]

I have not been yelled at or anything by a mod yet but I have only been about a few days.

This is a such a large forum and I am sure the mods have a diificult but nesscacry job and its not easy for them to have to be the ones doing the telling off etc though I dont think they should be rude to people if they are ever.

However as a newbie here I have to say I am a little scared to post (though I am trying to not let this put me off doing so). The thought of being banned without a warning is horrible (unless you had done something very obviously wrong like racisim etc) If that happens do you get to disscuss it with a mod and appeal the ban?

I worry a lot as I am dyslexic and my English is not always that brilliant and I am worried I may post in the wrong forum as well and you seem to be quite hot on English and organisation ( not a dyslexics two greatest points lol):worry:

Still hopefully I wont ever need to be yelled at! And I have 10 rep points apparantly not sure how or why but Thanks!!

[hobielover]

Still hopefully I wont ever need to be yelled at! And I have 10 rep points apparantly not sure how or why but Thanks!!
Oh, you always start off with 10.

Don't worry if you're a bit dyslexic. Everyone makes a few typos, and it's not something to get angry over. As long as other people can understand easily, you will be fine as far as that goes.

[jay_is_cute]

The thought of being banned without a warning is horrible (unless you had done something very obviously wrong like racisim etc) If that happens do you get to disscuss it with a mod and appeal the ban?

don't worry, you will very rarely be banned immediately, especially for little things like spelling errors. we are not grammar/spelling nazis, so as long as your post is understandable, it's fine. so please don't be afraid to post! :happy:

as for organization, if you post in the wrong forum, a mod will most likely just warn you and send you a PM. eventually you'll get the hang of it even if it's a little overwhelming right now.

[laruku]

as for organization, if you post in the wrong forum, a mod will most likely just warn you and send you a PM.
Actually we're more likely to just move it to the right forum. XD

Only if you post repeatedly in the wrong forum will we send you a PM to let you know..

And if it still doesn't help, then we'll warn you in a PM..

Further more to that it will more drastic actions..

And we've never done that to people who have simply posted in the wrong forum.. or spelt badly. XD

Get a buddy & you should be in good hands. :)

[jocsim]

I voted the first one.

It's true that i deserved for being yelled... WAIT, more of like just scolding i guess coz i did some childish act back then. I'm not sure if i've being yelled or scold, i dont know, i cant differenciate between yelling and scolding now:sweat:, pardon me bout that.

Anyway, i think i got warned like about 5 times by 2- 3 different mods and after that, i decided to change. All i can say is that it is a bit scary.

[ask4more_jay]

hmm.. yelled at, is not the word.
more like... i dont know
warned by them? lol
i think its better now. its good to get along with everyone :-)
just so long as we post the right stuff
i think we're fine now..


...as a newbie here I have to say I am a little scared to post
awww jayloverUK dont be scared!
i know this is a large forum and everything
but hey everybody gets along :-)
im sure you'll feel better once you're more familiar with how everything works around here
generally i just think that as long as you follow the rules (which are pretty straight-forward) you'll be fine :-)
please dont feel intimidated!
hope to see you around in some other threads, posting! :wink2:

[Akira]

I've been yelled at pretty bad. :-)
Thats a rude thing to say. You basically said the pictures we posted might not be ours but then just made a last comment on the end saying not like I'm saying there not you guys.. Don't say it if your doubting yourself.
DUDE. Stop being so offtopic and stop posting nonsense. Stop being such an idiot. Stop posting in here if you ain't gonna post a pic.
Well I've learn my lesson. But you cant help but doubt in the cyber environment. Anyways I hope no mods or admin yell at me again!

[Shirlz]

No, and rightfully so as I've never done anything wrong.

Haha... god that sounds cocky :P
Im new... So I haven't yet XD

[chiru]

Um...not that I know of....

I do not think I have done anything bad....yet...

(Ahaha)

[shadowcats2]

I accidentally posted in the wrong format in the news section. I realized I should have posted in discussions instead, but didn't have time to move it before I had to leave for work.

I was intending to fix it as soon as I got home, but by that time I already had a PM with an infraction notice.

I was a little put off/upset by the wording. It made me never want to bother trying to share any news again. Honestly, couldn't they have just moved the post without being quite so nasty about it? I am part of a lot of fan forums, and this is a first for me. I have to admit that I am still a bit offended. I have been a member a long time and have never had a problem before this. I guess I'll get over it in time...but I thought fan forums were supposed to be enjoyable/fun places. Now I am afraid to post anything here.

[laruku]

Unfortunately, I can still view the said thread and your complains don't make sense.

#1: Thread posted "Yesterday, 06:56 PM "

#2: Petom_JJ replied at "Yesterday, 07:51 PM " with the context "But anyway shadowcats2, I think this post don't belong here, coz there is some standard format of news posting here that need to be followed (read the announcements). Maybe this can be moved to Jay's discussion instead? Other than that, perhaps its useful to provide the link to the original source of the news, so that other members may try their hand on the full translation.."

#3: You edited your post with a link at "Last edited by shadowcats2 : Yesterday at 08:19 PM. "


If you had the time to edit your post with a link, you would have time to reply and said you posted in the wrong section and if a mod could kindly move it.

Then we would not have given an infraction. The thread would simply have been deleted.

[shadowcats2]

Unfortunately, I can still view the said thread and your complains don't make sense.

#1: Thread posted "Yesterday, 06:56 PM "

#2: Petom_JJ replied at "Yesterday, 07:51 PM " with the context "But anyway shadowcats2, I think this post don't belong here, coz there is some standard format of news posting here that need to be followed (read the announcements). Maybe this can be moved to Jay's discussion instead? Other than that, perhaps its useful to provide the link to the original source of the news, so that other members may try their hand on the full translation.."

#3: You edited your post with a link at "Last edited by shadowcats2 : Yesterday at 08:19 PM. "


If you had the time to edit your post with a link, you would have time to reply and said you posted in the wrong section and if a mod could kindly move it.

Then we would not have given an infraction. The thread would simply have been deleted.

I'm not saying that I was in the right. I realize that I posted incorrectly...

Sorry, but I was TRYING to figure out how to move the thread to another forum area....then I suddenly realized how late it was and that if I didn't get going that I was going to be late for work. We had a HUGE snowstorm here yesterday that dropped over a foot of snow and I realized that I wouldn't be able to get out of my driveway without a couple of hours of shovelling. I am a palliative care nurse and CANNOT be late for my shift as people are depending on me. So I really didn't have time, and sorry, but I didn't think to put a note to the mods to move it because I was intending to do so as soon as I got home. I didn't honestly realize the enforcement was so strict here. People do have other priorities in life besides the internet forums...

While I respect the job the mods do here, I think the super strict posting guidelines must make a lot of people afraid to post news. That is why so little in/news really gets posted here at jay-chou.net. So the strictness of the guidelines works both as a good thing(maintain quality postings), but also as a detrimental thing(people are afraid to post so interesting news gets unreported). Although I posted in totally improper format, the content of what I posted was from the News section of JVR, and I thought others might genuinely be interested. My intent was to make a contribution to the forum, not to make the moderators angry. Needless to say, I absolutely won't be posting any news in the future.

[laruku]

While I respect the job the mods do here, I think the super strict posting guidelines must make a lot of people afraid to post news. That is why so little in/news really gets posted here at jay-chou.net. So the strictness of the guidelines works both as a good thing(maintain quality postings), but also as a detrimental thing(people are afraid to post so interesting news gets unreported). Although I posted in totally improper format, the content of what I posted was from the News section of JVR, and I thought others might genuinely be interested. My intent was to make a contribution to the forum, not to make the moderators angry. Needless to say, I absolutely won't be posting any news in the future.
We are strict for a reason.

#1: Copyright. We don't steal from others and we don't allow others to steal from us. All our news are fully translated by our own members.

#2: Pride. Our translations are one of the best on the WWW. Lyrics translations, news translations etc. Google around, our translations are one of the most cited ones. We can't sleep at night knowing that bad translations have been posted up and we closed our eyes to it.


The rules & guidelines are there not to fill up forum space. Just like you make an effort to know the guidelines when you join a new company, it simply takes a few minutes of your time to read the guidelines. The guidelines are short, with examples and often very clear-cut. We make sure that we bold, italics or colour the important things so that members know what to look out for.

If you had read the guidelines, you'd know what is the correct format, and you'd know that you shouldn't even have posted in the news section at all. Since there was (1) no original text and (2) Incomplete translation.

And because we do have lives outside the forum, we do not repeat what is already in the guidelines. We see that something is not following the guidelines, we act on it. We are no longer students with tons of free time on our hands. We don't have the spare time to teach and nurture and be really sweet and nice like we used to.

Plus, is an infraction on the internet that important anyway.. Like you said, it's just an internet forum..

[jayx8318x]

It still baffles me sometimes when people post news incorrectly. Mainly because I think anyone who's been here long enough and has read some of the existing news thread pick up that they are formatted in a very deliberate and particular manner. Even when you look in that forum, all the thread titles are formatted the same. How can anyone miss that? It's not like we allow just anyone to post there, there's a minimum post requirement to make sure whoever is posting is somewhat familiar with JCNet.

We prefer quality over quantity any day. If the rules scare people from posting news then good, they're probably people that wouldn't post correctly anyways. And it's just an infraction - not gonna really impact your life and will be eventually removed. Everyone makes mistakes, we understand. But how can you correct it if you're not called out on it? Just treat it as a learning experience and move on =)

[shadowcats2]

And because we do have lives outside the forum, we do not repeat what is already in the guidelines. We see that something is not following the guidelines, we act on it. We are no longer students with tons of free time on our hands. We don't have the spare time to teach and nurture and be really sweet and nice like we used to.
Plus, is an infraction on the internet that important anyway.. Like you said, it's just an internet forum..

If what you do or say hurts or devalues a person, then no matter how insignificant a thing, it is important to that person.

Teaching, nurturing and kindness are beyond value in this world. We must never become so busy that we lose our humanity or sense of humour. Regardless of how busy our lives become, Laruku, please never lose sight of that. People should always be more important than rules. Peace.

[laruku]

If what you do or say hurts or devalues a person, then no matter how insignificant a thing, it is important to that person.
Teaching, nurturing and kindness are beyond value in this world. We must never become so busy that we lose our humanity or sense of humour. Regardless of how busy our lives become, Laruku, please never lose sight of that. People should always be more important than rules. Peace.
If people are always more important than rules, then there will be no law existing in this world. The entire world will be filled with so much kindness and love that there's no need for rules anymore.

Unfortunately, this is the real world. In the real world, we abide by rules because rules are set there for a reason. We are expected to know the rules and not break them; not break them first and claim ignorance. The world doesn't operate in that way. You break a rule, you get punished for it. You learn from the experience and move on.

We've all walked down the same path. Some of the mods you see have been yelled at, publicly scolded, have reputation points taken away, and some even forced the older mods to make drastic actions.. All these when they were just new members.. They learn, they corrected, and they are now mods.

If you think 2 infraction points devalue you, I have absolutely no comment to that.

Needless to say, it's your wish not to post news in future. In the same thread, we are not going to make changes to our strict rules & guidelines just because you think it stops people from posting news.

[shadowcats2]

Okay, I give up. Mods =1
Stupid lowly member who can't read RULES=0

My point wasn't that the rules shouldn't be enforced, just that it wouldn't kill you guys to be a little friendlier in doing so. My bad. Guess I fail jay-chou.net101

Hmmm...if sorry would solve all the problems, then what would we need the police for? LOL Always loved that line!!

My new fave line" "I think I want to eat people now". (from a really BAD English subbed version of Initial D, which was incidentally more enjoyable than the perfect one ever could be. I personally get a laugh out of horrible translations.)

So since I obviously cannot win this argument, I would just please like to declare peace with all the moderators here. Next time, I'll read all the thousand rules really carefully and make sure I don't do any more bad things. All of you, keep up the good work and keep on maintaining the high quality of the site. Take care.

[chosen1]

No.. because i know how to read and follow the rules... :shifty:

but i have been on another forum before, when i was younger and less mature.. but they were rude too.. so i had a go back at them and never used it again.

[lolazoi]

hahah, i dont think i was here long enough to get yelled at, but hopefully i wont n the future XP
*fingers crossed*

[sagara0510]

just follow the rules and suck up to the mods.

you'll be fine

remember... brown nose.. and pucker those lips!! >.<

[jaypops]

i haven been yelled at by a mod/ admin and i don't wish to be yelled at either! :tongue:

[chiru]

Never on Jay-Chou.net, but on another forum I got scolded. I had been a member for three years. (Long time) The signature regulation had always been a maximum of 500x200. (The size of my sig) I had not been on in a while, and when I logged back in my sig was taken off and an admin person left me a message saying I broke the rules. -___- It turned out that while I was on haitus, they changed the signature restriction. The second time was on the same forum. (As you can see, they are out to get me.) It was because I used the word, "hell" in my signature. Which I did not think was bad, because at that time my signature was just a quote with that word in it. As you can see, I have quit that forum and am now spending my time here.

[Zero Kuran]

Yes but it wasn't really yelling just a banner size warning and a few spamming replies, but at the time i didn't know how to used forums.