Can't understand Jay Chou's rapping

[tontamoo]

Maybe it's just because my Chinese isn't the greatest (I'm Chinese-American), but I can't understand Jay Chou whenever he raps. I can understand his ballads perfectly fine, but whenever he raps, I can only pick out a few words if any at all. The only rapping song I was able to "sing" along with is Ba Wo Hui Lai Le (Dad I'm Home). Does anyone have this trouble? I don't think he enunciates very well, or is it a problem with my hearing?

[queensneak]

yeah... hez not really dat great of a rapper... i mean hez okay... but nowhere near top notch... a lot of thingz he just let slide... where it'z supposed 2 b clear and emphasized...

[Ziwei]

i dun think this is a question. it sounds more like a Jay discussion.

edit: i dunno, is rapping supposed to be clear? i mean, even when i listen to some other singers rap, i also cant catch what they are rapping. and besides rapping, Jay likes to "mumbles" over some words. that's why, i think that is how he is different.

[tongzilla]

This is Jay's style of rapping, and it's what makes his music so great. Sometimes he squeezes 3 or 4 words together so it doesn't sound very clear, but sounds more relaxing. Jay has said explicitly before than he deliberately doesn't make his lyrics sound crystal clear because he what to give his music more depth. I can't remember the exact details of what he said, but it may be found in the translation section of this forum.

Check of niang zi (wife) from Jay's first album...it's a good example of what I'm talking about.

[queensneak]

well... when u don't have shiet 2 talk bout... like most mainstream "rapper"... i guess it dont make no difference how clear nething iz... but listen 2 real artistz like the roots... who do actually have something 2 say... and ull c dat there iz a difference... afterall... when u spend all dat time and put down real poetry on paper... doesn't it make sense dat pple can actually hear the whole story??? vincent fangz lyricz deservez 2 b heard... and i don't think jay iz up 2 par yet 2 deliver nething so sprawling and running all over the place like vincentz overactive imagination...

[tongzilla]

Ok, all of you who dislikes Jay's mumbling over certain parts of this songs, please read this...

What do you do when you don't understand something he sings?

Ans.: go to the lyrics provided! (for those of you who buys fan ban (fake) CDs so don't have lyrics, shame on you!! However, you can also find his lyrics on this site...phewww!). And when you actually read over the lyrics, you think about them more, and understand it in a deeper way than just listening to it.

Also, I have two types of listening modes: one is when I'm really listening to Jay's music, like I'm concentrating on the lyrics, and the different instruments being played, etc. and the other is when I'm just chilling out and playing it in the background. For the second "mode" I think Jay's occasional mumbling is great because it's so relaxing and smooth and not so "in your face".

At the end of the day, if people hate his mumbling so much, then listen to some other artist! It's your choice....

[ker_ai_teresa]

Ans.: go to the lyrics provided! (for those of you who buys fan ban (fake) CDs so don't have lyrics, shame on you!! However, you can also find his lyrics on this site...phewww!). And when you actually read over the lyrics, you think about them more, and understand it in a deeper way than just listening to it.

At the end of the day, if people hate his mumbling so much, then listen to some other artist! It's your choice....

well said tongzilla!! :thumbsup: what i was thinking too as i read the posts here. go to the lyrics! or if like me, your recognition of chinese characters is crap, then spend the time to go thru the pinyin. if you still don't get it, try looking for the english translations.

I think if you follow J music for long enough you'll soon come to realise that it is his style to not pronounce words clearly. he does this in some of his slower ballads too. It's his style! it's different, which is what the music world needs, not everybody to sing the same way and conform. i think many of his fans actually appreciate this unique style of his, including myself. :happy:

[jayholic]

i totally agree with tongzilla. jay makes you look at and appreciate the lyrics.

and i also have the two listening modes. alot of times i just enjoy listening to jay's voice and how he sings. i love how he mumbles and slurs cuz it's so unique to him. i think it's also really cool how he can sing so fast that i can't even follow the lyrics! so in my opinion jay's raps are the diao-est.. :]! especially if he's doing a rap for another artist (like jolin), his rap is the only part i look forward to.

[queensneak]

okay... truth iz most of the time no one would go and look up an artistz lyric... itz just not something well worth doing... so i guess vincentz lucky dat jayz so popular... otherwise all his hard work would go unnoticed...


and 2nd of all... i wasn't sayin dat i can't stand jayz mumblin or dat i don't understand dat itz part of his style... i was just pointin out there iz definitely room 4 improvement in his delivery... and itz also tru dat i don't think dat jay can do ne better... hip hop iz just not his thing... im entitled 2 my opinion... so don't give me dat "den listen 2 some other artist" trip...


havin said dat... i'll also admit dat itz very hard 2 deliver vincentz stuff... if neone can get a really good translation of something of his and hand it 2 ne real thinker in hip hop... nas/ lauryn hill/ talib kweli/ the roots etc etc... i bet even deyll say dat vincent iz well worth his salt... and also dat itz tough... i mean sure dey have timbuktu/ babylon/ serengeti and whatnot in their lyricz... but itz mostly from a social/ politcal pt of view... vincentz stuff iz just plain... well... fantasy from the lack of a better word... dey read like some really beautiful and psychologically revealing dreamz dat goes nowhere... bcuz dey r dreamz... it takez an enormously talented mc 2 move the crowd and actually hold pplez attention wit dat kinda stuff... so itz not really jayz fault... hez just not up 2 par 4 it and there aint nothing much he can do bout it...

[ker_ai_teresa]

okay... truth iz most of the time no one would go and look up an artistz lyric... itz just not something well worth doing... so i guess vincentz lucky dat jayz so popular... otherwise all his hard work would go unnoticed...
and 2nd of all... i wasn't sayin dat i can't stand jayz mumblin or dat i don't understand dat itz part of his style... i was just pointin out there iz definitely room 4 improvement in his delivery... and itz also tru dat i don't think dat jay can do ne better... hip hop iz just not his thing... im entitled 2 my opinion... so don't give me dat "den listen 2 some other artist" trip...


of course you're entitled to your opinion and so is everybody else.

however i think you're generalising your own experiences too much. lot's of ppl do bother to look up the lyrics. if you think this is not true, just take a look at the lyrics forum and see the number of views there. or take mulitstars.com for another example. they translate and pinyin lyrics for ppl like us, and why do you think their website is so popular? becoz ppl do bother to check out lyrics.

i'm curious tho, why is it that you think hip hop isn't J's thing? and, how do you think he might improve?

[queensneak]

okay... truth iz most of the time no one would go and look up an artistz lyric... itz just not something well worth doing... so i guess vincentz lucky dat jayz so popular... otherwise all his hard work would go unnoticed...
and 2nd of all... i wasn't sayin dat i can't stand jayz mumblin or dat i don't understand dat itz part of his style... i was just pointin out there iz definitely room 4 improvement in his delivery... and itz also tru dat i don't think dat jay can do ne better... hip hop iz just not his thing... im entitled 2 my opinion... so don't give me dat "den listen 2 some other artist" trip...


of course you're entitled to your opinion and so is everybody else.

however i think you're generalising your own experiences too much. lot's of ppl do bother to look up the lyrics. if you think this is not true, just take a look at the lyrics forum and see the number of views there. or take mulitstars.com for another example. they translate and pinyin lyrics for ppl like us, and why do you think their website is so popular? becoz ppl do bother to check out lyrics.

i'm curious tho, why is it that you think hip hop isn't J's thing? and, how do you think he might improve?


thank u... i wasn't mad at tongzilla or nething... i just didnt really get how he bustz an ultimatum on me... :?


from wut i c... pple in2 c-pop tendz 2 pay a lot more attention 2 the lyricz dan pple in general... and part of the reason iz most abcz cant comprehend wut dey r listenin 2... no??? like most pple listenin 2 the top 20z in the states wont bother lookin up the lyricz... partly bcuz dey can fig out at least a big part of it (partly bcuz most pop lyricz arent nething 2 mystifyin)...


as 4 wut i said bout hip hop not being jayz thing... well... it seemz a lot of pple around me(non-chinese) think the same... like 4 instance... i burn diz one of my friend 2 of jayz cdz(jay album and fantasy... i didn't have 8th dimension yet back den)... and diz guy iz like a record geek... hez got some superb taste when it comez 2 music... somethin quite quirky like quentin tarantino type... and usually i would ask him 2 hook me up wit some fresh stuff every now and then...


so i gave him the cdz... and a couple dayz passed by wit no reaction from him wutsoeva... so i was like... oh yeah... the cdz i gave u... how was it??? he was like oh the jay guy... hez got a beautiful voice... some pretty good stuff(he likez love b.c. in particular)... and den he hesitated... but wut iz up wit the rappin??? it soundz whack as hell... id cut dat shiet out if i was him... and diz guy... hez a major hip hop head... hez the type datll sit in obscure lil clubz and listen 2 upcomin local artistz... den come back wit some $5 but bangin cdz...


so as u can imagine i was embarassed and shiet by den... i was like hmmmmmmmmmm... did u really i mean REALLY listen 2 it??? maybe u just thought it was whack cuz it takez some gettin used 2... hez like nah man i listened... and itz not out of place or nething... the rap does go wit the flow of the whole song... itz just... rite after a very good hook he hitz u in the face wit some average rhymez... he just cant rap nearly as well as he can sing... if itz neone else tellin me dat kinda stuff bout jay i would've just written him off as small-minded and cant take ne new thingz... but small-minded hez not... i mean he b jammin 2 french hip hop... without knowin a word of french all the same... and recommending it 2 me time after time(therez gotta b a line dat u draw somewhere... FRENCH hip hop was just 2 much 4 me... but id say everyone needz 2 hear dat shiet at least once 4 ur life 2 b complete :laughing: )...


so i started thinkin back bout wut i was thinkin the 1st time i heard jayz rap... i cant say i was 2 impressed either... but wut i did was checked out the lyric book... and i was adstonished by h

ow deep it was... and since i was luvin his stuff i quickly 4got bout it... but after wut he said i tried listenin 2 it critically again... and hez rite... jay cant rap nearly as good as he singz... itz tru... and his rap kinda... dragz down the album in the critical eyez...


so yeah... dat was a long ass reply... 8T... i dont blame u if u dont read the whole thing... esp considerin all my short handz... i luv jayz music... but hez just a commercial lever rapper... there iz no way 4 him 2 improve his skillz... unless he startz hangin out wit real hip hop headz... battlin and all dat... which iznt likely 2 happen... considerin how busy he iz... and hip hop hasnt been big in taiwan 4 dat long 2 have a real talented underground scene... i think he should 2tally drop it... and concentrate on wut he does do well... which iz 2 simply sing and sing his ass off...

[tongzilla]

Btw, I really love this conversation going on here. Only real Jay enthusiasts would talk about this stuff. 8)

Queensneak, while we're on the subject of "delivery"...maybe you should try writing your posts with proper English so I don't have to decode it when I try and read it. But that's probably your style, isn't it? Well, so Jay's breezing over the lyrics his style. Some people like it, some don't.

And if Jay's delivery when rapping "is not up to par", then imagine how freakin' amazing it will be when it is up to par! Jay is constantly striving for musical improvement...maybe one day he'll satisfy your high standards queensneak. I'm sure most of us here are extremely greatfull to have such a talented person singing to us, but it's hard to please everyone, isn't it?

[m o n k e e]

ill admit jay's rapping is not as good as alot hip hop artists out there, but i fink ur missing da whole point here. ur putting him along the same lines with ppl who focus their entire energies and life on hiphop and rap. ppl who live and breathe it. it relli is not a fair comparison. as u said urself jays is not jus about hiphop not jus a about rap, its onli one aspect of his music.

mandarin is not a language that flows very well for rap, its got WAY too many different tones so mainatining even a steady flow is very difficult. hab u herd harlem yu rap? it sounds like a set of pots and pans being dropped down da stairs, sounds horrible. personally i fink jay has da best flow in chinese music 2dai, but relli dat isnt sayin much, but have u herd da kind of crap dats out dere? i fink it says alot about the state of hiphop in taiwan/hk wen jay, whos NOT even a rapper, can rap beta dan ne1 in da game. if ur fren herd wilbur pan he'll probably have a heart attack. jay's is not a rapper or a hiphop head, hes more of a songwriter who incorporates RnB n various degreees of hiphop into his music. the rap in his first album i guess is a bit rusty, hell i can even imagine how ur fren wold be a bit put off by the opening rap in niang zhi, but u got 2 understand that this is how mandarin sounds like. i can also understand how ur fren wold b a bit disgusted wid the flow in ba wo hui lai le, and shuang jie kun, basically coz rappers in english wold not even dream of rapping like dat....mandarin is like dat im afraid, n if given the same lyrics, any rapper wold struggle to keep down da clashing tones.ba wo hui lai is not relli meant to be a full blown hiphop song... jus coz da verse is not sung, doesnt mean its a rap, its more of a monolgue...berating the father for his actions. IMO, keeping in mind da restrictions of the mandarin dialect, jay is doin sum crazy fings wid his flow, not very noticible in the first album, a bit more so in his next 2 ones, but it is in his more recent work, where he relli shnes.

i fink hes improved alot ne wai... ren zhe is a huge achievement for mandarin artist, who wold have tawt mandarin cold actualli be rapped...successfully...n competently. have ur fren listen 2 square of prague or even da new track yi fu zi ming, i fink hes gettin much beta. But wen u start comparing jay to the roots, and talib kweli, i fink dats taking it a bit to far.. those peepz live n breathe hiphop culture, n a rich one at dat. jay is jus a songwriter, singer n producer who mixes all his influences and produces sumfin which is unique, he doesnt apporach rap da same way as conventional rappers do. real hip hop rappers write n spit rhymes to voice their opinions or jus vent their anger. Jay uses rap to inject sum flavour into the music, its more of creating a musical landscape. but wen u start comparing him wid actual rappers, n suggesting dat he battle n ply hiis trade, dats takin abit too far. :) i hope i dint offend u, my tone mite make me seem like im pissed off at ur comments, but relli im not. i fink uve brought up sum very valid points n i respect ur opinions...

[Chun Li]

Queensneak, which song of Jay's are you talking about? Many of the songs is actually talking about history and the culture of another country.

You can't compare this to lauren hill and etc, they grew up in the US, they are part of the hip hop culture. You just have to accept that rap from Asia is a different kind of style, it's their own style, just like how rap and pop in Korea has turned into their own style.

[GuArDiAn AnGeL]

when jay raps.....it sure is hard to understand...but his mumbles has some beat..and makes u want to keep hearing it over and over again......it makes u have to look at the lyrics in order to understand it......and thats wut i do every time i get a new cd of jay's..hehe.....^^

[ankh]

yup mandarin is a much harder language to rap in. the individual pinyin is very precise. for jay, i think he's already very good. though i also don't always get what he raps in the fast songs(esp ren zhe), that's juz basically his style. even the way he speaks is very muffled, so when he sings, it's bound to be even more unclear. he grew up listening to jacky cheung and likes, so he's not gonna be all that great in the hip hop culture but he's definitely made lotsa improvements by leaps and bounds.

[Ziwei]

Queensneak, while we're on the subject of "delivery"...maybe you should try writing your posts with proper English so I don't have to decode it when I try and read it. But that's probably your style, isn't it? Well, so Jay's breezing over the lyrics his style. Some people like it, some don't.

i totally agree with tongzilla. Queensneak, if you are not aware, your writings are tough to read, at least for me. and maybe its your style. some people like it, some people don't and find it not readable.

i think Jay's delivery of lyrics, its his kind of style. who says singing or rapping must be really audible in every word? people who listens to Jay's songs, have come to realise that, he's not just singing. he's going with the flow of the rythums, to make it soothing to our ears and to make it different. if all he does is to sing, and make sure every word is heard, then what's the point of singing? every other artists sing in the same manner, then no one would be unique. that's only my opinion.

[ker_ai_teresa]

so as u can imagine i was embarassed and shiet by den...

so yeah... dat was a long ass reply... 8T... i dont blame u if u dont read the whole thing... esp considerin all my short handz... i luv jayz music... but hez just a commercial lever rapper... there iz no way 4 him 2 improve his skillz... unless he startz hangin out wit real hip hop headz... battlin and all dat... which iznt likely 2 happen... considerin how busy he iz... and hip hop hasnt been big in taiwan 4 dat long 2 have a real talented underground scene... i think he should 2tally drop it... and concentrate on wut he does do well... which iz 2 simply sing and sing his ass off...

queensneak, why are you embarrassed by J's music? just bcoz of what your friend said? i think perhaps your opinion of J's rapping has been hugely affected by your friend's opinion. if you thought it was good enough to burn a copy for your friend, it mustn't have been so bad in your opinion originally.

anyway, i did read your entire explanation, and i respect what your friend has to say. i must admit that i know next to nothing about rapping, what's good and what's not, but like what monkee said, i know enough to say that J is one of the best in the current chinese rapping and r'n'b world.
i appreciate what he has done and the music he has produced, but perhaps one of the more important thing about his success in asia, is that he has put a spot light onto r'n'b and rapping, he has set a benchmark in which other artists, present and future, will work to imitate and improve on. this can only bring about something positive, which is more knowledge and appreciation of this music genre, amongst the chinese.

so perhaps in some pplz view, J's rapping is not up to scratch, but again like what monkee said, this isn't his only focus in terms of his music.

[queensneak]

Hi. Sorry about the typing thing. It's not really a style thing, more like something I do when I need to put something down fast before my thoughts escape me. I apologize if it irritated anyone.


I think y'all reading me wrong. I wasn't saying that Jay shouldn't rap unless he's at the skill level of Talib Kweli or that The Roots' style should be upheld as the doctrine of all that hip hop should be. I was merely saying that Vincent's lyrics is already at the level of these lengedary artists in scope and context, and that I really admire him for writing things so real and pyschologically engaging, instead of talking about hoes wabbling wabbling and bling bling or blaze that weed up like most mainstream teeny-popper rappers these days. I were merely expressing my admiration for him for raising above all of that. But I guess I managed to make it sound very confusing with all my shorthands, so I'm clearing it up here.


While i was reading monkee's post about Jay being not a rapper but merely a creative genius who incorporates elements of hip hop to create a musical landscape, somehow I started thinking about k-hip hop. I don't know if y'all have ever heard of an artist named Seo Taiji? He and his group Seo Taiji & Boys was really popular in the early 90's, and is kinda crowned as the father of k-pop. Although his real roots are in rock, his music was a fusion of different styles that were relatively new in the music scene in those days. He's often credited as the guy who brought hip hop to the attention of the mass public in Korea. Even the hardcore hoppers these days give him props for that, even though he was in fact not a real rapper. I guess Jay is also this kind of "gateway artist". I can totally see how ten years from now he will be the same kind of legend.


I guess y'all probably wondering why I got a bug up my ass about Jay rapping. I'm really not a "orthodoxist/purist" when it comes to music. When I mean is that I'm not one of those people who sneers at experimentation, and thinks that all musicians are obligated to stay within boundaries. I'm just digusted by how misguided the whole hip hop industry is at this moment. The bling bling era, where fools like regarded as kings. Down-syndrome-sounding Ludacris with his "Roll out! Roll out!" bullshit. Nelly's "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" only provokes murderous rage in me, NOT the intense need to flash my goodies in a fit of desire. And don't even get me started on Ja Fool and his "what would it be without youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu". Ugh *shudder* I have forsaken hip hop for all that it looks/sounds like nowadays. Hip hop is anything but original these days, and if Jay truly wants to be "diao", he should steer clear of it by all means. Yeah I know I sound like a extremist, but unfortunately that's how I feel. I hope it makes some kind of sense to you.

[Emjay]

well, you can treat it as a special, or in chinese, du te, way of jay's of rapping. which is an art to be mastered. and sumtimes, you dun need to understand what's his rapping , just lie back and relax!

[**=Crayon Shin-Chan=**]

wow. interesting discussion going on here...
well, maybe let me express my views on this, queensneak?
ok firstly, i agree with ya tt i dont get what he's rapping sometimes. but when you listen carefully, the lyrics of some songs r still very clear. like "Pa, Wo Hui Lai Le", "Ye Ye Pao De Cha", "Ban Shou ren" blah blah...it's only a matter of whether you listen- carefully. it's not easy listening definitely, you'll have to pay attention to what he's singing. which is what i think created all the attention to him and his music. everyone has to sit up and listen. to say tt jay's not suitable for hip hop is like saying richard marx is not suitable for ballads cos jay IS the father of chinese hip hop. who can deny tt?? i mean, before jay, which artiste actually made it big in chinese hip hop and RnB? david tao made it big in RnB, and now if you ask ANY chinese around the world, who's made it big in C-hip hop, the first person tt comes to mind would be jay. who else can you think of? frankly i cant think of anyone before jay. so i'd say his style in hip hop has brought him really far, and his songs r meant more for chinese listeners cos we have to admit, he's an authentic Taiwanese. i believe tt where there r chinese ppl in any parts of the world, jay's music would be there. he has made it with his special style of rapping, his talents in changing the way chinese words should be spoken and it's a really unique kind of rapping cos he twists some of the words to fit into the songs nicely. i dont think any tom and harry on the streets can do just tt. lastly, if he were to just sing the songs like they should, he wouldnt be worth admiring and it wouldnt be considered unique cos any singer can do tt with a great voice. look at Z Chen (RnB singer from M'sia), he has a great voice, but he's just like any RnB singer. Croaks soulfully at the melodies, good but - nothing special. If Jay were to resume singing songs like "Jian Dan Ai" for all his albums, there would be nothing to look forward to in future. All his fans await his album cos we know we'd be in for more surprises from him and how he'd manage to turn another normal song to one with jay style. if he were to rap like the other US artistes, then what's so special bt him?? you must appreciate his talents to turn blacks' hip hop into jay style which the chinese ppl can be proud to speak of. the blacks have theirs, we have ours. y should he try to sound as good as them when he has his own unique qualitlies? THIS is jay - the jay tt i'm sure all fans like. not one who strives to be like other ppl. what's the point?
and for your "musically informed" friend, if he really has THAT great taste in music, ask him to explain the billions of jay fans around the world? dont tell me tt most of the ppl who appreciates jay's hip hop in this world, all have a bad taste in music, unlike your friend...? think your friend should expose himself more to the chinese hip hop world and not try to compare Chi hip hop with black hip hop cos tt's totally not Jay's intention when making his music.
wow...long reply ya..heh.so sorry for taking up so much space! :)

[m o n k e e]

well said **=Crayon Shin-Chan=**!

Hi. Sorry about the typing thing. It's not really a style thing, more like something I do when I need to put something down fast before my thoughts escape me. I apologize if it irritated anyone.
hehe hei.. its ok.. i type like dat also.. n im not gona change 4 no body :bleh: plus, im glad u brought up dis convo... i hope ppl dun start hatin on u coz u had da guts 2 speak ur mind, it wold b a real shame. it gets kinda borin tokin bout wat colour his hair is 2dai n stuff like dat.


The bling bling era, where fools like regarded as kings. Hip hop is anything but original these days, and if Jay truly wants to be "diao", he should steer clear of it by all means.
im feelin wat ur sayin bout da bling bling culture, its jus rubbish...n how hiphop has delved into the uninspired and unoriginal. u sayin he shold stay well clear of dis.. well, his forays in2 rap r nuffin like wat u hear in western hiphop, in fact even his songs r quite distinct fom wat u call hiphop or rnb... peepz like zchen r doing a competant impression of rnb exponents such as usher (of coure he is no way near) n countless fools r popping up in da chinese music industry spitting bout the same crap as ludicris albiet the swearing (of cors they jus cheap imitation) da whole chinese hiphop n rnb scene, apart jay is jus a big imitation of american music, its sad.

ok, put any chinese rnb n hiphop songs into a basket, take out the words n it sounds note for note, beat for beat like da american urban scene in 1998.. not only is it an imitation but they r not even up 2 date. but jay's music sounds nuffin like it, ok, ppl call it hiphop, ppl call it rnb, but dats onli coz deres no relli oda way 2 put it... u can hardly say jay is unoriginal (i noe u dint exactly say dat, but hear me out here..), jus listen to da new track for instance, yi fu zi ming. i mean, who da freekin hell wold dream of writing n producin a song like dat? da way his flow slowly segues into a half sung half rapped river in my opinion is one of a kind, name me one song , western eastern, northern wateva, dat sounds close to it... its not possible.. sure he uses elements in his music dat r derived fom black music, but thats where it ends, n where jay begins. the simple fact is he IS being original, n mayb y sum ppl dun feel his rap is becoz they too used to the norm, the american standards, n wen dey hear sumfin thats dun differently dey cannot feel it. if jay wanted 2 emulate american hphop den he wold fix up his flow so it sounded like it, but dats not wat he bout... hes starting his own thing, n deres no doubt in wat u said bout ppl in 10 yrs calling him a pioneer, coz dats exactly wat he is.

[linny]

Er, props to everyone for these posts. This is quite an interesting discussion. I nearly got a headache from trying to concentrate, but it's all good! I've come away from this feeling enriched.

*blink* Let me say I agree with both monkee and **=Crayon Shin-Chan=**... queensneak, you also make a lot of good points.

Just want to add that even if Jay isn't the greatest of rappers, you have to give him a lot of credit for rapping and managing to make it sound good. Chinese has a lot of different tones that are often conflicting. Jay gets a lot of credit for not only managing to make his raps sound good, but he also deserves credit for being able to do so while rapping fast.

Ren Zhe is a perfect example of this. Never mind the one in Fantasy. Have you guys heard Ren Zhe live in The One Concert? While it is barely 3 minutes long, during the verses, Jay's words roll on, blending together to the point where you wonder how he manages to sing at all.

It's that fast.

Now, I know this renders all understanding of the song practically impossible without either lyrics or translations handy (and even then, you're likely to get lost), I still admire how Jay manages to rap so quickly.

Sung by any other Chinese singer, Ren Zhe and other rap-ish songs like Nunchuks, it would sound like crap.

Er... okay, so I was rambling most of the time. I just wanted to add that while we're all either deciding that rap isn't that huge of an aspect in Jay's music or that he isn't the greatest rapper, he still deserves a lot of credit for what he is able to do with rapping, and Chinese is definately one of the hardest languages to rap in!

[Chun Li]

da way his flow slowly segues into a half sung half rapped river in my opinion is one of a kind, name me one song , western eastern, northern wateva, dat sounds close to it... its not possible.. sure he uses elements in his music dat r derived fom black music, but thats where it ends, n where jay begins. the simple fact is he IS being original, n mayb y sum ppl dun feel his rap is becoz they too used to the norm, the american standards, n wen dey hear sumfin thats dun differently dey cannot feel it. if jay wanted 2 emulate american hphop den he wold fix up his flow so it sounded like it, but dats not wat he bout... hes starting his own thing, n deres no doubt in wat u said bout ppl in 10 yrs calling him a pioneer, coz dats exactly wat he is.

Monkee, you said everything I wanted to say! I had friends who heard him and started talking shit. One of them said, "This isn't rap...ridiculous," but I didn't even bother to explain because he's taking Jay's music on the superficial level. He didn't even understand that, unlike lots of artists who "rap," Jay makes his lyrics a part of the music.

The main point is that his lyrics makes the music. It flows with it - it's a melody. I think that's one creative, creative person that a lot of people don't understand and underestimate. Half the people who listen to him just categorize him into the "wannabe american rap" section but they don't realize the creativity of his genius.

And I doubt Jay will succumb into the *bling*bling* bullshit. He's not part of American culture, he won't even understand it. For him to venture along that road of stupidity is somewhat unbelieveable.

[queensneak]

i mean, before jay, which artiste actually made it big in chinese hip hop and RnB? david tao made it big in RnB, and now if you ask ANY chinese around the world, who's made it big in C-hip hop, the first person tt comes to mind would be jay.


I'm sorry Honey, but there is no such thing as c-hip hop. Not by a long shot, not yet. Every other "rapper" in the Chinese music industry that I have heard so far besides Jay(who ironically is in fact an R&B artist) has been spectacularly pathetic. Like Monkee said, all they do is emulate and recycle old, tired American beats, and still rhyme like retards on top of that. There was this one guy that I saw on a show with Jacky Wu one time. I think his name is Kong Ling Qi(?) or something like that. He did a little "freestyling", and all I could say was, "Oh God, my boy, your mother lied to you, big time, YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL." And appearantly this guy is an ABC, cause at one point in the show Jacky teased him by asking him to define some Chinese proverbs. Now, the guts. When you don't even know the language, how the fuck do you expect to flip rhymes? More than any other musical style hip hop relies on words, it's stylized word play, that's all it is.


There's definitely k-hip hop, and please I'm not talking about ShinHwa. Unfortunately the underground scene is in a hiatus, ever since the Drunken Tiger drug scandal. There was a period of time where everyone was pointing fingers, and even though things eventually all calmed down, there's no longer the unitied spirits one can see in collaboration albums like the "Korea 1999".


i hope ppl dun start hatin on u coz u had da guts 2 speak ur mind, it wold b a real shame. it gets kinda borin tokin bout wat colour his hair is 2dai n stuff like dat.


Why, thank you very much for your concern. :laughing: But quite frankly I don't give a shit if that does happen. Highly unlikely that anyone's gonna track me down and pop a cap in my ass now is it? Yeah I was kinda suffocated by all the "blonde hair vs black" posts too. I mean my hormones are raging too, but there's only so much that can be said, know what I mean?


I agree with you that Jay's rap intro in "Yi Fu Zi Ming" was pretty damn slick. However it really is not the first time it's been done, the half song half flow thing. I can't think of any particular artists at the moment, but if you're interested I'll look through what I have and give you a list. Interesting though, I recall hearing quite a few Korean artists doing the song/rap thing, a lot more percentage wise than English artists. I guess it comes easier for them, since Korean is really a very flowing language.

[love_jay^^]

Yeahh .... I agree with u. 8)

I can't understand Jay's rapping neither.
But I like listening to his songs although I can't understand chinese at all. :)

I think his rapping is very GREAT !!! :thumbsup:

[-dream-]

I think everyone has a unique rapping style...or rather they should have one. the problem is that a lot of rappers these days all sound the same, when i turn on the radio, i wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between one singer and another, it's all the same. Jay has a smooth silky, flowing rhyme to his rapping, perhaps he mumbles when he raps, but really, rapping was never really meant to be clear anyways, it was meant to be fast, flowing, and stylistic....at least i think so. And Jay has it, this unique rapping style.

I don't feel the need to argue whether Jay is the 'top notch rapper' or not, he isn't the best, and we should all recognize that fact, there isn't always a 'best' in music. It simply depends on whether you like it or not, it's subjective.

Monkee has probably said all there is needed to be said already, he's right...what exactly are we comparing Jay's rapping to, to determine whether he is a good rapper or not? And he's definitely right about Jay with his own thing, it IS one of a kind, and if you don't like it, then by all means, don't. But for once, there is actually someone that can do more than the typical rap, and that's Jay.

[JayJay]

Thank you queensneak for a very interesting discussion.

queensneak wrote:

I agree with you that Jay's rap intro in "Yi Fu Zi Ming" was pretty damn slick. However it really is not the first time it's been done, the half song half flow thing.

I totally agree that some artists (esp kpop) has adopted the "half song and half flow thing". However, it is delivered uniquely by jay. I really don't know how to explain it, but it jay's execution of it that makes it unique. I mean you can't diss as artist adopting any form (e.g. rapping, rnb) if the artist make it his own style. I am sure you CAN find a song with a combo of rap/singing, but definitely not like YFGM or close to the way jay delivers it.

i agree with monkee, we human are quick to categorise things into groups. And we are quick to label jay as an rnb artist because that is the closest catogory which is widely recognise and at present the closest that describes jay's form of music. Maybe, in future , there is another category of music called "jay's music".. kidding ... kidding ... i know i am going too far.

i just like to finish with "JAY's music is REVOLUTIONARY!!!"

[nycxbait]

Jay Chow is the man, honestly his rapping you have to listen closely to understand or read the lyrics but whatever even his singing his often slurred but it doesn't mean it sucks, but i dont disagree with the thread starter it is very slurred. Often repeated hearing will make it easier to understand honestly though jay chow is the man, Nick tse is also good but jay not to sound homosexual or anythign is pretty damn good

[Chun Li]

Yeah I was kinda suffocated by all the "blonde hair vs black" posts too. I mean my hormones are raging too, but there's only so much that can be said, know what I mean?
You're not the only one suffocated.

[phoebe]

hi . pls understand that jay is same as all artist - i remember there's a phrase called " artistic liberty " . same as abstract art, fusion cooking , poetry - we admire the true artist because of that special feeling we have when faced with the result of that artist's work. singing is not a lesson in any language - forget about pronuncitaion and grammar .music is to be enjoyed and touch your soul. relax and have fun lsitening to jay's music and read vincent fang's lyrics to appreciate these two great partnership.

[sUm^MeR]

Wow, quite an interesting discussion here.

Well, I just want to give my 2cents.

queensneak, I apreciate you for being objective in viewing Jay's music. I do agree that the way he slurred his words somehow is a downstep for Vincent marvelous lyrics. But apparently... people do bother to check out for his lyrics, so his talents is still recognizable. Anyway... like monkee and Chun Li said that Jay indeed is converting his voice to be an instruments. Chinese is very hard to rap, tell me about it. But Kudos for Jay who still manage to rap so fast and so slick and sound so beautiful. I guess he at least need that compliment, right. :wink2: And Jay's music is really that inventive. YFZM might not the only song that combines rap and singing, but please do pay attention how he compose the music, the accompanying sounds, and the imaginary sense that Jay created. I heard very few songs (even the Western ones) that opens a pathway to imaginary world using only the means of its music. And Jay is indeed need a credit for that too. Sure, he's not the only one who could compose that kind of song, but he's one amongst very few musicians, and that sound amazing enough for me. Especially considering his young age and his single cultural background (Taiwan).

And the second one is... I guess you shouldn't listen to your friend's view on Jay's music too seriously. People who's so-called have the high taste in music doesn't mean that they're always right in viewing music too. You don't need a confirmation from your friend to admire Jay's music. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion and taste. If he doesn't like Jay's style of rapping or the way he uses his raps as another kind of instrument to blend with his music, then I would only say it's a pity. He hasn't yet captured the greatest element in music that Jay has created. Sure he's not a top-notch rapper, but he's still in the stage of improving. And right now, I don't see anyone who could do better than him. And again, you can get influenced by your friend's technical opinion, but don't let it influence you on continuing to enjoy his music. So.. don't worry too much about what your friend says. Different people, different preferences. And nobody is right or wrong. It's just different opinion. :wink2:

[phoebe]

queensneak - do do notice that many of us jay's fans are chinese but cannot read chinese and some cannot even understand chinese. but we all love jay's music - the whole sound of it . i don't care if he's hiphop or hophip - just love songs' rythmn and sound.
by the way , hope i do not soumd too prudish but maybe not to use the " f" word in your post ? sorry to offend you. also tks for sending a easier to understand post after your last's . i love to read your constructive posting but diffciult to decipher so much abrv. tks.

[**=Crayon Shin-Chan=**]

for everyone who read my long note and agreed, thanks. you guys r true fans of Jay and ppl who truly appreciate music which combines the widest diversities and aspects of sounds. as for queensneak, maybe i sound a little hostile in my post, but i must clarify tt everything tt i say here comes in good spirit and it's in pure defence of what i believe is good. so no personal attacks whatsoever. cos u're starting to sound adamant n pls spare the vulgarities for other ppl who REALLY infuriate you in future ya?
firstly you said this:
I'm sorry Honey, but there is no such thing as c-hip hop.
in response to tt, my Dear, i'll have to deny this. i'm not the most avid chinese music listener around, but i DO know of some artistes who ARE hip hop-based. hmm...let's see, how would you categorise music by Wilbur Pan and not to forget, Machi? do you actually listen to their music? dont tell me Machi's music is RnB k...cos tt's a whole load of crap. and i dont know how you would define C hip-hop. *shrugs* maybe i'm too dumb to tell the diff btw hip hop and other forms of music. but to me, a song with a funky hip hop beat (like the blacks' music), rapping, with tons of "yo yo yo" and "check it out" -- THIS is hip hop to me. and chinese hip hop? doesnt it generally have the same qualities as blacks' hip hop, just tt it's in chinese? if there's no C hip hop, then Machi has been singing ballads all along?? *gasp* i agree that there's K hip hop, there's even J hip hop. but really, try listening to Machi and u'll know what i mean by C hip hop.
anyway, you said "stylistic word play" - interesting term. but even if you dont know chinese proverbs and cant explain the meaning, doesnt mean you cant rap. rapping is basically like reading a poem just tt you incorporate music. who set the rule tt you must use sophisticated wordings in a poem just to get your point across? try rapping "twinkle twinkle little star". if you add some hip hop beats to it, wouldnt "twinkle twinkle little star" be a hip hop tune too? the whole point of word play is to make the lines rhyme, no? and raps usually ryhme, no? isnt Jay doing the exact same thing? so it's not hip hop anymore cos it's in chinese? and most of all it's not hip hop anymore cos he doesnt rap clearly? hmm..
personally i said tt Jay is the father of hip hop cos HE is the one who started the whole craze with rapping in chinese. as far as i can remember, before he entered the whole scene, chinese music was still Jeff Chang, Jacky Cheung, Nic Tse, David Tao...ya know, the regulars. until he came along. he gave chinese music a totally diff facet, opened doors to so many possibilites in chinese music and created his own style - rapping n singing at the same time. and ppl admire him for that. (at least i do) and i still think tt there is C hip hop and Jay is doing well in it, if he stops, there's no point in him singing anymore cos to do well in just RnB is easy and of cos, nothing special.
anyway queensneak, if you're really against him doing hip hop (which is what he's really good at), then i suggest you should just not listen to him since his music is not good enough for ya. just switch back to american hip hop. but u'll be missing out on the whole evolution of chinese music. we're not some musical critics (at least i'm not) and i dont think we're fit enough to claim what's good and what's not. even music critics are not fit to do so cos who set the standards of "good music"? what exactly is "good music"? some say coldplay, some say linkin park, i say Jay. if you think otherwise, good for you so stop listening to him then. listen to what you think is good ya? this whole discussion wont really get anywhere cos eventually we'll all have to settle for "everyone has their own tastes". and as for most of the ppl around here, i think we can all agree on Jay's music cos oh well, this IS a jay fan site right? haha... :happy: [/img][/code]

[Chun Li]

In Taiwan, they say that the father of hip hop is HARLEM YU, which is a load of B.S.

And in my experience, the people who listen to something new and instantly hate it or criticise it lose their credibility for me, for if they were really open minded and really understood music, they'd give it a chance instead of rejecting it so quickly.

[de.men.ted*]

that's his style..he doesn't emphasis his words..rather blur i would say. i believe it's his talented compositions that earn the hearts of his many die-hard fans! juz like me! lolx!

[queensneak]

but even if you dont know chinese proverbs and cant explain the meaning, doesnt mean you cant rap. rapping is basically like reading a poem just tt you incorporate music. who set the rule tt you must use sophisticated wordings in a poem just to get your point across?


Like you just said so yourself, hip hop is musical poetry. When you don't have an in-depth knowledge of a language, how do you write poetry? You would eventually be repeating the same thing over & over again, without ever going anywhere, which happens all too often as it is. A lot of politically/socially/musically minded young hip hop artists nowadays go to college and major in English, because they want to have something to expand their minds, and also something to get their points across. Hip hop relies on words more than any other musical style. A good hip hop artist will use his words like weapon. Look at Eminem. You can either love him or you can think he's just a terribly misguided angry little white boy, but either way you can't help but be shocked when he spits.


And really, I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I'm just not a very agreeable person anywhere, and I talk a lot of blunt bullshit. There really is no such thing as C-hip hop. I'll admit that I haven't heard Machi, but even if he is an adequate rapper, it doesn't mean anything. Hip hop is not just music, it is a culture. Having one artist who represents doesn't support a culture. It takes a hell lot of time for a sizeable base of artists to flourish and for the culture to just exist on its own right. Nothing is going to speed up the process before its own time.


And once again I fee like I have to make my point clear. Being hip hop(even if you're truly authentic), doesn't mean shit. Hip hop is just a musical style. What I can't stand is that everybody's rushing over and claiming themselves to be hip hop, like that's the only way to be considered cool. Who cares what kind of music you make? Good music is good music. Billie holiday is good music. B.B. King is good music. Nat King Cole is good music. James Brown is good music. Dusty Springfield is good music. I was not saying that unless someone can spit rhyme at my level he should go home, no, that couldn't have been further from what I was saying. I wish artists would merely exist and do their own thing, instead of busy at labeling themselves to get approval. That was my whole point and nothing more. Yes, I do think Jay can't rap, but I still love how he sings. Can that not just be what I think of him, or am I required to be blind in my love like a true fan should be?


by the way , hope i do not soumd too prudish but maybe not to use the " f" word in your post ? sorry to offend you.


No, you don't offend me. Sorry, I didn't even really notice I said anything in my last post. I'm a pretty vulgar person as a rule, so if you see anything in the future, please just take it with a grain of salt. :laughing:

[richard]

Got to defend Jay!

Actually i'm using Creative playcenter which is able to play songs slow motion and i was very impress tt jay actually managed to read out each word exactly!! Really u can try if u hav the software.

[sUm^MeR]

Got to defend Jay!

Actually i'm using Creative playcenter which is able to play songs slow motion and i was very impress tt jay actually managed to read out each word exactly!! Really u can try if u hav the software.

Really... wow... than I admire him even more. Sometimes I thought that it's just his style to slur on the words, but now I know that he's actually doing it fast and perfect. Well, he's a perfectionist in music after all. We shouldn't even doubt about that. :happy:

[Chun Li]

Yes, I do think Jay can't rap, but I still love how he sings. Can that not just be what I think of him, or am I required to be blind in my love like a true fan should be?


You can think what you want. I'm sure Jay likes his fans to have diverse opinions, anyway. Not like Jolin fans. >=P

[chantol_teng]

i think he mumbles. but its fine with me since i love his rapping so much. i cant really understand it. but i know he's saying stuff.lol... but i think its his own unique style which makes me love his music even more.. other singers rap also but sometimes i also cant catch what they are also trying to say. so i think jay is unique. and i think if jay wants to rap so be it. i think his raps are great. =] gives more attention to his music and more control.. dont ask me how. but that is what I think =]

[squal87]

No, I can't understand his rapping either. It's because I only understand a little bit of Chinese lol :laughing:
But if I was a native Chinese speaker, I don't think I would understand either. He sort of mumbles and doesn't speak words clearly when he sings some of his songs. A friend of mine who is Chinese can't fully understand the words of his songs. So yes, it is difficult to understand his rapping.

[liztsumi]

yeah... hez not really dat great of a rapper... i mean hez okay... but nowhere near top notch... a lot of thingz he just let slide... where it'z supposed 2 b clear and emphasized...

okay im sorry but i have to disagree with that viewpoint. What most people like about jay is that he endows his songs with an unusual FLOW, that makes people comfortable and relax and actually feel pleasure listening to his soothing rythms. That's why his voice has to FLOW and match the intended purpose. I believe all good rappers make their song flow through...i dont think anyone can understand missy elliot nor jay z nor snoop dog's lyrics, either, cuz they are good rappers..they make their music soothing to our hears.


but jay has bonus talents, since he can really sing acute tones (in Love B.C, An Hao, etc) like savage garden, he masters to convey the romantic feelings of the ballads , as well as the rhythm of r&b with his voice like pdiddy, in a way that music seems just an plug-in besides his voice.

anywayz...my final point....JAY IS A TOTALLY AWESOME SINGER AND RAPPER... :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:

[yellokyd03]

uhm well i'm new here..this would b my first post but back to the point..i think his rappin is rather strange i can speak chinese perfectly fluent and i can barely understand what he's saying..i think its one of those things he should not do and just stickin to singin..

[linny]

Yes, I do think Jay can't rap, but I still love how he sings. Can that not just be what I think of him, or am I required to be blind in my love like a true fan should be?

Eh, actually, I would prefer you stay strong in your views. Don't let all of us discourage you in that. If you honestly think Jay can't rap (and I won't argue you on the point since I don't feel my opinion is very valid anyway), then continue believing that.

True fans aren't required to be blind in their love for an artist, and I hope you don't think that of everyone here. It's just our opinions differ and we're letting that be known. In fact, I would think true fans love the artist for the good and the bad that they display. At least, that's how I always figured it.

[YURAchan]

although sometimes i can't understand jay when he raps, i do not think he's a bad rapper or he cannot rap. i just think it's his style. there are rappers who have really clear voices and other ones are the opposite. he does mumble quite a bit but once again, that's his style and i love it.

[09]

although I don't understand what he raps about (like a lot of other ppl) he's still coool...

I'm not sure what it is about him that catches my eye ^^" I mean there are soo many rappers out there who are just as good and some you CAN understand hehe... he's a good rapper none the less, it's clean/on the beat and the lyrics are great ^^"

[jiayminghyung]

all of my friends from China and Taiwan can't understand anything he sings/raps. my parents can't either. it's definitely what makes him "jay."

[**=Crayon Shin-Chan=**]

hah...looks like everyone in this forum discussion has reached a unanimous conclusion! and tt is: Jay sings accurately but goes so fast tt he has to crush up his words and we simply cant catch what he's singing unless we listen carefully! this discussion has been very interesting in comparison to whether we prefer blond or black hair..hah. really proud to be a member of this webbie cos at least we dont only care bt his personal appearance, but also the quality of his music!

As for queensneak, although this discussion did get a lil' bit heated some way back then, but i must say tt you really got some of us thinking (at least i did!)...now everytime i listen to Jay, i'd pay particular attention to how he's singing. i'm sure you like his songs too and i'm sure we're not deaf followers of Jay's music cos i'm sure there r elements in his music tt other fans dont like as well! like for me, i prefer his "he he ha hi" rather than the "yo yo yo" he kept using in his new songs. it was cool in YFZM, but in other songs i thought it was rather...weird. so relax ya? cos if you firmly believe tt he's not a good rapper, not a million words spoken can change tt! i still think he's a great rapper! so other ppl (like my bro) who think tt Jay's music is *bleah* while i think it's *Woohoo*, shoot me. i dont give a damn! we're all unique individuals with brains, so queensneak it's alright what ppl say to defend their stands as long as you stand by yours! must say tt you really did a great job cos you started an interesting discussion and made many interesting points! *pat on the back* but nonetheless, Jay is still the Diao-est to me!

[Seltsi]

I don't know if it's just that I can't understand Chinese anyways, so I can never make any sense of his rapping, but from what I've heard, I really like the way he raps, especially in Ye Ye Pao De Cha~

[aznbballer]

i think that jay'z rapping is different in a good way.
everytym i watch jay sing live, wen he rappz.. every1 goes crazy because every1 lykz it. i do agree that its hard to understand but itz original

[~niteangel]

I can't understand him either... :wink2: main reason being ....I don't understand mandarin lol ~ so I just don't sing along when he raps but hum the tune instead ><"

I sometimes sing the rap and then get all the lyrics wrong and my friends laugh at me :blush: ie phyxius :wink2:

[Phyxius]

~niteangel:
what does it got to do with me??? :-x
yea, i suppose i laugh at u when u cant even sing his NORMAL songs...
LMAO....
:wink2:

[~niteangel]

~niteangel:
what does it got to do with me??? :-x
yea, i suppose i laugh at u when u cant even sing his NORMAL songs...
LMAO....
:wink2:

lol ~ calm down i mean no harm :wink2:
Just wanted to share my incapability-of-singing-jays-songs-and-still-loving-it hobby :excited:

[Sparkling_Jade]

LOL, Jay is kinda famous for his "mumbling", but that´s just his diao style, nobody can replicate that. and it´s also one of the reasons i like Jay so much. it makes him distinctive and different from all the other rappers.
i find it actually interesting that he doesnt rap clearly, cuz that way you have to read the lyrics carefully and in order to sing along, you have to practise it over and over again. and more you hear the song, the more it grows on you. and when you finally master the song, you feel like a champ! :D

and like some of you already said earlier, it definetly gives his songs more depth, you have to really get into the song to fully understand it.

[rosiean86]

I think most of the ppl on the forum know what you're talking about. Obviously Jay slurs and mumbles, and I mean, my mom doesn't even undestand him most of the time. That's why you have to listen to Jay's songs over..and over...and over...:P

[blue_blury]

There is a wonderful thing about jay.. tat is.. u need to read tru the lyrics once before u listen to his rap... or else, is really difficult to understand what is he rapping about. according to a news , he said tat some times he don't rap follow the lyrics one. haha.
btw, when he raps, he gave u the feel of good rythem and beat..and u need to listen few times only can follow him to rap.

[cherily]

hmm tho jay's rap can be hard to understand sometimes but i guess its all his own style of rapping isnt it?thats what people like him for..cuz he got his own personality in the music he creates..tho he isnt exactly the bext rapper around..his songs are still fantastic and worth listenin to.. :)

[poppeye]

i can't understand what jay rap because i didn't know chinese very well, and my friend with a better chinesse can't understand too, that's made jay different with other singers

[princess`bobo]

i like the rap but its SOOoOOO hard to sing at karaoke....aiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii end up walking off the stage half way thru the rap cos i can't handle it...... :cry: but its good to listen to.....tooo bad i'm such a shit singer

[tiara_angel]

At first i can't catch what he's mummuring at first... but after you've seen the lyrics, they actually made sense to you!!! oh. some r quite touching.... :wink2:

[HeY_JaYz]

very wel said ! good for you...
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[specizhen]

This is Jay's style of rapping, and it's what makes his music so great.

Yeah i agree with them. This is his style and that'swat makes mi different fr the rest of the singers. His mumbling makes him cute~ :love:

[xiaoqi06]

wow.. tis is such a great forum. Just abt jay's rapping creates such a tidal. I do agree that jay's mumbling is unclear (duhz) and often scoffed by some people. But hey, we're talking abt JAY. and JAY is e one who's unique and special in his own way, yeah? That's always his style, and he's just so cool because he is undaunted by people's scoffing to correct his mumbling. Way to go, Jay!

[SimpleBlackHumor89]

well jay kind of mumbles when he sings..so mayb try mublin thru the words faster... cos i hav to mumble thru some of his songs

[bethie_me]

Jay's mumbling through his rap songs is the only reason why I don't like any chinese rap but Jay's! It makes it sound really cool. My chinese is as bad as anybody else's so I can't really catch what he's singing either.

[mimi]

i think itz just jay's style of singing...i can hardly catch on words too...but den i read da lyrics ^^v newayz...i realli like the way jay raps sorta like singing and rapping at da same time-sounds nice ^__^

[jc_neo]

That's where he is special at. Mumbling and rapping. And that's y I like him. Unique.. yeah... :excited:

so DIAO to rap jay's song at KTV, isn't it. :shiny:

[hellokitty]

very diao style...I ofcourse can't understand what Jay is rapping...because I seldom understand what he is actually singing :oops: The subtitles move too fast and my chinese reading is shit so yea...you get the idea...

I enjoy listening to the tune of the song though

[sakikora]

what are you talking about...i can understand him perfectly....or maybe it is cuz my chinese pronounciation is as bad as his...i dunno.....

[DragonPrince]

Don't worry. I don't understand it too. Even my friends, those who are very good in Chinese don't understands it. I guess its normal. We will have to look for translations or listen to it part by part to figure what actually was expressed.

[pengypeace]

Well, you can understand him if you look at the lyrics..And I sometimes sing along or you could just listen to his song over and over again..(The first thing you need is time)...I think His rapping is getting faster and faster :D

[liliceprincess]

hmm for me i can understand some of his raps..but then some are so fast >< its so crazy to try to catch up with the beats that he has..and sometimes i think he raps to fast that i cant even understand at all..but dont worry i think that everyone has that happening at least once..but when it came to him rapping in taiwanese..i was so shocked cause i understood every word..but when it came to his rapping generally many times its hard to understand