The King of Pop vs The Asia King of Pop - Would you still stand by Jay ?

[ene]

If you have not been under a rock, I'm sure you would have read of Michael Jackson being accused of being a child molester. Read here (http://sg.news.yahoo.com/050604/1/3stx0.html) if you have no idea what I'm talking about.

Reading the above article got me thinking. Jay is currently the Asian King of Pop, or so claims Time magazine Asia (http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/501030303/story.html). Jay has been referred to as the Michael Jackson of the East.

My question is : Down the road, if Jay gets an accusation akin to the above (assuming that they came from credible sources and not some stupid alien-spotting supermarket tabloid), would you still stand by Jay ? There are tons of "I will love Jay forever" declarations on this site but would you *really* still think of him as a demi-God and stand by him fiercely ?

Please don't post "I will always stand by Jay. I love Jay. He will not do that", etc. etc. Please post with credible reasoning since this IS the "mature" thread.

Personally, I love his music and talents and do not go into hyper-girl fan mode (not all the time anyway) so I'd probably still listen to his music and all. Depending on the extend of his "crime", I guess I would still be supporting his music.

What would you do ? How would you think ?

[ftlouiea]

This IS the "mature" thread

Love that. :bleh:

Well, even if those accusations did come from credible sources, I wouldn't turn against him right at that second. Until the day the jury finds him guilty, he's still an innocent man in the face of the law.

And anyway, I don't lurve Jay as a person. Well... just a tad bit but not the I want your babies kind of love. :shifty: I admire his ability to compose so well (having tried myself) and sing in his own style and such. And shoot, if he really is guilty, it doesn't make him a bad musician. Taking this out of context but, footballers may be drunkards, man-whores and bad family men, but it doesn't take away their skills as a footballer. They still get the professional admiration. Going back to this, I'm buying his CDs, not his person. I don't care what person he is, who's he dating, whether he's a loser, just GIVE ME THE MUSIC!

[b^la]

I agree with ftlouiea! There was once a time when i was crazy about jay as a person but i've gotten over that now and I admire him for his music above everything else ^^ although, if he really did what michael jackson did, i think that i would be shocked for a while but then as long as i still like his music, i would still support his music. I won't support him as a person if he does become a child molester though- that's just twisted ><

I don't really know what i think about the michael jackson case though because there's always the possibility that people are trying to get money off him...

[sundae]

hmm i'm a biG fan of jay...but if he was ever accused of something like child molestation and it turned out to be truth (icK) i don't think i could bring myself to listen to his music anymore no matter how good it is at the back of my mind it will always be like...did he reaLLy do that??

lucky we don't have to worry bout that pHEw

[jayx8318x]

If Jay was convicted as a child molester, hell no I wouldn't still support him or his music. That's basically saying, here's my money, keep doing what you're doing, of course I mean musically, but if I was in Jay's shoes, I would think "My fans are still supporting me despite what I have done, what I did must not have been so bad after all, after I get out of PRISON, I can continue to write music." PUH-LEASE.

I know you have to separate Jay the person from Jay the entertainer. Along the lines of his romantic and personal family life, as long as he's not breaking the law or acting socially irresponsible in any way, I don't care. But if a celebrity I like started molesting children, raping women, murdering people, sorry but if you STILL support entertainers that do things like that, citing "well I'm supporting his music, not him" you may need to be a little more prudent where you're throwing your money and support towards.

There is also a difference between supporting and listening imo :rolleyes:

Will I support his music? No
Will I listen to it? Yes

[pianochic250]

mature thread. hehe. very funny idk why, anyways

if jay REALLY happend to be a child molester and it turned out to be true, even though i love him and all now but if the accusations are true and stuff then NO WAY will i still support him! that's just wrong and icky!!!!! but that's of course saying supporting him as a person, but even though a child molester, he might be still you know, musically talented and still creat good songs.

so what i think i will do is just download his songs "illegally" from somewhere :shifty: and listen to it, but do not support anything else he does and etc. because you know, that's NOT RIGHT! and i don't wanna waste my money by "supporting" some creep that molest little children.

in other worlds i agree with our dear jayx8318x. listen to his music, but not support it.

did i make much sense? idk. i seem to kinda confuse myself also... :worry:

[HarmonyCloud]

wow I don't know what I would do...I would feel guilty listening to his music and knowing that somethig like that is true...I would have a hard time, since I believe people put a little bit of themselves in their music, I just don't think I could go on listening to him knowing that he did something like that...I hope I don't have to be put in that situation

[epiphany]

Jay seems like a very individualistic person, so Jay the person and Jay the composer is the same. He lives for the music, and the music is himself, so if he were to do something socially irresponsible like child molestation and it's true, then I will no longer listen or support his music. Everyone has their faults and we can't expect a person to be perfect in all aspects, but being a celebrity does not give them an excuse to act irresponsibly. We can't use the excuse that...as a person, he's bad, but as an entertainer, he's good..and we can forgive him for that and continue to support his music.

And listening is supporting...there is no difference because music is nothing if there is no audience. It doesn't matter if you don't buy his music..if u listening to them, you're still part of the audience that help bring his music alive. To say listening to the music and not supporting it is like an oxymoron.

[junnleenfaah]

And listening is supporting...there is no difference because music is nothing if there is no audience. It doesn't matter if you don't buy his music..if u listening to them, you're still part of the audience that help bring his music alive. To say listening to the music and not supporting it is like an oxymoron.

hmm yeah.. thats what i was about to say. i'm not really comprehending on how you can listen to his music but then not support it.. because if you're listening to it, then arent you supporting it? please unconfuse me.. thanks (=

anyway, my stand on it is i guess different from most of y'alls. i would still support his music and listen and all that despite him being guilty of whatever charge, the only thing different is that i would think he's a sick man. i mean, likewise with the michael jackson trial, i think he's disgusting [if he really is guilty] but i still applaud him for his amazing talents, so i'd still continue to support him. and same would go for jay. i may not have the same respect for him as a person if he was ever found guilty of something cruel, but as far as his music goes, he's got a lot of talent, and i'd respect him for his talent, not his personality. but then again, his personality is shown through his music.. but who knows what kinda music he'll put out if stuff like that [ref. to if he was on trial or something] ever happened to him..

[KendoTiger]

I could definitely support him as a musician ~ after all, I would still love the music, despite his possible sick actions. You can't say that financial support is the only means of supporting a musician. The time and enjoyment you get out of the music, the very fact that you still love the music means that you support him. I really love the music more than anything else ~ that and my respect for the man that can compose it.

Honestly, I still like Micheal Jackson's musical ability and his past songs, and on some of them, I would pay money for a copy ~ despite believing he really is a perv...

[ene]

Hmm...very interesting views here, I must say. I guess I started this thread because I got myself into a dilemma just thinking about it. On one hand, it would be so wrong to support him if it was proven that he's indeed a rather sick man. But on the other, I do love his music. So where do I draw that line ? Do I support him or not ? Do I continue to buy/listen to his music ?

On hindsight, I'd probably find it hard to listen to his music without thinking "gawd, he's a perv. :sick:"

[scarletwillow]

Ene, I think most of the fangirls here would love to be molested by that man.
I mean, I would.
Mmm.

[ene]

Ene, I think most of the fangirls here would love to be molested by that man.
I mean, I would.
Mmm.
*LOL* I guess you're right. Hm......that makes this thread pointless then, I guess ? *shrugs*

:D

[KendoTiger]

It would be like, extremely disgusting if he like, molested boys instead of girls though...

[junnleenfaah]

well obviously.. i mean what boy would want to get molested by a perverted man? only a disturbed child would.

OMG, eww.. i'm trying to picture jay molesting a little boy.. DONT PICTURE IT!! ITS GROSS!!

aggghhh.. what am i doing to myself )=

*looks at GQ cover picture of jay*
okay.. all better now (=

[hisashiluv14]

Honestly? Probably not. When you look up to someone or admire a person's talent, you do so with the comfortable knowledge that he's not morally-repugnant. I mean, if you found out that a principal whom you respect is having an affair with someone twenty years younger than him, would you still respect him as much or would you be at least a little bit disillusioned?

It's the same with Jielun. I don't think I can ever listen to him the same way anymore if such a thing ever happened to him. I like him clean and nice and respectful and diao. :-)

Just for the record though, I don't believe Michael Jackson is guilty. =)

[ene]

Er, some of you are obviously not even answering the question here. Please scroll back to Page 1 to have a read what this whole discussion is about.

I repeat, MATURE THREAD for MATURE POSTS AND REPLIES ONLY.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[macdawn]

ene, this is a can of worms you are opening here... :worry: but since you already state this ia a mature thread :whistle:

Frankly, if Jay was accused of the crime, I think I may still stand by him. I mean, a person should be innocent until found guilty, and the media and public should not make their own judgement based on he-say-she-say.

But, if Jay is convicted of some serious crimes, let's say of child molestation, I would agree with Karen, and I think I would not buy his music anymore, as this will give the wrong impression I support his actions. And I happened to be the kind, if I don't like, I will not even listen to his music, because I will only be reminded of his actions. Imagine listening to him crooning love songs, I dread to think if he was thinking of those children when he wrote them *shudder*

Now, if Jay is convicted of crimes, like beating reporters :whistle: or speeding, that I might be able to close on eye and still support him. I understand that artistes are constantly under public eye, and if they reached a boiling point, and did something rash... Artistes are normal people, after all, I may be sympathetic still.

Let's hope, Jay can be as good and clean as he appears to be. :rolleyes:

-MacDawn

[trishee]

If Jay was accused of the same crime as Michael Jackson, Id say no.
If we connect this to the current situation with Michael J where evidence is present and screaming "Child Molester!" I would not support him.
Yeah sure I like his style of music but I will definitely have a strong sense of guilt while listening to his music, and that isnt a good feeling.

Before all this started, I believe Michael was an idol to many. I mean we see teen sensations today saying that they got into dancing because of Michael Jackson. But after news of his luring kids into Neverland broke out, Im sure his fanbase decreased. I have to admit I liked his music before but now its just ---not as good as before--

If this happened to be Jay Id probably think more highly of him than of Michael considering Jay is my favorite right now and Jay's music wouldnt be so important as it is now.
I mean think of listening to the musical work of a serial killer...but thats a different story.

Long story short, no.

[Irixz]

Mmm a good question, i still belive that micheal jackson is a musical genius no matter the crimes against him, cause his music isnt tied to his private life. i think if these alligations agains him turn out to be true, i think i would still buy his music (if i like it that is) however i would idolise him, like i did as a child.

I think its the same with jay chou, a very talented artist, but like i said before music has nothing to do with the person creating it. i'm not one of those fan girls that belive that those songs are written for me. the lyrics maybe beautiful and may heal me at my lowest times.
But if such alligations end up being true, i wouldnt idolise him.
i dont idolise him now so it actully wouldnt make such a difference in my life ^_^;;

[Onigiri]

Now, if Jay is convicted of crimes, like beating reporters :whistle: or speeding, that I might be able to close on eye and still support him. I understand that artistes are constantly under public eye, and if they reached a boiling point, and did something rash... Artistes are normal people, after all, I may be sympathetic still.


I agree, I think if Jay is convicted of this type of crime then I can still support him because it is human nature to express emotions and being stressed to the point to beat up reporters, speeding etc shows us that Jay is human after all. Though I think he has alot more patience to withstand this sort of pressure. It's also sort of like Nicholas Tse, I think he's been convicted of crimes relating to speeding and driving? I like Nicholas Tse's music and due to his convictions with the law, it has not changed my perspective on him (only that hes been tainted a "bad boy" :excited: )

But the crime of child molestation is a different situation. Unlike the crimes stated above, its not really within human nature or our emotions to express yourself through molesting children unless you were seriously really sick or twisted. I seriously don't know how to react to whether I would support him or not, though I'ddefinitely feel different listening to his music. Especially if you knew he had the thought to molestering children you couldn't help wondering if there were subliminal messages within his song?

[ene]

I think it's not a matter of idolisation. My dilemma is : Would you still support him as a musician by listening to his music, buying his cds, watching his movies at the theatre, etc ? I find it hard to decide if I could still support Jay (I'm not a crazed fan girl as well, btw) music wise if he was really convicted (not accused, mind you) of something henious.

[Irina]

Oh,interesting opinion u have!
Michael Jackson music is not for me,yeah a lot of people support him,but I adore Jay,his music and individuality and always will support him no matter what will happen in his private life.Actually in my heart Jays music rules he is nowadays most known in Asia and someday he will become world king of pop!Go on Zhou Jie Lun,world is waiting for u!

[hisashiluv14]

I think its the same with jay chou, a very talented artist, but like i said before music has nothing to do with the person creating it. i'm not one of those fan girls that belive that those songs are written for me. the lyrics maybe beautiful and may heal me at my lowest times.





I don't agree that music and the musician's personal life are kept separate. It probably seems that way since Jielun doesn't always get personal in his songs (only a few exceptions come to mind, namely Ti Tian and Zhi Zhan Zhi Shang, as well as Wai Po), but music is a form of art. Like all art, it has elements of its creator's personality and idiosyncracies, be they good or bad.

But anyway, I think I idolise Jielun to a certain extent...okay, not 'idolise', but I do admire him and I respect him for being a genius and all. He's elevated to a certain degree in my mind. So hypothetically, if Jielun were to be convicted on child molestation, I'd be immensely disappointed in him and that will stop me from buying his CDs. On the other hand, I don't care much for Michael Jackson (to be honest, his newer stuff really, really suck) and I don't admire him half as much as I admire Jielun. Hence, I'd still be able to listen to his music without his legal problems getting in the way.

Does this make sense? I guess my point is basically this: If you're a partial, neutral listener, such a scandal probably wouldn't stop you from continue to buy the singer's CDs. But if you're a major fan and you have the excess emotional baggage of certain expectations of the singer (like I do re. Jielun), then it'd definitely be difficult to listen to him the same way as before.

[Merriana]

well i will support jay as long as he makes good music... :D
coz you can't resist a good song... :wink2:
every artist have their darkest past...like 50 cents that was former drug dealer...
if they have a great song then their past won't stop me buying their CDs... :excited:

[liliceprincess]

for me i have to say that it would stand for jay until the final decision of the jury cause i cannot reallie be sure that something being accused is true...but then i would say i would stand for jay for the music and everything else...because standing up for him or not does not mean that they music has to be ignored....whether he was accused something like that it does not mean the the person put a decision on the music and how it is....as a musician i would always support him...as in personally it all depends on the jury and their decision and would it be something typical or reallie serious

[_eLlE-]

Well for me.. I dun look at Jay as a person . I look at Jay's talent! The way he play and compose music! So if he does get convict maybe i will stand.. but it all depend on the music..

[Shin-i-chiro]

uhhm...tricky question...u see...When Michael Jackson was imprisoned, i do not feel disgusted when i hear his songs or watch his movie... i like Jay songs and the way he made his songs. That's all... What happened to him will not affect my interest in his music. i will still continue to listen to his songs...and write his songs if he still has any... :happy:

[ene]

Well, it looks like Michael has been cleared of all charges. I haven't been following the news but down in my heart, I find it a little hard to believe that he's all that innocent.

Then again, there's another thread discussing it so go over there.

I guess it's hard to decide if you can still support Jay if something similar happens but for now, I guess we can just be happy being fan girls :wink2:

[poorlostsoul]

firstly let me just say: jay will NOT do something like this. IF he's been said to do it they are RUMORS anyway.

Ok now even if it's true that jay might be responsible for something like this it wouldnt really affect me because as long as he keeps making wonderful songs like he does, then i will always listen to his music no matter what he's been said to do. Everyone is different and might need personal privacy and i respect that and i'm not going to turn against him just because of something he DID, thats got nothing to do with his continuation of good music making.

[ene]

firstly let me just say: jay will NOT do something like this. IF he's been said to do it they are RUMORS anyway.
That is a v strong statement to make. I'm not saying that Jay will do it. I'm just painting a scenerio of "what if". Did MJ fans ever guess that he would be accused of such a crime ? I think not.

[junnleenfaah]

agreed with ene, every artists have their flaws and yes, it would be REALLY shocking if jay was accused of this but everything and anything could happen. but michael jackson has always been a sketchy character to me from the beginning.. and i also agree that it's hard to believe that he's completely innocent. i just have this feeling that he did something wrong. i can't put a finger on what he did wrong but its just kind of a vibe? because not very often do you find a single man in his 40s who enjoys little boys to sleep with him. he's unique though, i must say. but i guess i'm glad he's a free man.. i guess.

[masterxkae]

The king of pop as in MICHAEL JACKSON? Phstt. Jay chou all the wayy!!!Michael jackson scares me... and I don't like his music... whereas JAY CHOu.. mangggggg like I can look through pictures of him all night. HAhahahAh yah, JAY CHOU ALL THE WAYYYYYyy

[snow_drops]

if jay was found guilty of molesting children, i would not support him or his music. i guess i would still listen to his music, but i would not buy his cds. i don't want to support a person who fondles children...a part of a singer's fame is built on their reputation, and if jay was found molesting children, i'm sure his popularity would drop and so would his album sales.

and as for michael jackson, i still think he's guilty. i never liked him from the beginning, but honestly, no sane adult would like to sleep with little boys in the same bed

[ViBi]

Love that. :bleh:

Well, even if those accusations did come from credible sources, I wouldn't turn against him right at that second. Until the day the jury finds him guilty, he's still an innocent man in the face of the law.

And anyway, I don't lurve Jay as a person. Well... just a tad bit but not the I want your babies kind of love. :shifty: I admire his ability to compose so well (having tried myself) and sing in his own style and such. And shoot, if he really is guilty, it doesn't make him a bad musician. Taking this out of context but, footballers may be drunkards, man-whores and bad family men, but it doesn't take away their skills as a footballer. They still get the professional admiration. Going back to this, I'm buying his CDs, not his person. I don't care what person he is, who's he dating, whether he's a loser, just GIVE ME THE MUSIC!


wah.. that is the greatest thing i have read for a long while....omg.. i think you have written out my argument perfectly...there are sooooo many ppl who idolise jay... its kind of a "sick" idolisation... jay will never be perfect but as long as his music stays the way it is.. thats enough for me... i mean, if i do get the chance to marry him.. hahha fine.. why not?? :bleh: but hey.. if i dont, i wont be dying and itd still be jay and his music..

[midori]

Until the day the jury finds him guilty, he's still an innocent man in the face of the law.


Too bad he won't be tried in the United States' judicial court, huh?

[JaYzAnGel4eva]

Jay has been referred to as the Michael Jackson of the East? did they really say that? isnt that like bad?
anways..

If Jay really DID do that...then...um..well i am obcessed about Jay Chou b/c he rocks my world but, i would look at him as a differnt (perverted) person but i would still listen to his music. :happy: i tink he rocks and is very talented. but *ok im confused*. everyone has their mistakes. so im NOT saying its ok to do but i wont hate Jay but be like damn he messed up, but i tink he would learn frum his mistakes. BUT THERE IS A SMALL CHANCE HE WOULD DO THAT. rit?

MJ fans are weird no offence...hes like black but is white and creepy :wacko:

I LUrV JAY CHOU! i will support him forevr (his music and talent)! and teach that big boy a lesson if he does bad stuff :happy:

[x_La_paix_De_Lame_x]

If he was going through a trail like Jackson I think we should totally look at the facts...like is he sleepin with boys in bed..(unchaproned.). or like anything strange...but it was true. and like all signs pointed it out that he was a perv.

I doubt I'd listen to him...no matter...how sweet...and nice...and beautiful his music is..

it's just plain not right...to pay and support someone who does something like that.

[bonbon]

Yes, i would still stand by Jay even if he is like MJ, which is not true, because it's his talent, not his personality that i love. I would sure have a different picture of Jay IF he did such a thing, but he never will, 'cause he clearly loves WOMEN, so i'd never have to worry about that.

[liwei_jay]

o_O...
it is really silly to ask such a question..
when we all knw Jay is NORMAL and won't go to such extent..
anyway.. he doesn't seem to be like a freako like MJ also... :glug:
whoever who thinks out this question is......
i dunno.. silly>??

[Helix]

well....personally...i didnt think michael jackson did it in the first place....and jay!? is very hard to say...i think it does depends when this happens...like...when it happend to michael...he was alrdy very very old...and he didnt hav as much fans as he used to have....mayb..IF his really happens to jay....he probably be too old to hav as much fans as he has now...some...will keep in beliving jay is not that kind of person and stand by his side...some would just not like him and hate him for life....but for me....i think it truely depends on the evidence....just liek michael..i belived that he is innocent because of the insufficiant evidence...

well..in conclusion...if he's case was exactly like michael jackson....i would definately stand by his side...just liek how i belived michael jackson didnt do it....thx for the thread...it is sumthing worth thinking about.....

[evilangel91]

hmm..depends on how credible i think he is..it could always be tabloids who wana make sum money or the real thing ..i mean i don't know know jay for all i no he could be some (gasp no! :glug: ) evil person out in the industry jus for the money and fame etc..but i would stick by jay until they say he's guilty and why..but i would still prob listen to him since his music would still be great even if he wasn't ..hmm this post is makin me hurt thinkin bout our jay like that :oops: ..heh :wink2:

[kamui]

i would because i know he'd never do such a thing. in fact i'm pretty sure that no asian in the world that famous would go and molest a kid

[mrazfan4ever]

Yea....I'm not a realy crazy crazy fan like some I've seen *cough**cough* lol. But I love Jay's talents and if I saw him winding down the road of Jackson, I'm sure I and many others would write to Jay and tell him it's wrong! And if he doesn't respond, and still like Michael Jackson denies the accusations and continues it, plus paid the kid's parents off...then yes, I would be very disappointed. I would therefore not support Jay. I am NOT going to spend my time and money on someone who hurts others....especially little children!

So I'm crossing my fingers. Jay will not go down the same road as Jackson.

[zhoudaoyan]

Well.. it is a hard question..
but even though i AM crazy over him. and would faint anytime for him lol.
i actually WOULD turn against him if such thing ever happened. of course.. if it was found out to be untrue at the end. i would TOTALLY kill myself for doing it. but really. if it DID happen. i would totally not support Jay. because i think that any man who can do this sort of crime really isnt worth treasuring. and even though it breaks my heart if i had to part from Jay's music one day..

:cries: haha

lets hope that day never comes and i can continue being head over heels crazy in loveeee with Jay

[mercurialvapor24]

it is so difficult to judge from our(the fans') point of view. even with the michael jackson case, the kobe case, etc etc, we only recieve information second hand, through possibly biased sources. i would say that these celebrities are innocent until proven guilty, unless there is crystal clear evidence against them and they are let off (OJ style).

[karyn531]

I've said this so many times I'm getting tired of it... no matter who Jay's opponent is, I'll support him!!

I respect Michael Jackson, but I support Jay. No question about that!! Plus, I don't think there any possibility that Jay would ever be accused of a crime like that. Sounds highly impossible. Of puching reporters, maybe, hahaha. But of molesting a kid? Nah. No way.

[darkangeldori00]

i would stand by jay still. but i probably would probably be cautious upon meeting him but i would still love his songs and everything

[ene]

i would because i know he'd never do such a thing. in fact i'm pretty sure that no asian in the world that famous would go and molest a kid
This is such a sweeping statement. How would you know that "no asian in the world that famous" would never do anything that goes against the law ? Sheesh :rolleyes:

it is so difficult to judge from our(the fans') point of view. even with the michael jackson case, the kobe case, etc etc, we only recieve information second hand, through possibly biased sources. i would say that these celebrities are innocent until proven guilty, unless there is crystal clear evidence against them and they are let off (OJ style).
Well said. Unless we've met the man in person and actually know him, one can never judge his character based on what we see and read in the media. Most of the time, the real person is different from what is marketing through the media.

[pinkfireworks]

I highly doubt that something like this would happen... and even if it were, Jay is innoncent until proven guilty. But would it really become as bad as the Michael Jackson case? I don't think there could ever be a case like that. :oops:

I'm not really a obsessive Jay fan-girl... I got crazy over his music and occasionally go a bit hyper over him, but I'd never call myself his number one fan. :angel: I'd always love his music and admire him for his talent. :-) And I guess I'd just be disappointed that the person didn't match up to the music (IF he really did something like that :wacko: ).

[spax]

Hmm....I'm not a hyper fan of Jay but I enjoy listening to his songs and compositions. I admire his talent in producing great songs. Well, if this incident really happens, I might hate Jay for doing it. But music is music. I will still support his songs, not Jay himself.

I believe there are quite a number of artists who had committed crimes before, like Nicholas Tse who had caused a car accident several years ago and Su Yong Kang, also a Hong Kong artist, was suspected that he took drugs. Well, I rarely listen to their songs but IF I like their songs, I would support their songs, not the artists themselves. But I might hate them for committing crimes.

I also hate artists who smoke. Ayumi Hamasaki is rumoured to be one of them. If she really smokes, I would hate her for doing so. But I still support her music.

So I think it's just a difference between supporting the artists themselves and supporting their music, no matter how the artists commit crimes, what their bad habits are, or how popular they are, how good they are, etc. This is just my humble opinion and I hope that nobody gets offended. If so, I'm truly sorry for it.

[ene]

This is just my humble opinion and I hope that nobody gets offended. If so, I'm truly sorry for it.

For the last time, PLEASE STOP APOLOGISING FOR YOUR OPINIONS. Like I've said about a trillion times, this is a forum. Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts on various matters. There is NO NEED to constantly say sorry or worry that people will get offended AS LONG AS your views are expressed in a clear, concise, understandable and most importantly, MATURED manner.

[Pugwash]

Sure, I'd support him but, I wouldn't necessarily argue with other people's opinions either.

I just don't think there would be one crown to this position. I mean, there are a lot of people who really shook up the Asian market these past years i.e. Rain has special attributes to that are incomparable to Jay. But yes, Jay has done quite a number as well. He's gotten people in Thailand singing his songs and they're not even Mandarin!

Jay possesses incredible amounts of creativity and talent but, others do to in their own way.

[Ch3l3nk]

Errmm.. to start with.. i think Jay will never be a child molester.. he doesn't look brave enough to do so.. plus.. he is like a mummy's boy.. listening to what his mum says.. being all so nice.. I don't think any cheap accusation like that will rock my believe in Jay.. because he has proven himself lots of times.. facing the paparazis, the medias, the fans.. I think he has no bad image as a "freak" as Michael Jackson does.. so I do not think the same accusation on Jay will lead to as much controversy as Jackson's case..

Come to think about it.. this "What if.." question really makes u think but it's kinda silly.. since u know that the chance of it happening will be like 1 in a million.. lol

[Phil]

the meaning of "i like his music" and "i'm his fan, and he is my idol" are 2 totally differnet meaning things. The first, does not care at all about looks/personality/publicity/image. but the 2nd does. If you are gonna look up this person as your idol... like someone you want to look up to and use as guidance through life... that person will have to be decent, clean and someone that deserves 100% of your respect.

MJ blew it bad...

[phoebe]

i loved mj's songs that were made before he started turning " white " and looking like diana ross! loved his songs but never idolised him or any artsites then. even though he's looking so "different " and also being accused of child molestion , i do not hate him but actually pity him. i find him a sad figure - like elvis presley - trapped in his fame and fear . since the courts acquited him of child molestion , i will consider him as innocent . his current music is not to my taste so there's no delimma of supporting or listening to his music .
i like jay's music first and later like his personal behaviour ( or what is publicised ) too. maybe his personal behaviour increase my liking for his music as some of his music reflect his personality eg wai po , an jing .

if jay or any artistes or anybody is found guilty of the followings - rape , torture , drug dealings , murder , instigating criminal actions , larceny , crime against children and animals - i will condemn them . forget about how good their " output /product " . i will never knowing contribute towards such bastards.
finally and personally , i find it horrible that ppl will pay to read books by criminals who are not rependent but are profiting and also artistes whose songs instigate hatre and crime .

[mliza]

i'd be disappointed. but if he could still create good music, i'd definitely still listen to it. just that i would not go the extra mile to order his albums online or go abroad to watch his concerts. that's where i'll draw the line.

[cookielmy]

Well, I like Jay because of his music and talents that he has. If he's accused of being a child molester and proven guilty, I'll still listen to his songs but I won't go like "Jay is the best, he rocks!" or something like that and I won't go around the internet searching news of him,
What he does in his own fame world, I don't really care, all I want is his awesome songs that he sings.
But on the another side, Jay doesn't look like a person who would commit such serious crime. He's more like a mommy's boy :happy:
I still listen to MJ's songs now and then though.

[navlem]

I would not support him anymore

But i would regard him as one of the most talented singer/composer i have came acrossed

[rachel_meh]

if Jay ever become a molester or a raper (read:i didn't spell it wrongly, i meant, RAPE) or commit any other heinous crimes, i will not continue to support him, but i will probably continue to listen to his music.

i will also pity him and think that he just wasted his life away, i will probably not mine if he smokes, but i would hope he will take care of his health if he does.

i would also reckon that we have just lost a music prodigy :( one who can pen his true feelings as lyrics and write sensual music

in relation to MJ's issue, i do not exactly support him, but i think that it's really a waste. He is such a talented person. However, I still listen to his songs.

[angelofdevotion]

I like Jay for his talents. who he is.. or what is personality he has got, seperates from what talents he got...I know Jay as an entertainer like all of us do, but i do not know him as a person......so i shall say, Jay, no matter wht he did, I shall always know Jay as an entertainer... a musician with great talents..

It is his talents that is why i like him i admire him.... No matter what he does, no matter who is is with or what he wants, i respect his musical creative talent and what ever may happens, this respect for his talents would still be the same....

Yes.. this is what i really believe in...
I would still and always support Jay no matter wht it takes me to, also because he is the one who made me turn to listen what i call.. GREAT Asian music...and now... i am an Asian Music addict...

[josh_yth]

I wouldn't believe right away that he did it, since even the source might be making up all these to hurt jay. also, these thing doesn't really affect how jay make his music,so i wouldn't really care about any accusation of jay as long as he's keep making good music. i never really like jay's appearance, it's really his music that make me liked him. So after all, if jay will keep up with his good work in music, i'll keep buying his cd until he retire or stop writing song.

[jayfalc0n]

The thing that got me into Jay was his music first. I only got a crush on him after I understood and loved his music. I don't believe any rumors about Jay unless they are confirmed by Jay himself or his managing company. So unless Jay confessed any accusations of crime to be true HIMSELF, I wouldn't believe it and I wil still support him.
Even if it were true he did something wrong, but he still made good music that touched me? I would still support jay and buy his album.
I actually love Michael Jackson's old songs and even him in the Jackson 5. When he got accused of those crimes, I didn't like him as a person as much I used to, but I still admire the young, black Michael Jackson who made millions of fan swoon and sang with incredible talent from a young age.
So if I found out Jay wasn't a good person, i would be dissapointed and probably won't be so nuts about him, but I will still admire who he used to be, the image he first gave me , the good music he makes and the way he can reach out to people via that music. I will still buy his album. Jay has my support always!

[POTO]

Hello, how can u compare Jay with MJ, they are so different, regardless whether it is the style of their music, dancing, "relationships" and character...

Of course, I would choose Jay, or else why would i be here. JAY IS INCOMPARABLE!

[azn_babii_gurl]

Hello, how can u compare Jay with MJ, they are so different, regardless whether it is the style of their music, dancing, "relationships" and character...

i agree with POTO its impossible to compare MJ + Jay.. MJ was messed up since childhood.. the circumstances surrounding Jay + MJ's upbringing is completely different.. Jay will never be as messed up as MJ *hopefully*

but if it did happen.. + jay was guilty then i dont think i will stand by him.. i will be disgusted at his actions and why would i wanna pay to hear music from someone like that?

but then again even tho im disgusted with MJ i do still have some of his oldie songs in my pc.. :? damn this topic is tough.

[wil69]

I would not support any child molestor or sexual predator. Michael Jackson is one messed up individual. I doubt that Jay Chou would ever stoop to that level but I would not support him either if he did something like that.

[jay_ella4ever]

if jay were to ever be accused of something like that, then i'd first have to let the jury decide, but if he were guilty, i wouldn't support him as a person, but i will always support his music, why because as i say he is a yin yue tian cai, 音乐天才， or music prodigy. his music is something to be admired, and because of something like this all of his talent going to waste is not worth it.

[scarletwillow]

I'm sure many of the girls here would love to be molested by him.

And as a boy, I wouldn't mind a touch here or there either <3

[xiaohei88]

compare MJ with Jay C.?... well from what i think that both.. are great in the world of music.. but still i would prefer jay.. cause he has touched my heart with his music more than MJ did.. cause Jay C music is in chinese.. and i know nothing of chinese at all until i heard his music.. i dont need to know the lyrics to hum his song over and over again in my head....for MJ.. he is starting to scare me..so.. nop...

Jay has won my heart with his music.. his personality...and his charm..

[danieldren]

yeah i think i would still sick behind jay and surport him if such a thing happen like that... hes music means more to me now than anyone elses music has every :)

[diao]

I will still support him no matter what he does
I like Jay for his music and talent, not because of his personality

[wanie_jay]

erm, firstly, i just don't understand why they classified jay as the asian king of pop. jay's not a pop singer(that's what i think)
and if he did do crimes, then,(this is really hard), i won't be able to support him as much as i used to. the nice image that i had about him is shattered,and it just gets in the way everytime i listen to his songs again. it might be hard, but, i couldn't except any criminals, even if he is JAY...

[Eugene]

I support Jay becuse of his music and personal style .
Unless Jay admits that he is guilty , I will still maintain my trust in him .
Michael Jackson is a bit different from Jay so I believe that Jay won't indulge in such activities .

[khmerchef]

I'm assuming all fans of that particular artist will stand by their "idol" regardless. Think about how much support MJ still gets from his fan-atics. I mean, there are still women swooning at the sight of Michael Jackson. And I just don't get it. There was nothing wrong with the way he looked before, but now, he looks more like a white woman now, and still women find him dreamy:crazy:

As for Jay? I love his music, his variety.....I would still support the man. As long as he's still making good music? I don't care.

[keikai]

Interesting topic.
For me, I was just starting to appreciate Jay for things outside his music talents(example: his character/looks/personality/attitude towards others, etc). So I'm not 'in love' with him or anything.
If this accusation were to take place, lets say today, I'd be shocked for first things.
Whether or not to believe if he did it, that would probably depend on what evidence is presented and if this matter goes up a law suit, what is the final verdict passed by the judge.
Honestly, if I'm proved to believe that he did it, I'd probably stop appreciating him outside his music talents, but I'd still listen to his music and give him credit for that. A person's mistake does not condemn him for life(some might say it depends on the seriousness of his mistake, the consequences that take place thereafter and if he's remorseful, etc).
However, that's just my opinion. ^_^

[janjin]

I only judged my favorite artists according to their works and nothing else. so yea, i'll probably stand by him.

[ene]

On hindsight, this debate would have been good if it also came with a poll to see just how many fans would still stand by Jay if he did a MJ....

[k-angel]

wow,if jay was accussed as a child molester???hmmm,anyway,i guess i'll still support him as a musician but not from human moral value wise..moral value and talent is 2 different things..hopefully something like this will never ever ever happen..jay forever...

[orangeman]

It would depend on the era. Back when Michael Jackson wasn't so into kids, he might've had the leverage over Jay. Jay's not well-known in every country, but Jackson is. He's had the advantage of time, singing since he was little and into the millenium.

But now, I think Michael Jackson lost some fanbase. I used to like some of Michael Jackson's songs, but his child molestation issues turned me away.

I would support Jay, but honestly, I don't expect him to win.

[disbkoonsta]

i'd probably still like him as a musician but maybe not as a person. i'd just a be really sad though if he became a child molester since i DO look up to jay chou. how he pretty much started from nothing and just blew up continually. i love the array of talent he has. but yea...i'd still listen to his songs

[nunya415]

if Jay were to be accused of something like shild molestation ( which I doubt. . . .he just doesn't seem the type to me :/) I wouldn't all at once turn on him and throw away all my CDs and stop listening to his music and whatnot, but I would be like: "wtf" if there was solid proof then Ｉ　guess I would just continue listening to his music and buying his CDs (if they're good) but I wouldn't be all in hyper-freaky-fan girl mode anymore

[jay4ever]

depending on the accusation pointed at him, i'd still support his music because of his talents..

but if he's really found guilty of a serious crime by the law, i will definitely have doubts on his credibility as a musician anymore..

[didiwang]

If i still like the music he produce, I will sure support him.
Just like M.Jackson after his case, some people still support
him because of his music and not because of his action.
Unlike some fans may still lie to themselves that M.Jackson's
molest case is a false one.

BTW , I'm also not a crazy fan of him such as flying around the world
to see him and i dun have the $ to do so.

[ask4more_jay]

demi-god? heck no.
but i would kinda stand by him..
i'd still love his music
and as long as he confessed he did wrong
and admit that he did something bad
then i'd forgive him =)
but if this kinda thing does happen
it wouldn't influence my likes of his music
but "demi-god"..? no.
he's not god eh.
i just love his music as human <33

[Sugar&Spice]

I can't stand Michael Jackson. I think he is a filthy person, who should be locked up for the rest of his life. I love kids, and to hear that he was molesting them, made my blood boil, in the worst way. If I ever met him, I would want to kick his butt so bad, that it fell off. I used to like his music, but not anymore. I don't support anyone who abuses kids.

I love Jay Chou, but if I heard that he abused kids the way Michael Jackson abused them. Then I have to honestly say, that I would not like him anymore. Sorry, but that is the way I feel. If a star can do these things, then they are npt worthy of anyones support, and I would feel really silly listening to their music, knowing what they do in real life.

[milkee_glitz]

Hmm.. Then I think I'll just support his music then.. I don't fancy a celebrity with a crazy attitude.. And it wouldn't make me safe to go near him.. Coz I'm still a child (am I?).. lolz

[orangeman]

Hmm.. Then I think I'll just support his music then.. I don't fancy a celebrity with a crazy attitude.. And it wouldn't make me safe to go near him.. Coz I'm still a child (am I?).. lolz

If Jay were to like children in an illegal way, he'd probably shoot for 6-8 year olds.
When you're a teen, honestly, you can probably kick Jay's ass. He's not really buff, and add a few years, only time will tell.

Plus, it'd be pretty obvious what the dirty, sick man is trying to do.

[sam_ho]

I wouldn't stand by Jay if he were a criminal or anything. I didn't fall in love with him. I fell in love with his talent and music. Period.

I don't like Michael Jackson. Number one: He is a perv and a freak. Number two: what he did with his disgusting face...was NOT necessary. But, despite those two reasons, I still like his songs. I think that if Jay turned into Jackson, that's what I would feel for Ja.

[kliu117]

This is a toughie, I mean Jay? If he does, then.... I'm not sure. I think I will stand by him but his image a an idol to me will be shattered. Jay was always an idol to me, his musical talents amaze me and I always wanted to be asle to write songs just as good a him. He really got me interested into music and the singing. I will stand up for him but I probably will not be idolizing him as much

[la0zxb0ixx]

i really dont care about celebrities personal lives, because thats their life..i listen to there music and enjoy that, so if they make great music then i'll enjoy their music regardless of what they've done in their personal life

[c_c_]

I don't know, it's really hard to say. What Jay does won't change his music, of course, but I think it will change my emotions when I listen to it. Because I know that Jay has done something so terrible and (to me) disgusting, there would be a lot of emotional baggage for me when I am listening to his songs. The songs which would once render a relaxing and happy feeling would now be stressful, uncomfortable, and regretful for me, which will make me less willing to listen to them. As a person, I can definitely say that I will never support Jay ever again, but regarding his music, I would still listen, just not as much as before since the songs won't seem as sincere to me anymore.

[jocsim]

Well,comparing to Jay Chou and Michael Jackson,i would say i like Jay Chou much much much more than Michael Jackson.Okay,i was kinda like Mr.Jackson when i was young,i like him that i learned his every dance moves that he did in his mv.And when i grew much older,i started hating him,i dont know,i think after the thing he had done at that time(everyone knows ths case,right??) that made me hate him.I never like his appearance at that time till now!!

As for Jay Chou,my most favourite idol(same as others)!!His cool,and looks more "man" than Mr.Jackson.What makes me start like Jay was,like most of the people,his diao music and next come his appearance!!And what should i say after this,i'll keep on stand by Jay no matter,and till now,i started to realized that Jay not only filial but also a kind guy/boy(i prefer to call him a boy,lol),i kinda worry and afraid ,it's because of reading the news that there are artists got caught in drug abuse.So,what can i say,Jay is much more important to me!!

*The most funniest thing that i remember till now is i never notice Jackson is a guy(coz he really look like a girl)and came from a...(should i say this,sorry if i accuse someone,really sorry)"black guy" when i was young(coz i didnt care about the name of him at that time...lol),until i asked my parents about this and checked some info on the net!!

And now,i think i like Jay much more longer than Jackson compared to the time when i was young!!This are all just my opinion!!

[star_light]

I like him for his music and all, not for his looks. Im not obsessed with this guy or anything. He's just a great artist that I respect very much. My respect for him will probably go down but i will not stop listening to his music. I may start hating both because listening to him will just make me remember what he did which will make me stop enjoying his music. It sorta really depends on the severity of the crime I guess.

[chrissiewoods]

are you kidding? michael jackson doesn't even make his own music! and he barely sings live anymore... less onstage... he's a legend, yes... but he's already a passe... it's like he's now in the history books that no one reads anymore

[sushii]

In my opinion..if anyone does the same sort of thing that Micheal Jackson did..they don't not deserve the love from their fans..i know for sure that i won't stick by jay if i knew he molested childs..i would look down on him. and be dissappointed he would do such a thing..but we're not talking about if he was a child molester......
what i'm saying it really does depend on the situation and how bad it is..for it to really have a big impact on my opinion of someone..as for jay, good or bad, the kid has talent..but once he does something terribly bad, it doesn't matter how much talent you have....*guys don't kill me yet*

but even so..i MIGHT still listen to his music..i just won't like the type of person he is..

ugh..i'm a weird person aren't i? no morales....

[Gelloy]

I’m afraid imagine Jay do crime things.
Actually I like jay is because of his personality, music and talents.
I guess I’ll burn all my Jay Chou cassette and DVD.
Oh… Lord. I wish that’ll never happened
:cry: :cry: :cry:

[kwonsang26]

Just like with Michael,I still listen to his music.But Michael as a person,I'm not really interested in anymore.

He's always in the news for some kind of controversy nowadays & honestly I get tired of it.

With Jay my honey bun,he's a mama's boy & rarely appears on the news for anything bad.Everytime you hear about Jay in the news,it was because he released a new album or something positive of that nature.

I rarely hear about Jay causing controversies,which is good because he's going to be around for a long time & will always have his fans support.

Anyways,I think Jay's too busy recording,producing,& writing new songs to commit any crimes.But if he did commit a crime,I would still support his music.:D

[R A I N B O W x3]

Will I support his music? No
Will I listen to it? Yes
well you do have to buy his music, i mean what your doing is illegal hehe. though i do understand where your coming from. if he really did get convicted of child raping or whatever. i would look towards him a whole different way. i would be shocked. i wouldnt support him as person but i would support him as a artist even though buying his stuff would support him. id just download it off the internet legally instead of paying more by buying his albums.. i guess. i dont know this is a hard question.

(everyone knows jay wouldnt do something like this cause their are girls after him 24/7 and even tho jay wants to "rape" it wouldnt be considered rape cause the girl wants it ROFL)

[.: blacklily :.]

Okay, here's what I have in mind... If there would be a day in the future when that horrid thing happens (Jay convicting crime, raping or other than that), I'll definitely froze for weeks in shock (choi... hope it doesn't happen a t all). As a person, what he had done is really not what normal human in their right minds would have done. I oppose 100%. But, in the context of him as a n artiste, I'll always support his music. As long as he delivers good music to us fans, I'm good with that.

But... I think after all that he'd done (the crimes), my respect towards him as a fellow human and a very talented artistes will plunge low. It'll change my view towards him... Maybe I'll not be as "into Jay" as before...