Malaysian Politics

[vunsin]

I know most Malaysians in this forum probably aren't old enough to vote, but I'm sure you have your opinions, right? Your parents and other family members probably have a big influence on your political views. I know dissing political leaders may/could lead to dire consequences in Malaysia, so, don't do anything extreme. :angel:

Anyhow, I've been away from Malaysia for almost seven years now and I've never had the chance to vote, because I left the country the same year I turned the voting age of 21. I've only been home once and that was last summer for three weeks. I haven't really been keeping myself updated on the political developments in Malaysia.

I'm hoping to see some discussions going on in this thread. What's going on in the local political scene recently? How do people feel about our political leaders and political issues? Things like that.

Respect one another!

[kamceng]

politics? man, that's is one of my favourite topic to talk about!!!!

anyway, i think every malaysian here know who's Dato' Abdullah Ahmad Badawi and Tun Mahathir, right? and i think most of you guys know about the fight between the present prime minister and the ex-prime minister. when Mahathir critisized Abdullah, every medias in malaysia were talking about it and still doing it. Mahathir said something about Abdullah's government broke their promise to do this and that. i think he also said that Abdullah's goverment is less efficient or something like that....

and this morning, me and my friend were talking about it, and he's at Mahathir's side, saying that Mahathir was only critisizing Abdullah, and it does not bring any harm. but i fight back saying that Abdullah is the leader of the goverment, and he has his own ways of ruling it, and i don't think Mahathir need to involved in the government anymore as he already ruled this country for twenty years, and now he has to stepped back and gives way to other people. it's not easy being a Prime Minister, and just imagine all the pressures Abdullah has to take. i mean, his wife and his main supporter in his life, Datin Endon just died last year, so, it must be pretty hard for him......

hopes you guys get what i'm trying to say.....:happy:

[EricOng]

Well, it seems to me that Pak Lah is the one who could restore peace to our country rather than Tun to create more fights.
He quotes that,
"We do not need to seek permission from Singapore in order to build bridges in our border. Its just losing the sovereignity of our country."
Well, I don't think so.
Respect one another is the best way.
Isn't it better to create peace rather than Singapore having another confrontation against Malaysia?
Then isn't that defeating the purpose of the United Nations?

[Donny]

i personally am an anti politics, well, wad i mean is, i don like to talk bout politics, coz its dirty, its unfair, and its so sensitive i gets allergy to it.

but wad i wanna say is, the "white hair" guy really is terrible, under his control, s`wak sux! mere development (*i wont say no coz he does develop, for fishin votes).

n the new yb in my area, Pending of Kch, which is the biggest area of vote with the most no. of voters and population, had a big turn on the table. the new yb, is my neighbour, a new lil lawyer, juz graduated from melbourne, came out 1~2 yrs after study, go against the government straight away (*which i wont say is a bad thing), and won on her debut!

well educated, rubbish! she's fine, the only thing is, y does she stil wana raise chickens in the backyard compounds of her house. 1st, its against malaysia's law, 2nd, she's a lawyer! y cant she understand it!?! and we as a neighbour suffered from the smell of the shits everytime we wanna hav our meal at our dining room.

[vunsin]

Hey, this is great. See? I didn't know about these things. Thanks for sharing!

So what are some of the "promises" the new government has made?

[kamceng]

i don't really know actually, cause i just accidently read about the stuff in the newspaper.

got this from the newspaper online....
Dr M slams Pak Lah but BN leaders rally behind the PM

By V.P.SUJATA



PUTRAJAYA: Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad levelled his strongest criticism yet against Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, accusing the Prime Minister of dismantling many of his policies and projects.

The former Prime Minister, who retired in 2003, said Abdullah had not been his first choice as successor but second after current Deputy Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak.

Dr Mahathir said he was hurt by allegations that he “finished all the Government's money, and that the Government was bankrupt” because of mega-infrastructure projects that marked his 22 years in power.

Dr Mahathir said Najib received the highest votes but he decided to choose Abdullah anyway. However, Dr Mahathir did not elaborate.
source-http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/6/8/nation/14473163&sec=nation&focus=1

also got this...
Friday, June 09, 2006
What Mahathir is so mad about

REME AHMAD
The Straits Times

MEGA PROJECTS

He questions why big projects in Putrajaya, including a monorail and a giant mosque, were halted. He says the government has a lot of money because of high oil prices.

'The government claims it has no money to continue concessions. That's what they say to stop many projects in Putrajaya. My contention is the government has lots of money - Petronas made a profit of RM50 billion last year and, this year, of RM80 billion.'

He claims that Datuk Seri Abdullah did not keep his word to continue projects of the previous administration, which is why he went public with his criticisms.

'There were certain things promised that should be done by the incoming government, but the incoming government not only did not do what was promised, but in fact, the incoming government reversed many of the decisions made.'

He claims officials say he exhausted public funds with mega projects.

'I tolerated this for as much as possible, including the charge that I finished all of the government's money, that the government was bankrupt and couldn't have any more projects.'

BRIDGE PROJECT

He is upset that a bridge will not be built to replace the Johor Causeway.

'This is our country, yet we have to seek permission from another country to build a bridge on our side. Where is the sovereignty?'

He is upset that Malaysia supposedly offered to sell sand to Singapore to get a deal on building the bridge.

'It is clear that the Malaysian government is more interested in selling sand to Singapore than building the bridge. That there should be any Malaysian leader willing to entertain this idea, to destroy Malaysian seas to satisfy Singapore speaks badly of his love for his country.'

AUTOMOTIVE POLICY

He asks why a few Malay middlemen made millions in profits when the approved permit (AP) scheme was started to promote more Malay businessmen selling cars.

'Why is such a small number of companies getting such a large number of APs? It is not in keeping with the bumiputera policy.'

He wants to know why government-owned Proton sold Italian motorcycle maker MV Agusta, bought for RM500 million (S$217 million), for 1 euro.

'If Agusta had debts, then the purchase price would have been lower. Why did Proton buy it for a higher price? There must be a mystery here and we have to get to the bottom of it.'

He is unhappy that Proton is not given much government help any more.

'If some feel one way to overcome the many problems we hear today, including approved permits to import cars and so on, is that we do not have the automotive industry in Malaysia, we just close down.'

OTHER ISSUES

He says local media censors and blacks out his comments and asks why this is happening at a time when government says it is more open.

'Where is the press freedom? I know the reporters are also unhappy because what they report is not published. Broadcast what I have to say. What I say is not even accurately published in the press.'

Amid speculation he is unhappy with some of PM Abdullah's advisers, he says the Premier gets wrong advice.

'The present government can do a good job if it wants to. The means are there but if it comes under the influence of people who have other agendas, then I can't help.'
source-http://www.malaysia-today.net/Blog-e/2006/06/what-mahathir-is-so-mad-about.htm
hope this helps....

[Donny]

the state "erection" in sarawak was just over, and its a huge incident. for the 1st time in history DAP got 6 seats in the state parliament. now even the city mayor has resign (*i think its a bad thing, he's a BN, but he's a chinese, a reliable guy who we can go to talk to when in need of help).

well, the issues raised is about the oil price. the raise of the oil price was just over, and many ppl were not happy bout it. the DAp said they can do sth bout it if they were in it. i don think they can do anythin bout it coz its controlled by the Federal, not the state.

another serious issue is bout the land. there r life spans for lands, meaning, when u buy a house for RM200k, u get 66, or if lucky, 99yrs of life span. imagine... u had to work so hard to pay for it, and after 66yrs (*2nd generation fo urs?), its all gone... all belong to the G. so wad's left for us? we had to buy another! i think this is a serious issue though. its jus not fair. and to renew it, we had to pay like 20k~"duno who much", dependin on ur land size. this is redicuious!

[vunsin]

Wow... this is interesting. Those seem like serious issues. But who really knows the truth? Sometimes, even the government has no idea what's going on.

And then, of course, there's this whole racial issue too. I remember learning in history class ages ago that it was part of the deal of becoming Malaysians when Malaysia was formed that Chinese and Indians would have less political power than Malays. To what extent? Has anything changed?

[Donny]

nope, nth changed. the malays and locals stil has previlage, or "special rights", not only in political, even in educations, businesses, and lotsa things.

for example, DiGi Communication (*3rd largest telecommunication service provider) failed to get their 3G license while Maxis and Celcom succeeded. however, MiTV and another company manage to get their 3G license.

these 2 names, i've nv heard of, n they r utterly not in this business, how the hell they can get this 3G licenses and run this business? the reason DiGi failed to get their 3G license is bcoz they don hav a local or malay havin big stacks and racks in their share holders.

another issue, my "lil sister" scored straight A's in her spm which ended last yr, n she failed to get any scholarships! Petronas gav it to 3 students who merely get 6As and 5As. all r non-chinese, they r locals n malay.

[vunsin]

I know how that works (scholarship). I had some issue with that myself many years ago. That was how I ended up in the U.S. - I was fed with the unequal opportunity! They used to do the quota thing for university entrance too. Now it's merit-based, isn't it?

Well, politics... things are the same in every country. Some are more corrupt that others, but everybody plays dirty. You can't get anywhere being an honest person in politics.

[ocy]

Thank you, Vunsin jie for creating this thread.

I, myself, isn't really fond of politics and haven't been keeping up with the recent development in our politics. And, this thread seems to do just that for me :)

...
and this morning, me and my friend were talking about it, and he's at Mahathir's side, saying that Mahathir was only critisizing Abdullah, and it does not bring any harm. but i fight back saying that Abdullah is the leader of the goverment, and he has his own ways of ruling it, and i don't think Mahathir need to involved in the government anymore as he already ruled this country for twenty years, and now he has to stepped back and gives way to other people. it's not easy being a Prime Minister, and just imagine all the pressures Abdullah has to take. i mean, his wife and his main supporter in his life, Datin Endon just died last year, so, it must be pretty hard for him......I hope that the discussion didn't deteriorate the friendship between the two of you. Now, about criticism and opinions. Please bear in mind that, each of us have a set of believes and opinions that we hold dearly to, and that some of our opinions may at times contradicts each other. If we acknowledge this, we allow ourselves to see from different perspectives, gain deeper insights and having respect for others, which leads to a constructive sharing of thoughts.

And, the same goes for criticism. If we had agreed with the above, we wouldn't let ourselves be offended by criticism, instead, we would let ourselves to gain new insights and do something constructive.


...she's fine, the only thing is, y does she stil wana raise chickens in the backyard compounds of her house. 1st, its against malaysia's law, 2nd, she's a lawyer! y cant she understand it!?! and we as a neighbour suffered from the smell of the shits everytime we wanna hav our meal at our dining room.Donny, have you try voicing your opinion somewhere? Like the newspapers, the new YB's office, or just tell her directly in a respectful and polite manner? Or even on your blog? Never underestimate the power of blogging...hehe


'This is our country, yet we have to seek permission from another country to build a bridge on our side. Where is the sovereignty?'
One of the things which seems ridiculous to me, is this. If we share a bridge, then it involves more than two parties. When there's two or more parties involves in something, then should we not reach a mutual agreement before we take action to realise our goals. In this case, would it not be unwise to build a bridge on our side before reaching an agreement?


One note tho, about the stuff we read in the newspaper or anything else. Is that, we need to be a critical thinker and not take everything written for granted, because the news, in the entertainment section especially, can be "twisted" at times.

edit: a few messages have been posted while I type this post. Thus, the missed response.

[Donny]

yeah, like in aussy, malaysians love to go there, but actually many aussies don really like malaysians, especialy our students at there.
there's also a new issue which i jus though of. i heard it over a radio, which they made it into a big joke (*they always does it, to make it less sensitive). this show is "hwang Gong chan lan" (*wong gong chan lan in canton). there's this top student who achieve straight A's, but fail to get scholarship, but they got offered from SG (*very common issue), and they said to the media "is it that the country doesnt wan us, or we don wan this country?"
new stuff, duno where to put this, juz wanna share, so i put here la, u may remove it if unrelevant. i also haven read thoroughly la. XD http://chillouttime.com/scammer/scammer.html

nah, there's this case, her aunt talked to my aunt in a proud tone tat if we would hav any problems, we can go find her. my aunt replied that if they were to stop breeding chickens at the backyard, we'l nv beg them a single thing. anyway, she's the "siaw wei" tat everyone talked bout. i've been thinkin of tellin kenny (http://www.kennysia.com) bout this, but i think i don really wanna pull this issue til so serious. n also i fail to find his contact (email).

[vunsin]

One note tho, about the stuff we read in the newspaper or anything else. Is that, we need to be a critical thinker and not take everything written for granted, because the news, in the entertainment section especially, can be "twisted" at times.
This is very true. Just go to different countries' online newspaper (thank goodness for the internet) to read about the "same" event, especially the more controversial ones. You'll find the "same" story being reported differently.

Even history is being written differently in different countries. I was discussing Malaysia-Singapore history with a Singaporean friend a few years ago, and we discovered a lot of discrepancies!

[Donny]

haha~ this reminds me of the *squading* issue.

there's an unknown lady been recorded in handfone video doing ear squattin at a police station. many ppl though she was a chinese, and so it was raised in the parliament by a chinese yb. police r not allowed to force ppl going naked and jumpin ear-squattin. many foreign medias criticise this action and made it a big issue as so to protect (*save) this lady. but after a serious investigation, they found out that she's not a chinese, and so foreign medias drop this news, and i nv heard of it again.

well i did, but not a serious matter, she (*the lady police recorded in the video too) said that she juz wanna check if that lady has possesions of drugs on her body, so she told her to do as such to make sure there's no drug.

juz becoz she's not a chinese, the story ends (*i think). lol~ can someone tell me the end result? coz i'm not really sure bout it.

p/s: the SG Gov has a share in the budget of the bridge, so they hav their rights to this issue. anyway, the malaysian gov was stupid, and i do mean stupid, to act man and build the bridge as they though sg would agree to it. its an utterly foolish act, a waste of money and time. they should've got into a discussion, and if there's a final confirmed paper agreement, then they can start building it.

[kamceng]

ocy, don't worry about it. it was just a discussion since me and my friend had nothing better to do. we sometimes compare Abdullah and Mahathir, which one of them actually rules malaysia better.....

vunsin, i love the malaysia-singapore topic cause it's quite interesting, i learned that topic in my history class last year, and of course there'll be a lot of discrepancies. i mean, everybody wants to make their country looks good, right? nobody wants to say that their country is bad. for us malaysian, we were taught that the seperation of singapore from malaysia is singapore's fault, but for them, i don't think they think it's their fault.

i have a japanese exchange student in my class. his name is hideki. i'm sure all of you know what happened to our country when the japanese government ruled this country about 50 or 60 years ago, right? the japanese military that time was really cruel. they killed, robbed and did bad things to our people. and malaysians students now learn about this at school. about that hideki, one of my friends asked him does he learn about the cruelity of japanese military at his school in japan, and he said no. i mean, of course the japanese government doesn't want their youngsters to think that the japanese government 60 years ago was really cruel, right?
got what i'm saying?

for me, politics is one thing i don't want to involve in life, though it is very interesting. but we don't really know what happens in the world of politics, and i personally think there're rarely politicians who are 100% honest in their work.....

[ocy]

...but actually many aussies don really like malaysians, especialy our students at there. There's nothing we can do about it, except that, we treat others the way we want to be treated, even if the person hates us, but let us not sway from the topic.

nah, there's this case, her aunt talked to my aunt in a proud tone tat if we would hav any problems, we can go find her. my aunt replied that if they were to stop breeding chickens at the backyard, we'l nv beg them a single thing. And, what did her aunt reply?

Ah, there's more detail now. She's living with her families. Perhaps, she's not directly involved in the matter of raising chickens, although she could, at the very least, advice her families to abandon the pratice.


... anyway, the malaysian gov was stupid, and i do mean stupid, to act man and build the bridge as they though sg would agree to it. its an utterly foolish act, a waste of money and time. they should've got into a discussion, and if there's a final confirmed paper agreement, then they can start building it.Ah, is it not that ones actions/opinions would seems foolish to us, in that the actions/opinions coincide with our own experience/knowledge as being foolish? Perhaps, there's something but our government had see, that we had fail to see?


Edit: Kamceng, I understand what you're trying to say. Nobody really wants to look bad. And, that adds up to the more reasons for us to be brave and seek our own truth ;)

[vunsin]

Donny: I've read that story online before. So if that lady wasn't Chinese, what was she?

kamceng: Yup. That's true. My first bf was Japanese and we talked about that too. It's not just what happened to Malaysia. They basically censored the whole story about the war. As for the issue with Singapore, according to their history, they split from us because of pressure from the Malays. Supposedly, the high number of Chinese in Singapore would result in Chinese being the majority race in Malaysia instead of the Malays, and the Malays didn't want that. That was the version I heard from my Singaporean friend.

[EricOng]

Yup. That's true. My first bf was Japanese and we talked about that too. It's not just what happened to Malaysia. They basically censored the whole story about the war. As for the issue with Singapore, according to their history, they split from us because of pressure from the Malays. Supposedly, the high number of Chinese in Singapore would result in Chinese being the majority race in Malaysia instead of the Malays, and the Malays didn't want that. That was the version I heard from my Singaporean friend.

Well, according to my history text book, Singapore broke up with Malaysia because of PAP (People's Action Party) is trying to challenge the Malay rights. They were requesting for every races to have the equal share of rights. (Which I don't think its true, well, you know). Anyway, Chinese population during the 1957 was 45% Malaysia's population. And thats the reason why they merged in Sabah and Sarawak to make the population equal. As for now, we, Chinese reproduce least children. Average per parents end up with only two. Thus, thats the reason our population is declining to 25% the population of Malaysia.


Anyway. did you guys recieved any emails about the racial rights in Malaysia?
Well, if no, here's my two cents.

List of Racial Discrimination in Malaysia
>
>List of Racial Discriminations in Malaysia,practiced by Gov't as well as
>Gov't agencies. This list is an open secret. Bestverified by Gov't itself
>because it got the statistics. This list is not in theorder of importance,.
>that means the first one on the list is not the mostimportant and the last
>one on the list does not mean least important.
>
>This list is a common knowledge to alot of Malaysians, especially those
>Non-Malays (Tamils, Chinese, Ibans,Kadazans, orang asli, Christians, etc)
>who were being racially discriminated.Figures in this list are estimates
>only and please take it as a guide only.Gov't of Malaysiahas the most
>correct figures. Is Gov't of Malaysia too ashamed to publish theirracist
>acts by publishing racial statistics?
>
>This list cover a period of about 47years since Independence(1957).
>
>List of racial discriminations (Malaysia):
>
>50 road names (at least) hadbeen change from Chinese names to other names.
>
>10 all public universitiesVice chancellors are Malays
>
>99% of 2000 Petronas gasolinestations are owned by Malays
>
>99% of Petronas directors areMalays
>
>2% is what Chinese New Village get compare with98% of what Malays kampongs
>(villages) got for rural development budget.
>
>1000 While a Chinese parentwith RM1000 salary (monthly) cannot get
>school-text-book-loan, a Malay parentswith RM2000 salary is eligible.
>
>5% of all new intake forgov't nurses, police, army is Non-Malays.
>
>2.5% is Gov't budget forChinese primary schools. Tamil school got only 1%,
>Malay school got 96.5%
>
>15% Discount for a Malay to buy a house, regardless whether the Malay is
>rich or poor.
>
>5% The gov't universities lecturers of Non-Malay origins had been reduced
>from about 70% in 1965 to only5% in 2004
>
>2% is the percentage of Non-Malays gov't servants in Putrajaya (the new
>gov't administrative capital)..But Malays make up. 98%
>
>7% is the percentage of Chinese gov't servants in the whole gov't (in 2004),
>drop from 30% in 1960
>
>2% is the present Chineses taff in RMAF (Royal Malaysian Air Force), drop
>from 40% in 1960
>
>0 of the gov't TV statio ns(TV1 , TV2, TV3) are directors of Non-Malays
>origin
>
>2 million Malaysian Chinese had emigrated oversea since 40 years ago.
>
>0.5 million Tamils Malaysiansemigrated oversea
>
>3 million Indonesians had migrated into Malaysiaand became Malaysian
>citizens with Bumiputra status.
>
>0 Non-bumi are allowed to get shop lots in the new Muar bus station (Nov
>2004)
>
>1 Out of all the 5 major banks, only one bank is multi-racial, The rest are
>controlled by Malays.
>
>10% place for Non-Bumi students for MARA science schools beginning from year
>2003, But, only 7% arefilled. Before that it was 100% Malays.
>
>1 Catholic church in Shah Alam took 20 years to apply to be constructed. but
>told by Malay authority that it must look like a factory and not look like a
>church. Still not yet approvedin 2004.
>
>10 times, at least, Malays(especially UMNO) had threatened to massacre the
>Chinese Malaysians using May13 since 1969
>
>50 cases whereby Chinese and Indian Malaysi ans are beaten up in the Khidmat
>Negara (National Service)program in 2003.
>
>8000 B is the total amount(RM 8 Billion Rnggit) the Gov't channeled to
>Malays pockets through ASN, ASB,Tabung Haji, privatisation of Gov't
>agencies, MARA, etc through NEP over 34years period.
>
>25% is Chinese population in 2004, drop from 45% in 1957
>
>20 reported cases wherebyMalay ambulance attendance treated Chinese
>patients inhumanely and Malay Gov't hospitalstaffs purposely delay
>attending to Chinese patients in 2003. Unreported casesmay be 200.
>
>600,000 are the Tamil andChinese Malaysians with red IC and was rejected
>repeatedly when applying forcitizenship for 40 years. Perhaps 60 % of them
>had already passed away due toold age. This shows racism of how easily
>Indonesians got their citizenshipcompare with the Chinese and Indians.
>
>95% of Gov't contracts aregiven to Malays.
>
>3 only 3 out of 12 HumanRights item s are ratified by Malaysia Gov't since
>1960
>
>0 Elimination of All Forms ofRacial Discrimination (UN Human Rights) is not
>ratified by Malaysia Gov't.since 1960s
>
>5% Only 5% is given toNon-Malays for Gov't scholarships over 40 years.
>
>0 Chinese or Tamils were sentto Japan & Korea under"Look East Policy".
>
>100% All business licenseesare controlled by Malay gov't e.g. Taxi permits,
>AP permit etc.
>
>2 Chinese taxi drivers werebarred from driving in JB Larkin bus station.
>There are about 30 taxi driversand 3 are Chinese in Oct 2004. Spoiling taxi
>club properties was the reasongiven.
>
>80% of the Chinese ricemillers in Kedah had to be sold to Malay controlled
>Bernas in 1980s. Otherwise,life is make difficult for Chinese rice millers.
>
>10 At least 10 Chinese ownedbus companies (throughout Malaysia, throughout
>40 years) had to be sold to MARAor other Malay transport companies due to
>rejection by Malay authority toChinese application for bus routes and
>rejection for their application for newbuses.
>
>1 Dewan Gan Boon Leong (inMalacca) was altered to other name (e.g. Dewan
>Serbaguna or sort ) when it wasbeing officially used for a few days. Gov't
>try to shun Chinese names. Thisracism happened in around year 2000 or sort.
>
>100% All contractors workingunder Petronas projects must be Bumiputra
>status.
>
>3% of Petronas employees areChinese.
>
>30 gov't produced TV dramasand film always showed that the bad guys had
>Chinese; face and the good guyshad Malay face. You can check it out since
>1970s. Recent years, this tendencybecome less.
>
>100 big companies set up,managed and owned by Chinese Malaysians were taken
>over / bought over by gov't/ Malays and later managed by Malays since 1970s
>e.g. UMBC, MISC, UTC, etc
>
>100 constituencies (statesand parliaments) had been racistly re-delineated
>so that Chinese voters werediluted so that Chinese candidates particularly
>DAP candidates lost in electionsince 1970s.
>
>20 constituencies won by DAPwould not get funds from gov't to develop. Or,
>these Chinese majorityconstituencies would be the last to be developed.
>
>0 temples / churches werebuilt for each Taman (housing estates). But,every
>Taman got at least one mosque / suraubuilt.
>
>3000 mosques / surau werebuilt in all Taman throughout Malaysiasince 1970.
>No temples, no churches are required to be built in Taman.
>
>2637 Malay primary schoolsbuilt since 1968 – 2000
>
>48 Chinese primary schoolsclosed. down since 1968 – 2000
>
>144 Tamil primary schoolsclosed down since 1968 – 2000
>
>128 STPM Chinese top studentscould not get into the course that they
>aspired i.e. Medicine (in 2004)
>
>1 publishing of Bible in Ibanlanguage banned (in 2002?)
>
>20 cases every year wherebyChinese drivers who accidentally knocked down
>Malays were seriously assaultedor killed by Malays.
>
>50 cases each year wherebyChinese, especially Chinese youths being beaten
>up by Malay youths in publicplaces. We may check at police reports provided
>the police took the report,otherwise, there will be no record.
>
>7% is the present (2004)Malaysian Indians population, a drop from 12% in
>1957
>
>0 percent of Non-Malays staffsis legally required in Malay companies. But
>there must be 30 % Malays staffs inChinese companies.
>
>12% is what ASN / ASB got perannum while banks' fixed deposit is only about
>3.5% per annum.
>
>There are hundreds more racialdiscrimin ations in Malaysiato add to this
>list of "colossal" racism. It is hoped that thevictims of racism will write
>in to expose racism. Malaysian Government shouldpublish statistics showing
>how much Malays had benefited from the "specialrights" of Malays and at the
>same time tell the statistics of how muchother minority races are being
>discriminated. Hence, the responsibility lies inthe Malaysian gov't itself
>to publish unadulterated statistics of racialdiscrimination. If the
>Malaysiagov't hide the statistics above, then there must be some evil
>doings, immoraldoings, sinful doings and shameful doings, like the Nazi,
>going on onto theNon-Malays of Malaysia.
>
>Civilized nation, unlike evil Nazi,must publish statistics to show its
>treatment on its minority races, This is whatMalaysia must publish...We are
>asking for the publication of the statisticsshowing how "implementation of
>special rights of Malays" hadinflicted colossal racial discri mination onto
>Non-Malays.

What do you think?

[vunsin]

Are those things really happening? I have not personally experienced any form of racial discrimination like that. I was born and raised in Sabah and there aren't that many Malays in Sabah. When I was in Primary School and Secondary School, there were usually less than 5 Malay students in my all my classes. Very few Indians. There are many Kadazans, Dusuns, and other indigenous tribes in Sabah, but my hometown, Sandakan, is pretty much a Chinese town. Everywhere I went, 8 out of 10 people I met were Chinese. The rest would be either Malays or (illegal) immigrants.

It's scary to read those statistics. Are they real? It's subtle discrimination like this that scares me the most, because people are not even aware of it.

[kamceng]

hehe, hi guys.....
you guys are talking about racial discrimination? now that freaks me out....
and i think i'm the only malay stranded here, so please don't hate me....
and what eric posted above, i was also freaked out when i read that....

anyway, let me start with the malay's specialities in malaysia...
let me open back my history book. hmm..... okay...
about the malay's special rights, it is something you guys have to accept as it is stated in one of the agreement that was made when Malaysia( which is called Tanah Melayu that time) was formed about 43 years ago. the reason is, malay is the original race of this country, and as you can see, that's why it is called malaysia, malay+asia=malaysia...
and if you revise back your history book, most of the people who fought for malaysia freedom were malays. like Tunku Abdul Rahman, Dato' Onn Jaafar, and others. there were very little non-malays who fought for malaysian freedoom. yes, there were non-malays who fought for this country's freedoom ,like Tun Tan Cheng Lock and others, but they were minority. the non-malays that time weren't very interested in malaysian's freedom as they cared more about their original countries, like China or India. there were chinese and indian parties, but the visions of that kind of parties were to protect their right, not protecting the malaysian's right. and the parties which is malay-based, like UMNO for example, were fighting against the British government so hard. UMNO had to fight the Malayan Union, and the Bintang Tiga Communists, and others....
and most of the people who died for malaysia were malays. the soldiers, the army, and the nationalists. that time, the chinese and indians were not ready to sacrifice for malaysia, yet. and talking about soldiers, most of the present soldiers in malaysia are malays. ever heard of Malayan Union? UMNO fought and protested the union so hard, and at last, it was cancelled. so, my point is we, malays deserve this kind of specialitis as our great grandfathers who had sacrificed themselves for malaysia. and i can say that, if they were no malays in this country, then it will be ruled by the communist....

and as for the seperation between singapore and malaysia....
in the history of malaysia, it is stated that singapore not only questioned the special rights of the malays, but they were also trying to create a racial-discrimination between us. according to Tunku Abdul Rahman, if singapore was not seperated from malaysia, then, there would be a war, a big war between us. and we wouldn't live as peaceful as now....

okay, got what i'm saying. sorry if you guys can't understand this, cause my english is a bit :wacko: ....
finally, peace to everyone...:happy:

edit- as i say before, politic is a very dangerous and dirty thing. so, anyone who's interested to be a politician here? not me for sure...

[vunsin]

kamceng: I understand what you were saying. Those were the same things I've learned in history class and read in my history books. But as we've been discussing, can we even believe in history? The version of history that we learn in school is what our government wants us to believe. I'm not saying Malays are necessarily good or bad. Like I've said, I personally haven't had any experience of racial discrimination in Malaysia. But I'm just thinking, our government is Malay and so the Malays control what goes into history books. Obviously, they would not want to say bad things about themselves. Wasn't there a riot or something in which the Malays destroy Chinese businesses and houses? It was "small scale" compared to what happened in Indonesia more recently, but it still happened. Don't remember reading about it in any history book though.

[liwei_jay]

Politics..
something which i hate to involve myself in..
but recently i must say Malaysia's politic is getting worser and worser..
imagine an ex-PM who's suppose to back and support your current PM
BUT it isn't in the true fact.. rather.. stabbed him at the front and back..

just because the ex PM's baby project which is losing money is being stopped and held back..

anyways..
like what most of you said..
who r we to decide who's right and who's wrong..
since we only knw what is being posted in the newspaper..
BUT i must say.. nowadays.. M'sia security is getting worser and worser..
somehow.. nowadays.. i felt insecure when i'm travelling on the road.. even it's daytime..

as abt history..
sighs.. what past is past... ppl should learn from the past and not to repeat of the past.. i'm worried.. that curfew and what happened during the May 13th might happen again.. if the law in M'sia continues to fail..

VUns..
i thiink what you were referring to..

Wasn't there a riot or something in which the Malays destroy Chinese businesses and houses? It was "small scale" compared to what happened in Indonesia more recently, but it still happened. Don't remember reading about it in any history book though.

Was the May 13th incident?? which happened during the 60s if i'm not wrong.. cuz my mum who was a little during that time.. used to tell me alot of what happened during that time.. how bad things were...

gah.. but those were history.. :bleh:
just hope that Pak Lah will do a good job with M'sia

Honestly.. i really prefer him as the PM.. but unfortunately ppl just aren't backing him enough..
with the police force.. misusing their powers and all.. :?

[wanie_jay]

wow..the politics..
i used to get away with this issue, there is just too many things that we don't know....
but, what kamceng said about that special right is true. the malay originally owned the land b4 the chinese and the indian came, so, giving away some of what you owned in the first place to others is not something that anybody can do. it take a lot of hard work to persuade the malays to actually say yes to the whole quota thing....some of the older malays can't even talk about this issue, because it was too sensitive...you guys understand what i'm trying to convey here?

and please, it's not like it only happen here. the malays in the singapore too face these situation. remember about the little girl going to her school with tudung but then was expelled because she refused to take the tudung off?
that's what i'm talking about....

this issue about special rights is technically very sensitive, so, let's just not talk about it, shall we?

[EricOng]

As much as I hate this,
Still need to say la.

Have anyone of you heard of this land was discovered by Chinese at first?
Its more or less the year Chinese discovered America. (1424 i think).
But it is still a big question mark on it now.

Anyways, like vunsin has mentioned, yeah, I've no doubt the Ministry Of Education edited the content of the real history themselves. For instance, have you guys heard about the "Legend Of Hang Tuah?"
He was later discovered by the government that he was not a Malay and therefore, textbooks now has never has his biography. During my time in primary schools, I do study Kajian Tempatan and they do have some history in it mainly about "Kesultanan Melayu Melaka" where Hang Tuah and Tun Perak was kind of popular. But not now, they were hiding the true identity of Hang Tuah. Previously, our government assumed that Hang Tuah was a Malay of his famous quote:

Takkan Melayu Hilang Di Dunia

[wanie_jay]

As much as I hate this,
Still need to say la.
Have anyone of you heard of this land was discovered by Chinese at first?
Its more or less the year Chinese discovered America. (1424 i think).
But it is still a big question mark on it now.
Anyways, like vunsin has mentioned, yeah, I've no doubt the Ministry Of Education edited the content of the real history themselves. For instance, have you guys heard about the "Legend Of Hang Tuah?"
He was later discovered by the government that he was not a Malay and therefore, textbooks now has never has his biography. During my time in primary schools, I do study Kajian Tempatan and they do have some history in it mainly about "Kesultanan Melayu Melaka" where Hang Tuah and Tun Perak was kind of popular. But not now, they were hiding the true identity of Hang Tuah. Previously, our government assumed that Hang Tuah was a Malay of his famous quote:
ust z

erm..that's not politics, and what's up with that quote? it's true, malays are not just in malaysia...there's malays in brunei and all over the world..
is it just me or i do smell some racism in here?

[kamceng]

eric, i understanding what are you trying to say, but what are your points actually? and you eventually questioned the malay history. and can you tell me where did you get the information that hang tuah is not a malay? you know, during the Kesultanan Melayu Melaka, the malacca government is very wide, including indonesia and brunei. so, the indonesians and bruneis are considered as malay, too...
and that things happened about 500 years ago. so we barely knew the truth. let just stick to what we believe...

and can we stop talking about the malay-chinese thing? i'm feeling kinda awkward thinking about that stuff....

[vunsin]

Yeah... we're supposed to be talking about politics. Sure, almost everything can be related to politics, but let's steer the focus away from racial discrimination, especially regarding the historical "facts" that none of us could prove.

[ocy]

Vunsin jie, may I add few more things to your comment?

While I may not coincide with some of the opinions being presented here, regarding historical facts especially, I do however, agree that there are many things unknown to us, or perhaps hidden from us. Furthermore, I agree that each of us holds dearly, a set of believes and opinions that have being deemed as our own truth. But that truth may not coincide with others as the truth, as our believes and opinions greatly differs from each other. Our own truth, comes from our own experiences, learnings, observations, perspectives etc.

So, when dealing with any source of information, critical thinking should be involved, as I had fail to perceive that it (critical thinking) is within some of you. Facts (the statistics especially) without any source of origin (or any citing information), should be regarded as highly inreliable. Cross-referencing is also another good pratice, as it can be of aid to us in forming our own truth.

Now, comes the question, if we're brave enough to accept our new found truth as 'the truth', and let go of our 'old truth', even if it hurts? If yes, then certainly we'll find 'the truth'. If no, then perhaps we'll continue to live inside an illusion?

Lastly, may I kindly advise that we left our emotions and ego behind, if we wish to have a serious discussion in here, for our emotions often hinders us from thinking rationally. Or if this were to be a light discussion, perhaps we can be more relaxed in our discussion. If we all share the same thought of having a respectful and peaceful environment for discussion, then please do be respectful and treat others the way as you want to be treated :)

With that, hopefully, there will less tension in here.


Now back to the topic, do we really understand how politics works, as least basically? I mean, I'm not too fond of it, that's why I hardly know the workings, is there a "Politics for dummies" book out there? >.<

[andantino]

actaully i hate to talk about this topic.

because i admit that i'm quite a racist person. ;(
not all but most of them becase they gave me very bad impression.
sorry but no offence. i still have different colour skins buddies.

why am i saying this? because mostly politicians are none chinese..
yada yada... i think you guys will get what i mean.
huru hara lar..

and actaully if we critic about all these.. are we allowed to?
like is this a sensitive issue.? sorry i'm not so sure about this.

[wanie_jay]

i thought that the racist thing is over...

ok, so, like ocy said, let's be rational and open our mind and talk about this....
so much has been said about the special rights and how it's being biased and stuff like that...

i only have this to say, this whole special right things are the things that keep us united as a nation. malays are sensitive about their rights because they felt that compared to others, they work so hard to gain independence. i'm not saying that non malay don't contribute to independence, but, how many actually among them really show some support? (most of the non malays end up becoming communist)

these rights that belong to malays are our form of respect, just imagine if there is no such thing as qouta? there might be the second May 13 incident. the main objective here is to form stability and equality economically and academically among all malaysians....not just malays.

i had many friends from different races, i'm not being racist, i'm being realistic.
it's something that you can't change, because it's the rules

and, please, it's not like the government never listen to the non-malay. if there were not sensitive, then how come chinese and indians are allowed to join MRSM and matriculation now? there used to be no such thing b4, but,now it changed. and shouldn't you guys be thankful for the credit system now?

please...open up and absorb...
i hope this is the last time, we'll ever need to clarify on this issue...

[vunsin]

ocy and wanie_jay have both made some very good points. Just be rational and open-minded, and use critical thinking.

Unfortunately, when talking about politics, it's hard not to involve the issue of race. This is because, usually, one racial group dominates the political scene in most countries. What we do NOT want to do is blame each other for anything that's not going right. Just remember that while some racial groups may have more privileges than ours do, not everyone from those groups is a bad person.

Anyhow, let's try to stick to politics as much as possible. As I've said in my very first post, let's respect one another. If anyone ever feels uncomfortable with whatever discussion that's going on, please don't hesitate to voice your discomfort.

[kamceng]

yeah, vunsin is right...
now let's go back to mahathir and pak lah's topic....
hope you guys can give any opinion about them....
who is a better ruler? i hope there's no mahathir or pak lah's follower here....

for me, as a ruler, i think i prefer mahathir more. i don't really like him but i really respect him in terms of wisdom, though he sometimes misused his power...
i mean, mahathir sees things differently than normal leaders.....
my elders said that he's able to see how malaysia will be in 10 or 20 years time....
look at how much progresses he made for malaysia...
with him, we're able to produce our own cars...
and putrajaya is also inspired by him...

here are the list of progresses during mahathir's time...

-the North-South Highway, which has cut transport times in half on the west coast of Malaysia;
-the Multimedia Super Corridor, a flagship project based on Silicon Valley designed to enable Malaysia's foray into information technology (it includes Malaysia's new administrative capital Putrajaya);
Port of Tanjung Pelepas;
-the glittering Kuala Lumpur International Airport (KLIA) in Sepang, and an adjacent Formula One circuit;
-the Bakun Dam, meant to supply all of the electricity needs of the East Malaysian states of Sabah and Sarawak and which has enough capacity to enable exportation of power to Brunei. The project has since run into various difficulties and controversies, leading to at first, its cancellation and then its revival as a greatly scaled down project.
-Olympic-class stadium in Bukit Jalil; and
-the Petronas Twin Towers, the tallest twin towers in the world, and the world's tallest building from 1997 to 2003, that have become symbolic of modern Malaysia.
source-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahathir

we are able to make more economic progresses during mahathir's time...
after i read those lists, i realised how much has mahathir done to malaysia. because of him, malaysia is known worlwide. that's why he's still very powerful now.

but we can't also forget pak lah. he has done quite amazing things to malaysia, too....
these are the things that pak lah has done for malaysia...

Since coming into power as prime minister, Abdullah has promised to clamp down on corruption, giving more power to anti-corruption agencies and making it easier for the public to reveal corrupt practices to the authorities. He has also arrested several public figures from the Mahathir era on charges of corruption, a move which was widely applauded by the public. He has advocated an interpretation of Islam known as Islam Hadhari, which maintains that Islam and economic and technological development are not incompatible. Apart from that, his administration has been emphasizing a revival of the Malaysian agricultural sector.


Abdullah Badawi with George W. BushIn the eleventh 2004 general election, Abdullah's first election as the incumbent prime minister, he delivered a stunning victory for his party's coalition Barisan Nasional (of which UMNO is the dominant party) by winning 198 out of 220 seats in parliament, and wrested control of the Terengganu state government back from the Islamist opposition Islamic Party of Malaysia (PAS), as well as coming close to capturing the traditional PAS stronghold of Kelantan. The victory was widely regarded as an approval of his vision of moderate Islam over religious fundamentalism, and support for his anti-corruption policies.

In September 2004, upon his release from prison, Anwar Ibrahim, the former deputy prime minister jailed since 1999 by former Prime Minister Mahathir bin Mohamad, publicly credited Abdullah for not interfering with the judiciary's overturning of his sodomy conviction.

On September 10, 2004, Abdullah, as finance minister, tabled his maiden budget, which is seen by the public as being more consolidation and maintenance-oriented as opposed to the growth policies emphasised by Mahathir.

Abdullah is also known for stressing on Malaysia's internal security, after witnessing an increase in corruptive practices, such as bribery in the police force.

Abdullah is unofficially known in Malay circles in Malaysia as Pak Lah (Malay diminutive for "Uncle Abdullah"). The Malaysian government has issued a statement that the prime minister should not be referred to by this nickname in official articles and in newsprint; however, the nickname is still used informally. In fact, Abdullah himself often uses the nickname to refer to himself in public gatherings.

Abdullah is also the chairman of the Non-Aligned Movement and the Organization of Islamic Conference, and has held both positions since he became prime minister. As of 2005, he is also the chairman of ASEAN.
source-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi#Premiership

sorry if this is too long. but anyway, feel free to give any opinion.....

[vunsin]

Anti-corruption. Yeah... You know, this reminds me of my passport renewal process last year. It was painless! Thanks to the new government. It used to take months! I was only able to be in Malaysia for 3 weeks and I had to get a new IC, renew my passport, and apply for a new visa. Thank goodness for the new government!

By the way, whatever happened to/with Anwar? There were some rumors going on that Mahathir framed him because they had differences in opinions or something like that. I was shocked when he went to prison.

[kamceng]

yeah, anwar ibrahim. politics in malaysia is never perfect without him. hehe, just kidding. i am very interested in anwar's case....

vunsin, as you are currently in usa, i don't think you know that anwar was already released from prison last year. but i already mentioned it in previous post, right? okay, nevermind...

i don't really think anwar is guilty, seriously. though i'm only a secondary schoolgirl, but my grandpa is some kind of a minor politician in his district. and he did talk a lot about anwar to my dad and i overheard him. mahathir put him to jail by the reason he's gay, and he's practising sodomy ( a sexual activities between two men). i mean, anwar already has a wonderful kind wife and 6 kids that time. what's the reason he would do something like that. even if mahathir really hates him, but can't he give a better charge other than sodomy...

edit- mahathir and anwar first fought about the financial problem in malaysia back in 1997....

anyway, after he was released from prison, he has been touring the lecture circuit around the world since his release in 2004. he's doing the almost same thing as mahathir is doing now. mahathir is also actively giving speeches around the world....

mahathir and anwar are two conterversial and charismatic figures in the worlds of politics. though they are still out of the world of politics now, but they still have uncountable numbers of followers with them. anwar is not allowed to be involved in politics by the government until 14 april 2008, so anwar might come back and shocks the world of politics once again....

mahathir is very powerful indeed. he can stab anyone he wants. first anwar, then pak lah. anyway, i got all the informations from wikipedia.com. you guys can visit the site if you guys wanna know more about this.....

[vunsin]

Actually, sodomy means anal intercourse. So it's not necessarily between two men.

And while I like going to Wikipedia to look up random stuff, but their "fact"s are not always 100% accurate. I found this disclaimer on their website:
Because Wikipedia is an all-volunteer project that anyone can edit, errors or omissions can and do creep in. This should be kept in mind when reading; the very nature of Wikipedia means it should not be trusted completely. Articles frequently contain citations of authoritative works where a reader can verify the information found.

Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Readers%27_FAQ

[kamceng]

vunsin-oh, really? sorry about that, didn't realise it...
yeah, we can't really trust the internet...
but the facts are interesting anyhow....

besides, we don't even know the truth in the world of politics...
you know, i've always been wondering how the politics world really are...
i mean, all the bribery and stuff.....
and all the pressures given by the government...
how do the politicians handle it?

[milkified]

To me, Pak Lah is the low profile kind and do things really quietly. While Dr. Mahathir is the brave kind. He dares to voice out his opinions even on sensitive issues.

I think the new system is very efficient. Now if you want to renew your MyKad you can go to Putrajaya to do it and you can get it on the same day. At least they've put in some efforts to it.

[vunsin]

Well, as I've mentioned before, you can't NOT play dirty and be in politics. You just can't survive. When it comes to who to vote for, I guess we'll just have to choose the lesser of the two evils. :tongue:

[wanie_jay]

yeah..that's true...
i don't trust things like a clean politics. there's always something that has been said and done that we know nothing about..
about anwar, it's been a while since the last time i heard of him

[vunsin]

Poor Anwar. I wonder what happened to him in prison. I always hear so many scary stories about prison life in the U.S. I wonder if it's the same in Malaysia.

[wanie_jay]

yeah. there's a lot of stories that i heard that he was beaten up, and there's also pics showing his bruised eyes, scary..
but, the, keadilan was formed, that party create such a commotion at that time...they keep yelling reformasi...wanting a change in the government organization...

[EricOng]

i only have this to say, this whole special right things are the things that keep us united as a nation. malays are sensitive about their rights because they felt that compared to others, they work so hard to gain independence. i'm not saying that non malay don't contribute to independence, but, how many actually among them really show some support? (most of the non malays end up becoming communist)

Well, could they really stand on their own without us?
No offence though.

and, please, it's not like the government never listen to the non-malay. if there were not sensitive, then how come chinese and indians are allowed to join MRSM and matriculation now? there used to be no such thing b4, but,now it changed. and shouldn't you guys be thankful for the credit system now?

Yeah, I've heard of that. My cousins applied for that. He has been rejected. 5 Non-Malays out of 100 is in the matriculation. Whats the ratio of that? 1:20.
In the end, he continued form 6.

[Donny]

yes, matriculatins hav 95% of malays and locals while chinese and indians hav 5% chance of joinin. its common. also, malays and locals hav the rights to choose wad courses they want, and all those "left overs" are for us lo. lets not complain bout it al, since we don really bother bout it anyway.

if u wan better education, and hav no $ to support, go to form 6 and get 4, and also get a band 6 for ur MUET. when the results come out, u'l be heading for SG with scholarships from NanYang or even ASEAN.

[EricOng]

its common. also, malays and locals hav the rights to choose wad courses they want, and all those "left overs" are for us lo. lets not complain bout it al, since we don really bother bout it anyway.

Who do you mean by by 'we' in that context?
Cause I don't really get you.
I mean, everyone of us are bothered with this, ain't we?

[Donny]

hmm... do u really wish to go to matriculations? well its not a bad thing, but... ok, i hav some things to tell u.

i hav 3 friends who juz came back after finishin matrix. after matrix, the "big G" will be sending to U. u don hav the choice to choose, wadever course tat u wan. all of them score 4. one of them got nutritions, while another got phramacy, there's another who got teachin (*maths, sec). at 1st glance, its a good thing, not tat bad, but if u go and think for a proper min, they arent happy bout it at all, coz non of them get wad they wan, and this is their future, sth they don expect!

another friend who'se in UPM (*score 3.6 in stpm) had a shock of her life. she took biologist, and she's the only stpm leaver, others... 8, is from matrix. they all scored 4 too. everyone's lookin down at her, gettin a 3.6 only. but when the 1st test went over, she's the only survivor, as all of the matrix students failed flat and changed courses immediately (*as if they can). this shows that matrix isnt tat great. so don be happy to be in matrix.

matrix is for malays and locals prepared by the big G as a shortcut for them. be lucky tat we hav a share of 5% to enter. i'd rather go form6 man.

here's wad i think: (*though this should be in the education thread)
if ur good in study, but no money to support, go for form6, its the best way as it provides better future. its the best road to go. y? if u score 4 and band6 in MUET, ur headin to SG wif wadever course u wan. if u don score well, u stil hav a chance to fight for public U though u wont hav choice la. do u know tat our malaysia's form6 stpm exam is of international standard? its the top 5 toughest exma in the world (*i duno whether the standard has dropped). the stpm cert is way better than a matrix cert. u can stil get jobs while only havin stpm cert.

y target matrix as u only hav 5% chance of entering, and your matrix cert is worthless (*companies hav no interest in lookin at it!) and u hav only a 50% (*mostly impossible) chance of gettin wad u wan (*mostly end up wif wad u don even know it is) when enterin U. it juz ruin ur future! totally worthless! yes, if u get a nutritionist, u'l get good pay if u work hard to understand it, but will u be pleased with it? its like blind shooting and hope for a bird to fall down and provide food for the rest of ur life!

[kamceng]

i thought we're done with this racism issue, but why somebody still brought it up?

yeah, what donny said is right. my mum once said to my brother that she would rather let him continue with STPM than matrix. stpm standards are actually much better than matrix standards.

anyway, this is the politics thread, right? so, let's just stick to it and continue with anwar's discussion...

[vunsin]

Speaking of political figures, who do you think have the potential to be our country's future leaders? Do you think a non-Malay will ever become a PM? I'm not trying to talk about racism here, but racial issues related to politics. Hope that's clear.

[milkified]

Who do you mean by by 'we' in that context?
Cause I don't really get you.
I mean, everyone of us are bothered with this, ain't we?
Not everyone. At least I'm not. Because that's not what the matriculation is for anyway. I mean, allow non-Malays to enter and excel. That's not their main objective. So, it's not weird at all.

i thought we're done with this racism issue, but why somebody still brought it up?
yeah, what donny said is right. my mum once said to my brother that she would rather let him continue with STPM than matrix. stpm standards are actually much better than matrix standards.
anyway, this is the politics thread, right? so, let's just stick to it and continue with anwar's discussion...
Don't worry Ruby. I think we can still discuss it as long as it's not too extreme. We're living in a multi-racial country so naturally these things do happen. But anyone please inform if the discussion offended you. And those who are discussing should always watch their words. :wink2:

Speaking of political figures, who do you think have the potential to be our country's future leaders? Do you think a non-Malay will ever become a PM? I'm not trying to talk about racism here, but racial issues related to politics. Hope that's clear.
I have no idea. I don't even know who's in and who's out. :sweat: But I think a non-Malay becoming our PM would be quite impossible. 0.0000000001%. Imagine what would happen if it does.

Anyone heard about the MIC election news? The man who won the deputy position was the one at my NS camp's closing ceremony. G. Palanivel. I didn't know he's that famous. :oops: I've never heard of his name before until the closing ceremony itself. In case you don't know who, here's a not-so-clear picture of him (the one in blue uniform) :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v198/dreamstarz/gpalanivel.jpg

[EricOng]

Speaking of political figures, who do you think have the potential to be our country's future leaders? Do you think a non-Malay will ever become a PM? I'm not trying to talk about racism here, but racial issues related to politics. Hope that's clear.

I doubt the Malays, cabinets, kings, sultans, and Yang di-Pertuan Agong will let a Non-Malay to rule Malaysia. Even if, theres only one Malay in Malaysia, the 'one' Malay shall rule Malaysia though he/she is useless.
Get what I mean?

[liwei_jay]

I doubt the Malays, cabinets, kings, sultans, and Yang di-Pertuan Agong will let a Non-Malay to rule Malaysia. Even if, theres only one Malay in Malaysia, the 'one' Malay shall rule Malaysia though he/she is useless.
Get what I mean?


Whoah.. :glug:
isn't that abit too harsh??
i do agree that the chances of non-malay ruling Malaysia is almost to NONE..
but nonetheless... don't you think what you're saying is abit harsh??

well.. no matter what..
ppl is forever changing.. so is visions and all..
who knws if one day this might really happen.. maybe not in any near distance future.. maybe during our great grand child period.. :whistle: (*if i ever have any) LOL..
steady all.. why getting all so HOT into all these discussion..
u knw.. ppl did says that it's a democratic country..
if you're really so unhappy with these stuff.. why don't write it to forums which r really useful?? and not :ranting: all about in here..

[EricOng]

Whoah.. :glug:
isn't that abit too harsh??
i do agree that the chances of non-malay ruling Malaysia is almost to NONE..
but nonetheless... don't you think what you're saying is abit harsh??

I thought I entered the word even if and though there.
Well, just forget what I say and it'll make life easier.

[vunsin]

Well, just forget what I say and it'll make life easier.
Geez... You think we're now in court and you're the judge telling members of the jury to forget/ignore what the witness has just said? :rolleyes: You can't just say one thing to people and then tell people to forget what you've said when they question what you've said! :rolleyes:

[DragonPrince]

I doubt the Malays, cabinets, kings, sultans, and Yang di-Pertuan Agong will let a Non-Malay to rule Malaysia. Even if, theres only one Malay in Malaysia, the 'one' Malay shall rule Malaysia though he/she is useless.
Get what I mean?


I don't get what you mean. You think Malays are stupid?! So, you think that Malays will let Malays rule even they found out that that individual does not have capability to rule? If you are talking about Kings, you should have known that, no matter which race it is, they only allow their own sons and daughters to rule. In that case, of course the belong to the same race, if not, its mixed. Now, we are not talking about that old system. We are talking about something else. Get the facts right. Is there a rule saying that only Malay in Malaysia can rule? This is not ruling, this is the Parliament, each minister there have their own % to vote for a certain decision, and its not up to someone, only one, to pass judgement.

Come on, please, this is disappointing. Disappointing to hear you say that.

[EricOng]

I don't get what you mean. You think Malays are stupid?! So, you think that Malays will let Malays rule even they found out that that individual does not have capability to rule? If you are talking about Kings, you should have known that, no matter which race it is, they only allow their own sons and daughters to rule. In that case, of course the belong to the same race, if not, its mixed. Now, we are not talking about that old system. We are talking about something else. Get the facts right. Is there a rule saying that only Malay in Malaysia can rule? This is not ruling, this is the Parliament, each minister there have their own % to vote for a certain decision, and its not up to someone, only one, to pass judgement.
Come on, please, this is disappointing. Disappointing to hear you say that.

I dont think you really knew the 'perlembagaan' system here, in Malaysia.
Malaysia ain't ruled by King. King has no rights for administrations.
Indeed, there is a fact that Malays wield the authority in the government.
In the parliament, 95% of them are Malays and Bumiputera.
And, there is over 70% of Malays+Bumis, so do you think who will be able to pass for the votes? :wink2:

[wanie_jay]

even tough DP is a singaporean, that doesn't mean that she know nothing about malaysia....i'm sure she knows what she's talking about....
and please, have some points and facts in your post...don't go around and talk like you knew history and the government organization so well...i wonderhow well will u do on your PMR, especially for your history paper...

[milkified]

I don't think you understand what she said, EricOng.

I don't get what you mean. You think Malays are stupid?! So, you think that Malays will let Malays rule even they found out that that individual does not have capability to rule? If you are talking about Kings, you should have known that, no matter which race it is, they only allow their own sons and daughters to rule. In that case, of course the belong to the same race, if not, its mixed. Now, we are not talking about that old system. We are talking about something else. Get the facts right. Is there a rule saying that only Malay in Malaysia can rule? This is not ruling, this is the Parliament, each minister there have their own % to vote for a certain decision, and its not up to someone, only one, to pass judgement.
Come on, please, this is disappointing. Disappointing to hear you say that.
Read between the lines.

[kamceng]

and one more thing, eric...

the malays won't be that stupid to let another useless malay to rule malaysia. we are not that crazy about powers. and malaysia is a democracy country, so, it's up to people's vote. if malaysians choose a non-malay to rule, then go ahead, be a minister. we, malays won't stop you cause we know you are capable to rule....
by the way, you're only 15 and in form 3. though age is not a factor in politics, but go study for your PMR which is only about 3 months ahead. then come back here and start to talk about this whole racism thingy...
and though racism is kinda a part of politics, but politics is not revolve about racisms only. and this thread is getting more uncomfortable, so can we move to other topics now?

[DragonPrince]

Eric, if you do not know what am I talking about...then, just don't comment. (I wanted to use harsher words. But I don't want to, to give you face.) Don't be a smartass for nothing.

If you think you are so smart, rule this piece of land all you want. See how people will treat you.

[vunsin]

Alright... this is what happens when people discuss politics or religions. :rolleyes: Differences in opinions... Misinformation... :rolleyes: So, please try to argue only about "facts" (you know, things that are as close to "facts" as possible) and let's not target a whole racial/ethnic group for something that a few individuals in power have done. :wink2:

[DragonPrince]

I search for information about Malaysian's laws, and I didn't find anything like what Eric says. Its very funny that he can rule out that Malays will let only themselves rule without hard,cold facts.

Eric, I know that you want to protect the interest of your own race. But, you know that the more you attack the other race, the more they will fight back? Like now, I comment about your opinion, you attacked me. If you are going to attack Malays with your hurtful comments, I don't think it will do anything good in terms of 'protecting your own kind'.

If you show people respect, more likely they will respect you too. Maybe you didn't think for a while that your comments are disturbing to some users here, thats why you continue to say what you want to say, and people are siding me instead. Because, I look at many sides to a situation.

People change, times change, government changes too. You will never know, they might allow more and more people of other races to come in, when it does, you might want to admit that you had wrong the government.

[wanie_jay]

*looking around*.......

so....erm, i hope everything's cool in here again...man, politics mean....look what it did to us..

anyway, i was wondering...since milkified mention about MIC's election, i was wondering about MCA...i don't really get about the "perebutan kuasa" that has been going on. it's an old issue, but, could someone please explain it to me...

and what's GERAKAN? is it a smaller party of MCA?

[Donny]

so i guess i missed the fun? ow... well, lets roll the dize again shall we? or everyone's been chilled wif it.

lol~ i wonder wad will happen to Eric if he were to live in Taiwan?

[milkified]

Hmmm, what has that question got to do with Malaysian politics? Lols.

[DragonPrince]

I think Taiwanese are more fierce and aggressive. Maybe Donny was trying to say that if Eric trys to rule Taiwan, not only it will drive Jay to madness, it will get Eric killed. *kidding*

[Donny]

hehe~ im juz tryin to say that, how's Eric gonna survive in Taiwan with his tones, since Taiwan's politics r more aggresive, and i do mean very aggresive. if u did sth wrong, they'l pull u down. that's democracy!

k la, not in m`sia's politics, so not in our league to comment, anyway, wad system is m`sia's politics in again? i cant remember the term used. its sth like semi-democracy or sth. the royal family can keep to the tradition, but their authorities r stil limited. and the parliament also exist. its exactly like british's system. arh! cant remember the name.

[wanie_jay]

really? i didn't know that taiwanes e are more aggresive. i thought that they were all nice and good looking, just like our jay....erm am i being too naive here??

Donny-do you mean sistem Raja berpelembagaan? the Agong is the highest authority, but, his power is limited....something like that.

man, history..how i hate that subject b4....

[Donny]

i don really remember the BM term, actually, i don even know the BM term. coz i heard of that term while studyin "Malaysian Study:History Of Malaysia".

its like... some issues, the parliament muz hav the approval of the League of the Royal Family, like laws... but some issues can be directly approved by majority in parliament w/o the approval of the Royal Family.

[wanie_jay]

owh, yeah about that. i'm pretty sure that it's Raja berpelembagaan system. even the PM must get approval from the Agong b4 any new laws can be applied.

and talking bout Agong, my personal fave was Sultan from Perak. Sultan AzlaN Shah...he a handsome man, even with all that grey hair covering his head...

[Donny]

yep, some Agongs are kind ppl. like the Sultan of Selangor (*tat's wad i heard). but some Agongs (*ahem) are very arrogant. sigh...

yep, there's the legislative majistret or sth, and then there's the federal's. too confusing. forget liau la, as long as pass, don care! return to lecturer. haha!

[wanie_jay]

Sultan selangor? the recent one or the one that passed away. the one that passed away got a beautiful wife- Aishah..wonder what happen to her now??

Donny- no need to run to lecturer, coz it's not history.i'm a master when it comes to sleeping during history class. but luckily i got A1 for my SPM's history paper...

[Donny]

wow! A1 for spm's history!?! i don remember my scores. haha~ but my record is half and hour in the hall, and then come out, and it was moral paper (*opz, :offtopic:)

i think its the one tat passed away. not really remember. i ever heard ppl say that there was this agong who's very rich (*obviously!!!) but very kind. duno which one.

[wanie_jay]

i remember my scores because i don't expect that i'll be getting an A's for that paper. even my history teacher were shocked when she found out that i scored...

erm...the one that passed away was really nice. he always smiles...and that's just about it that i remember about him...hehehe...

[kamceng]

yeah, that sultan selangor, his name is sultan salahuddin, right? he died about 5 years ago if i'm not mistaken....
but well, i think he is the only Agong i like, and will ever like. don't know why but he looked kind...
nowadays, i think people looks at the royal family as the useless ones who always waste the government money....
i once had this chat with my friends, and they kinda have some close connections to the pahang royal family, and they said that the currently sultan pahang is the biggest spender. he always use the government's money for his own good...
but not all royals are like that. some royals pursued good education and be a government officer, like Raja Nazrin Shah, if you guys never heard of him, he's a prince from i-forgot-what royal families, and he is now a well respected education officer....

[Donny]

wow~ good infos u hav there. XD

yeah, i agree that its hard to differenciate between the wise and the crude. some officers really knows how to do publicity to increase his reps but behind, did many bad things.

remember the JB sultan (*very old news, back in Dr. M's era), who hit the maid with a golf club(*like liwei hit me wif a golf club XD)?

ya i think its kinda like 5 yrs ago, he got a very young wife, tat's wad i remember. :P

[wanie_jay]

yeah. some sultans like the Johor's are very well educated. tv3 used o have a short segments about him and his family. he got a really cute son!!! omigosh.....some royal blooded can be really attractive...

[Donny]

interested izit? :evil: *hehehehe*

well there's a no. of journalists who are married into the royal family, u can try going to interview into tv3's weather reporter. XD :offtopic: hahahaha!

[wanie_jay]

that's part of my intention actually, but don't possess such qualities....even norjuma were married to najib's bro....i just don't have enuf height....

[Donny]

*whisper* high heels!!! mascarla!!! spagetti!!! (*wait wait, no, not spagetti, hehe! tat's for me only...)

[wanie_jay]

*uhhh....interesting*
*rushing to mall to get mascara*
walla....i'm so ready to date any sultan's sons right now....:brows: :yeah: :bounce:
:offtopic:

[kamceng]

anyway,since this thread is kinda dead, so, let's keep it alive once again...

so, i'm sure you guys already know about the death of sultan pahang's younger sister, tengku puteri kamariah. she was stabbed by her own son,Tunku Rizal!! imagine that. her son was dead, too, a few hours after that, caused by drug overdose. the son also stabbed his own dad, but thankfully his dad is safe in the hospital now...

i'm not sure if this is about politics, but it is still something related to the government, i supposed. i personally think that it is really shameful for a member of the royal family to do such things. but even he was a royal or not, he was still a normal person. it must be really hard for the pahang royal family to accept this kind of incident. i mean, if you're the sultan of pahang, what will you feel if your own nephew killed your sister? i think the whole malaysia's royal families will be bashing him. what do you guys think?

[shinjay]

Kamceng seriously the news I'm quick blur about it also...cause the one who kill did not admit and then no proof right? If me... I will find out the truth and then do something to him lor.

Today I saw the newspaper... Tun Mahatir attack by something like pepper bullet (not sure what is that...just describe as pepper bullet) cause the newspaper said that Mahatir eyes very pain until his tear rushing out.
Lucky that is not bullet.

[lil~jo]

Mmm just thought I'd revive this thread...
The Malaysian politics is a hot topic at the moment.

Any of you lot keeping up with all of it?
or is interested in it?

haha....The countries around find it quite funny, yet some of it is disturbing.

[sabrina]

I really hate the politics in malaysia. The issues that are bickered about are so petty and usually are not in view of the current financial crisis. The discussions held are of no substance and no effort are put at repairing the situation. On top of that, this political nonsense is not doing any good to the economy one bit!

[BabyAngel]

indeed a disturbing things in malaysia now ~ no more long or somehow, something bad is gonna happen as many fights and crisis is always occured day by day ^^ dont know what damage or destruction will happened? 51 years of independence will be lost? no one knows that ~

[Petom JJ]

well i kinda lost track of political situation nowadays :oops: ~ this thread should have been livelier during the election days hehe

anyway i just hate how biased the mainstream medias could be~ the golden rule is to never believe anything came out from them *cough*