China reaches for space... And grabs it! :) [Archive]

Vant

09-28-2003, 08:18 AM

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20030926/cm_usatoday/11872029

Even though the link bashes China for having a communist government... It's the only one I could find related to China being the third country to have a man in space...

I for one am very proud and hope this could advance further... Maybe even catching up to US's NASA... This definitely shows the world that China isn't a poor 3rd world country...

Maybe this will show Taiwan what they are missing :)

Btw... This reporter sucks... Stay on the topic... We already know about China being communist...

Chun Li

09-29-2003, 05:59 AM

Hmm.

It hasn't been launched yet, so I think they should keep their pride to a minimum in case something happens. If they do not get someone in space, I dont think they will gain anymore respect from the rest of the world.

The point the reporter made about how success is measured not on warheads but on openess is pretty true. However, success and power does also depend on the warheads. The more you have, the more other countries are scared. The more they're scared, the more power you gain.

Anyway, I would have liked to hear more about the lauching of a man into space... he does seem to digress somewhat. It almost sounds like, "What China is Doing Wrong" should be the article title. I don't think it was poorly written, however. He also focuses on the negatives, so the article is also poorly balanced.

vashdestampede

10-09-2003, 09:14 AM

i guess the reporter is american¿
i guess he's against communism¿

not everyone's open-minded

oh well...just wait about 10 years when China becomes larger than america economically and then we'll see what they say about China

10-09-2003, 04:28 PM

oh well...just wait about 10 years when China becomes larger than america economically and then we'll see what they say about China

America's the most powerful nation right now, and has the most influence in the world

but that doesn't stop people from criticizing it, even its own people.

Chun Li

10-09-2003, 07:30 PM

They'll probably say, "Does sending a man into space make China any richer? Does sending a man into space give more food to the poor people? Does sending a man into space solve China's Human Right's issues?"

vashdestampede

10-10-2003, 10:15 AM

i think the only people brave enough to criticise the US are her enemies and herself

look at John Howard, our 'esteemed' leader...technically a mini-me of George Bush Jnr...except George Bush doesn't know who he is

Vant

10-10-2003, 09:40 PM

Actually many people do... It's just that America doesn't care...

10-11-2003, 05:00 AM

Chun Li

10-11-2003, 09:42 AM

You know how Chinese people are. Look that the expensive housing that popped up in Shanghai. It looks beautiful and is bound to impress anyone who sets their eyes on it. Yet, do people know that nobody lives in there?? The locals don't have the money to pay for it, and their aren't that many foreigners as they expected. So, it looks nice from the outside, but on the inside it's empty and losing money for a lot of investors.

Chinese mentality has shown a tendency to make things pretty on the outside so no one knows about the problems on the inside... in other words, "the value of face."

Another example is the SARS incident. How many months did China seem like a perfect country to the other countries, when they were really concealing evidence of an outbreak?

I can't help but think this is such a flaw, however, it's part of the culture you can't change it. And they won't change it either, because they don't see it from our "westernized" perspectives.

vashdestampede

10-13-2003, 01:14 PM

but that's the thing

because of SARS

China has opened up some of their 'restricted areas' such as health system and...stuff

maybe they are really considering opening up to economic trade....

Vant

10-14-2003, 01:16 AM

Another example is the SARS incident. How many months did China seem like a perfect country to the other countries, when they were really concealing evidence of an outbreak?

One thing people don't understand about SARs was the fact that is was a very VERY small disease (Infection wise)... And that it seemed like a regular sickness... China found out about it and tried to keep the public calm (Unlike those stupid people who happened to report it... And caused a bunch of retarded mask wearing)... But unfortunetely since the problem was so small (Like 100 people at that time? Not even sure if they had SARs or not) I guess china couldn't keep up with the slow spread...

You can't blame a country for not keeping track of it's billions of people...

10-14-2003, 01:35 AM

You can't blame a country for not keeping track of it's billions of people...

why can't you?

the government is there for a purpose, unless the government failed to serve its purpose, people can and will live in peace and security. Obviously, the government failed to serve its purpose.

just because there is no perfect government doesn't mean we shouldn't have high standards for people who supposedly rule over us.

vashdestampede

10-14-2003, 10:33 AM

welll....i think the people who sell surgical masks are happy...

Chun Li

10-14-2003, 11:28 PM

Lipstick sales declined.

Vash - China is already open to economic trade after they joined the WTO.

Vant

10-15-2003, 01:17 AM

One thing you must ask is... Can you do better? There are SOO many things we can't even begin to understand about government... Not to mention countless threats and fake threats to deal with... There's like a threat every single minute... Can you deal with that? Money is another issue... Would you waste a large portion of your already tight budget on some small threat that doesn't look big?

We're lucky we aren't living in anarchy... That would be horrible...

vashdestampede

10-15-2003, 08:59 AM

Chun-li: Yes....officially they are

but if you noticed how China initially refused to allow the WHO to deal with the SARS problem you'll see that they still are rather...clammed up

cowboy

10-17-2003, 04:33 AM

There are a lot of non-space issues being brought up in this forum. I'd just like say as an American, "Welcoime to the club China." I think it is awesome, the technology that a country gains from a space program is invaluable. Sure there is a pride issue involved here on the part of Juntao, but what the hell is wrong with that. China, as the largest country in the world, gets pissed on by the rest of the world. Ya'll should shpw the owrld you're outstanding. But there are intrisict economic, technological, societal, and political benefits to a space program. As far as China opening up, it's already started. In about 10-30 years we'll be saying, "Remember when China was communist?" Free market will be taking over China soon, and the CCCP won't be able to deal with it. Soon will follow a dissolution like we say in 1991 with the USSR.

Anyway, congratualtions China, and welcome to the club. Just try not to kick down the American flag when you get to the moon.

steiffelephant

10-23-2003, 05:31 AM

i was reading an editorial and the author was criticizing china for sending a man into space because the americans have been sending unman-ed (is that how you spell it?) spacecraft for a long time...

and sending the guy in a space shuttle is the epitome of centralism and autocracy cuz the guy inside can't navigate it and everything is controlled on earth.

kanetix

10-23-2003, 05:41 AM

seriously though

not a lot of nations have the American time to criticize China and take it as the butt of their afternoon tea jokes

only the enemies would care to do that

but as Vant said, America has ceased to care...there's bound to be jealousy around...or what have you

but really...China should be spending that money on other things...what are they trying to prove? their technology is more advanced? more superior? maybe someday they'll lock the moon up in a cage and use that as a threat to the rest of the world.

China needs it cuz in case stupid bush decides china is the axis of evil and tries to bomb it theres a way the people can be saved - by sending them to space.

See China does care about its people, unlike the US who tries to murder everyone and always makes stupid excuses. "ohh its for peace! ohh theyve got nukes! ohh they kill they're own people! ohh we hafto bomb them right away!"

cowboy

10-23-2003, 05:46 AM

Excuse me, I don't think this is an America bashing forum. Start a new thread if you want to do that.

God Bless the USA :bleh:

10-23-2003, 05:49 AM

that's one perspective, unfortunately a very misguided and extreme one.

China is stepping closer and closer to becoming a major world power as well as having potential to wage war against the United States one day.

watch it, watch the kingdom come.

edit - directed towards two posts above mine

vashdestampede

10-23-2003, 08:37 AM

hmmm...seems like all the radical ideas are coming from guys...=)

all the girls are too open mouthed from too many boy bands coming out from asia =)

China's already a superpower...it's just having a break

10-23-2003, 06:28 PM

world power is appropriate, superpower is pushing it.

one day...when China is powerful enough technologically and economically...and decides America is on the axis of evil, rather, planning against it...lmao

it'd be funny

Vant

10-24-2003, 03:17 AM

China is stepping closer and closer to becoming a major world power as well as having potential to wage war against the United States one day.

It already is a major world power... Aside from the corruption of the government... Imagine a world without China... *Shudders*

If China wasn't a world power... Why would US's attempts on controlling it fail?

IE- Trying to make the Chinese yuan worth more for the better of US alone? Note that China just ignored this...

Getting involved with Taiwan? (Ooh... That's a real annoyance for China) Yet China still points it's weapons at Taiwan...

cowboy

10-24-2003, 03:27 AM

Uh, the US gave up on trying to "control" China a long long time ago. China's destiny is entirely in the hands of this new generation that is pushing China out of it's archaic command economy and embracing capitalism.

China is certainlly a world power, Vant (with over 1 billion people, the largest military, and 3rd largest nuclear arsenal it's hard not to be,) however it is not until China can completely overhaul it's economy that it can compete with the US enough to be a "super"power. But don't worry all you Chinese faithful, America's day in the sun is drawing to an end, and China and the European Union are on thier way up. God save Taiwan should that happen.

NikeSwooshIn

10-24-2003, 03:55 AM

we are all just sitting back and letting china get stronger and stronger. we didnt even get into china and investigate the SARS, by we i means american, europe and all the other big places. i am taiwanese but i live in the US, china should stop trying to take over taiwan and get on with it.

10-24-2003, 04:44 AM

vant i'm amazed at your ability to constantly look beyond the point, only to completely miss it even when its glaring in your eyes.

China may be a world power, and it is...if you've read anything i've been writing, i believe China is a world power, but does it compare to the United States right now?

...meh...there's only a certain level pride will take you, it doesn't take you to the skies. in fact, more often than not it plunges you deep into the earth.

you might want to drop your whole "Taiwan is a nuisance" creed temporarily here on a Taiwanese artist's forum populated by Taiwanese people. we respect your country, and we don't attack it or your ideals from a personal point of view, but your constant aptness to step over that boundary is about to bring a sudden and unexpected change to that preordained flow.

if the whole attitude of china is based upon one individual, that is...you, it is obvious even to the oblivious which rejects the other more, and who holds more resentment towards the other. China or Taiwan.

cowboy

10-24-2003, 04:52 AM

Amen, Jo! Let's all just kick back a little. Life is to short tobicker about these things. USA, China, Taiwan.......who cares? We're all human, and more alike than we are different. So hug your neighbor and tip your waiter, for it's the small things that make life great.

Let's just say "Congrats China, hope you have fun in space," and leave the future up to fate and live for the moment.

There's enough love for everyone, just let it flow.

Vant

10-24-2003, 06:00 AM

China may be a world power, and it is...if you've read anything i've been writing, i believe China is a world power, but does it compare to the United States right now?

...meh...there's only a certain level pride will take you, it doesn't take you to the skies. in fact, more often than not it plunges you deep into the earth.

you might want to drop your whole "Taiwan is a nuisance" creed temporarily here on a Taiwanese artist's forum populated by Taiwanese people. we respect your country, and we don't attack it or your ideals from a personal point of view, but your constant aptness to step over that boundary is about to bring a sudden and unexpected change to that preordained flow.

if the whole attitude of china is based upon one individual, that is...you, it is obvious even to the oblivious which rejects the other more, and who holds more resentment towards the other. China or Taiwan.

Yes China does compare with the US... More then you can imagine... Aside from the major foreign involvements that US loves to endure... Care to tell me why you think US is a better country?

And when I said Getting involved with Taiwan? (Ooh... That's a real annoyance for China) Yet China still points it's weapons at Taiwan... I meant US involvement into foreign affairs... What gave you the idea that I directed any hate towards Taiwan? Many of my friends are Taiwanese...

God save Taiwan should that happen.
Save Taiwan from China? Do you think China wants to ruin Taiwan in any way? lol...

10-24-2003, 06:44 AM

meh.

the only person who's imagining anything would probably be you. China isn't even the world's second most economically or technologically powerful nation yet, watch that flashing pride.

vashdestampede

10-24-2003, 10:32 AM

Imagine a world without China... *Shudders*

do you know what that means¿

everything will at least double in price!!!!!!

everything that's made in CHINA (that's technically everything) won't exist!!!!!!!

oh my god...where am i going to get all my cheap stuff¿¿¿

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Chun Li

10-25-2003, 05:56 PM

Well that's something to be concerned about, since if there was no China there would be no Chinese people, and no US. Anyways.

China is a worldpower, but not yet a "super power" so to speak. America still has more highly advanced military weapons, and though China struggles to catch up, financial problems within her own borders of billions of people will drain her savings.

The people here have no idea about "world power" or "world issues." Like the youth of Japan, many of them are caught in their own little bubble. Some of them have no money to even travel to another city. Their mindset is not of a country that is a "super power."

Well, I guess that's debatable, since the US is a "superpower" with dumbasses living everywhere. However, I suppose the difference is that the people in the US have a CHANCE to go elsewhere.
(But again, doesn't it make it even more unacceptable that some Americans don't, and aren't interested in being overseas?) Ah well.

10-25-2003, 06:28 PM

The people here have no idea about "world power" or "world issues." Like the youth of Japan, many of them are caught in their own little bubble.

very true.

no offense to Chinese people in general, but after decades of media censorship and centuries of propaganda, it would be hard for any nation, regardless of size, to distinguish and filter out the falsehood from the truth. what a lot of people don't realize is that they are...ironically (not relative of religious issues), blindly worshipping and exulting their own nation without knowing what's causing problems within the government, economy or being aware that there is any problem at all. it is important to see the own faults of your nation, as it is to see a fault in your own character. without looking into the deep, dark side...there is no room and no hope for improvement.

it doesn't matter how much fluff you put into your descriptions of yourself, or how much gold you paint onto the surface of your patriotism. at the end of the day, after the wind and rain blow and wash upon that dilapidated foundation of your belief...it will erode and fall apart, no matter how much you try protecting it. its better to be honest about whats wrong. if its broken, fix it.

POTO

12-05-2005, 10:56 AM

Hooray! Congratulations to all the chinese ppl celebrating out there. i am really impressed at the advancements of technology in china within such a short period of time, isn't that incredible!

Melvin

12-16-2005, 08:41 AM

josh_yth

12-17-2005, 09:20 PM

oops.. the space article isn't there any more.. has been quite a long time.. 09-28-2003, 02:18 PM.. lol thats more than two years back.. guess yahoo doesn't archive its news...
well i think that space exploration is not something that they should invest too heavily upon... not when you have such a vast population that is considered to be a third world country.

here's a link for the news of China second manned space mission,which is like a month and a half ago.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=1347636&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
well, it's actually a new about ppl in China celebrating their accomplishment, but it still talk about the mission.

imho, i think the space mission will help to change china image from a third world country to a technological advanced nation.

here's another link to another new that talk about EU and China cooperating to develope a Galileo project, a system similar to the GPS system(will be independent from the US), and how EU start to take the advantage of China space manned program.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/gps-euro-05zh.html

scarletwillow

12-18-2005, 11:01 AM

countess

12-22-2005, 08:03 AM

Yeh, the whole Space Exploration thing is just something to "prove" to the other countries that China is "capable". As Chinese, we would know that "face" is extremely important in our culture and that's what the gov are trying to do...to give China a better image. But unfortunately, i don't think they are taking the right road..i agree that they should try to solve the internal problems like the poverty first, before they get to the more superficial things...it is in that way that China will be recognised as a "super power".