[Poll] The future of JC.net - Your opinion on how JCNET rules are enforced

[ene]

It's about time we had a serious poll :rolleyes:
Through the years, many have come to love (or hate?) JC.net. Regulars will notice the insanely neat thread titles with proper heading, proper language, proper everything. There are rules for lots of stuff - banner size, avatar size, colour of font, type of font, the colour of your hair, etc (kiddig on the hair bit).
And just in case, here are the rules of JC.net again (thanks ColaPop) :
Originally Posted by JC.net Forum rules
1. Don’t post crap.
2. Make your topic titles descriptive, NO "suspense" titles allowed.
3. Post in the appropriate forum.
4. Do NOT spam the forums or solicit JCNET members via PM
5. Give credit to whomever it belongs
6. Use the SEARCH function, or just look around before posting!
7. Don't post a topic to a specific person
8. Follow the banner rules
9. Type in readable ENGLISH!
10. REFRAIN FROM using loads of Singlish, Manglish, or any other special dialects
11. Chinese & other foreign characters not allowed without translation
Now, we want to ask YOU, the visitors to JC.net.
Would you prefer JC.net to be less neat? Or is the "neatness" the very reason you visit this site?
If you find the rules strict or feel "unjust" about certain areas on this forum, please tell what exactly it is that bothering you or which rules YOU feel are strict. Always been too shy to post?
This is the time to speak up. *points to my banner*
Let the discussion begin.

[andantino]

okay, first to vote! ;)

i love JCnet just the way it is.
i cant imagine if this place turn into a "not so neat" place.

i think we should maintain like this
i know we can improve too! ;)

[kamceng]

well, i picked Rules? What rules? I've grown used to them so it doesn't really bother me...
for me, this site does have rules, but it is not that harsh, and it's just fine. my school's rules are much stricter that this. besides, the rules are for our own good, right? so, i don't have any problems considering rules....

at first i wanna choose No! I love it the way it is. Pls don't change!, but if this site wanna change something more interesting, go for it....

anyway, this site is still my favourite and the only site i'm addicted to....

[jaychou_21]

It's the orderliness of this site that makes me visit this place as often as I can, against the odds.

It will be unwise if the rules will be loosened up because the rules make this board clean and habitable.
And besides, the rules here aren't that strict after all. And its all for the betterment of every JCNETizen.
I must admit that at first I find the rules of this site very strict but the longer I stay
and the more active I become, I was able to adapt to this cool environment.
I've grown up to the rules and learned a lot from my mistakes in the past.
I guess nobody feels strangled by the regulations imposed by this forum.
Except the narrow-minded no0bs. :dry:

So, I don't want this place to undergo a Nelly Furtado transformation.
I like my second home, JCNET, the way it is. A change for progress and improvement is essential
and I don't mind if there will be advancements in the future, like the JCNET Plaza,
if it's for the benefit of everyone, or the majority at the very least.
But a change for the sake of the simpletons, leechers and n0obies are a no-no.

I love JCNET. I breath JCNET. :love:

[ene]

Interestingly, at this moment, the second option has the most number of votes (6). Maybe we are TOO strict on the rules....no? :?

[milkified]

I love the neatness. But maybe there's room to get loose on some of the stuffs.

[deejay0103]

I love JCnet the way it is. It's so neat and well organised. But there are times that I think the mods are being too strict. :oops: but overall, I still love Jcnet and I do understand why are those mods being strict when they are facing with some n00bs.

[linny]

I actually like the rules the way they are and the reason why I've never left JC.net for very long is because of how neat and organized everything is. I've gone to a lot of other forums that were both much stricter or much more lax, and I feel like JC.net has found the balance between the two.

There's something about the way it's run that seems to have actually fostered discussion on several threads if not most of them, and that's what really makes JC.net so great. I can't go to any forum and get the kind of insight or conversation that I get here.

I'm not sure if it's the rules or the members, but I think the rules as they are certainly help foster that kind of open environment.

Then again, I've been here long enough to watch as the rules evolved into what they are today, so maybe my perspective is a little different from those who are new and come here. o.O

[icetears-]

Basically this site is a virtual world & jcnetters have treated this site as a place to relax & to destress, as well as for interaction & all.
Well to me, the rules aren't all that harsh & the neatness is definitely there, maybe not 100% perfect, but it's definitely neat to a large extent. You don't get all confused in this forum & how much trouble does it get to label your thread titles properly & clearly?
I too, almost chose the first choice, but on second thought, the rules are here but they've seemingly become part & parcel of every jcnetter's knowledge of this site. Many post constructive posts & I've learnt my lesson of posting an oh-so-short post once.
Moreover, I believe the best reference for me would be the Singapore thread, for the request to post in proper standard English & not in Singlish slang. It's a mark of respect to this site & this forum, & for that matter, I feel that the neatness of this site gives this site a very clean & orderly look, somewhat a library with fun corners here & there.
Okay sorry for my long-winded post, I suddenly had too much to write.

[judes]

i don't think the rules are strict at all.
jc net feels like more of a community than just some random internet forum that way.

i like the sites i visit to be clean and with no one liners or terrible grammar / spelling.

i probably wouldn't have stayed around this long or gotten involved if jcnet isn't the way it is now. and if it changed to become more lax, and everybody started typing in netspeak and colorful font, i would leave.

[ColaPoP]

My pick: Rules? What rules? I've grown used to them so it doesn't really bother me. I'm glad they're tough, and I think the mods do an amazing job maintaining this site. They are strict, but they're sensible rules and really not that hard to follow. Btw, I would love to add a function that stops non-regular members/newbies from starting new topics. The amount of crap new threads out there is shocking. Thank gosh one liners cannot be posted, but posting random crap is no better...

I am genuinely interested in the opinion of people who think they are too strict, to the point where it inhibits them from posting. Please specifically address the points in the forum rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152) that you think should be loosened up, so that we all have a talking point to work from. This is our site guys, if you're not happy with the rules... nows your time to openly discuss it.

[sam_ho]

To tell the truth, I love JCnet that way it is too! But sometimes, I just get scared of breaking rules. hahah. But really, this site kept my devotion for Jay and other asian celebrities going high up!

[JayMatrix]

JC net is a great site. Well controlled with strict and reasonable rules but I feel that some of the 'old' members with high post counts are just too arrogant. Maybe it's not in their intention but the way they posts make it seems so.

[aznjayhunter]

i was caught between choices 1 and 4.

i love the rules, organization and everything, i want it to stay as it is...and i've also grew accustomed to the numerous rules we have here. they are the glue that holds this site together!

[jayx8318x]

I am genuinely interested in the opinion of people who think they are too strict, to the point where it inhibits them from posting.

Exactly, the people who usually respond are fine with the rules. But I see people who pick option 3 and don't even post elaborating on what facets of the rules or in general of the site they don't like.

How does that help us any? It doesn't, so we continue along the way we've always been. Then people come out and complain saying the rules are too strict. So we ask again what's wrong? It's an endless cycle.

You guys gotta tell us what's wrong!

We can have 1000 people pick option 3. But if only 20 people respond, and they're all the ones who pick the options of "everything's ok the way it is" then that will also be our conclusion.

If you think speaking out against JCNET will cause you to be blacklisted or banned, seriously, we're not that petty. We welcome constructive criticism. If you can see the list of ppl JCNET has banned in the last year, they are nothing but 1 post trolls who come here solely to cause trouble or spam advertisements, which is against the rules.

No where in the forum rules does it say "Thou shalt not speak critically of JCNET or it's administration."

[dagamezmasta]

Well... I like the rules here. They were strict but then this was the first forum I had ever participated in, so afterwards all other forums seemed to be too lax. Since this was my first forum, it never occured to me that the rules and regulations were too strict.

Overall, the behavior here is quite good... the rules prevent people from spamming, flaming, and the usual. But they also encourage good behavior. I'm not sure what exactly it is about this forum... maybe it's the rep count, but all I can say is that everything here runs smoothly and this forum is relatively neat and organized.

[ene]

Well controlled with strict and reasonable rules but I feel that some of the 'old' members with high post counts are just too arrogant

This is an interesting observation. Arrogant in what sense? Because they tell off the noobs? Pray tell. Like what Karen mentioned above, this is THE TIME to share CONSTRUCTIVE feedback.

Tell us what is wrong or else, how are we going to know what IS wrong? :?

[zhy378]

my feelings toward this forum is all the options except for the third one.
first of all i truly love the way it is, its neat and well-organized, so if i ever start my own forum, i would probably use this forum as my guide.

Well... I like the rules here. They were strict but then this was the first forum I had ever participated in, so afterwards all other forums seemed to be too lax. Since this was my first forum, it never occured to me that the rules and regulations were too strict.

like dagamezmasta said, i too find this forum as one my first forum that i still participate in. also when i look at other forums, others seem more relaxed that this forum has prepared me very well for other forums on posting etc.

however, i voted for the second option where i love this place but sometimes i am afraid to post. like there are times before making a thread i would freak myself out whether or not the thread i post in is in the right section, like if its better off in small talk or social longue. or another time i worried my banner was volating the banner rules that i had to checked the size few times before using it. or before posting a post im afraid i might kill the thread that no one ever post after me. but then hey, we all make mistakes and we learn from them.
:happy: i love the organization and the structure of this forum, it's whats make it so strong!

[macdawn]

i worried my banner was volating the banner rules that i had to checked the size few times before using it. or before posting a post im afraid i might kill the thread that no one ever post after me. but then hey, we all make mistakes and we learn from them.
Believe me, I also kinda check and double check my banner before I used it.

But like a lot of you, JCN is my first forum, and I have been so used to the rules, it doesn't really bother me that much. Partly, because I do think the rules are pretty common sense, like not spamming and using proper english. And even the checking banner size before using, well, it is sort of like respect for the site :happy:

Sometimes, the enforcement seemed rather harsh, even so, we still see a lot of no0bish people running around. :rolleyes:

Okay people, speak up now, or forever hold your peace :wink2:

-MacDawn

[yukiko]

i picked the first choice. im really love this forum. like most of you, it's the 1st forum i still participate in (yeah even with my limited english, sometimes i have to open the online dictionary to find out what do you mean).

for the rules, it's not a matter for me. i have used to it. (but i ever did mistake once long time ago, and someone decrease my reputation, but hey it's okay. it's my false. everyone makes mistake(s) right? and i have to thank them to correct me if i do so, then i can learn to dont make the same 2nd mistakes again)

[J.o.y.c.e.]

Yeahh i agree that rules make JC.NET a lot neater, but i still think that sometimes there are too muchh rules..

[junnleenfaah]

Yeahh i agree that rules make JC.NET a lot neater, but i still think that sometimes there are too muchh rules..

so, we'd all like to know, if you could cut out any of the rules, which would it be? speak up, dont be afraid (:

for me, i was kinda stuck between choosing option 1 and 4. although i chose option 1, i believe in both option 1 and 4. honestly, these rules arent that hard to follow. it's just a lot of common sense, so i guess i dont really think about the rules so much just cuz i'm accustomed to them. but i definitely love the way things are. like judes said, if JCNET lacked its organization and laxed up its rules, i probably wouldnt come here because it would give me a headache if it was all untidy and such. but because they keep their rules strict and keep the place organized, it makes me wanna come back to visit the site. btw, the admins and mods are fabulous, i dont know how JCNET would be like without them.

[ying64]

No, I like it how it is right now, in order and neat =) I hate forums with people who can't spell, disrespect other members etc. JC.net's organized well and it one of the reasons I love this forum ^^

[Beryl-Luv-Jay]

I hate RULES...even my family cant control me ! what is more in internet ? no one line posting huh ?? even some of you guys is doing it and you guys didn't take away their reputation...come on man~

[junnleenfaah]

I hate RULES...even my family cant control me ! what is more in internet ? no one line posting huh ?? even some of you guys is doing it and you guys didn't take away their reputation...come on man~


i think more constructive criticism would be appreciated instead of just saying you hate rules but then not giving a clear reason as to why you think the rules shouldn't be applied to JCNET's forum. i'm sure we all hate rules in general to a certain degree, but rules arent put here to pick at people. they're here for organization and to have a nice atmosphere for all JCNETers.

btw, reputation taken away is based on the opinion of one member. some may believe that reps should be taken away because of one liners, others dont bother to take away reps. it's just so happened that the bad bug got to you. and who do you consider "you guys", may i ask?

again, constructive criticism, please.

[cookielmy]

I like coming to JCNET because it's neat. I dislike having people with big huge banners and the way they type their replies in short forms that's almost unread-able (is that a word?), with many colour fonts, different sizes and unclear headings.

So I don't think JCNET should loosen up the rules. It's just nice this way. Eventually members will get used to it, that is, including me.
Without these rules, JCNET will definitely end up in a mess with all the . . . *coughnoobscough*

[milkee_glitz]

I love JC.net!! The orderliness makes it easy for me to move around the forum.. However, maybe some of the rules might be loosened, as once you break the rule, your rep points immediately gets taken away.. It's kinda bugging.. But overall, JC.net ROX!!! :-)

[rachelle03]

even some of you guys is doing it and you guys didn't take away their reputation...come on man~

Care to bring up the examples? I don't think the mods will take away rep points just because of a single one-liners.
We do have a rep points FAQ up recently. Do take a look. :wink2:

It's the time to voice out now. If you can convince the rest that your suggestion is good, there's a high possibility it'll be adopted. Do say out how it can be better and not just grumble over how bad it is. That's constructive.

[spax]

I picked the first option, mainly because the strict forum rules makes the forum well-organised. :happy:

However, I wish to bring up an issue which probably caused some members being "fearful" to post because they are scared to break the forum rules.

After I've joined JCNET for quite a period of time, I find that this is some sort of "gap" between different groups of members. In this post, I shall look into the problem of this "gap" between group and non-group members. (VIPs and mods inclusive)

Some of the group members always seem to be interacting only with people in the same group, and maybe some of the "high-rated" members (with high rep points, no of posts, etc). This let the non-group members have the impression that they are not quite friendly and probably, they wouldn't want to interact with them because of this. Also, with the high amount of rep points and posts, it creates the impression that they are too authoritative to the extent that the non-group members feel that they are arrogant. This also lead to the problem of having the fear of breaking the rules in the forums for the non-group members because they are afraid that the "senior group members" would "confront" them.

And bringing the point of "confrontation", some of the members feel that they have been confronted just because they have broken a rule and the senior member/moderator have done some actions on them (by closing the thread, etc). Therefore, some of them would go to the extreme to "confront" other members because of this small misunderstanding caused by the misconception of the members mentioned above. There have been cases of which members start threads, flaming about the forums, members, rules, etc.

Therefore, this creates the trend of non-group members being seperated from the group members. However, I must say that there is also quite a number of group members being friendly to interact with non-group members.

I understand that some of the group members are very busy with their real life. But they should at least come back once in a while to interact with the JCNET citizens, especially with the non-group members. They can treat it as a form of relaxation as they interact with us. Moreover, they should be more friendly towards the non-group members. Maybe they can invite them to chat in their socializing threads, creating a sense of warmth within the JCNET community. At the same time, the rules must be enforced.

Therefore, I strongly believe that all of us must work together to improve the relations among members, regardless of being group members, non-group members, newbies, VIPs, etc.

I might have more points to add but I still need to think through about other possible issues in JCNET. I hope that my views are treated with respect and also that more people can discuss about problems that lies within JCNET. :wink2:

[crazygiggles13]

i dont think i've really read all the rules or anything :blush: SORRY
but i've never really been the extravagent type or the type that goes around being obscene so i dont think it really botheres me..
i obviously chose the Rules? What rules? option lol :D
but i like it the way it is.
ive been to some forums where they're really open about everything..like sex and all that..and im not saying its bad or anything..but i don tknow..i just think its a bit weird to talk about that with strangers..well..no offence..but i use the term strangers losely so dont use it against me plz?!! lol

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

I like the nearness of this forum actually. The other forums made me sick and dizzy with the big glittery banners and short form words. I like Jcnet the way it is, grown so used to the rules.

[ene]

I hate all the rules and regulations of this place. I wish JC.net was like other forums.

For all who voted for this option, care to share why? We *really* need to know! You won't get shot down, banned, etc so go ahead and fire away.

[ColaPoP]

Thank you for your post (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?p=653467&postcount=29) spax. Wow, I never looked it it like that before... that non-group members don't post in fear of confrontation and punishment.

Confrontation: When a member has their thread closed/moved/re-named and are confronted publicly, one must realise a mod never does this to humiliate them personally. They are just out there doing their job, which is reinforcing the forum rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152). In every instance I have seen, mods will politely inform the member of their infraction and refer them to the rules. Having said that, if you are unhappy with the rules on JC.net, please be specific so we can address it. If you have issues with 'rules in general', perhaps the problem doesn't lie with JC.net...

Punishment: For whatever reason a member has points deducted, one must realise that ANYONE with 50 pts+ can give/deduct points... if we were to be silly about this, you can look at a senior member the wrong way, and they can deduct your points. Thus senior members can consider practising self-control and be responsible with their rep power. If you are unhappy with the post/behaviour of a member, please PM them first. New members can't learn if we bitch-slap them at any instance of infringement... please remember how it was like when you first arrived on JC.net, and treat others accordingly.

Some of the group members always seem to be interacting only with people in the same group, and maybe some of the "high-rated" members (with high rep points, no of posts, etc)
Hmm... i can't speak for other members, but I post to people I want to talk to, or topics that amuse me. I have yet to disregard the post of a minimal poster/newbie for those reasons alone, or post to a senior member because they belong in a group (like moi *sarcasm*). What a silly anal thing to do.

I understand that some of the group members are very busy with their real life. But they should at least come back once in a while to interact with the JCNET citizens, especially with the non-group members.
I think all forum citizens should socialise as they please. If as a non-group member, you find that your social interactions are limited... then look into joining a group, and get to know it's members. It's just like school... you want to join the softball team? Sign up. Don't wait and expect the softball team to find you. There are 51,686 members on this site after all.

Having said that, you have made some interesting points... perhaps JC.net as a forum does not foster a growing culture where members do not encourage non-members to socialise and join groups? Can this be one of the reasons to stagnation on this site? Also, I'm curious... spax, as a long time member/high poster... why have you not joined a group yet? If this is really an issue on this forum, perhaps we can start a seperate discussion for this...

[jaychou_21]

In behalf of the newbies in the past, present and future, who have felt intimidated
by the senior members of this site, and to those who are still feeling a sense of 'discrimination' among members...


Some of the group members always seem to be interacting only with people in the same group, and maybe some of the "high-rated" members (with high rep points, no of posts, etc). This let the non-group members have the impression that they are not quite friendly and probably, they wouldn't want to interact with them because of this. Also, with the high amount of rep points and posts, it creates the impression that they are too authoritative to the extent that the non-group members feel that they are arrogant. This also lead to the problem of having the fear of breaking the rules in the forums for the non-group members because they are afraid that the "senior group members" would "confront" them.

And bringing the point of "confrontation", some of the members feel that they have been confronted just because they have broken a rule and the senior member/moderator have done some actions on them (by closing the thread, etc).

^ Ditto that. When I first came here, I was totally out of place, looking for somewhere to belong. But every time I make a post, I always go unnoticed, especially when the senior members and the VIPs arrive in the threads I'm posting in. I understand why most new members only post between 5 to 10 posts and then leave and never come back - because first impressions last. Okay, I'll be straight to the point. Most of the senior members (the VIPs, the mods in particular) may be friendly and approachable, but some of them are just scary and intimidating. I shied away from the forums for a few weeks after I was flamed by a mod for posting in blue fonts, while I kept on wondering why some member posts in size 1 pink fonts and never got 'scolded' for it. And also, when I started two not-so-important threads in the polls section, the next day I was puzzled to find that both of the threads are gone, only to figure out later that those were totally deleted to give way to a group theme week poll, because the two poll threads I have started began to attract attention and hence stole the limelight from the theme week voting thread. That was injustice for me. Nobody even informed me before my thread was deleted, and for what reason. I PMed a high member to ask but I didn't get a response. I started those two same threads a few days later and they weren't deleted again. Those experiences made me feel beyond humbled. After that I always feared starting new topics for fear that it would vanish the next day. I just concluded it probably usually happens to other NEWBIES (and / or potential no0bs). Just bringing up my case to speak for the newbies who probably had the same experience as mine, and to whom it would possibly happen in the future.

SO. My suggestion is for the senior members, the VIPs and the mods to be nicer and kinder to the new members because they're all human after all. I have no problem with the strict rules, but the way it is implemented by the moderators can be exaggerated at times that it may seem they're arrogant and cocky to the lower members. And please, no more of the I'll delete this newbie's thread so that our hot theme week poll will rock incidents. Let's all be fair. And give the new members a chance.

On a random note, my heart skips a beat everytime I receive a PM from an admin or a mod. I cringe in fear that they probably PMed me only to 'scold' me because I did something wrong. I guess most of the new members and all the other lower members in general who have gone into 'disciplinary action' before also feel that way.

Come on people, say something!

[IsaBonita]

well i reallz have to admit that this is a very strict forum
but i find that good when admins care for their forums
in most of the forums i am in its liek that....forum rules have to be acepted
same in jcnet as anywhere else
i am used to it, so it desnt bother me ^^

[laruku]

I shied away from the forums for a few weeks after I was flamed by a mod for posting in blue fonts, while I kept on wondering why some member posts in size 1 pink fonts and never got 'scolded' for it.
I don't know anything about the instances after this but please do note that mods are not ALWAYS around. They can't possibly read ALL the threads & all posts. There's definitely someone's post who have been missed.

Plus, it could be in context (the size 1 pink fonts) She might be (or he) trying to whisper yet want to make it shiny... And your post might just be generically in blue.

[jaychou_21]

^ No, it wasn't. The person (I forgot HER username) posts in size 1, pink fonts all the time I see her posts. And she's active back then with more than 200 posts (when I wasn't a group member) so I wondered why she wasn't noticed. And yet less than half of my first 5 to 10 posts were in blue and I instantly got into the spotlight. I have no hard feelings. I just thought it was unfair. But there's no place for being shallow anymore. Just leading the way for the newbies who feel the same way I did but are still afraid to voice out their opinions.

[akane_chou]

like some of you, i was torn between Option 1 and 4. :sweat: but in the end, Pls dont change won.

i love JC.net for what it is. the rules, everything. i cant imagine living life without JCNET. i mean, i got pretty used to the rules and without rules, crazy people would just run around being mad and all.

its just. its not that hard to folow the rules and most of the time if i do go to other forums, i will feel that they;re lacking. so i leave and dont join and i get more critical of other forums. so yeah, JCNEt is home.

[zhy378]

I understand why most new members only post between 5 to 10 posts and then leave and never come back - because first impressions last. ...And please, no more of the I'll delete this newbie's thread so that our hot theme week poll will rock incidents. Let's all be fair. And give the new members a chance.


relating to what brent has said about 'newbies'/people who had athreads or posts deleted, then being inactive for awhile for feeling guilty or something for making a mistake. i know sometimes the admins and mods will PM us or reply to our threads if there is something wrong/changed our threads, but not all the times. like if a newbie posted an unclear thread or a bad thread, sometimes they dont know the reason for it, i know sometimes they are confronted but it would be nice they are PM-ed on the reason why their post has been deleted and give advices directly (even though we have the rules all laid out) so people can make themselves a better active member instead of thinking "man if my posts and threads keep being deleted, then there's no point in participating this forum and then they *leaves jc.net forever*"

[judes]

i think it's surprising to read the difference introductions people had when they first came to the forums. when i first arrived i lurked for A LONG TIME reading the rules, making sure i know them, and i always double checked banner sizes, made sure my post length was adequate if i was starting a thread or responding to something that deserved a long response. to me, that's the way it should be when you go to a new place! you learn the rules, you follow them, if you don't like it then leave. there is nothing wrong with making mistakes as long as you learn from them, but if you make a fool of yourself by making a big deal of it, then that's just immature.

But every time I make a post, I always go unnoticed, especially when the senior members and the VIPs arrive in the threads I'm posting in.

when you go to a new school, you're not automatically going to be "the king/queen" of the group. there's a social hierarchy here just like any other environment you have to interact with. when you go to a party and you step into a room, you automatically look for familiar faces. some people may be comfortable enough to just jump into a crowd of strangers, but i think most of us are a little weary and want to find someone we know for certain we can interact with. i don't know, i think it's human nature. you have to "prove" yourself before you can be accepted.

Also, with the high amount of rep points and posts, it creates the impression that they are too authoritative to the extent that the non-group members feel that they are arrogant.

i don't understand. is the amount of high rep points and posts by itself intimidating? how does this equal arrogance? are you referring to the times when n00bs are bashed or made fun of? or are you talking about certain threads in general? i always thought that the reps were something to obtain for contributing and being helpful around the forums, and that members with high reps are the ones i should go to for help instead of the ones i should be scared of. but of course, that's just my opinion.

There have been cases of which members start threads, flaming about the forums, members, rules, etc.

i have to be honest. i have no sympathy for those members who start flame wars. there are excellent members who suck it up, understand they made a mistake, and then go about on their way to fix it. then there are the members who basically attack the admin or complain about the situation that they create drama for. for those people, i say that they brought it on themselves if people tell them they are ridiculous. it's the internet, like someone once said, if you can't be honest on the internet, then where else can you be honest?

what i like about jcnet is that intelligent, thoughtful posts get noticed and rewarded. a lot of interesting point of views were presented and perhaps we could be a bit more lax in policing the forums, especially for first time members, BUT i want jcnet to also maintain the quality that we have gotten used to.

once again, to sum up my post. i don't think people should be ridiculed for making mistakes BUT if they attempt to start drama, then it's their own fault that drama starts fighting back in return. some people might think i'm one of those arrogant, in your face members, and you know what? this is the way some people talk and express themselves. i don't particularily care or wish to censor myself just because someone is offended. if they have enough balls to confront me and MAKE me care, then maybe we can get to the root of the problem.

but really in the end, maybe i'm harsh on this, IT'S THE INTERNET. it's not real life, it's like a pseudo, easier intro to what goes on in the real world. sometimes people aren't going to like you. sometimes people are going to hate your opinions. sometimes people are going to think you're an idiot. deal with it. and maybe, just maybe, you can learn to improve yourself with those comments.

refer to this *cough*: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Image:Seriousbusiness2.jpg

[xingqing]

i love the way JC.net is, but sometimes i'm afraid to break the rules cuz there're so many rules. >< however, this site is the neatest site i've ever seen. i think the moderators are so good to organize the site as neat as it is. ^^ clap clap clap... (but it would be great if you low down the strict level a little bit. ^^)

[judes]

^ HOW though?
which of the rules do you find too strict?

is it the banner sizes?
is it the deleting of the threads?
is it the elitism of the social groups?
do you feel that your views are ignored?

can everyone be a little more specific if they don't like the rules?

[laruku]

Oh and in addition, just a pet peeve, please stop referring us as "higher members".. We're not that much different.

Anyway, we've DIGRESSED. I'm all for some change. The site is stagnant and the older members are growing up, leaving less time for the net & also because of the increase in the number of noobs who don't know they are noobs.

Anyway, what other suggestions/comments do other people have? Where are those who voted #3?? What do you EXACTLY hate about the rules? Which rule do you think is not fair?

[milkified]

Personally, I fear of not being responded. :oops:

When I want to post something, I'm always afraid that it'll make the thread die. Or it goes invisible to other people so it makes me look like I'm talking and responding to myself.
Not that I'm an attention whore and want all the people to focus on me.
Maybe it's because I'm not very good with words and expressing myself so people find it very hard to respond to what I say and just ignore my posts.
It makes me feel that I don't belong some parts of the forum at all.
So sometimes I'll just stay in the forum and watch what is going on without giving respond or comment.
But I'm willing to change and is always trying to make my posts understandable and simple so that people will notice me.

[ColaPoP]

Hahaha "higher members". It's like we exist on a differnt plane~ *chuckle*
Better 'higher' than 'older' right? But, it's all good with me.

Oldies, I know we're desperate to help an find a solution to the problem... but it kinda seems like we're shouting "TELL US DAMMIT! OF COURSE I WON'T HURT YOU" at all the younger/newer/fresher members.

Right then, as no one is being specific, let's try a different approach. Here are the JC.net forum rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152)


1. Don’t post crap.
2. Make your topic titles descriptive, NO "suspense" titles allowed.
3. Post in the appropriate forum.
4. Do NOT spam the forums or solicit JCNET members via PM
5. Give credit to whomever it belongs
6. Use the SEARCH function, or just look around before posting!
7. Don't post a topic to a specific person
8. Follow the banner rules
9. Type in readable ENGLISH!
10. REFRAIN FROM using loads of Singlish, Manglish, or any other special dialects
11. Chinese & other foreign characters not allowed without translation

LISTEN UP Ohh~ Rules. *gulp* Awful right? So tell us, what's so horrible about them? and which rules would you like to see this forum 'relax' a little on?

(Ene, can you please add these rules to the first post in this thread. Also, ask which particular rules they would like JC.net to 'loosen' up on. Thanks :wink2:)

[liliceprincess]

I voted for I love JC.net as it is but at times, I am too afraid to post for fear of "breaking" the rules.

Personally, i have been here for almost a year and more. I still have a feeling of fear that goes in my mind when I want to post. There seems to be rules that are like "one on one" and also spamming, therefore sometimes i seem to not post at certain places just to make sure taht it is something that is well worth a post. I understand that spamming is not something tolerated here at all wat so ever, but i think it shouldnt be that taken so seriously? I mean of course enforce it, but dont say its spamming when it may seem, cause i understand that there are less people on especially when i come on and when you post it does seem like spamming, but i dont believe it truly is. I think spamming should be more over specified. And then when i see one on one i tend to get scared to post in there cause i wonder to myself, " will i get into trouble for doing that?"

There are definitely rules that i tolerate, yes JCNET does have a lot more rules than any forum i have ever seen, but i have noticed that many people taht do sign up for JCNET sometimes are leechers. But i definitely have an inside feeling of fear when posting. Its not that the rules go too over board, but some are so much enforced you get in trouble so easily at times.

I have gone through times that it is really hard to remember all the rules especially with everything else that is in our lives other than jcnet. I know its like spazzing but it definitely gets me feared from it. I have seen many others get inactive because of fears. I know problems have arouse where admins have really been hard on things and truly it can scare someone from really coming on here.

[ColaPoP]

Personally, I fear of not being responded
I think everyone's felt that to a degree... that what you're posting may seem silly, that people won't understand you (as English is your 2nd language), and like you said, being a thread-killer. I say, you risk looking a fool if you want to be heard... but look on the bright side 1) Even if they ignore you, so what? They're internet folks... you have enough to deal with in real-life without having to worry about their opinion too; 2) If you feel you don't belong in a certain thread/sub-forum as no one is responding... move on to one where people do respond and where you feel comfortable. Like attracts like, you're bound to meet some lovely folks that way; 3) they are responding to other posts (and not yours) cos it peaks their interest; and 4) they are probably too caught up in their own dramas/post, and unintentionally ignoring yours.

Interesting points you've made regarding spamming liliceprincess, but I'm a little confused. The forum rules explain spamming as "posting the same message multiple times"... but you seem to be using 'spamming' in a different context... can you explain? I don't mean to pick on you, just trying to understand. We are grateful for your feedback after all :happy:

Another thing I've noticed... are newbies on this site that lost? Is the site really that confusing? If new members are scolded because they don't realise there are rules on this site, or if they don't understand the process of socialising/interacting on a forum... I have 2 ideas:

1) Direct Email/PM to newbies when they first join:
In the email to confirm a newbie's login password/email address... we have a scripted letter welcoming them to JC.net, including an explanation of the forum rules, links to banner rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/bannerrules.htm), reputation FAQ (http://www.jay-chou.net/reputation_faq.htm), and JCNET FAQ (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/faq.php?faq=jcnet_faq_item). And perhaps a link to a list of mods/VIP/newly created "newbie-helpers" group who can be PMed if they have any questions regarding forum interaction.

2) Creating a newbie sub-forum:
This sub-forum I imagine will be an utter mess (to begin with at least) lol... but it's one where newbies can learn how to interact on a forum, and meet other newbies who are in the same boat as them. There can be 2 sub-forums within this. Posts in this sub-forum will not count, and one cannot be de-repped in there (if they have been clearly offensive or are out to stir trouble, they may as well be banned at that point (pick out the trouble-makers early on).

Sub A - Information/Admin thread (permanent threads):
Stickies: Welcome to Jay-Chou.net [newbie survival guide inside] (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4503), Forum rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=152), Banner rules (http://www.jay-chou.net/bannerrules.htm), Posting & you (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6871), FAQ (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/faq.php?faq=jcnet_faq_item), etc

... these are pretty much the current threads from the ‘Announcements’ sub-forum, but we move the ones that are most informative/helpful to the newbie forum and keep regular/group-member announcements here. The current ‘Help/Feedback’ sub-forum threads most relevant to newbs can also be moved here (i.e. [Guide] Posting for DUMMIES (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=5770), Why my thread always got deleted? (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=17443), etc). We can also create threads where we get direct feedback from a newbs perspective of the rules, and problems they are facing adjusting to this forum. Incidentally, this would be the perfect place to introduce the 6 JCNET groups as a stickie (What groups are about, why they might want to join, plus some info on each, link to websites, link to social group threads, etc).

Sub B - Socialising/Newbies thread (temporary threads):
Stickie: Introduce themselves (http://www.jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2909) will be the only permanent thread here.

Otherwise, newbies are encourage to create new threads/polls/whatever in here, but it will be made utterly clear that these threads are temporary and will be deleted periodically.

Basically this will be a learning-playground. Where their actions won't really count, where regular members can drop in and help out (and HAVE to be nice!), and most importantly, the newbie/noobie behaviour can be closely watched and contained. They are free to venture into other sub-forums when they feel confident, but will not be baby-ed beyond that point, and they will have to accept responsibility for their actions henceforth.

These ideas are still in draft form. I’m sure there are oversights and gaps in these ideas but it’s a start right? Any suggestions/other ideas are most welcome.

[KimchiNoodles]

i put 'I love JC.net as it is but at times, I am too afraid to post for fear of "breaking" the rules.'

honestly, i think i am scared of getting told off by moderators, after seeing their responses to some posts. although, those posts' responses do seem well deserved, and they are polite with pleases and thank yous. but, i dunno - forgive me for not expressing myself better - maybe there could be a more.. well, an approach that doesn't have as harsh a tone. maybe if i saw more 'please dont forget to make sure your banners are to size next time. thanks!'s or something along those lines, than 'banner removed. check banner rules.' or something along those lines.
that's not to say that all the banner removed's are mean sounding.
..it's hard to express for me.. it's times like these i wonder if my post is worth having the 'submit reply' button clicked

having said that, i would like to emphasise though, those 'times' aren't too often. alright, looking at my average number of posts per day, i dont blame you if you think i'm lying, but that's admittedly down, most of the time, to my, er, laziness. heh..

i'd also like to say, that i really do love this site as it is. my favourite of all forums. personally, if there had to be a change, or changes, i'd like it/them to be not too.. drastic.

all in all, the rules here all seem to make perfectly good sense, good reasons behind them. i like jcnet as it is. saying that, change happens, and sometimes its for the better.
whatever changes may be made, i cant be sure whether i'll still have it as my favourite forum, but i will most probably still keep visiting the site.
=]

[HarmonyCloud]

I LOVE JC.NET its the only forum I am active in :cry:

[liliceprincess]

Interesting points you've made regarding spamming liliceprincess, but I'm a little confused. The forum rules explain spamming as "posting the same message multiple times"... but you seem to be using 'spamming' in a different context... can you explain? I don't mean to pick on you, just trying to understand. We are grateful for your feedback after all

Yes, it is quite confusing to understand. I mean yes, that is what the rules say about spamming, but i have noticed that members in jcnet seem to alter the word of spamming to a point that things seem to be more said than what it really means. lol dont worry you arent picking on me, i have noticed a lot of people are concerned about this, and are trying to understand each person's perspective and opinion to it. Well spamming seems to be altered in different meanings from each person to person. And i have seen when people neg rep. for spamming, sometimes it seems not for same message multiple times, i can be saying things in a lot of places. Maybe it sounds weird but i have seen it. :oops:

I do think that having a newbie place would be nice. I know that whne i first came on here, it was very hard to get into the atmosphere. I know that there are many times, being a newbie can put you in a position of making mistakes. But at the same time, it seems that newbie's get so scared including myself at the same time that it has been a lead to having them become inactive. I understand yes, people might be upset and all when there is someone that is new to the site that doesnt do what the rules say. But i have noticed that the rules dont seem to be quite as noticeable. lol It toook me some time to understand the rules myself. I didnt know about direct linking, and everything else till i had found that button which was on the top. In addition, i dont think many people look in the newbie post before the actually post. So i think it would be nice to have a place to enforce the rules but yet to a point that there are chances to redeem yourself.

all in all, the rules here all seem to make perfectly good sense, good reasons behind them. i like jcnet as it is. saying that, change happens, and sometimes its for the better.

That is a good point that, although rules might be broken, rules are there for reason. I might be contradicting myself >< but i believe rules are rules, but they should not be so strict? i mean there should be a note to them telling what they did wrong without scaring them. I know when i did get a note when i was a newbie here, it was scared to death to what i was supposed to do. I feel in some ways the atmosphere for newbies are hard.

I love JCNET to whatever that it might lead to, but i think what is done will be done.

[judes]

And perhaps a link to a list of mods/VIP/newly created "newbie-helpers" group who can be PMed if they have any questions regarding forum interaction.

i've been in websites where this works. they have a list of volunteers and each newbie is paired up with a volunteer and they are guided into the forum so that their intro to the forum is more friendly & easier. maybe we can make this available to all newbies when they arrive and they can sign up and we wil randomnly pair them up with a "mentor" type person to help them.

i think a kind of "newbie world" would be a good place to put in for people to interact in where mistakes are kind of cushioned and they're gently guided into the forum will be helpful. i hope there will not be too much hand holding in the actual forums though, because there's even less excuse to go "OMG I DIDN'T KNOW".

And i have seen when people neg rep. for spamming, sometimes it seems not for same message multiple times, i can be saying things in a lot of places. Maybe it sounds weird but i have seen it.

i think i understand what you're saying, liliceprincess. i think it's frowned upon for people to post in ten threads within a span of 10 minutes because there's usually little content and they're posting one liners. but i think derepping is still taken seriously.

perhaps there should be a way to make admins/mods and senior members more friendly and accessible to newbies. i saw that member spotlights were helpful in getting to know people but those were on smaller forums, and we have VIP, which is similar to that.

one way i got to know a lot of "senior members" *cough* and some really nice newbies that became active members was through the irc chat. but i don't know if it's possible to bring it back.

[xiah0118]

because JC.net is neat...it makes it different from other forums. JC.net is so organized i can find what i want easily unlike other forums where everything is all over the place. leave JC.net the way it is, its fine.

[jayx8318x]

maybe if i saw more 'please dont forget to make sure your banners are to size next time. thanks!'s or something along those lines, than 'banner removed. check banner rules.' or something along those lines.

I mean I totally understand. But it's very difficult to do when you have to write that message a dozen over times, sometimes to the same people. At first it's like "Please check your banner size thanks =)" then it becomes "Check your banner size, thanks" finally it's just "Check your banner size!"

We have to be quick and concise with our statements. It's just like baking a cake, imagine if you had to bake 12 cakes. The first couple cakes are made with care and attention, but by the time you get to the 12th cake, the quality has gone down significantly. We can't be all candy canes and lollipop puppy dogs and rainbow happy mods all the time. But I do understand how that can be upsetting.



members in jcnet seem to alter the word of spamming to a point that things seem to be more said than what it really means.


That problem comes in when the blind lead the blind so to speak. Basically members who don't really understand the rules think they do, and misinform the other members. We get reports on "one liners!" or "spamming!" all the time, when they're really NOT. The rules say useless one liners. But for some reason, people by default believe ALL one liners are prohibited by the rules.

Same idea with spamming. People don't really know the meaning. Which only leads me to explain more clearly. But I hate writing too much in the rules, bc I know people hate reading. That's why I made it huge font with lots of spaces in between. It won't be hard to read.

2) Creating a newbie sub-forum

I like the idea of this too. I visited a forum where when you join, for the first 7 days you could ONLY post in the newbie forum. I guess this is good for those that are here just to get a quick answer or something. And of course for newbies feeling lost or trying to get the hang of it. And the posts will be deleted on a daily basis so we don't have to worry too much on crappy posts.

[Wendy]

I've already gotten used to the rules... though it was a bit hard at first, but as time goes by, i was able to type in proper English.. not in singlish, i mean...

The rules are the part of the reason why i love jcnet.. it made the environment so clean... and so easy to read and understand the threads and posts..
I been to other forums too, yes, there are some rules here and there, but ppl just don't like to follow the rules. And, it messed up that forum.

I'm okay with the rules here... though some of them may seemed harsh to some people, but its for everyone's own good.. who would want to go to a forum and read messy stuff... where we will find similar threads here and there, and end up getting "lost" in the forum?

I would like to thank jcnet also, for teaching me better netiquettes.

[li-yin]

i don't see any reason that we need to change unless you guys have come up with something great as usual =) i love JCnet the way it is.. and as for the rules.. nah.. we need to be fair to all members and keep the forum neat and clean.. so for all those who want to benefit for JCnet, they need to follow the rules! just imagine if it exists no rules here.. gosh.. the moderators and administrators are gonna suffer from serious migraines!! and we don't want that to happen ;P so.. yeah.. i'm fine with the rules and i loooove JCnet as it is =D

[aznjayhunter]

Sub B - Socialising/Newbies thread (temporary threads):
Stickie: Introduce themselves will be the only permanent thread here.

Otherwise, newbies are encourage to create new threads/polls/whatever in here, but it will be made utterly clear that these threads are temporary and will be deleted periodically.

Basically this will be a learning-playground. Where their actions won't really count, where regular members can drop in and help out (and HAVE to be nice!), and most importantly, the newbie/noobie behaviour can be closely watched and contained. They are free to venture into other sub-forums when they feel confident, but will not be baby-ed beyond that point, and they will have to accept responsibility for their actions henceforth.


i think this is a really good idea too. a little newbie-interation place. it gives a place for new members to adapt to this enviornment so that the more 'experienced' members outside the newbie sub-forum are not as annoyed with spam and crap etc etc...

[jaychous_girl_4ever]

I personally like the posting rules because it makes things easy to find and read. However, I feel the reputation points and the post counts are taken too seriously. Who cares if you have a million posts? I understand we do need to acknowledge those that frequently upload files and pictures and translate news, but perhaps there's another, more friendly way of doing it. Posts and reputation don't even mean much anymore without the importance of Jay Media now that youtube has TONS of Jay videos. Also, sometimes I do feel moderators can be a bit harsh to newbs or people who are posting new topics for the first time and aren't really sure what the rules/regulations are.

Thus, all in all, I would like to see a j-c.net that is a little more toned down but not TOTALLY "loose" so that it becomes messy like other forums.

[tontamoo]

Honestly, I've stopped visiting JC for a long time. When I did come back, everything shifted. There were so many rules and group membership regulations and whatnot, that it was intimidating. Orderliness is good, but there is a point where it gets too extreme.

[Ling]

I thought the rules were kinda harsh and hard to learn when I first joined! By now, I've pretty much gotten used to it. But the newbie area sounds like a great idea! Not only is there a place for newbies to learn the rules in a safe environment, the overall site is kept neat!

[wanie_jay]

i love it for the way it is, i'm getting very comfortable with the rules,and wish that there were no changes in the rules, because its the main reason why i keep sticking to it...

[kirasuran]

well, i think the rules are possibly great. haha. i wouldnt change them at all...i think them being strict is good for the forum, in most ways.

it helps guide and helps to *sorta * limit "negative" things. so im for not changing the rules.

[pandaz]

The rules do take a while getting used to, but they are fair and they just help to keep the forum in order.. Not like some forums where everywhere is a mess and there's no order at all.

[linny]

While Kahel and I were discussing the JC.net and rules a while back, we both concluded that the forum rules actually make the members better forum "citizens"*. By following the rules, while difficult at first, I think anyone who stays for any period of time learns what it means to really be part of an intelligent, engaging community.

After reading numerous posts and thinking on it awhile, I have to agree with what some others have stated - the problem isn't the rules necessarily, but the attitude that has developed concerning them.

Frankly, people just start getting mean about the rules after awhile. It's completely understandable that the mods get more curt with their responses because of the sheer number they have to deal with, that's not it. A lot of times, I feel like we as a whole are quicker to just brand a newbie as incompetent or totally n00b status without really giving them the benefit of the whole long explanation about why what they're doing is wrong. I mean, people aren't as net savvy as others and I think sometimes we take that fact for granted.

That said, I really like the idea of having a set PM that we send right when a member joins so they don't feel as lost, the mentor program, and the newbie sub-forum. I think all three would really help to ease the transition into this forum.

*Also, random but wouldn't it be funny if members had to take a kind of citizenship test? JC.net is like a giant imaginary country after all, haha. And actually, citizenship just doesn't mean just being in the country, it also means taking on responsibilities of the well-being of that country.

As 'citizens' of JC.net, it's our responsibility to not only know the rules, but use them to better the community as a whole.

Um, yes. Random.

[NovemberRain]

"I love JC.net as it is but at times, I am too afraid to post for fear of "breaking" the rules."



I used to post for Jay news I found on the net. Although I am a chinese, I am chinese-illiterate. So I post news that ARE already posted in english, which is translated from other sources. I give the source and credit the person who translated it as well as the website where I found the article.

Once my post was deleted for no reason. I found no fault in it. All the dates, titles, and credits were clearly written.

So I took the trouble to repost it, after inspecting every bit of the post.

But then it got deleted again and my reputation point got deducted. Since then, I lost the interest to post any news I found on the net.

I used to say "Hey, that article have not been posted in JCNET before, I wanna repost it and share it with my fellow JCNET members"

But now, because of that terrible experience, I would say "Nay, why bother? Someone else would repost it. I'm not going for the most number of `Thank you's` anyway."

So you see, I forgot which mod or admin deleted it but it was sad. Withing the first 2 minutes I posted the news, it got deleted. It was quite a long article and would surely take some time to finish reading.

I wonder whether that mod or admin did finished reading the article.

A phobia.

I follow the rules but till today I don't know why it got deleted, and my reputation point deducted.

Anyone with the same case?

P/S: If I am said to be stealing from other sources, why bother to credit the person. Ever heard of thieves who thank the person they stole from? Yea, maybe idiots.

I'm not.


Sry :sweat:

[haihan7]

I agree with the people that say newbies are kinda intimidated because I felt and still feel like that. I don't post because I feel like I'm not needed and ignored, so I stopped and started to just read what other people post. Some people who've been here longer than me still feel uncomfortable and are unwilling to post. Sad but true, some of us feel exposed because of the point count and the rep pts. We really don't know what to to do other than just lurk around and do as I said. . . read. Even now, I feel exposed and vulnerable like an infant. I just don't feel as if I belong anywhere. Don't get me wrong, I love Jay Chou. In fact, my cousin who's visiting from Taiwan is crazy about him too, and we rant about how much we love him and listen to all his songs together. I just wish that the interaction I get between my cousin and me is something I, a newbie, can feel here. Maybe it can be something to work on here at JC.net

[cs_omigosh]

I think one of the things that makes jcnet unique is it's neatness. It really quite easy to find the things you want to find. I like it ^^

And if you are sharing some clips etc, it's kind of nice to see a thoughtful reply, and not just "The link died, please re-upload".

However, perhaps we shouldn't be too mean to newbies..=) I have seen some newbies being told off by several members for breaking a rule. I feel that perhaps someone in the authority (mod/admin) should be the one doing the disciplining (in private), to save the person from embarressment =)

However, if the person is really terrible, perhaps then just ban him/her ^^

[judes]

^ yes, maybe with an extended mod team the problem of harassing newbies will be gone. i don't like seeing a bunch of members jump on a n00b and bash them even though they are fairly n00bish.

hopefully the newbie forum / mentor program will help out with that though.

(although i personally find flame wars a lot of fun but that's probably not appropriate for this forum haha)
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when i read through the rules now i'm actually surprised to see there are not that many "rules" that are written down as things to follow, but that maybe there's the impression that there are tons of rules or perhaps just etiquette that are not clearly stated. perhaps we all just need to relax a bit more and not be as policing about the rules but learn to "guide" them into doing the right thing. so if a rule is broken, only one member needs to mention it, there doesn't need to be a train of members yelling at the person that they're being dumb.
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haihan: i'm glad you're expressing yourself in here though. it helps to see what the newbies think because a lot of us who are commenting here probably don't remember clearly what it was like to be new here.
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edit: i'd like to add though that i hope the banner rule will still remain in place. i really hate going to other forums and seeing giant glittery animated banners and bright large font that takes up half of my page and is bigger than their posts.

[halobean]

i think that the senior members here shouldnt go hard on the newbies..as they are..well,newbies. most of the newbies tend to break rules unintentionally, but its a learning experience.
anyway, as for me ,i love JCnet the way it is now. it is really organized, and it is easy for members to navigate around.
if i had to change one thing, it would probably be the lay out of the page..maybe a little bit of variety (in terms of the theme or layout) would be nice.
however,i think JCnet is doing great now!

[linny]

^ Hum, maybe we should have mod evaluations or some kind of reporting system? Like, if newbies feel they're being treated overly harsh or unfair, they could fill out an anonymous evaluation and make mods aware of how they're being perceived or the kind of job they're doing?

Of course, this leaves the door open for some newbies to abuse the system, but if it's just input, it can't really do harm, can it? It might help in the future to make mods at least aware of how they come off towards newbies.

The only issue would be who would be in charge of going through the potentially ginormous amount of paper work involved and organizing it all.

I don't know. I don't think very many of the mods are very mean in general. o.O

[aznjayhunter]

^ Hum, maybe we should have mod evaluations or some kind of reporting system? Like, if newbies feel they're being treated overly harsh or unfair, they could fill out an anonymous evaluation and makes mods aware of how they're being perceived or the kind of job they're doing?

Of course, this leaves the door open for a lot of abuse, but it might help in the future to make mods at least aware of how they come off towards newbies.


hmm :hmm: if this evaluation is put to use...hopefully newbies wont write hateful messages to the mods :worry: but this is a good idea too...

i dont think the mods are mean either. they're just doing their job, and some ppl are over-sensitive.

[honeypinkies]

we need rules for everything....especially in cyber world....so keep it!

[ryanzen]

the rules is good, but maybe we should loosen up a bit, especially the part where we want to be a part of social group, i mean sometimes we keep applying but nothing happen, and in the social forum, the members seems too busy with themselves and we don't know how to join their chat.

[vanillae123]

I kinda.... like the rules.

Everyone here speaks proper English, so it's easier for non-Chinese fan to interact since we all basically speaks the same language. JCNET is the most organised forum I ever been. I've been to many forums where everything is a mess.

The rules are not that tight, I've been to a forum where we get in trouble for posting out of topic.

The first time I joined, I was quite intimidated by the 'regulars' too... But it turn out to be okay... One thing we need to work on is 'how we welcome the newbie'.

[shinjay]

I dont think the rules is strict too!
I feel that this is what the REAL forum is...enforce good rules.. and many obey with it.
From my experience... starting from Register and then reading the rules.. I just feel abit strict.. but when I getting to know more friends, post more, read more news and active sometime, I feel that the rules is just nothing.
And rules can prevent some stupid spammer and spoiler that destroy our fun in JC net.

I dont wish/like to see everyone post 1 word, post crap.
Last word: I seriously respect and salute the admin and moderators!

[laruku]

8 pages and we still have NOT hit the nail on the head. The poll is about which RULES are you NOT happy with. And which ones you would like to change/remove?

THIS is the most important thing that we want to know!!! Come on! What is bugging you on the rules?????

[jayx8318x]

After reading the comments I now believe it's not any individual rule that people find unfair. It's the way they are enforced. I'm sure most people will agree that our rules are common sense and general courtesy like some people have said. We don't have rules that say "No chewing gum while typing your posts at JCNET" or "You must not badmouth Jay ever and defend his honor at all times" or anything unreasonable like that.

So maybe this topic should have been more like "Your opinion on how JCNET rules are enforced" I'm sure we would have gotten a lot more COLORFUL responses :whistle:

[jay_is_cute]

I love JCNET so much because of the rules and I can't stand the noob-infested stupidness so prominantly present in most other forums. For the most part, I don't see any problems with the way the rules are being enforced either. I've never been yelled at, but I've never seen a mod yell unreasonably at anyone. Sometimes the responses to rule-breakers are curt, but hey, I really don't expect a mod to be nice about something that they've had to repeat a thousand times.

I know that JCNET is respected for its rigidity, even amongst other forums, and the rules make the forum enjoyable. Time and again, when other forums need suggestions, I do see other forum members bringing up rules, etc. implemented in JCNET.

[King Aaron]

I voted for this "I hate all the rules and regulations of this place. I wish JC.net was like other forums."

I understand the need for neatness and the rules but it gets hard to bear sometimes. I'm a regular user of a tennis message board and yes I know we can't, and shouldn't compare the two but I feel a lot more happier/easier to view/browse and post there.

Basically, I'm just not used to the rules and I hardly come here anymore (not that I was a regular before) but I used to lurk/browse but not log in. I admire the strict rules and how the admins/mods keep this site as best as they can.

Personally for me, if there were less rules and restrictions on here, I would be visitng more often. However, I do think you guys are doing a good enough job and have a stable amount of regulars/visitors so I do not see an actual need for you all to change any rules.

That's about it, I don't think I made any sense with my post but yeah erm, that's what I wanted to say.

:wave:

[yenny1106]

I think for me, it's because of the rules that make jc.net enjoyable. For instance the rule on banners, at first I thought it was quite silly, but after visiting other sites, I realised that some people have such ** huge banners, they take so much time to load, wasting my time & bandwidth etc etc.

Labelling of titles of post allow us to easily locate the posts we want to read. It's a very neat rule. Seriously, I think the rules are just fine.

IMO, I think we can leave it the way it is. People come & go, and I think there's nothing wrong with the activity of the forum fluctuating. I mean, Jay is busy filming now, for me, there's nothing much I can discuss. But when his albums are released, obviously we';ll be very excited & the site's traffic will increase.

I apologise if I'm one of those who don't post very frequently, but jc.net still holds a place in my heart. It has become part & parcel of my daily surfing to log into jc.net once everyday.

All the best, jc.net! & moderators & administrators, thanks for all the hard work the past few years, but since u guys are the one behind this whole thing, I'll respect your decision.

hhaha... my post sounds so serious.... =)

[happifruit]

When I first joined the forum, I actually was bit scared after reading the rules because they're very strict, but I'd rather have them strict then have a messy forum. I love seeing things organised and the only way to really do that for a forum seems to be strict rules so the forum doesn't get filled by a bunch of crap or loads of old topics that people are still replying to with one-liners. I love the job that the mods have been doing and I'm all for keeping the rules strict.

A huge "thank you" for our admin and mods.

[lil~jo]

I have always loved this place.

Never EVER thought it was too tough.
It was nice to stay in an environment where hell didnt run loose.

I think it has been very successful these past years.
I've seen many other forums and their not HALF as good.
I'm not being bias.
My own forum was nice but I couldnt get it in order like this place.
Keep it as it is please!! :happy:

[xiaojielun]

i dont think there is a need to change the rules, i love it the way it is :-)
its just problematic for noobs who dont know the place
without the rules this forum would become a mess with mods constantly having to clean up the place and getting frustrated at the same time

[jay_C]

Rules make everthing go in a better result.
But all these rules should not scare people to do mistake.
on the other hand the mods should teach people to do the right thing in a nice manner, nice language, etc(i dont say that the mods are very cruel and addicted in killing people)
o yeah, sorry for my bad english.

[wendy8d]

I admit when i first joined, i was so scared to make posts b/c i was afraid that something would happen and then i would break the rules, but then i realized that the rules are imposed the way they are in order to keep JCnet orderly and working smoothly. Perhaps a lot of people also felt intimidated...so i think that the rules are great as they help control everything and keep things from getting out of hand, but somehow make them less intimidating? i don't know :) I don't think i make much sense. lol

[cs_omigosh]

Hi..actually I have a doubt regarding double posting. For example, if u reply to a thread which has ur post as the last reply after a day (or more than a day) later, would it be considered as a double post?

[judes]

^ it won't be, because any double posts will automatically be merged into a single post if you post below it. i think that's how it's set up now unless you're an admin or a mod and can double post.

[cs_omigosh]

judes, but it happened to me twice before I think.. and I remember receiving some reminders (not from admins or mods but from normal members) that those are considered as double posts...=)

If I decide to edit my post and add in more stuff..I guess nobody would read it, cos they would not know that I edited my post..and there's no indication that a new post was made. So I had to delete the original post and post a new msg.. (hope u understand what I am saying..^^)

[judes]

^ if you check the rules, you'll see that the rule about double posting is basically discarded because you can't double post (strictly speaking, having one of your posts followed by another). it isn't double posting anymore because the posts are merged into one post, which is the same as editing the post itself except i think the thread is shown as "with new posts" afterwards.

unless a mod or an admin wants to correct me i think that's how it works, and members shouldn't reprimand you on that since it's not double posting.

[Galzs_revolution]

well jc net rules strict, but without the rules the site obviously won't be this organise. i always love the way jc net organise things though. yet somehow probably people are feeling intimidated because they afraid to offend the mod/adm, especially they don;t want to look bad, being scolded by the mod/adm. i think the rules are strict, yet somehow the enforcements by the mod/adm are more strict, which make people feel intimidated.

[cs_omigosh]

judes> Ah..the problem is, the two posts were not merged together =) Cos the previous post was made quite a long time ago..^^ here's an example to show what I mean: click (http://jay-chou.net/forums/showthread.php?t=20020)

But it's okie..I seldom meet that situation anyway..haha.. Thanks for helping me out though! ^^

[Pugwash]

Option #1.

The rules in place now are fine. There aren't too many and half of them are just rules you'll see on any forum. Things become complicated when you start adding too many rules.

I think the main issue here is how moderators and VIP members are enforcing the rules. I think problems should be taken up via PM, not directly in the threads. I think that's why option #2 is winning at the present moment. Although it gives me a slight chuckle, members shouldn't be held back in fear thinking they're going to get scolded and screamed at by a moderator if they post something stupid. It really ruins the ambiance around here.

[hisashiluv14]

I like the rules, but they do take some getting used to. I think almost everyone felt intimidated by the rules when they first joined; I know I did. I joined in 2003 if I remember correctly, and it took me a while to get used to the forum and to start posting.

But once you get used to the rules, they really don't bother you. I picked the last option because that's the way it is for me now. Besides, what I like about this site is how neat everything is, and the way proper English is enforced (mangled English drives me absolutely insane and I'd leave if people are allowed to type whatever mutated forms of English they please). I think JCNet would be significantly different if the rules were changed - and that...would really suck.

[lattae]

I think the main issue here is how moderators and VIP members are enforcing the rules. I think problems should be taken up via PM, not directly in the threads. I think that's why option #2 is winning at the present moment.
Actually I think we only see episodes that are like "public". Most are cleaned quietly. Usually we "slaughter" in public once in a blue moon to show our point, and to warn other noobs who'd likely make the same mistake. It's crazy to keep sending PMs and track whether they've been read.

[whatever u want]

I don't think the rules are strict... so nothing to worry about it at all
and about the site, it's now really cool, too...
but anyway, if you guys change it into a more interesting and cooler site, so why don't we change it ? :)

[Enchantress_Mi]

yeah partly the reason why i love JC.net is becoz that this place is so neat and nice and it has a very nice vibe to it......plus i think this is the reason why i have stay with JC.net insted of other jay chou sites

but i have to say that sometimes i am very afraid to post here becoz i do have a fear that i might break the rules or did something wrong ..........this forum's rule is very strict compared to other forums i have been to but i can' live with it ....... so i guess the rules here are fine there is no need to change it

[cync.jay]

ahaha.. mine's the second option.. hmm.. generally everything is ok.. just the banner part.. haha.. been warned and banner deleted by mods several times.. hehe..