Fur and animal cruelty (Some very graphic content)

[nevets1219]

Don't watch this if you get sick easily. The video is very graphic and mature.

If you prefer to see this for youself please go to :
http://hk.geocities.com/blood1213/fur.html (for the actual website - in chinese)
and you can download the video here (http://my.so-net.net.tw/sirwang/fur.wmv).

OR read the summary of the video

Summary of the video:
Basically it shows people skinning animals. But these animals are still alive while they are being skinned. This I believe takes place in China and the video is Taiwanese. It is very graphic for example after one of the animal has been fully skinned it is still alive.

My thoughs:
Knowing that this takes place in China, I can feel that what these people did follows with the traditional way of thinking. Chinese people in general don't view animals as capable of having emotions. Pet owners would disagree and I would to. Also to be considered is the fact that economical status of many of the population is very poor. I can understand not being able to put in the resources to humanely skin these animals since that requires both time and money. I don't know how it is humanely done but I would suppose it would take place after the animal is dead rather than it being alive. I personally don't have anything against people who want to wear fur or other animal product but after seeing this it makes me wonder if everyone should say NO to furs.

[lee hom x3]

okay.. the description of the video is so disgusting that I won't even watch it.

i am against wearing fur and obviously i'm against animal cruelty. however i would like to present an allegory about my friend.. "Will"

Now Will is a vegetarian, and needs to tell everybody that he is. And naturally the whole world [meaning our grade] knows that. And this isn't all he needs to do, oh nosiree. His mission is to make everybody stop eating meat. All right, so if this isn't bad enough he is a hypocrite. He yells at people when they wear fur, but he has voiced how he really wants a snakeskin belt and an all-leather bag. He doesn't understand that fur and snakeskin both promote animal cruelty and the frivolous death of animals. For this reason a lot of people who have to deal with him everyday feel the need to pretend they like wearing fur.

sorry.. he makes me mad. and this topic reminds me of him :-x

[kasic_fantasy]

i watched half of it...and i feel so... :cry:

argh i just feel so....as if like my heart has just be stabbed...the poor animals :sadangel:

the part where the animal got skinned alive...its the most damn thing i've ever seen in life. the animal was still alive after being skin...and that f*cking man just keep peeling off and pulling out the skin!!! the animal struggled untill it cant struggle anymore...and it just slowly died. you can see it crying :cry:

MAN WHAT IS THIS!!!!!! :cry: to think those stupid women loves to play around with this...have they ever think for the animals??? i feel like peeling their skin off alive now!!! :-x :cry:

[Chandie]

OMGOMG i am absolutely FOR this thread!
i don't know if you guys hav been to my vegetarian thread i started a long long time ago last year?
well, there we were discussing similar issues...and i've been considering changing into vego! my ambition is to be a fashion designer and one of the things that i swear i'll never, ever do is use fur in my designs (not that i can afford 1cm square of fur at the moment), although there's no doubt it brings in big bucks! it's too horrible. why would people want to wear DEAD BODIES? it's sick!
www.peta.com has heaps of info on that- i signed up and they sent me anti fur stickers, maybe you guys can do the same if you're passionate like me too!

[snowflake]

Reading the summary on the video make me want to puke so I will give the video a miss. Although what nevets1219 (about the economical status) said make sense it still seems very cruel to the animal. If you are the one who get skin alive how will you feel? And I think if the animal is really DEAD then you take the skin is ok. But not when it is still alive and can feel the pain. It is totally inhuman act.

[Vicluva]

I did not download the video as I know it will make me sick. I am against skinning animals, the very thought of it makes me shudder. I myself would never wear another living creature's skin. The very fact that they skin the animals alive is ridiculous and unnessecary cruelty. I can't understand how they can have the resources to actually skin the animals, but not the resources to kill them first.

As for vegetarism, although I understand the reason some people adopt it (don't like meat/dietary reasons/against killing animals) I'd never become a vegetarian myself. The body needs meat for iron, protein, etc, and I just don't see the point. I had an acquaintance who was a vegetarian, and she constantly bombarded me with emails filled with disgusting pictures of cows being slaughtered, etc. It really annoys me when they ask me to be a vegetarian, because I don't go around shoving meat in their faces. That being said, I respect their choices.

Back onto topic, if people think fur looks so good, there's always the choice of faux fur.

[kasic_fantasy]

back onto topic, if people think fur looks so good, there's always the choice of faux fur.
what is faux fur? :?

i know one big bloody woman who loves to wear those fur cloths...J.LO :dry:

haha to think bout it now i find her such a b*tch...killing animal just for her own looks...what kindda bloody logic is that? btw...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/kasic_music/brownfyrcoat.jpg

come on tell me that fur coat that jay is wearing is not real :cry:

[Vicluva]

Faux fur is fake fur.
How do you know JLo's coats are real? :? I don't particularly hate people who wear fur, there are many other twisted things people do to 'look good'. I think it's sick to display some creature's skin as a trophy/wearing it (reminds me of the moose's heads mounted on walls, etc) but they should at least kill the animal humanely first.

Although if you think about it, it's kind of practical, like in the stone age /etc if you kill an animal for food and then use its skin for protection against the weather. However, in this day and age, when we can have clothing made from other materials, I don't think wearing fur is appropriate.

[LuVeRjAy]

I could only bear to watch the first few seconds of it...

It's too cruel for words to describe...

I read last year(on the net) that Gisele Bundchen was critisized by animal lovers for wearing real fur...

And she's not the only star doing it :oops:

[tangwk1990]

Why do these people want to do these? :crazy: I mean, why are they so cruel? I did not even dare to watch the video because I think it would be very violent. :cry:

These people should really do some soul-searching. All these animals have their lives, just like human beings. Don't they have any thoughts for these poor little innocent animals? :cry: These people are really selfish. They just kill them for money, not even considering their lives. What type of people is this? I really detest these people. :-x

And for those who buy the animal fur. I also hate them. I mean, are they encouraging these people to kill more animals for their fur? :crazy:

[kasic_fantasy]

How do you know JLo's coats are real?

Vicluva i went to the web that Chandie mentioned: www.peta.com. but heres a side that says more bout it: http://www.jlodown.com/

Although if you think about it, it's kind of practical, like in the stone age /etc if you kill an animal for food and then use its skin for protection against the weather. However, in this day and age, when we can have clothing made from other materials, I don't think wearing fur is appropriate.

hey i totally agree with you. why must people just take life for granted? :worry:

[jay_chou_]

OMG... I can't even explain the kind of sickness I felt by watching that video clip, I couldn't even watch all of it, I just watched bits of it cos it was just so disgusting, I never knew people could be SO SO cruel!! Don't they even realise?! I mean, it's one thing to actually kill animals but it's a completely different, not to mention WRONG thing to kill them in such a horrible way!! I can't believe, even after they tortured the poor animals and ripped their skins off, the animals were still alive - I can't imagine all the horrific pain they must be going through !! Really makes me sick... they are so selfish, why don't they at least kill the animals quickly 1st so they don't have to go through all that torture?!

[Chandie]

here i must share something with you guys.
the editor in chief for the most powerful fashion magazine, u.s. vogue, as i'm sure many of you guys have heard of, is by a woman called anna wintour- she's like hilary clinton of the fashion world
she is the biggest witch that wears fur wherever she goes- and a milan fashion week that just ended, she got 'attacked' by some anti-fur protestors outside the karl lagerfeld show where somebody (good on them) shoved a tofu pie into her face and into her fur mink.

do you know what she said?

she said: i think that was organic tofu, that is good for my skin. i think this will just make me wear more fur! :ranting:

what a wicked witch! if anyone has read 'the devil wears prada' the evil boss is meant to be a direct mirror of her. anyway- about j lo- her debut fashion show 'sweetface' that was staged a few weeks ago had some item of REAL fur in almost every single outfit. yeh, she's a fur-a-holic. and as for the photo kasic posted...it was @ the jolin concert, wasn't it? they were wearing 'matching' outfits with fur trims! it would be my guess that it's not faux :cry:

[kasic_fantasy]

it was @ the jolin concert, wasn't it? they were wearing 'matching' outfits with fur trims! it would be my guess that it's not faux

no it wasnt in jolin's concert. its jay's incomparable... :cry:

hey i really hope our dear jay wont be that cruel to wear those stuffs :cry:

[nevets1219]

Not that I am trying to side with the people who are skinning these animals but it is important to consider both sides of the issue. Economical status is very important factor just as the way people are brought up to think. In this case poor economical status and a lack of regard for animal lead to this kind of action. It is sad to see China doing most of the dirty work and I'm glad many of you also dislike fur. You should go to the site if you read Chinese (there is English at the bottom I believe) but don't play the video if you don't want to (just pause or stop it - the beginning doesn't show anything too graphic if I remember correctly). I forced myself to watch all of it - very gut wrenching stuff.

[j0ty]

I've seen a few seconds of the video before when my friend sent me without any warning, just told me to watch. Well, u can make me watch a gruesome warfare show, but not videos like that! I stopped it after a few seconds, and then send out the videos and message to all my friends on email. Hopefully, this cruelty would reach out to more people not to wear fur.

Anyway I believe this is not much applicable to people living in Singapore becos it is so hot here! It'll be crazy to be wearing any fur at all except your skin.

If they didn't skin the animals alive, I think it wouldn't have been that bad. Becos it would be like humans killing them for food. Why don't they strangle them or something? If this activity cannot be stop, at least let them die first! It's just like thoose people who use animals for testing. The poor lab animals have to live a damn life until they day they die from poison or something of the product they are testing!

Chandie, are you a full-pleaged vegetarian? I do take vegetarian for long period like couple of months, then revert back to a bit of meat, then vegetarian again. But mostly if I take meat, it's fish. My dogs too. But I do give them meat like once or twice a week.

[lattae]

Why don't they strangle them or something? If this activity cannot be stop, at least let them die first! It's just like thoose people who use animals for testing. The poor lab animals have to live a damn life until they day they die from poison or something of the product they are testing!
Well, lab animals are bred for that purpose (to put it plainly, the papa/mama were mated for the sole purpose of providing offsprings for us to kill). There are companies around that farm mice to supply to labs even. And it's just pretty much like farming other animals (cow, pigs, chicken) anyway. Labs make orders, gender/species/age/size... they deliver.

Sometimes, it's hard for us to ensure that they die in what we would probably term as "humane". If the experimentation permits, we gas them with carbon monoxide etc to let them die in their sleep, but for certain purposes we need them to be "fresh", "uncontaminated". Putting chemicals (even carbon monoxide) into them to induce death may interfere with the results. One of the ways to kill lab mice is to put them up by the tail, and give it a few hard swings in the air. This is supposed to snap the backbone, hence paralysis/death. Sounds cruel, but it's still used, cos the death is quick, specimen is "fresh", and is closest to "alive" state, without chemical interference.

Some experiments require the animals to be alive... chemicals are injected into them (usually with little intention to kill them), but rather to see if the chemicals is toxic or causes death in that certain quantity. If the animal survives then well and good, you've achieved your purpose in producing something safe for use on living systems. If it dies, then too bad, go and do more experiments. Anyway, if you think that is bad, think of the animals that scientists purposely induce a disease in (eg, infection, cancer) for their experiments. Imagine the pain of having a tumor (cos someone gave you something cancer-causing), then having to undergo treatment, that is likely to fail.

Anyway... perhaps I've seen/heard enough to make me feel indifferent. That's lab life anyway. After a while... you stop feeling for these lab animals, just as you probably wouldn't feel very strongly about pigs/cows/chicken being slaughtered for your meal.

Don't get me wrong, I am not for animal cruelty, but sometimes, life just numbs you out.


For all you know, the animals need to be skinned alive for one reason or another to make sure that their coat is intact and in good condition. Or perhaps skinning them dead is harder? I dont think it's the fault of the "farmers", for them, the animal is going to die anyway, just a matter of how... and why not make the most out of their death with good quality fur. If you want to stop this sort of things going on, the only way is probably to stop "demand", if we all don't buy, no one will be able to make a livelihood out of it.

[jaychou_21]

For Christ's Sake!
Killing His creations for the name of beauty?!?
The video left me feeling hatred and profuse anger
to those people who brutally killed the animals.
Nature has become an innocent victim
and it has offered innumerable lives for the
greedy,cruel and unsatisfied human populace.
It's about time that the cruelty to animals be put to an end.
Those people should go to Hell!!! :profanit:
If only the animals can fight back,
I bet they'll remove the skins of those
merciless murderers too!
Too bad because fashion-oriented elites don't have
any interest in buying clothes made from human skin.

Come to think of it,who are we to blame them?
We cannot really blame them because they're doing it for a living.
You see the paradox?
Killing for a living...
Yes,practical right but still,
it's very politically incorrect and morally wrong! :realmad:
They are just killing animals for the name of money and beauty.
The cruelty and the severity of brutality they inflicted to
those poor and pitiful animals only suggest that even the
government doesn't have enough power and authority
to abolish such ruthless acts. :ranting:
Who will save the animals then?
Don't ask me.
Ask yourselves.

[Ch3l3nk]

eeeewwww!! omg!! i could only watch the first few seconds of the video.. i was too scared to go on.. that's inhuman and those people who wear REAL fur are cruel, thoughtless and inhuman poeple!! I never wear fur and will never be because (1) i never like wearing fur (2) real fur is cruel...

but im not sure about being vegetarian though.. cos i cant.. but at least i only eat chickens, beef and fish.. no more..

[weemalyn]

i didn't watch the video, afraid that I may not be able to take it. I saw related news on TV, those people are really cruel. Some of the animals are skinned alive. Oh my god, it must have been terribly painful.

Why would people want to wear animals' skins or fur on themselves? I know that furs are very pretty and nice feel also, but maybe they should go for fake/man-made ones. It's really cruel and unethical to kill an animal just because somebody wants its skin.

Everyone should really stop buying real animals fur or skin. When there is no demand, then there would be no supply and these poor animals could be safe.

[yenny1106]

actually there's much more animal cruelty going on out there. think kfc was also blamed for the inhumane way of kiiling chickens? there's a website www.kfccruelty.com.
not that i'm biased against china or something, but i have heard of lots of cruelty acts in china, such as eating monkeys' brains when they are alive. heard from my mum who heard from my grandpa! the HORRIBLE people saw off half the head, put the monkey below the table n just eat the brains! really dunno if it's true.,.. there r lots more stories such as capturing sun bears n draining them of their bile (like milking cows like that) etc etc... sigh..............

[nevets1219]

Yup...I have heard that they (cooks in China - maybe in HK) cook the fish so that it is still alive while you eat it. It is suppose to keep it fresh or something. I don't know if it is cruelt but definitely a little hard on the stomach to see something that is about to be eaten move. Basically the fish head is uncooked just mid section. This is much different than eating something alive.

Research on animals (through product testing) is more humane because it is beneficial to all humans IMO. That doesn't mean you test makeup on them...Drugs that heal or cure would be my exception. The end justifies the cause in this case for me. So support beauty products that aren't tested on animals! If anyone should test beauty product is the animal that ends up using it! Monkeys smoking is not funny!

I can't become a vegetarian but I can go on a couple meals without meat. Stupid parents are afraid of getting old so I'm eating "healthy" (whatever that means)

*WARNING*
From what I remember reading in a book - they slice off the eyelids of cats/dogs to study the effects of lack of sleep. Or animals with seriously scarred face from testing beauty products.

[kasic_fantasy]

such as eating monkeys' brains when they are alive.

hey yenny, i can be sure that your telling the truth. cause my father has eaten that before :dry:

he even eat bear's paws and had dog meat before. he ate those stuffs when he was in China. which makes me totally unable to accept that. i find him very cruel. but he told me he was force to eat. i think its more like bullsh*t :dry:

Yup...I have heard that they (cooks in China - maybe in HK) cook the fish so that it is still alive while you eat it. It is suppose to keep it fresh or something. I don't know if it is cruelt but definitely a little hard on the stomach to see something that is about to be eaten move. Basically the fish head is uncooked just mid section. This is much different than eating something alive.

i heard of this too. in jap they eat in this way too. but it only applys on certain fishes.

From what I remember reading in a book - they slice off the eyelids of cats/dogs to study the effects of lack of sleep. Or animals with seriously scarred face from testing beauty products.

this is the lamest thing i have ever heard bout. slice of the eye lids just to study the effects of lack of sleep? come on man what bloody logic is that?... :dry:

[hamtaro]

what is faux fur? :?

i know one big bloody woman who loves to wear those fur cloths...J.LO :dry:

haha to think bout it now i find her such a b*tch...killing animal just for her own looks...what kindda bloody logic is that? btw...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/kasic_music/brownfyrcoat.jpg

come on tell me that fur coat that jay is wearing is not real :cry:

I dont think Jay wear the real fur cos he said before that he dont like people who wears real fur. I remembered one time whe he said that he wont encourage his gf to wear real fur and he himself only wears fake ones.

[azn_noodles]

ok from what i've read, i wont watch the video. *shivers* itll give me nitemares. but i'm very against wearing animal fur(unless i'm freezing to death and i borrow my moms leather coat..but thats not exactly fur...o_O) i mean, its like wearing someone elses skin!!! imagine, someone taking you and skinning your skin off then wearing it!!! that would be so mean and scary!!! :sick: :dead: i would never want that....ugh eww

some of these comments are scaring me!!! *tries not to rea-* OMG ok now i'm real scared *runs away* ANIMALS LIIIIIIIIIIIVE

[jaychou_21]

I got a link to some of those animal cruelty videos.
From cattle,chickens to pigs...even mice and chimps!
In particular,a video titled "Meet your Meat" caught my interest.
Alec Baldwin narrates the revised “Meet Your Meat” expose'.
In a moving narration,actor and activist Alec Baldwin exposes
the truth behind humanity’s cruelest invention – the factory farm.

There's also one showing workers at a KFC slaughterhouse stomp,
kick, and slam the poor birds against the walls.
How bad does it have to get before KFC changes
the way it treats chickens? :hmm:
Watch loads of animal cruelty videos now! (http://www.petatv.com/)

[hisashiluv14]

I didn't watch the video; I've seen enough photos of this nature to last me for the rest of my life.

I used to be really passionate about animal rights but it's died down over the years. Still, I went vegetarian when I was 14 and I'm sticking with it for the rest of my life. And anyway, the sight/smell/taste of meat honestly makes me sick now.

Fur is dumb. For hell's sake, it doesn't even look good. It makes you look like some stupid eskimo! Even Jielun doesn't look good in that (faux?) fur coat. :dry:

Testing on animals...don't get me started. It never fails to amaze me how indifferent human beings can become towards other creatures.

[j0ty]

jaychou_21,

err...thanks for the 'recommendations'. But anyway, I'm glad I hadn't really touched any fast food for nearly one year already. KFC is last on my mind. As usual, I'm not gonna view those videos. Like hisashiluv14, I've enough cruelty images in my head to last me for a lifetime.

Let's keep this thread alive, so we can reach out to more people and raise awareness of this animal cruelty. Some people just ain't aware about it.

[Singerchick]

this video almost made me throw up.

the animals are so helpless and in the beggining the animals were like holding onto the cages.

i stopped watching after a while..so i didn't get to the part where the skinned animal is still alive. But is that even possible? It kinda bothers me though that they just don't kill the animals first, does skinning them alive make the skin better or something? And the animals were suffering so much and they were like twitching. Very gruesome indeed. I know that the people are doing their job, however they do it with such little mercy. I guess its becuase the people who do these things are kind of used to the feeling and therefore arn't as sensitve as someone like I would me. However this is so sad. I don't buy fur, and i don't think i ever will.

[Chun Li]

here i must share something with you guys.
the editor in chief for the most powerful fashion magazine, u.s. vogue, as i'm sure many of you guys have heard of, is by a woman called anna wintour- she's like hilary clinton of the fashion world
she is the biggest witch that wears fur wherever she goes- and a milan fashion week that just ended, she got 'attacked' by some anti-fur protestors outside the karl lagerfeld show where somebody (good on them) shoved a tofu pie into her face and into her fur mink.

do you know what she said?

she said: i think that was organic tofu, that is good for my skin. i think this will just make me wear more fur! :ranting:

what a wicked witch! if anyone has read 'the devil wears prada' the evil boss is meant to be a direct mirror of her. anyway- about j lo- her debut fashion show 'sweetface' that was staged a few weeks ago had some item of REAL fur in almost every single outfit. yeh, she's a fur-a-holic. and as for the photo kasic posted...it was @ the jolin concert, wasn't it? they were wearing 'matching' outfits with fur trims! it would be my guess that it's not faux :cry:

Chandie, how do you know that Anna Wintour is supposed to be the boss in "The Devil Wears Prada?" Is that a fact? I mean, did the writer of that book really serve her as an assistant? Hmmm.

I have to ask about that......

And what a pretentious biatch! I can't believe she can walk around all arrogant, just because she thinks she is the authority figure on Fashion? (Last time I checked it was the designers). And her outfit on the "From Editor" column doesn't look that fashionable. Anyway, I shouldn't be jumping all over her before I know the facts -- was that book really written about her, and is she really that much of a stuck up snob?

As for the fur argument, below was what was written by the Chinese Fur Commission. I skimmed it, and basically they're saying the video is fake. (I doubt it).

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Announcement by China Fur Commission, China Leather Industry Association

2005/03/04
Recently, an article entitled "Fun Fur?" was published by the international animal protection organizations including that of Switzerland, and TV programs surrounding the publication have been broadcasted by many stations in a number of countries. The article made an extensive report on the fur farming and fur processing industry in the People's Republic of China, especially in Hebei Province.

We strongly support animal protection advocated by the article, which is what Chinese husbandry has always been upholding. We believe that ethical treatment of animals is the foundation of fur farming. However, we would like to point out some distorted and unjustified report made by the article on the Chinese fur farms so as to present a right understanding of the facts.

As a developing country, China has made considerable economic development in the past decade, but its overall economic level is far behind that of Western developed countries, including industry, agriculture, science and technology and people's living standard. The same gap also exists between the average level of Chinese husbandry and that in Europe and the U.S. Because of fast development on poor foundation, some problems may appear in certain areas during the development. China has been learning from countries in Europe and America in terms of advanced technologies, environment, and facilities of husbandry while upholding the guidelines of ethic treatment of animals during the development of Chinese husbandry. In animal slaughter, we adopt international practice such as electric shock and injection. Moreover, due to investment from western countries, management and technologies of many fur farms adopt western husbandry standard. However, while ignoring most Chinese fur farms with favorable environment and facilities, the article painstakingly focuses on the seamy side and makes an unjustified generalization, which has damaged the reputation of Chinese fur farming industry. The report and comment are unfair to the Chinese fur farming industry.

Furthermore, we doubt some viewpoints and material of the report to be invented or exaggerated. Pictures showing animals being skinned alive are obviously plotted. All those with common sense would not choose this slaughter method to attain fur. Reasons are as follows: First, the animals are bred for quality fur and those with a thinking mind know this method would seriously affect the quality of the fur. Second, animals being skinned alive would struggle and might hurt the skinner, which would increase the difficulty of skinning process. At last, the method is a very inefficient one to attain fur. To a fur farm with hundreds, even thousands of animals, it's ridiculous and infeasible to adopt the method.

The article also made some irresponsible remarks such as that China has no regulations on animal husbandry and the Chinese government overlooks fur animal farming. Chinese fur animal farms are under joint administration of China's State forestry administration and Ministry of Agriculture. Rules and regulations related to fur animal farming include: "Wild Animal Protection Law of the People's Republic of China" passed and implemented by the Fourth Session of the Seventh National People's Congress on Nov. 8, 1988, the "Regulations for the Implementation of the People's Republic of China on the Protection of Terrestrial Wildlife" ratified by the State Council on Feb.12, 1992 and issued by China's Forestry Ministry on Mar.1, 1992, and "Management Procedures on License for Domestication and Breeding of Wildlife under Special State Protection" approved by China's Forestry Ministry on Dec.30, 1990 and implemented on Apr.1, 1991. All these regulations have clauses on animal farming and the "Husbandry Law" being drafted specifies animal welfare including farming and transportation. In addition, relevant standards have specific regulations on welfare of fur animals. Additionally, some national and local standards have clear definitions on breeding conditions, cage dimensions, nutrition composition and also immunity, which assures the due animal welfare during their raising.

In conclusion, we believe the article both failed to present a factual picture of the current situation of Chinese fur farming industry and made an irresponsible distortion of Chinese fur industry, which have gravely affected the benefits of Chinese fur industry.

As the only legal national organization of the Chinese fur industry, China Fur Commission of the China Leather Industry Association is devoted to standardizing Chinese husbandry and improving welfare of fur animals. We welcome any helpful and constructive advice to Chinese husbandry industry from our international peers. But at the same time, we strongly object to unjustified generalization and willful distorted report by certain organizations.



China Fur Commission, China Leather Industry Association

Feb. 28, 2005

Source:http://www.china-embassy.ch/ger/4/t185836.htm

[SimpleBlackHumor89]

i can understand why people would wear animal fur, it sure damn is soft and keeps you warm, and looks nice too, but why not wear a fake one, i mean nowdays they could have if very similar, you cant even tell whats real and whats' fake.

it's just sad, i mean in next couple centuries, we might be wearin human leather jackets or some crazy sh*t like this. just dont make sense. i mean at least kill the animal before you strip them of their fur, leave them some dignity, and let them die whole. i saw that clip, made me cry...

[hamtaro]

I do believe there were many such cruelty acts in the world. Humans have no rights to deprive the animals of their freedom, not to say their pitiful lives. Imagine we were the ones who were being skinned, wont that hurt much? One small cut on the hand would already cause us to scream, not to say to pull out our skin from our flesh. I've watched the clip, it was way too CRUEL!

I had nightmares after seeing this. I could still remember the expression of the animals, they were so helpless, and yet, they were still being continuously pulled of their furs.

These animals absolutely done no wrong to deserve this, so why are those people still so inhuman to do this? Even if they want to obtain their skin, they should at least let them die by poisoning them or other methods.

[scarletwillow]

Fur feels damned good.
Granted, they should kill those suckers first before they skin them.

I'm not turning vegetarian though.
That's what girls do <3

[/tongue-in-cheek]

[Jie_Lun_Rox]

i agree with hamtaro. the animals have done nothing to deserve it. however, the fur really is comfortable. we should think of the animals. they should let them die in a non-painful manner.

[sundae]

i actually watched the video through other means and as soon as i saw this thread i had to join.
it was the sickest most sadistic and evil thing i have ever seen in my life. i understand that they probably make big bucks selling the furs, but just thinking about how much pain and suffering the animals are going through.
if you watched the video the racoon i think it was, was still alive after all the skin had been yanked off it, and was just tossed at the back of a truck with like a thousand other raccoons dying a slow painful death. i cried watching this video, the guy skinning the dog i swear was enjoyin it jumping on the dog's head...i couldn't believe there are people out there who could hurt another living and breathing thing.
i'm not even like an animals rights activist, i also eat meat, so i'm not a hippie or whatever, i'm just human, there was no attempt to end the animal's suffering or anything. if they get their karma all those people will feel the pain they inflicted on those animals times 10

[princessKitty]

animal cruelty is unnesseccary, cruel and vile.
there are so many other ways to test products but yet companies are still using animals.
but in the u.k, it is the LAW that products should be animal tested in order for it to be safe to sell.
personally, i find it untrue because there are shop in the U.K that doesn't animal test but yet it is safe to use.
it is just an excuse to torture animlas. i say, BAN ANIMAL TESTING!!!! :profanit:

[yenny1106]

hey! i think i heard from somewhere that that jennifer lopez created her own brand of fashion apparel using lots n lots of fur. is that true?? if that's true, then she's such a*beep*.

[sundae]

yes almost every item of clothing that jennifer lopez designed for her recent collection had fur, she claims she doesn't know how the animals suffer and whatever when peta has targeted her several times

the only type of animal testing that is acceptable is when they are testing medication to find cures for like diseases

[gladwin]

OH MAN. what are they thinking? killing and hurting the animals when they are still alive? have they got no feelings?
I watched it and felt really disgusting.. it is really painful to see them continue hurting animals.. i guess they should just stop this doings.. i really wonder sometimes in their next life they should be born as an animal and feel the pain!!
bless them.

[KendoTiger]

They should definitely KILL the animal before doing anything like that ~ to spare the enormous pain they must be feeling.

The people, despite being so cruel, I can kind of understand what they are doing. I mean, they probably started it to feed their families, etc ~ and after a while, you get desensitized to it. Like for biology, we disected cats (they were killed humainly first) ~ at first, you are really grossed out and feel sorry for the cat, but then you get sort of used to it. I think the main problem with these people is that they go about it in such a cruel way ~

By the way ~ the white stuff you see is called connective tissue, and doesn't carry nerve impulses through to the muscles. Therefore, the animal would feel two sets of pain ~ one would be removed from the body and would be from the nerves connecting the skin to the spine, and the second would be a dull throbbing from the muscles. So the pain wouldn't exactly be like you would feel from a cut, but it would be just as terrible.

I honestly believe that testing on animals should be only used in cases of medicine for humans. It's disgusting if its for cosmetic or other reasons, but if it can save someone's life ~

I keep thinking about what my friend said about purpose in life ~

Just because I hate what I saw, I'm not becoming a vegetarian. With scarlet willow for this one ~