Racisms against Muslims?

[souLvamP]

The authorities are being really suspicious and racist to muslims. I mean you can be cautious but some people on the news are being killed accidentally because some police officers think they fit the description of a terrorist. My brother's, friend's dad was at the airport and just because he wore a turban and had dark skin he got like checked and stuff. If you compare it to my friend's aunt who looks really caucasian, she had a bag of knives from Egypt and no one checked her bags or nothing. People are shunning and discriminating anyone who "looks" like a terrorist. Not every Muslim is bad. It just isn't fair to the innocent people who get shot or are discriminated.

The war on Iraq shouldn't be happening. George Bush should fight on his own two feet. He doesn't have to drag innocent people and countries to settle something. Why does the war have to happen in Iraq? Why is it so convenient? Hell, I don't think Bush would like it if the war was on American soil. :-x

I feel really strongly about this so if you have anything to comment about, just post your thoughts and opinions.

[strandedjasmine]

in Australia..we are a very multicultural country...and we pride ourselves on it..but I will not stand for people who come here, feed on our support system and preach venegence against the very nation that gives them a home and feeds their children. As I see it, no one forces people to live in the country and if you want to come and live..then respect our rules and try to atleast adapt to our way of life...but there are groups who do refuse and seem to be hell bent on not wanting to respect our countries culture but rather want to change it to become like their home land...
I don't get it..if you don't like it here..why stay?? ..and there are those who come under refugee status and yet go back holidaying to their own country.....and this isn't after say 10 or so years when changes have occured..this is still when their own country is under the same system from which they fled... GO FIGURE... :profanit:

I do not have any issues against any race..for I have friends of all sorts of nationalities.....but I am against people who can not appreciate the beautiful country that I live in...and all that it has done for them...

[kasic_fantasy]

i'm a singaporean and you guys know, its multi racial here. seriously being a chinese, i do feel insecure with people of other races around.

seriously...most of the muslims here do make a fool of themselves. from what i see..i'm totally disgusted. the way they behave and their character is really very sucky. their 'no respects for others but only me' atittude is the most suckiest thing on Earth.

but still i know that not all muslims are like that. its just a few black sheeps among the whole herd. but its all the housekeeping matter. the muslims do need to understand why the hell people are judging them in that way. its not like everyone is biased. first impression always counts. it must be something in them or something they did make the world think that they are dangerous.

so its not just the world's fault. i do feel they do need some soul searchings and if possible, do some explanations and stuffs. i'm not against muslims but its just that they really have to do something bout themselves.


sorry if i offended any muslims here.

[fungi]

Racism against muslims? being Muslim is NOT a RACE. it is a RELIGION. the topic itself is wrong. i do know Chinese muslims and Indian muslims. you mean Malays don't you? i think the discussions are going off tangent as they discuss issues of Malays whereas the starter of this thread intended to talk about the Islamic religion, no? :?

[ker_ai_teresa]

Perhaps Discrimination against Muslims would be a more appropriate topic title.

It's sad the way we stereotype what a person with Islamic beliefs looks like, as fungi pointed out. In australia anyway, muslims are automatically associated with people from a lebanese background, and we don't stop to think that there are in fact chinese, indian, and etc, muslims. Perhaps the media is to blame for what they choose to show us.

Personally, yes I think it's very unfair to target those in the population who "look" like they follow islam, especially seeing that innocent individuals have had to pay for it with their lives. It's a sensitive issue because I can understand why the authorities are doing what they are doing - to stop possible terrorism from happening. However, I think that the authorities aren't the ones to blame for the injustice. It's the extremists who have made our world the way it is. The ones who are going around mass mudering innocent people, they are to blame for the unfortunate discrimination and scrutiny that society places on people with Islamic beliefs and those who look like they do.

[kasic_fantasy]

Racism against muslims? being Muslim is NOT a RACE. it is a RELIGION. the topic itself is wrong. i do know Chinese muslims and Indian muslims. you mean Malays don't you? i think the discussions are going off tangent as they discuss issues of Malays whereas the starter of this thread intended to talk about the Islamic religion, no? :?

opps sorry bout that. somehow i just cant stop linking both malays and muslims together. ok nvm...

but aye terrorist was started by islamic right? as in...they will kill those who are different from them. aye just wanted to get a few things right before i offend anyone.

[fungi]

terrorism has existed decades ago and does not only involve muslims. i'm not sure who the pioneer is, but there are definitely many more non muslim terrorists in many parts of this vast world. we just think more about muslims because they are in the news and media reports more often than any other and the spate of major terrorist attacks in the past few years has been conducted by muslims. but take note that these are the extremist muslims, not mere muslims. and it is the former that cast a plague over the general muslim community, leading many to associate islamism with terrorism.

NO religion in this world will ever teach you to kill. in my opinion, these muslim extremists are just distorting the teachings of the Koran to extenuate their evil deeds. i can't say i'm extremely familiar with the Koran but just like Christians want to be in heaven with God when they perish, Muslims ultimately hope to ascend to paradise and be with Allah, where wine and virgins are promised. and according to the Koran (correct me if i'm wrong) there are a couple of ways to do it. One is to visit Mecca at least once in the lifetime, and yet thats not sufficient, for one has to top it off by praying 5 times a day and fasting assiduously. basically doing everything required of a Muslim plus visiting Mecca. and the other faster way would be to fight in the name of God, which is otherwise known as Jihat or Holy War. and therefore, many of them say they are fighting in the name of God with these acts of terror.

FYI, terrorist do not kill those who are different from them. many suicide bombers have a sad story behind them. either they have been forced to do it by the syndicate, or they've been brainwashed. really, who enjoys killing his/herself just to get a few strangers killed? and bombing attacks, the purpose is to create fear and uncertainty in people, for fear is really the most powerful psychological weapon in this world. they create fear to obtain something that they want. some do it for political reasons or for some other purposes that we might not know of, but its definitely not to kill people who are mainly different.

i think terrorism is an extremely complicated issue that is just not what we see on the surface and we really should not ostracize all Islamic followers just because of a few extremists.

[sleepin'tom]

but aye terrorist was started by islamic right? as in...they will kill those who are different from them. aye just wanted to get a few things right before i offend anyone.

Terrorism was not started by the islamics but by those gutless wonders who use religion to cover their sinful intentions. :dry: Although i'm an atheist, I swear by Islam don't tell the muslims to bomb everyone they see. No religion does that.

[kasic_fantasy]

Terrorism was not started by the islamics but by those gutless wonders who use religion to cover their sinful intentions. :dry: Although i'm an atheist, I swear by Islam don't tell the muslims to bomb everyone they see. No religion does that.

of coz no religion does that...but i remember something bout 'they kill anyone who is different from them and pray to a different God'...

note that i'm not talking bout the whole islam or muslims.

[liwei_jay]

i seem to notice that this thread has run from racisms to discrimination..
and now it is what?? terrorism?? :hmm:
maybe it's the whole thing that is happening in Iraq that has all the ppl pointing fingers at muslims.. or maybe even islams..
i do agree wif fungi that terrorisms doesn't start by muslims... and irregardless of race.. there is terrorists out there.. who r none other than muslims.. it is juz that we might not heard of.. i do knw that there used to be communist.. which i think is also what others would call as terrorist.. but that was in the older days..

Back to the terrorists in Iraq..
we all knw that they are a islamic country so basically/majority most of the ppl who's in the terrorist will surely has to be islams..
take note that i'm not being racisms here.. juz being logical..
here's the best part.. have you ever tot that why they have been wanting to become terrorists?? or what makes them, behaves like one??
invasion of others country?? other race??
i believe they will never start a terrorism without a particular reason..
for all you see.. everytime the killing happens to OTHERS nationalities or races of ppl..
i do believe too..
that in Islam's Quran has said before.. it is a guilt to kill, smoke, drink, bets or whoring..
so it wouldn't be that it's they're religion which encourages them to kill..
so let's rule out that killin/terrorisms has anythin to do wif religions..
it is what i think tat's juz an excuse.. it is all in the human minds that they wanna kill..

okay... back to the topic of being discriminating against malays..
hmmm.. i do agree that although myself of being a malaysian (M'sia=country i'm born in)
i couldn't help but being a racist against malays..
all becuz of the priviellages they've set for themselves..
and always "putting their nose high up in the sky" as their much more
better and higher standard than us.. saying names on us..
and expecting us to tolerate wif their religions and belief BUT never took us into account..
aargghhh that is why i dun wan to stay in malaysia..
so i move over to s'pore..
which shows me another side of islams/malays..
which i would say it's eye-opening..
cuz they r not so strict to their religion..
and i would say that some are even ignorant to their own religion..
it does seems funny that what i knw bout their religion is MUCH more than wat they knw themselves.. -.-'
so can u imagine that...?? *shakin head*



i'm not trying to say all this to offend any malays or islams out there..
juz offering my two cents worth of opinion..

[crazygiggles13]

i think because of 9/11, many people think that all muslims are bad. but have you thought about what many of them had to get through? they've had to immagrate to countries other than their own to escape death from the taliban and everything, only to be hate by many cuz of something that other people did. and those ppl are mad..they're like extremists, and their religion doesnt even condone that kinda stuff. theyre victims too...

[kasic_fantasy]

i used to be a pure racist but i couldnt help feeling bad for the muslims...not all of them are bad actually its just a few black horse in them....

heh actually they are not that bad people..i have many muslims friends now and i feel that they are actually not that violented or bad.

[countess]

fungi

and the other faster way would be to fight in the name of God, which is otherwise known as Jihat or Holy War. and therefore, many of them say they are fighting in the name of God with these acts of terror.

Your are correct in everything else that you said about the Koran. I am not the most familiar with it either but i watched a documentary at school two days ago and the Muslims interviewed strongly objected to the Jihad as being a "Holy War". They emphasised the fact that being Muslim meant that you were peace loving and would not harm anyone or anything. The people who call terrorism a Jihad are only distorting the Koran, as it is a book open to various interpretation, these people, however are extremists and only a minority.

Before being educated about this issue, and especially after the terror attacks, i did have a sense of dislike towards Muslims. After tragedies, as humans we always tend to blame someone but now i realise that it is unfair to generalise and hate all Muslims, especially learning how opposite most of them are to the murderers we see behind the terrorism.

However, with the specific targeting of the Muslim population when it comes to safety issues, i believe the police and national security are just simply doing their jobs. Safety does come first, especially since the capture of "home grown terrorists" in Melbourne and Sydney the other day. It will be a hard time for innocent Muslims out there who are copping the insults and discrimination but it is something that they will have to endure. i remember 10-15 years ago, Australia was racist against Asians, we were spat at, sworn at and insulted, but time has passed and we have had to stand strong against it to get to the point we are at now.

I think if you still feel angry about Muslims, then i guess you have a right to be. However, if you feel that they are being treated wrongly and unfairly, maybe the best thing to do is to spread the word about what they really are, the truth about the majority of Muslims in your community and treat them the way you think they deserved to be treated.

[pop]

the authorities are just responding in a realistic way
what? we get 90% of terrorists work done by muslims and we call the authorities racists when they are just responding acordingly towards them like wat u and me will respond?

heck, if there is a question whether they are any racism going on against muslims and there are ppl denying it?
hell yes

wat about the responsibilities of the authorities 2 protect innocent lives by checking on wat they are supposed to check?
are they in the wrong 2 respond in a human way after reading several links of terrorism to muslims?
hell no!

i support racism? no but i don't think there is so strong a force to prevent tat from happening since it's a thoroughly natural way of responding 2 things

[KendoTiger]

Honestly, racial profiling is not only degrading, but edges the line when it comes to violating civil rights.

That doesn't mean it doesn't work. It's the sad, honest truth.

[jayluva1]

yes it is true some people are keeping a watchful eye on muslims or anyone with a turban or dark skin. i personally think it is wrong... i mean who wouldn't... the terrorists are usually from afgan. or iraq... most people just think that people that are usually from the midwest or southern asia are racist. i mean one of my friends is pakistan and where ever he goes people call him the terrorist... he is also against saddam and bin laden... (who isnt?) i myself is asian (UH DUH!) so i fight back for him and say "if you think that he is a terrorist he would be in jail by now... your nothing but a racist. if u feel better by being racist about people like him all you got to do is buy photo shop and stick saddam and bin laden's face on two naked bodies, print it out, and stick it on top of your ceiling and cuss all you want in your sleep..."

[Azns_Ang3l]

oh yea some people dont like muslims cause of what happened but not all people at the same those people that are hating and making fun of them well the're just racist people plus what happened here in 9/11 wasnt by muslims duh! lol

[chineseguyjl]

WHOA this is getting out of hand. i could fill up a page with my comments but basically its wrong. i mean its alright when close friends say it to each other as a funny comment, no harm meant or done. but it wasnt the muslims that were in 9/11, it was? guess, its a group in iraq. it starts with AL.... if you dont know, i feel sorry for you. racism in general is everywhere, and always active. this issue is basically the same when people are making fun of asian people, just on a different issue. If anyone says its ok, then i'm going to kick your @$$ or just do something bad or just debate more.

[Zainou]

chineseguyjl I agree with you that racism happens everywhere. Do you know it even happen in a normal school in Malaysia? There is a school where my ex-teacher is teaching. The chinese teachers are favouring the chinese students and they condemn other races students when they did something wrong. That is not all, the Malay teachers... err... no not them but the Ustazah is a racist! Can you imagine? A religious teacher being favourable only towards the malay students?? When the Indian students managed to get the top in most of the subjects and eventually one of the top students in the school, these teachers can't believe it! Bloody hell!! I hate this!

Yes! We are multi-racial and we are united. That is just what the people has been saying. Malaysia has united races.

Face the truth, you can hardly find some chinese, Indians, and malays gather and talk together. I hate to say that, I am very easy going v my own race friends. This is due to my other race friends' attitude. When I am v my Indian friends. they talk in their language like hell I understand! Same goes to my chinese friends. Well, perhaps I am too boring to them dua to my quietness. Well, I think they should aware that... I AM ALIVE!

[POTO]

In S'pore, we are multi-racial and ever since I was young, i have been taught to respect the other races. I think that the muslims are great people and are really talented as well so i really hope that this kind of racism will end here.

Pointing fingers at others are not very nice. Terrorists are just an excuse being make up to oppressed the muslim community and this is very WRONG! If we want to fight off the REAL terrorists, we have got to stay united as one and stop questioning abt others credibility.

All of us should learn to live together in harmony, no one is a one man's island. We will all need each other help someday.

[leejt]

yewh i truly believe what u say, authorities shouldnt go around shooting ppl who look or resemble an appearance of a a terrorist, they should atleast be 100% its them then shoot but noone can be sure 100% i guess, so maybe do a check on them and ask them questions etc before doing so in hand..
no innocent should be gunned down or seacrhed if yeh they wear a turban or they are dark coloured skinned, dusnt mean they can go and do their thing.. lols, they probelry just wanna feel another man. lol

[wanie_jay]

NO basically doing everything required of a Muslim plus visiting Mecca. and the other faster way would be to fight in the name of God, which is otherwise known as Jihat or Holy War. and therefore, many of them say they are fighting in the name of God with these acts of terror.


i have something to say bout this...
really, why do people always think that muslims go for jihad, because it is a requirement? jihad is the final solution, or shall i say, final method to protect Islam. when u have people saying, or doing, or hurting ur family, what would u feel? are u just going to watch him/her die in front of ur eyes? war never was a way for muslims, it never was a way of life for any religion in this world...

somehow, can't others try to figure out why muslims especially those in afghan n iran/iraq bombed places....they were protecting themselves, they were trying to save their lives. and since when, protecting and surviving becomes a sin? only fools would just die without even try to protect themselves......

[aquila]

wanie_jay, why don't you elaborate on your post?

personally, i must say, i am a little prejudiced to muslim-resembling people, especially on the subways and buses in nyc. whenever i'm heading home from work, i get queasy just seeing a suspicious looking muslim man/woman with their hands in their pockets.

and to tell the truth, i don't think you can blame me, nor anyone else for that matter, who thinks this way.

stereotypes are stereotypes, but they are also stereotypes for a reason. sure, maybe only 5% of the population is bad and out for blood, but that 5% is enough to make me wary of the rest of the 95%.

[sagara0510]

i have something to say bout this...
really, why do people always think that muslims go for jihad, because it is a requirement? jihad is the final solution, or shall i say, final method to protect Islam. when u have people saying, or doing, or hurting ur family, what would u feel? are u just going to watch him/her die in front of ur eyes? war never was a way for muslims, it never was a way of life for any religion in this world...
somehow, can't others try to figure out why muslims especially those in afghan n iran/iraq bombed places....they were protecting themselves, they were trying to save their lives. and since when, protecting and surviving becomes a sin? only fools would just die without even try to protect themselves......

valid points you have there.

now picture 2 airplanes filled with innocent people taken over by terrorists and being flown into the twin towers of NYC and justify your points to that scenario

[Ch3l3nk]

I have no issues with ppl from any race.. but i think after the twin tower attack in America, ppl tend to see muslims as terrorists.. sadly.. it is true.. i mean.. if u ask yourselves, how many whites compared to muslim-looking ppl have done suicide bombings? The answer is easy.. so faar I can recall no whites do suicide bombings based on their religion. You hardly see like.. Christians do suicide bombings.. I know that not ALL muslims are bad.. I have plenty of great muslim friends.. it's just that the bad ones stand out more and ppl tend to make generalisation... This argument can go on for years and some ppl will still be racist.. against anyone. generalisation about a race provokes racism...

[filet]

it's just that the bad ones stand out more and ppl tend to make generalisation... This argument can go on for years and some ppl will still be racist.. against anyone. generalisation about a race provokes racism...
i totally agree with this.
but thank god i live in a multi-racial country, though not everyone truly know in and out of the other's religion, yet respect , caring, sensitive towards other help us being a better citizen in multi-racial country.

[xiaohei88]

Okay.. Im a muslims here.. both muslim and a malay....

I live in Singapore.. and Singapore is known to be a racial harmony country.. we all were taught and brought up to respect other people beliefs and culture and tradition...

I believe the whole against muslim things started due to the terrorist attacks.. i assure you people.. What i've learnt during my religion classes is not about killing innocent people... we believe in making peace with Christians.. Hindis.. Jews.. we bring no harm to anyone.. we were always told we should respect one another and all..

Those who uses the name of Islam for bad doing... they are not making the religion proud of them..they think they are.. but they are not..they bring so much shame to us muslims.. and in the end is us who suffers.. its just not fair.. i really hope that there is a stop to this terrorism.. cause just one stupid group who just uses the name Islam wrongly.. get us all to be discriminated by others..

[kamceng]

i'm a muslim, too....
i never experienced any discrimination as i live in malaysia
where Islam is the major religion...
but i'm also very worried about the discriminations happenig to muslims
all around the world.....
when people say that they dislikes muslims, i felt quite sad....
cause doesn't that means they dislikes me, too?:worry:
why does people always pointed out muslims as terrorists??
well, some of the muslims do bombs and stuff....
but the population of the people doing that is sure much much lesser than
the population of muslims being bullied by bigger powers....
for as example, if two muslims bomb a place which only kills two military soldiers, then the military(which is from 'bigger powers') will fight back
by bombing the hospital who placed a lot of muslims citizens who were getting treatment, either oldies or children, they don't really care....
they just bomb the hospital by the reason they suspect there are terrorist in it........
they not even sure, they just suspect it......
but they still bomb it.....
and this is exactly what happened in Iraq.....
this thing happened not only once, but a lot of times....

ever heard of Palestine??
if you haven't heard of it.....
then you have no rights to say that muslims are terrorists.....
Palestine experiences worse than Iraq does.....
in Palestine, the Israel soldiers can kill any Palestinians they want to......
without any reasons.....
they can shoot whoever muslims they want to......
they can attack any house they want to.....
they even attack a house owned by a single mother with 3 children.....
they even disallowed for muslims to pray at the mosque(building to do prayer)
Palestinians have to fight for their own land......
each of the muslims in the world right now are in fear facing the world's discrimination and feeling towards them.....
if some people say that they're afraid of muslims cause they're terrorist or whatever......
then think what the muslims feels??
imagine how will you feel when the whole world is looking at you as terrorist....
muslims being judged as terrorist especially from middle east just because they're actually trying to protect themselves from the world that is becoming worse and worse.....
if they don't do that, they'll die.....
how many options does they have??

and about the terrorist....
do you think they really want to be a terrorist when they were small??
i honestly think that they wanna grow up being a doctor, lawyer and stuff....
but imagine if your whole family is killed in front of you.....
your whole family is being bombed in front of you.....
what will you feel??
of course you want to seek revenge, right?
i'm not supporting the terrorist, i even hate them.....
they just making Islam looks bad.....
even revenge is actually a forbidden thing in islam....

i'm just saying that we shouldn't really judged something
before we really know what happened....

finally, PEACE TO ALL!!!!!

well, that's all i guess. sorry if this is too harsh.:happy:
just sharing my opinion......
hopes this doesn't offence anybody......

[lil~jo]

Well,
I believe that the discrimination against the muslims is bad...
infact against any religion it is bad.
Well, we live in a world where there is a lot of discrimination, sadly it can not be avoided.
The thing is, the muslims did take it so serious, even when someone made a video of muslim women, the person who made the video was decapitated, and he was a white guy.
Its just an opinion, the video made no harm, and if they didnt want it shown they should have just avoided it.
But because they took this revengeful action....the whole world has seen the video. Because we wanted to. We wouldnt have known about the video in the first place if the muslims didnt take action against the guy who made the video.

I think, if we're discriminated against....anyone who is discriminated against...should just ignore. I mean the person who is discriminating against us don't know who we are, and even if one of our race, culture or religion is bad....NOT all of us are bad...
The problem with society is that people clump us all together and stereotyping...its bad...
and leads to serious and dangerous situations.

Well, I'm up for WORLD PEACE!....*impossible as it may sound, and cheeeesy* :wink2:
hehe

[xiaohei88]

I'm so glad that there are people out there does not discriminate the Muslims.. be it Jews or the Christian.. I would like to thank you all.. Thank you for understanding..

But my fellow friends.. but saying wont be enough sometimes.. we must make others aware about this situation... all of us.. catholics..muslims.. hindi or jews.. or budhist.. all of us must come together.. be friends with another.. then there.. we can have world peace..

To those who are against us muslims.. i hope that you could understand the position that we(the other muslims) are in.. we are the scapegoats.. cause just one wrong use of the name Islam.. got us hated by millions.. we dont ask for sympathy.. we ask for your understanding thats all..


Thank you so much for understanding..

[yingyi]

I live in Indonesia, which is the country who has the most Muslims in the world. And I tell you, not all of them are bad. Yeah there's some Muslims who do jihad. They think they'll get eternal glory when they kill people. The more people they kill, the more glory they get. This is the most extreme one.

I watched Oprah today and there's a Christian who lived in the middle of Muslim Community for 30 days. He had to behave like a Muslims, he couldnt be in the same room with a woman who's not his wife, he had to go down to the streets and ask people to sign 'Muslims arent bad' thingy petition. Muslims in US are treated badly, they have to be responsible for something they didnt do. And thats so unfair.